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Yes, I'm Talking To You
2008-05-13 12:42
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

When I see someone using two hands to operate a hands-free cellphone device, I feel like we as a society have taken a step backward.

* * *

Dodgers at Brewers, 5:05 p.m.

Comments (877)
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2008-05-13 13:10:34
1.   Eric Enders
When I see someone using a cell phone, I feel like we as a society have taken a step backward.
2008-05-13 13:11:23
2.   MollyKnight
Because we need to turn that frown upside down, allow me to get the positivity train rolling:

At least we didn't give Eric Gagne $10M this year.

2008-05-13 13:13:10
3.   silverwidow
I wonder who, in Logan White's opinion, should be the Dodgers 3rd baseman long- term. They're both "his guys", so to speak.
2008-05-13 13:13:49
4.   Jon Weisman
Who wants to see Eric and raise him?
2008-05-13 13:14:51
5.   KG16
It's funny, we've seen a lot of "The Dodgers are struggling without Furcal in the line up"... but really, does not having the lead off man go 3-4 matter if everyone else is going 3-32? Especially if those three hits are from the 7 and 8 hitter?

This I think, is one of the psychological effects of having a young team, they seem to feed off of each other's success or failure. Either everyone is hitting, or no one is. I would think you would see less of this with a more veteran line up (not that I want one of those for a few years). Or maybe it's just been the fact that we tend to see certain pitchers on their better days.

2008-05-13 13:15:12
6.   underdog
When I see someone, I feel like we as a society have taken a step backward.

How's that?

2008-05-13 13:15:39
7.   Bluebleeder87
bluetooths make you look un-cool. there I said it.

I have to use it or else I'll get a ticket though...

2008-05-13 13:16:26
8.   fanerman
When I see blog posts written by fat dudes who don't know anything about baseball and live in their parents' basements, I feel like we as a society have taken a step backward.
2008-05-13 13:17:09
9.   underdog
But I am fully in support of laws requiring use of hands free devices when driving -- though I'd take it a step further and ban cell phones while driving altogether. But that's just crazy ol' me.

3 Good question. He wouldn't publicly pick one over the other, and is probably rooting for them both to make it in one way or the other. But I wonder if internally he has stated a preference, or at least wonder if he has one.

2008-05-13 13:19:47
10.   ToyCannon
Whenever I see Dodger fans booing Shawn Green and Mike Piazza, I feel like we as Dodger fans have taken a step backward.
2008-05-13 13:20:00
11.   Eric Stephen
Also in one of the boxcars of the positivity train:

1) Shawn Green hit 4 HR in Milwaukee in 2002
2) The Dodgers capped their 12-2 start in 2005, in Milwaukee
3) Beer and Sausages and Cheese are all associated with Milwaukee. Hopefully the relatively unclogged arteries of the Dodgers will outlast the chest-clutching Brewers over the next 3 days.

2008-05-13 13:20:24
12.   Johnson
4 Wake up, technological dead man! I said, WAKE UP, TECHNOLOGICAL DEAD MAN!

Hmm...didn't work.

2008-05-13 13:20:25
13.   regfairfield
8 I'm glad that True Blue LA is still advancing society.
2008-05-13 13:20:49
14.   blue22
5 - But does that explain DeWitt hitting .444, Loney hitting .389, and Ethier hitting .333 in the last week, while Kent's gone 0-for-14 and Pierre 2-for-18?

Furcal's out and Kent, Pierre, Martin, and Kemp have all hit the skids. Young and old, slumping and struggling together.

I think it's also a by-product of having a team offense so dependent on singles and batting average. A few well-timed slumps and the whole offense grinds to a halt.

2008-05-13 13:20:54
15.   ToyCannon
If kids couldn't text how would they communicate?
2008-05-13 13:21:29
16.   kylepetterson
0 When I see someone using an older hands-free ear bud and mic combo and holding the mic up to their mouth, I feel like I want to punch that person in the face.
2008-05-13 13:23:48
17.   LoneStar7
356 previous thread
wouldn't that be very risky, if you did do that you'd have to have a chan-ho or Duiza type player in the bullpen that could make spot starts if such things as inclement weather arise..
2008-05-13 13:25:34
18.   bryanf
When I see people at baseball games with beachballs/doing the wave/not paying attention to the game, I feel like we as a society have taken a step backward.
2008-05-13 13:27:26
19.   silverwidow
Ogden starts its season June 17. Looking forward to following Chris Withrow, he of the 98 MPH fastball.
2008-05-13 13:27:39
20.   old dodger fan
While driving for an 8th grade field trip recently there were 2 girls in the back seat texting each other. Man, did I feel old. I remember when people used to talk to each other.
2008-05-13 13:28:34
21.   ToyCannon
16
Don't sit next to me at the next Dodger Thoughts game, sometimes old habits die hard for those of us with overloaded nerve endings.

I'm always amazed at what bothers people that have nothing to do with them.

2008-05-13 13:29:19
22.   blue22
Does LA regularly skip their 5th starter when off-days allow it? Or do they have their #5 guy take the ball on his regular turn?

It seems like you could effectively get a 4-man rotation going by routinely skipping the 5th guy, and only using them when consecutive days with a game demand it.

Just glancing at the schedule, Penny is about to make his 9th start tonight while Kuo/Loaiza have made 6, so maybe they do this already.

2008-05-13 13:29:51
23.   Gilberto Reyes
When I see people in the Dugout Box seats directly behind home plate, talking on their cell phones, and waving to the camera on every pitch, I feel like we as a society have taken a step backward.
2008-05-13 13:30:12
24.   silverwidow
I just noticed that DT and True Blue LA are both linked at Tony Jackson's blog.
2008-05-13 13:30:17
25.   ToyCannon
20
You were probably better off not knowing what the 8th grade girls were texting.
2008-05-13 13:33:25
26.   Eric Enders
I just noticed that Milton Bradley is leading the AL in EQA. Wow.
2008-05-13 13:34:53
27.   MollyKnight
When I see Ian Ziering sitting behind home plate but left of center, I think we as a society have taken a step backward.
2008-05-13 13:35:59
28.   larry slimfast
speaking of "rule one" in society...

http://tinyurl.com/2wr4b3

2008-05-13 13:36:20
29.   StolenMonkey86
The key to enjoying life is to laugh at, rather than mourn, public displays of stupidity that do you no harm.

I take no responsibility, nor do I participate in such things, so I don't see any reason why this affects us as a society. I will say that working in a customer service position, it's very strange when a customer is talking to someone on the phone while trying to work with you at the same time.

2008-05-13 13:37:17
30.   Eric Enders
Gilberto Reyes just hit on my biggest baseball pet peeve. When they put me in charge of baseball, Rule #1 will be that people talking and waving on their cell phones behind home plate will be shot on sight. Not asked politely to stop. Not given a stern talking-to. Not ejected. Shot. On. Sight.
2008-05-13 13:38:19
31.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
When I see an organization dish out $45 million for a slap-hitting LF with no arm and $36 million for a CF who has hit 1 HR and 5 RBI through 37 games, I think we as a society have taken a step backward.
2008-05-13 13:41:11
32.   Gilberto Reyes
31 I was wondering how long that one was going to take.
2008-05-13 13:41:27
33.   PDH5204
31 Agreed. And when I hear someone speak of doing a "due diligence" that can't be done with respect to a shoulder injury...
2008-05-13 13:42:50
34.   fracule
When I see a blog about baseball, transcend baseball, and create conversation about life, the universe, and everything. I feel that we as a society have taken a step.
2008-05-13 13:44:25
35.   Eric Stephen
30
I think that is why 24 is so popular. The world needs Jack Bauer in these situations. And not the end of season 6 emasculated weepy Bauer, either. I want for a Jack Bauer type to come across a cell phone hand waving behind home plate seat having person, then exclaim to no one in particular, "I'm gonna need a hacksaw".
2008-05-13 13:45:33
36.   Bob Timmermann
When people call the library to specifically ask for a phone number and then once you have it, the person does not have anything to write it down with, then society has collapsed and we should all start looking up recipes for Soylent Green.
2008-05-13 13:46:40
37.   fracule
36 Do you really need a recipe? Where's your sense of adventure in the kitchen?
2008-05-13 13:46:48
38.   PDH5204
36 You shouldn't have said that, since now we'll all be calling... Is Mr. Timmermann there...thank you, I'll hold...
2008-05-13 13:47:19
39.   silverwidow
Pierre, LF
Ethier, RF
Kemp, CF
Kent, 2B
Loney, 1B
Martin, C
DeWitt, 3B
Hu, SS
Penny, P

NO ANDRUW! VICTORY!

2008-05-13 13:47:32
40.   old dodger fan
36 Nobody writes phone numbers down, they put them into their cell phone address book or their PDA.
2008-05-13 13:47:51
41.   Gilberto Reyes
30 Other stadium pet peeves besides the cell phone waive include the human wave, beachballs, 4th inning arrivals, seat confusion, standing in the rows & aisles, and cheering because the messageboard is telling you to.
2008-05-13 13:48:10
42.   Eric Stephen
36
There are few things worse than that, I agree. It's like the person on the other end didn't expect you to come up with the answer to their question so quickly. And sometimes the abruptness of "Hold on, let me get a pen" makes me want to break many laws and cause great bodily harm to said person.
2008-05-13 13:49:22
43.   Eric Stephen
39
PIERRE! Hollow victory.
2008-05-13 13:49:42
44.   old dodger fan
39 I'm with Torre on sticking with Andruw for awhile. I would much rather see Ethier, Jones and Kemp though.
2008-05-13 13:51:57
45.   Bulldog1988
I would like to add my two cents and say that people at large venue sporting events drive me nuts when they are on the cell phone with a friend who is also there saying, "I'm here see me waving" and then proceed to wave, jump and make a fool of themselves because that other person has no clue where to look and is doing the exact same thing. It just never works well for either party.
2008-05-13 13:52:21
46.   Humma Kavula
When I take a step backwards, I feel society use two hands to operate a hands-free cellphone device.
2008-05-13 13:52:26
47.   underdog
39 - Hooray! I'd still rather have Andruw in there than Pierre, but I guess it's good they're sitting him. And Ethier! Victory!

Now a real victory would be even sweeter.

Hope that good Penny shows up, not bad Penny.

2008-05-13 13:54:00
48.   Ken Noe
Given the realistic possibilities, I'm just fine with that lineup, except Kent at cleanup?
2008-05-13 13:54:05
49.   tjdub
I'll admit, I don't even know my wife's cell phone number. If someone else asks for it I have to look it up in my contacts list.
2008-05-13 13:54:44
50.   MC Safety
When I see a comment with the words Blake DeWitt, our 3rd baseman of the future, ops+ 1 something something, The Solution, his job to lose, etc., I think we as a society have taken a step backward.
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2008-05-13 13:55:28
51.   Eric Enders
When Juan Pierre batting leadoff constitutes "victory," I think we as a society have taken a step backward.
2008-05-13 13:55:37
52.   underdog
41 So basically, everything at Dodger Stadium, then. How do you feel about incessant booing?
2008-05-13 13:56:08
53.   Humma Kavula
41 4th inning arrivals, seat confusion

A comment on these two.

I never used to arrive late or leave early. Since Spawn of Kavula came on the scene, she has made the rules. Now we arrive late and leave early.

WRT seat "confusion"... well, I'm not confused, but my seats are sometimes in the sun. We often sit a few rows back, in the shade. If someone comes claiming those seats, we vacate them quickly. Often, no one comes. Why not take advantage of the empty, shaded seats?

2008-05-13 13:57:06
54.   Ken Noe
45 True story: young woman sits down behind me at an Auburn football game, promptly calls her friend sitting across the field, waves her arms mightily, and squeals "I'm wearing orange." Yeah, you and 87,450 other people.
2008-05-13 13:57:21
55.   Jon Weisman
My original post was intended with a lighthearted tone that I realize may not have come through.
2008-05-13 13:58:24
56.   Physics DR
When I was younger I never had to use two hands
2008-05-13 13:58:33
57.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
0 What are the two hands doing to operated a hands-free cell phone? One hand "holding" the ear-piece, and the other holding the phone?

When holding a cell-phone while driving becomes illegal in California in less than two months, I predict a lot of policemen will get bored of pulling over drivers, ticketing them, explaining the law, dealing with the "I didn't know that!"... and then begin seeing the next several years as a repetition of the above procedure until they have pulled over every single driver in the state and personally told them about the "new" law.

2008-05-13 13:59:20
58.   Eric Stephen
When Michael Jackson unleashed the moonwalk on the 1980s, he took several steps backwards.
2008-05-13 13:59:54
59.   MC Safety
55 If that was directed at me, I was totally joking.
2008-05-13 14:00:06
60.   Eric Enders
I don't have anything against 4th inning arrivals or people who are confused about their seats. The former may work long hours and the latter may be visiting the stadium for the first time. I'd be more inclined to welcome them than complain about them. (Unless they start talking into their phone and waving at a camera.)
2008-05-13 14:00:45
61.   old dodger fan
The really great thing about Bluetooth is I can talk to myself and no one thinks I'm crazy.
2008-05-13 14:00:53
62.   Eric Enders
I echo 59 ...
2008-05-13 14:01:42
63.   blue22
People standing in the aisles with no regard as to the people's whose view he is blocking. And then he just kinda continues to stand there, and you're like "what the heck are you waiting for, you're not talking to anyone, you're not looking at anyone, you're just kinda zoning out there Sparky, where's a rogue foulball when you need one?"

That bugs me, even when it's not my view they're blocking.

Does Dodger Stadium still allow you to walk down the aisle in the middle of an at bat?

2008-05-13 14:02:42
64.   Humma Kavula
+1 to 59 . For my part, it's clear you were kidding around. I also think that most of the riffs on your original post have been really funny.
2008-05-13 14:02:59
65.   Kevin Lewis
Just a quick heads up before I collapse from exhaustions. Our baby was born Monday, May 12th at 3:42 am. Both Mom and Baby are healthy, and we are loving every minute.

Kev

2008-05-13 14:03:56
66.   Humma Kavula
65 Congratulations! Great news! Boy or girl?
2008-05-13 14:04:37
67.   Kevin Lewis
Boy...

Myles Parker Lewis

8 pounds 2 ounces (my poor wife)

19 1/2 inches

2008-05-13 14:05:04
68.   LoneStar7
When the LA times posts Orange County Angels stories right above LA's team, I feel we as a city have taken a step backwards.
2008-05-13 14:05:17
69.   Kevin Lewis
Now I really will go and collapse
2008-05-13 14:05:21
70.   Eric Stephen
65
The world welcomes another Dodger fan! Congrats.
2008-05-13 14:06:12
71.   SortaLaSorda
Does Andruw Jones have a cell phone? Could we text him some hitting tips? If he reached for the phone to answer it, would he miss?
2008-05-13 14:06:37
72.   Physics DR
65 Just remember: Babies are never exhausted, moms are. You are third.

Congratulations

2008-05-13 14:07:03
73.   Jon Weisman
59 - It wasn't directed at anyone in particular.
2008-05-13 14:08:31
74.   Jon Weisman
67 - Vin Scully would make a "Myles to go before you sleep" joke. Congrats!
2008-05-13 14:14:07
75.   MC Safety
73 Ok, good. It was getting fun, I didn't want to be the one who killed it.
2008-05-13 14:16:36
76.   Bob Timmermann
67
That kid will never lose.
2008-05-13 14:16:54
77.   StolenMonkey86
65, 67 - Congratulations!
2008-05-13 14:18:31
78.   ToyCannon
67
Congrats

50
So is this two steps backwards?
http://tinyurl.com/5aq2hc

2008-05-13 14:18:37
79.   kinbote
Is it really possible Andruw Jones has passed Juan Pierre on the least-want-to-see-in-the-lineup list?

We've come a long way, baby.

2008-05-13 14:20:06
80.   Disabled List
67 Myles Parker Lewis

I like that TV show too, but don't you think that's going a bit too far?

Congrats though.

2008-05-13 14:20:57
81.   68elcamino427
67
Congratulations! The lovefest is on!
2008-05-13 14:21:11
82.   Xeifrank
Dodger Win Probabilities:

Simulator: 47.13%
LV Hilton: 52.38%
AccuScore: 53.80%

vr, Xei

2008-05-13 14:22:52
83.   68elcamino427
79
Is that a sign ...
2008-05-13 14:25:11
84.   Eric Stephen
79
Is it really possible Andruw Jones has passed Juan Pierre on the least-want-to-see-in-the-lineup list?

Not according to the recent DT gallup poll. 29 of 44 voters (66%) preferred Andruw in the OF, as opposed to 8 of 44 (18%) for Pierre.

2008-05-13 14:25:59
85.   MC Safety
78 Is that a Frank Zappa reference at the end of the first paragraph?
2008-05-13 14:28:11
86.   Dodger Dawg
Andruw had said after he signed, that he'd like to finish his career as a Dodger. Be careful what you wish for Andruw!
2008-05-13 14:28:41
87.   GoBears
I went to the game on Friday (if I get around to it later, I'll post about the Sweet Lou talk before the game). About 3 rows in front of us was a group of 20-somethings (maybe 6 of them) who could not manage to sit in their seats for more than one AB at a time. They were up constantly - sometimes going for food or beer, but mostly just standing there talking to each other, mugging for cell-phone camera shots, and generally being oblivious. Two of the girls, I'm pretty sure, did not look at the field even once the entire game. EVERYONE back to the row behind us was hollering at them (first nicely, then less and less so) to please sit down so that the rest of us could, you know, watch the game. It was as if they didn't hear us. Never an acknowledgment. Never did they sit down in response to their neighbors. It was really unbelievable. By the 5th inning or so, it wasn't even annoying any more - just fascinating to watch such unabashed selfishness. After the 7th, they just up and left. I have no idea why they chose Dodger Stadium as the venue for their evening.

Especially while Vinnie is working the mic - if you really want to WATCH a Dodger game, you're much better off at home in front of the TV.

I could see the scoreboard, and I guess it didn't matter that much that I couldn't see the game - that probably would have annoyed me even more.

2008-05-13 14:29:00
88.   68elcamino427
84
Ok, given the choice of only one of these three players to play left field for the Dodgers over the next 14 games:

Young

Pierre

Jones

???

2008-05-13 14:29:40
89.   Jacob L
79 , 84 Using best anguished Sean Penn voice from "Falcon and the Snowman." --

I don't know who to trust any more! I don't know who my friends are!

2008-05-13 14:31:24
90.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
Maybe Andruw needs to go see the same sports shrink who was helping Hendrickson a few years back. Its all in his head!
2008-05-13 14:31:49
91.   silverwidow
88 I pick LaRoche.
2008-05-13 14:32:21
92.   Eric Stephen
88
Jones (in CF, with Ethier in LF)
2008-05-13 14:33:05
93.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
90 Not that Hendrickson lit the baseball world on fire after his sessions, but still.
2008-05-13 14:33:24
94.   Eric Stephen
88
Just curious, why did you choose the 14 game period?
2008-05-13 14:33:26
95.   tjdub
86 It seems increasingly clear that he already finished his career as a Brave.
2008-05-13 14:33:36
96.   bhsportsguy
Laker cleared to start basketball activites

It is not Bynum but Trevor Ariza.

Probably not going to be used in this series but if the Lakers get pass Utah, he could be part of the rotation by the next series.

2008-05-13 14:33:58
97.   Eric Enders
88 Pee Wee.
2008-05-13 14:34:43
98.   Jacob L
87 That reminds me of the various times when people near me have talked their way through entire concerts. It happens a lot at the Hollywood Bowl, and its fairly understandable. Tickets are cheap. Its more of an outing than strictly a concert.

My level of irritation rises in relation to the ticket prices. I paid a pretty good amount of money to see (and hear) Willie Nelson at the Greek, and when I asked the people behind us to please be quiet so we could listen to the music, they acted all put out. They shut up for 5 minutes at the most, then kept on a'gabbin. These kids today.

2008-05-13 14:34:44
99.   fanerman
Congrats!
2008-05-13 14:35:25
100.   Eric Stephen
96
I'm not sure how the NBA rules are, but aren't the rosters set for each round of the playoffs? So in other words, Ariza would have to be active already to be eligible against Utah. I'm not sure if he was activated or not.
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2008-05-13 14:35:35
101.   GoBears
On the cell phone thing - I remember reading a study from Japan about hands-free devices a few years ago. The conclusion was that they don't matter. Hands-free or hand-held, it's the conversation that distracts the driver, not the technology. On its face, it seems a little odd that there'd be no difference, but there it was.

On a cognitive level, I guess it's plausible. After all, how many of us have cut off a conversation with a passenger, or perhaps turned off the radio, upon hitting heavy traffic, or seeing a cop, or running into bad weather? On the phone, your interlocutor can't see what's happening and know to shut up. And for several reasons, the driver has to concentrate more on a phone conversation than they would on an in-person conversation.

2008-05-13 14:36:40
102.   bhsportsguy
100 Nope its a game by game like the regular season. Just have to decide which of the 12 are eligible that day.
2008-05-13 14:36:44
103.   dianagramr
When I see someone using a Bluetooth device, I believe we have taken one step towards being assimilated by the Borg.
2008-05-13 14:37:01
104.   KG16
80 - beat me to the joke...

14 - I'm not sure, wasn't looking at any stats, just sort of a visceral observation, if you will. I find it hard to believe that removing any hitter from any line up for 15 games will cause the entire team to lose it's stroke. That was more my point. What the number one hitter does (or doesn't do) should not really affect the 6-7-8 hitters (unless they happen to be on base when the lead off man is hitting into a double play, but that has more to do with runs scored than getting on base in the first place).

2008-05-13 14:38:33
105.   bhsportsguy
104 I think the issue with Furcal is that the replacement has such a big drop off plus his absence necessitates other moves like Pierre batting leadoff.
2008-05-13 14:39:27
106.   68elcamino427
94
That should give Young 40-50 at bats to see what he can do without looking over his shoulder. He looks like a great hitter.
2008-05-13 14:40:45
107.   dianagramr
Is Ethier too tall to play 3rd?

(yes yes I know he's never played the position)

2008-05-13 14:41:30
108.   kinbote
84 Way to use data to support an argument. That's just not fair! ;) Actually, that fits in with one of Jon's recurrent themes on this blog: perception vs. reality. The perception is that Jones is the more vilified, but in reality, we still hate us some Pierre.
2008-05-13 14:41:36
109.   KG16
103 - resistance is futile.
2008-05-13 14:41:48
110.   Zak
When people go to baseball games and expect everyone there to behave as they would, then I feel that society has taken a step back.

A lot of comments here are people trying to be funny, but some of the whining about people's behavior and actions at a baseball outing is really in poor taste.

2008-05-13 14:41:57
111.   D4P
Ethier's too left-handed to play 3rd.
2008-05-13 14:43:02
112.   Gilberto Reyes
55 I picked up the lightharded tone, but I did enjoy the comedic riffs on your original post. You have to rememember that we are all suffering during this 4 game losing streak and need an outlet.

52 I am against booing of the home team players, but I can understand people's frustrations. Booing of ex-Dodgers like Piazza and Green never makes sense to me either.

2008-05-13 14:44:34
113.   Bob Timmermann
Booing Mike Piazza would be akin to booing a Cherokee Indian visiting Georgia.
2008-05-13 14:45:32
114.   cargill06
111 that never stopped don mattingley

whenever i see a LH 3b in my softball games, it just looks so funny and not right even if they're good at it.

2008-05-13 14:45:57
115.   KG16
105 - but what is the actual drop off in a single game? you go from a guy who goes 2-5 (a near .400 hitter has Furcal has been) to a guy who goes 1-4 (a .250 hitter, as one would expect from an average shortstop). So you lose one hit in a game?

Granted, there are other things that change. Maybe Furcal takes more pitches, thus allowing his team mates to see what the pitcher has that day. By getting on base one extra time, that means the pitcher has to work more from the stretch, thereby taking something off his stuff. The defense has to shift, thereby allowing something that would have been a ground ball out to become a base hit. But then what about the innings in which Furcal's spot isn't up?

All that said, I will agree that the biggest problem is that this means Pierre gets more playing time.

2008-05-13 14:48:07
116.   Humma Kavula
109 I almost typed that, and then I remembered my personal vendetta against that phrase because of the way the Borg pronounced the last word.

I mean, really. "Few-tie-ull?" What's wrong with "few-tle?" It's just the Borg's efforts to make themselves grander by adding an unnecessary syllable.

Don't help the Borg, people.

2008-05-13 14:48:14
117.   fanerman
113
The white man's greed, in search of gold
Made the nation bleed
They lost their faith
And now they hade to learn
There was no place to return
Nowhere they could turn.

Cherokee - marching on the trail of tears.

2008-05-13 14:50:04
118.   dianagramr
115

Jones has been seeing 4.42 pitches per PA this year, by far the highest in his career (3.96 last year was previous high).

2008-05-13 14:50:49
119.   Bob Timmermann
Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of Paul Revere & The Raiders.
They took the whole Cherokee nation
And put us on this reservation
They took away our ways of life
The tomahawk and the bow and knife

They took away our native tongue
And taught their English to our young
And all the beads we made by hand
Are nowadays made in Japan

That was one of the first songs I remember hearing on the radio as a kid. It came out when I was five.

2008-05-13 14:52:05
120.   blue22
115 - Sure, losing Furcal hurts both in his missing offensive contribution but also the "necessary" additions of Hu and Pierre. But, to my response to your post earlier, I think it's just a lot of guys slumping at the same time (veterans and young'ns alike). And since this team needs to hit a lot of singles to be an effective offense, you'll hit dry spells like this from time to time.
2008-05-13 14:52:19
121.   Bob Timmermann
Old enemy Fernando Tatis is back in the majors with the Mets.
2008-05-13 14:52:20
122.   regfairfield
If you assume that Furcal and Hu continue play exactly as they have this year Furcal is worth about .85 runs a game more on offense.

If you use their projected numbers, it's .04 runs in Furcal's favor.

2008-05-13 14:54:04
123.   Bob Timmermann
Tony Jackson has admitted that "Love, Actually" is one of his favorite movies.
2008-05-13 14:57:47
124.   dianagramr
121

hmmm ..... should Wright be concerned?

2008-05-13 14:58:17
125.   trainwreck
123
I think Tony Jackson really hates traveling and pretty much everything.
2008-05-13 14:59:22
126.   Eric Enders
He doesn't hate sleeping in the dugout.
2008-05-13 14:59:26
127.   KG16
I only remember one inning of Tatis' career, and yet, that is more than enough for me to spit everytime I say his name.
2008-05-13 14:59:59
128.   trainwreck
Tony Jackson=D4P
2008-05-13 15:01:06
129.   fanerman
119 One of the only CD's my roommate and I can agree on when driving to places is Europe - The Final Countdown (album). So I've heard their "Cherokee" song far too many times. I will listen to this new song when I get the chance.
2008-05-13 15:05:54
130.   Eric Stephen
There was a pretty funny instance of a modified Rule 13 on Saturday Night Live this past weekend.
2008-05-13 15:07:00
131.   ToyCannon
At one time Rob Neyer picked Tatis as his 3rd baseman for the first decade of the 21st century. He really did seem like a player who was going to have quite a career.
He and Ben Grieve can have a few beers and talk about what it was like to be a star at 22 and an after thought at 25.
2008-05-13 15:11:14
132.   GoBears
110. Zak
When people go to baseball games and expect everyone there to behave as they would, then I feel that society has taken a step back.

A lot of comments here are people trying to be funny, but some of the whining about people's behavior and actions at a baseball outing is really in poor taste.

See, when I was a kid, there was this thing called "The Golden Rule," which said that you should only do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Now, to wish that others would at least TRY to follow that rule too is apparently "in poor taste."

Of course I don't expect others to be as well-behaved (and socially aware) as I try to be (in the sense of predicting that they will be). But I don't see why I'm a bad guy for bemoaning selfish behavior in others, no matter now predictable.

2008-05-13 15:14:58
133.   scareduck
119 - that's so weird because I can remember the lyrics but not the song.
2008-05-13 15:19:46
134.   PDH5204
Aniyunwiya, and not Cherokee.

Sioux, the English bastardization of Nadouessioux, the French bastardization of the Ojibwe, Nadowisiwug ["little snakes"]

Iroquois, the Ojibwe, Nadowebog ["big snakes"]

2008-05-13 15:26:55
135.   ToyCannon
132
Our usher in the cheap seats would have taken care of the situation. I'm surprised your usher did not handle it. They allow alot of things at DS but standing and blocking fans views is not one of them.
2008-05-13 15:27:20
136.   underdog
Not sure how or why I still trust Tony Jackson with anything following his terrifying Love Actually decree, but anyway, here's his latest on Nomar, to be filed under Don't Expect a Lot of Nomar This Season:

>>He ran a little bit in the outfield during the early workout today, but the left calf still isn't ready for live game action. ``I felt like I could push it more, so that was good,'' he said. ``I was able to run harder. But at the same time, I couldn't do as much as I wanted to do. There was some tightness and some soreness there, so I had to back off. I did push it to the ceiling, but I still need some time. There is no need to go backward.'' Nomar said he will try some baseball activity -- in layman's terms, that means taking ground balls and possibly batting practice -- tomorrow.<<

2008-05-13 15:29:03
137.   nofatmike
1 "When I see someone using a cell phone, I feel like we as a society have taken a step backward."

When I see someone complain about people using cell phones, I get an image of an old man yelling at a bunch of kids to keep their skateboards off the sidewalk.

2008-05-13 15:29:30
138.   Zak
132 I was never picking on anyone in particular. I am actually a big believer in Do Unto Others... however, I am not big on wishing that everyone should follow my rule and vice versa. Anyway, I did not direct my comment at you at all. Like I said, some of the stuff was just said to be funny, but my wife and kids go to games and sometimes vie to be on camera and are super excited when on camera, and I think it's poor taste that some people think they should be Shot on Sight (even in jest) for where they sit and how they act.
2008-05-13 15:31:21
139.   Jon Weisman
I liked "Love, Actually."
2008-05-13 15:31:41
140.   Eric Enders
137 I don't own the sidewalk. But they'd better keep them off my lawn!
2008-05-13 15:32:32
141.   Eric Stephen
Here is the Milwaukee lineup this evening:

2B Rickie Weeks
CF Mike Cameron
LF Ryan Braun
1B Prince Fielder
RF Corey Hart
3B Bill Hall
SS JJ Hardy
P Carlos Villanueva
C Jason Kendall

Ryan Braun has a Choiish four solo homers in his last two games.

2008-05-13 15:33:05
142.   GoBears
132. I wish. I didn't see an usher anywhere near our section the whole game, except at the top of the stairs before the game to direct people to their seats. We were in the Reserved Level, Sec. 20.

About the only people I forgive for blocking my view during an at bat are parents with babies who need to leave their seats for maintenance purposes. And even then, they need to move quickly, not stop and take pictures and indulge in unrelenting group hugs.

2008-05-13 15:33:15
143.   Sammy Maudlin
87 Sorry dude! We didn't know what to do after the usher took our beachball.
2008-05-13 15:33:36
144.   Bulldog1988
I will admit that when I attend games I act goofy to try and get on Dodger Vision at the stadium, that is fun. Especially for kids to see themselves that is a good time. However, my better half would be mortified if I did ever make it up on Dodger Vision because that would mean I did something very out there to get attention. And I have been known to do some pretty um. . .interesting things to get something at sporting events. I can be counted on to scream the loudest when something is on the line.
2008-05-13 15:34:59
145.   underdog
139 Would you call it one of your all-time favorite films, though? (I didn't mind the film at all, I just, you know, could survive without seeing it again...)
2008-05-13 15:36:39
146.   fanerman
So what is the current list of TJax's likes and dislikes?
2008-05-13 15:36:41
147.   KingKopitar
101 Yeah, that whole cell phone thing is going to really bother because I can drive just fine when I am talking on the phone. Why? Because I drive safely all the time. The people who can't drive safely with a phone in their hand are the people who can't drive safely.
2008-05-13 15:39:27
148.   Bob Timmermann
I'm just wondering about a person who has a top 10 films list of all time that includes BOTH "Love, Actually" and "Varsity Blues."
2008-05-13 15:43:04
149.   still bevens
146
likes: movies
hates: elevators
2008-05-13 15:45:46
150.   GoBears
138 That stuff is different. The mugging for the camera stuff takes place between innings. They don't show crowd shots on the jumbotron while the game is in progress. I have no problem with people goofing around between innings.

What irks me (more and more as I get older) is when people show absolutely no concern for how their behavior affects others. Sometimes, they're consciously telling those around them to "just deal with it," but most of the time, it's mere obliviousness.

These folks that I was "whining" about, however, could not have been unaware, since 20-30 people were trying to make them aware. Even if they didn't speak English (which they did, loudly), they'd have known that their neighbors were being hugely inconvenienced. I feel vindicated by the fact that the strangers around me, all younger than I am, including a group of college kids, were even more annoyed than I was.

People make mistakes. An "oops, I'm sorry" and quick sit-down would have been absolutely OK with everyone. What we got was 7 innings of, essentially, a middle finger in our faces.

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2008-05-13 15:45:54
151.   Bob Timmermann
The Kamenetzky brothers hate the Dodger Stadium elevators also.
2008-05-13 15:47:10
152.   Jon Weisman
145 - No, but I tend to rewatch parts of it if I see it on cable.
2008-05-13 15:48:15
153.   MC Safety
146

Dislikes-The new lights, elevators, Chad Billingsley, and Andre Ethier.

Likes-The Crow (kidding),Varsity Blues, Love, Actually, floral print Hawaiian style shirts.

That's all I've got so far.

2008-05-13 15:50:21
154.   fanerman
Wasn't there some artist/song that also received some discussion?
2008-05-13 15:50:31
155.   Bob Timmermann
152
"Love, Actually" is showing on one of the HBO channels at all times. One day Laura Linney's character will find true love.
2008-05-13 15:51:18
156.   ImprobableImpossible
154
Journey
2008-05-13 15:52:03
157.   underdog
153 Don't forget Juan Pierre and 70s/80s hard rock in the Likes column.
2008-05-13 15:54:15
158.   regfairfield
Has there ever been a movie about the guy whose life gets ruined by Hugh Grant in these romantic comedies? Seems like it would be good.
2008-05-13 15:54:16
159.   Eric Enders
I think Tony Jackson has lightened up on Billingsley this year. Even when Chad has been getting lit up, there has been relatively little carping.

Even more remarkable, Ken Gurnick wrote a Q&A yesterday which mentioned Andy LaRoche without saying anything derogatory.

2008-05-13 15:54:44
160.   bhsportsguy
155 Her character in Love Actually and Mrs. Adams could not be more different. Mrs. Adams would never let anyone treat her like that.
2008-05-13 15:55:21
161.   bhsportsguy
159 Of course Terry Tiffee got more ink than Andy.
2008-05-13 15:56:01
162.   Marty
Actually, I've never seen Love, Actually. Actually.
2008-05-13 15:56:17
163.   Marty
Oh, and Congratulations Kevin?
2008-05-13 15:56:33
164.   Eric Enders
I saw it and remember very little of it, which tells you how much of an impression it made.
2008-05-13 15:56:52
165.   Marty
I have no idea how that question mark got in there.
2008-05-13 15:57:20
166.   bhsportsguy
Yes, congrats Kevin, though your child's name brings the song "Hip to be Square" to mind.
2008-05-13 15:58:22
167.   Marty
As to the topic at hand, I try at all times to not be annoyed at other people's behavior. It doesn't always work, but I'm a big believer in choosing the right battles.
2008-05-13 15:58:52
168.   Bob Timmermann
In "Love, Actually" Hugh Grant doesn't take a woman away from another guy.
2008-05-13 15:59:41
169.   regfairfield
168 I suppose there's a first time for everything.
2008-05-13 16:01:34
170.   Andrew Shimmin
One of the necessary preconditions to my ever getting a dog now exists (thought it's probably too expensive, yet). The other one (not coincidentally, it's an automated approach to the other reason people walk dogs) remains outstanding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRi0m329iL4&

2008-05-13 16:02:52
171.   Zak
150 I agree with most of what you said, and again my comment was not directed at you. I just think some comments here were in poor taste and, in my opinion, a little offensive. Anyway, this Tony Jackson love/hate discussion is definitely livelier, and like Bob, I am also deeply vested in Laura Linney finding true love. It would be double cool if she found it with Keira Knightly.
2008-05-13 16:03:27
172.   ImprobableImpossible
My first date with my now-wife actually included a showing of "Love, Actually."

Hurray, chick flicks!

2008-05-13 16:04:52
173.   Gilberto Reyes
Today's game can't come soon enough! We have resorted to talking about Hugh Grant chick flicks that Tony Jackson loves.
2008-05-13 16:05:40
174.   bhsportsguy
171 Family site reminder.
2008-05-13 16:07:48
175.   Ken Noe
Rotoworld reports Abreu to the 60 day DL. Don't think I saw that posted earlier.
2008-05-13 16:08:05
176.   underdog
171 "I am also deeply vested in Laura Linney finding true love. It would be double cool if she found it with Keira Knightly."

Or me!

Er, wait, I have a g/f. Well, I'm sure she'd understand.

Btw, speaking of "chick-flicks", I watched Cranford on DVD this week (it's been airing on PBS, too) - comes out to DVD officially next week - and it was great. I usually enjoy Jane Austen films but little else set in that period, but this one is a good "date rental." (Except it's long. It'll be a long multi-part date, then.)

Go Dodgers!

2008-05-13 16:08:36
177.   underdog
Oops, and here I am reposting it, too.
2008-05-13 16:11:30
178.   bhsportsguy
176 Probably a little quick on that take. (me)
2008-05-13 16:12:29
179.   MC Safety
157 I realized I messed up by not adding Juan Pierre to the likes, but I had no idea he publicly stated he liked Journey.
2008-05-13 16:13:28
180.   underdog
Oh well, at least the Dodgers didn't sign Journey to a long term contract.
2008-05-13 16:14:50
181.   GMac In The 909
172 They showed that movie at the reunion?
2008-05-13 16:15:25
182.   ImprobableImpossible
179
April 17 entry
"...stop on the way out to listen to some dude absolutely butcher one of the greatest songs of all time (Journey's Don't Stop Believin')..."

Yes, I'm that bored.

2008-05-13 16:15:53
183.   gibsonhobbs88
150 - I think by the third inning I would have gone to an usher and complained vehemently about that group's behavior and taken a couple other witnesses with me that were equally annoyed. There is no excuse for that especially at the prices we are paying for those seats. One thing Petco Park does have over us is that they don't allow people back into their seats until a break in the action occurs, i.e. middle of inning, pitching change, beach ball on field, ect... Unfortunately you can't do anything about people leaving in the middle of an at bat and the Dodger ushers do nothing about stopping people from coming back to their seats until a break occurs. It always seems someone right in front is getting back to their seat blocking my view right when there is a bases loaded 2-2 count coming up and the game on the line.

I feel your pain!!

2008-05-13 16:19:44
184.   MC Safety
182 That's hilarious, thanks. Ouch.
2008-05-13 16:29:21
185.   MC Safety
January Jones is a funny name.

How cool would it be to be named May May.

2008-05-13 16:31:57
186.   still bevens
Steve Perry was in the audience during the 4+1 game. His 'Dont Stop Believin' attitude won the day, my friends.
2008-05-13 16:39:31
187.   Bluebleeder87
Sorry if this was posted already (lineup)

Pierre LF (bat him 8th or 9th even!!)

Ethier RF

Kemp (I'm cool with him batting 3rd actually)

Kent 2b

Loney 1b (is he in a slump or something??)

Martin C (I'd like him batting 2nd)

DeWitt 3b

Hu SS (Finally get to see what the "big deal" is with him)

Penny (bat him 8th & Pierre 9th, yep that's works...)

2008-05-13 16:43:06
188.   underdog
Okay, got an invite to go see "Iron Man" after work so I'll be catching the game in the archives late tonight. Enjoy and good luck to the blue crew over the brew crew!
2008-05-13 16:45:37
189.   El Lay Dave
185 I once knew an April May.

I first date I asked my wife out on was a Springsteen concert at the Sports Arena, 1984. It was still a month away, so I actually took her on a different date before the concert.

2008-05-13 16:45:51
190.   silverwidow
UPDATE: May 17 starter is down to Park or Kuo (D. Leung). It's not going to be Kershaw (sounds like yesterday's performance really hurt his chance).

Personally, I'm relieved. He shouldn't come up until July, IMO.

2008-05-13 16:50:03
191.   Bluebleeder87
I'd like K/Guo go be the starter but if they give the ball to Park I wont be disappointed.
2008-05-13 16:51:45
192.   Jon Weisman
That's Mad Men's January Jones to you, sir.
2008-05-13 16:52:58
193.   Eric Enders
I thought her best work was in Melquiades Estrada.
2008-05-13 16:54:22
194.   MC Safety
189 Nice! I bet you don't know a Harry Harris, though.
2008-05-13 16:57:01
195.   Ranma
At the risk of pulling another one of my Johnny-come-lately stunts, here is an ESPN piece on Yu Darvish, who Jim Caple has dubbed Dice-K 2.0:

Most observers feel he either is already as good as Matsuzaka or soon will be. "I think his numbers in Japan are going to be equally as phenomenal as he continues to move on, barring injury, as Dice-K's were in Japan," Hillman says. "He's got a different type of frame. Dice-K's got a more powerful frame, but Darvish has looser levers and a taller frame with more whip, and I think that gives him an opportunity to have more powerful and more electric secondary pitches as well as a fastball.

http://tinyurl.com/4zpa96

2008-05-13 16:57:54
196.   Bluebleeder87
Some cool stuff on Hu from Wikipedia>>> Chin-Lung Hu (Traditional Chinese: 胡金龍) (born February 2, 1984 in Tainan City, Taiwan) is a Major League Baseball shortstop for Los Angeles Dodgers. Hu is the fifth MLB player and the first MLB infielder from Taiwan. He has the shortest last name for a player in Major League history.

Hu was signed by the Dodgers on January 31, 2003 and began his professional career with the rookie league Ogden Raptors in 2003. He split 2004 between the Columbus Catfish in A ball and the Vero Beach Dodgers in high-A ball. In 2005 he played the whole season at Vero Beach and hit .313 with 23 stolen bases.In 2006, he played for Taiwan in the 2006 World Baseball Classic and then returned to play for the AA Jacksonville Suns. Hu played in the All-Star Futures Game during the All-Star break in both 2006 & 2007. He won the MVP award for his performance in the 2007 game. 1

He was promoted to AAA Las Vegas on July 12, 2007. Hu made his major league debut on September 1, 2007 against the San Diego Padres.In his second MLB at-bat, Hu hit a left-field solo home run on September 11, 2007 against the Padres, becoming the first position player born in Taiwan to hit a home run in MLB. (Hu's teammate, pitcher Hong-Chih Kuo, had become the first Taiwanese-born player to hit a home run in MLB earlier in 2007.) On September 25, Hu hit a two-run homer and became the first Taiwanese-born player to hit two home runs.

2008-05-13 16:58:15
197.   Icaros
I went to the same school as a Mitch Mitchell.
2008-05-13 16:59:07
198.   Eric Enders
196 "He has the shortest last name for a player in Major League history."

Vin can't be happy that his idol has been displaced.

2008-05-13 16:59:45
199.   El Lay Dave
192 Oh, to be the January Man.
2008-05-13 17:00:23
200.   Icaros
He has the shortest last name for a player in Major League history.

I thought that was Dr. K.

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2008-05-13 17:05:55
201.   Dane Bramage
One of my best friends is actually named Ricky Riccardo, no kidding.

In other news, while I'm forever loyal to the Dodgers efforts in tonight's game against the Brew Crew, I'm torn since I work for the their principal owner (under the aegis of his "day job") and it smacks of disloyalty to the man who signs my paychecks to root against his team...

2008-05-13 17:07:42
202.   Bluebleeder87
Collective Mojo we seak (sp?) your powers tonight...
2008-05-13 17:08:36
203.   MC Safety
199 Yeah, she's pretty hot. She kind of looks like Jenna Elfman.
2008-05-13 17:08:37
204.   Marty
I know a Brook Trout.
2008-05-13 17:09:04
205.   D4P
The Brewers have a whopping one player OPSing over .800.

I love that Kendall bats 9th.

2008-05-13 17:09:41
206.   MC Safety
I wonder if anyone has ever known a Daniel Daniels.
2008-05-13 17:10:18
207.   KG16
wow, did Pierre really hit the ball all the way to the wall in centerfield? if so, how was that not at least a triple, did the Brewers not get the note about playing him shallow?
2008-05-13 17:10:26
208.   Dane Bramage
I remember Kal Daniels...
2008-05-13 17:11:23
209.   Bluebleeder87
That swing RIGHT THERE is the swing I love to see, WOW!!
2008-05-13 17:11:43
210.   regfairfield
The Brewers have the problem of everyone of their players is a lefty masher with bad defense. It's kind of sad.
2008-05-13 17:11:46
211.   Bluebleeder87
...from Kemp.
2008-05-13 17:12:11
212.   KG16
so, has everyone been writing in Matt Kemp and Blake DeWitt for the all star ballot?
2008-05-13 17:13:05
213.   Bob Hendley
Whenever society sees me, it takes a step backward.
2008-05-13 17:14:27
214.   Bluebleeder87
it tells you two things A)he's waiting back on the ball really well & B) he's letting the ball get to zone. It was just great to see.
2008-05-13 17:14:36
215.   KG16
huh, the Dodgers with an early lead... that's different.

Also, am I the only one that likes/prefers the new gameday?

2008-05-13 17:14:59
216.   Marty
So, Milwaukee ended the Braun at third experiment. Was that a recent decision?
2008-05-13 17:15:18
217.   ryu
The first two hitters in the Brewers lineup (Weeks and Cameron) have batting averages of .188 and .180.
2008-05-13 17:15:30
218.   regfairfield
216 Beginning of the season.
2008-05-13 17:15:32
219.   fanerman
Yay!
2008-05-13 17:16:24
220.   ToyCannon
Nothing beats first row seats no matter how high the section. Nobody can bother you since your only looking at the game and you don't care what is happening behind you.

I once had the pleasure of seeing a few games in the 1st row of the lodge right above the 1st base dugout. Man those were sweet seats.

2008-05-13 17:16:31
221.   Bluebleeder87
It's sad, I didn't even notice A. Jones wasn't in the lineup. I really hope he gets back on track, seriously.
2008-05-13 17:17:07
222.   LoneStar7
that a way to start it Jeff, so Villanueva is 0-2 against righties and 3-0 against lefties..looks like that stat brought up earlier may be quite relevant..
2008-05-13 17:17:16
223.   KG16
was it wrong of me to want to see Loney foul off 15 pitches with the count full, just so Kent would have to start running with each pitch?
2008-05-13 17:17:40
224.   dzzrtRatt
Even more remarkable, Ken Gurnick wrote a Q&A yesterday which mentioned Andy LaRoche without saying anything derogatory.

Colletti: "Tell Gurnick the LaRoche-bashing is off for now. I'm trying to trade him for a shortstop and I need some good stuff to come up when other GMs Google him. Damn, is Mike Lowell back from that injury already? I wanted to see if I could trick that kid Epstein into giving me back Lugo."

2008-05-13 17:18:46
225.   D4P
The U.S. attorney's office filed 14 counts of perjury and one count of obstruction against Barry Bonds on Tuesday
2008-05-13 17:19:15
226.   ToyCannon
Has this been discussed? This is the 1st I've seen that Paul was put on the inactive list.
Los Angeles Dodgers
Recalled: RHP Yhency Brazoban
Placed on 7-day DL: 1B Jaime Ortiz
Placed on temporarily inactive list: OF Xavier Paul
2008-05-13 17:19:55
227.   Bluebleeder87
a few years back I had the pleasure if watching Kevin Brown warm-up before a game, I could have literally touched him that's how close I was.
2008-05-13 17:21:07
228.   regfairfield
220 First row on the top deck has a lot less leg room.
2008-05-13 17:21:28
229.   CanuckDodger
206 -- The Dodgers have a pitching prospect named Danny Danielson, don'tchaknow?
2008-05-13 17:22:20
230.   D4P
Penny's not throwing very hard...
2008-05-13 17:23:37
231.   El Lay Dave
220 I could have moved down to the first row of IR on Sunday, but it was in the sun, and I didn't want to jinx Kuroda's no-hitter by changing anything. ;)
2008-05-13 17:24:34
232.   Jim Hitchcock
227 Brown would have bitten your hand off.
2008-05-13 17:24:36
233.   Ken Noe
206 Virginia had a longtime congressman named Dan Daniels. In high school I played football against George George. His son, George George III, just walked on at Tech.
2008-05-13 17:25:05
234.   KG16
230 - as long as he's effective, I'm not complaining. Pitching isn't all about throwing hard, and two ground balls and a K is pretty good so far.
2008-05-13 17:26:47
235.   Bluebleeder87
232

probably. I was just in aw though...

2008-05-13 17:27:19
236.   Andrew Shimmin
That looked like it hurt.
2008-05-13 17:28:04
237.   Bluebleeder87
Nice first inning by Penny, you gotta look at the results NOT THE GUN, I'm happy with Penny's first inning.
2008-05-13 17:28:21
238.   Neal Pollack
Oy.
2008-05-13 17:28:31
239.   bhsportsguy
226 Paul played last night.

I believe the inactive list is like the hockey scratch list or in the NBA when you name your 3 inactive players or whatever it takes to get down to 12 players.

2008-05-13 17:29:46
240.   MC Safety
No! Not Hu!
2008-05-13 17:29:56
241.   regfairfield
237 You should look at the process, not the results.
2008-05-13 17:30:13
242.   bhsportsguy
206 I can't believe Bob did not refer to this guy.

http://tinyurl.com/5gks6t

2008-05-13 17:31:07
243.   fanerman
What happened to Hu?
2008-05-13 17:31:09
244.   ToyCannon
Clarify
2008-05-13 17:31:31
245.   D4P
Penny's soft-tossing equated to 10 Met runs in his last outing.
2008-05-13 17:32:05
246.   bhsportsguy
241 You sound like every math teacher I ever had.

Me: Why did I only get a 1/2 point on this question.
Teacher: You did not take all the steps necessary to show why Train A will get to the station before Train B.
Me: But I got the right answer.
Teacher: That's not the point.

2008-05-13 17:32:11
247.   Indiana Jon
206 I know a Daniel Daniels, although he usually goes by Danny Daniels. Why do you ask?
2008-05-13 17:32:16
248.   KG16
241 - the only stat that matters is the final score.
2008-05-13 17:33:17
249.   KG16
245 - pitching is like real estate: location, location, location.
2008-05-13 17:33:22
250.   Andrew Shimmin
Hu fouled one off his ankle. After grounding out, he ran, convincingly to first. But after the out was recorded, he seemed to limp a bit. He's still out there.
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2008-05-13 17:33:38
251.   fanerman
241 For today. Penny throwing slow would be pretty concerning in the future if he kept it up.
2008-05-13 17:34:09
252.   fanerman
251 Oops. That should be for 248 .
2008-05-13 17:35:43
253.   regfairfield
246 Having a good process is more likely to lead to better future results.
2008-05-13 17:36:10
254.   KG16
251 - I don't know about that, if he developed into more of a finesse pitcher, with the ability to occasionally bring down the hammer, would that be a bad thing?

Think Greg Maddux with a Ryan fastball

2008-05-13 17:38:22
255.   Andrew Shimmin
254- If Penny lost his heat, the chances he'd become Greg Maddux are roughly equal to the chances I'd become a fighter pilot if I lost my fear of tightly enclosed places.

Hardly anybody is Greg Maddux.

2008-05-13 17:38:54
256.   KG16
253 - but who is the arbiter of what is a good process and what is not? Might not a good process tonight be a bad process tomorrow, depending on other factors?
2008-05-13 17:39:02
257.   El Lay Dave
246 "But in the new approach, as you know, the important thing is to understand what you're doing, rather than to get the right answer."
- Tom Lehrer, "New Math"
2008-05-13 17:39:28
258.   MC Safety
I underestimated the name Daniel.
2008-05-13 17:39:36
259.   Andrew Shimmin
Strike three to Hall was 95 MPH. Crisis averted.
2008-05-13 17:40:27
260.   El Lay Dave
There's a strikeout when he needed it.
2008-05-13 17:41:20
261.   ToyCannon
E Jackson dealing again against the Yankee's. Is anyone here not hoping for a Tampa Bay sweep or am I the only who even cares?
2008-05-13 17:41:22
262.   El Lay Dave
My parents knew a man named Frank Frank.

I once worked somewhere where this real name came across my desk frequently: Mrs. Olive Pitts.

2008-05-13 17:41:37
263.   KG16
255 - I think you missed my point. I'm not saying he lost his heat, or even that he should. I simply mean to say that I think his overall game would improve if he were able to add some finesse pitching to his power stuff. Hardly anyone is Greg Maddux and hardly anyone is Nolan Ryan, either. But a little from column A and a little from column B could be a good thing.
2008-05-13 17:42:02
264.   Indiana Jon
Hardly anybody is Greg Maddux.

A quick search of Yahoo revealed at least 34 Greg Maddux's across several states, so it is rare but not impossible.

2008-05-13 17:42:17
265.   regfairfield
261 I get money if the Rays win 77 games, so I'm happy.
2008-05-13 17:43:26
266.   D4P
I have a feeling that Milwaukee might be just what the doctor ordered.
2008-05-13 17:44:06
267.   Indiana Jon
261 I hope for the Yankees to get swept in every series they ever play. A Yankee loss to me is the second greatest thing that can happen on any given night of the baseball season.
2008-05-13 17:45:00
268.   Bob Timmermann
If the scores hold up (and it's early), the Rays could be in first place.
2008-05-13 17:45:26
269.   El Lay Dave
265 They need to go 55-69, .444 the rest of the way.
2008-05-13 17:45:34
270.   KG16
the ump's strike zone seems to be a little wide, no?
2008-05-13 17:46:19
271.   regfairfield
269 Believe me, I know. I'm also rather proud of myself for taking the under on the Mariners and the Padres right now.
2008-05-13 17:46:47
272.   Andrew Shimmin
263- Essentially your argument is: it would be good if Penny were better than he is. I agree with this, but I'm not sure it's a useful point.
2008-05-13 17:46:56
273.   KG16
268 - the baseball gods weep at the thought of Tampa Bay-Arizona in the World Series
2008-05-13 17:47:23
274.   Indiana Jon
Hardly anyone is Greg Maddux and hardly anyone is Nolan Ryan, either.

Much to my amazement, there seem to be more Nolan Ryan's than there are Greg Maddux's. I would have thought it was harder to be Nolan Ryan.

2008-05-13 17:48:41
275.   Indiana Jon
I bet hardly anyone is Clayton Kershaw.
2008-05-13 17:48:42
276.   Jacob L
273 Well, I'm sure the network gods weep, but Tampa in the World Series would be quite a story.
2008-05-13 17:48:54
277.   ToyCannon
273
Not the baseball God I pray to.
2008-05-13 17:49:09
278.   Bob Timmermann
Why would anyone weep over an Arizona-Tampa Bay World Series?

The quality of a World Series is not determined by TV ratings! It's determined by the actions on the field.

I like to rage in to the night about this topic.

2008-05-13 17:49:34
279.   FirstMohican
273 - The baseball gods would love it. The MLB would hate it.
2008-05-13 17:49:44
280.   KG16
272 - um, no, not exactly. My point (not argument) is that Penny can (and should) diversify his game. He can be a better pitcher by being a better power pitcher. I just think he could be an even better pitcher by being something of a fusion.
2008-05-13 17:49:55
281.   Jacob L
Bison.
2008-05-13 17:50:02
282.   MC Safety
Ribby for Bison!
2008-05-13 17:51:45
283.   FirstMohican
Turns out Kemp is pretty good.
2008-05-13 17:51:59
284.   ToyCannon
271
Everytime Tampa wins and the Padres/Mariners lose you probably feel good about your chances of winning and bad because you didn't bet more money.

That was how I felt about the Brewers last year. What looked like a given ended up coming down to the last day of the season and I won the bet when Gwynn Junior knocked the Padres out of the playoffs.

2008-05-13 17:52:12
285.   Andrew Shimmin
280- Should Juan Pierre diversify his game by adding power?
2008-05-13 17:52:23
286.   El Lay Dave
Jeff Kent went 0 for the homestand, then has an RBI singles in his first PA of the road trip.
2008-05-13 17:53:50
287.   Jacob L
Baseball is already so intense for me that I have to look away half the time. If I had money on the line, I'd be a basket case.
2008-05-13 17:54:02
288.   MC Safety
284 Looks like all that praying paid off.
2008-05-13 17:54:08
289.   ToyCannon
285
Andrew, quit being a Shimmin.
2008-05-13 17:55:45
290.   Andrew Shimmin
289- Of your mercy, please do not define what you meant by that.

Penny went a little Nolan Ryan there. Lucky Kendall's ducking abilities haven't dropped off too much.

2008-05-13 17:56:00
291.   Bob Timmermann
287
And Jacob is still suffering from Post-traumatic Rich Aurilia Base on Balls Syndrome.
2008-05-13 17:56:14
292.   ToyCannon
287
DVD Recorders have spoiled me. I only watch the good stuff now. It made the games when Tomko/Hendrickson pitch much easier to deal with but I know I'm cheating myself out of something. Probably pain.
2008-05-13 17:56:59
293.   MC Safety
Weak hit by Weeks.
2008-05-13 17:58:10
294.   Jacob L
291 Every time Aurilia walks, a librarian has to eat a peach.
2008-05-13 17:58:44
295.   Jon Weisman
261 - I care.

If I had bet the under on Seattle and San Diego, they'd be going to the Series.

2008-05-13 17:58:50
296.   Disabled List
My cousin is married to a man named Richard Dick.

I wouldn't dare to make that up.

2008-05-13 17:59:17
297.   Jacob L
You can't walk Cameron with Braun coming up!?!
2008-05-13 17:59:55
298.   ToyCannon
290
Nothing really but I always thought it sounded good no matter what the persons name was.
Bob, quit being a Timmermann
Eric, quit being an Enders
Jon, quit being a Weisman
Phil, quit being a Gurnee
I had a friend who used to say that to me all the time when I did something that irritated her and made her laugh at the same time.
2008-05-13 18:00:28
299.   Bluebleeder87
Penny can still bring it if he has too, you guys know that.
2008-05-13 18:01:53
300.   ToyCannon
295
You need to bet the over on the Dodgers, take one for the team if your that unlucky in the betting department.
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2008-05-13 18:02:32
301.   ucladodger
Edwin Jackson through 6 scoreless. got out of a man on 3rd, 1 out jam because his right fielder dove at a line drive signle by Jeter and missed by about a yard. These Rays pitchers are outstanding, and Edwin would be our ace right about now.
2008-05-13 18:02:43
302.   Bob Timmermann
298
Bh, stop being a sportsguy.
Jacob, stop being an L.
2008-05-13 18:03:37
303.   ToyCannon
301
How did he get out of it if the RF missed the ball?
2008-05-13 18:04:57
304.   Bob Timmermann
303
Ground out and pop out to end the inning.
2008-05-13 18:05:47
305.   scareduck
3B umpire James Hoy appears not to be a dummy.
2008-05-13 18:06:03
306.   Zak
303 I'm guessing that's how he got to 3rd, not how he got out of the jam.
2008-05-13 18:06:05
307.   Andrew Shimmin
Stand up triple for Loney. Somebody should check to make sure Hart isn't bleeding--he was off camera and I assume there must have been some kind of injury.
2008-05-13 18:06:10
308.   Indiana Jon
303 I think that's how he got into it, not out of it.
2008-05-13 18:06:19
309.   68elcamino427
#7 Stand Up Triple.
2008-05-13 18:06:57
310.   KG16
if Loney keeps hitting triples, he's going to keep thinking that he can steal second, and if he manages to actually start stealing second, he might try for third... this could become troubling.

(not really)

2008-05-13 18:07:17
311.   ToyCannon
Loney hits a lot of triples for a guy who is such a spastic runner.
2008-05-13 18:07:24
312.   Gen3Blue
What pretty hitting by both Loney and Martin!
2008-05-13 18:07:25
313.   El Lay Dave
307 a bleeding Hart?
2008-05-13 18:07:33
314.   ucladodger
What a beautiful job of hitting by Russ.

And ya, thats how he got into the jam. sorry if I wasn't clear.

2008-05-13 18:07:42
315.   Zak
Loney BA at end of this season, over or under .315?
2008-05-13 18:07:51
316.   68elcamino427
Martin RBI, way to handle the bat.
2008-05-13 18:09:06
317.   Andrew Shimmin
313- If he winds up in a strip club in an hour, and can't remember how he got there, hijinks may ensue. Multi-part hijinks.
2008-05-13 18:10:11
318.   68elcamino427
DeWitt RBI, way to handle the bat. By the way, who's the hitting coach?
2008-05-13 18:10:18
319.   Bob Timmermann
317
You're risking a first baseman's life!
2008-05-13 18:10:41
320.   ToyCannon
315
I take whatever side Jon doesn't.
2008-05-13 18:10:52
321.   KG16
315 - over, by 20 points.

55 pitches in 3 plus innings is a good thing

2008-05-13 18:12:09
322.   Andrew Shimmin
I'd have booed that decision, if I were in the park.
2008-05-13 18:12:14
323.   KG16
um, what exactly is going on in this game, how do runners on first and second advance on a fly ball to left? It didn't look especially deep on gameday.
2008-05-13 18:12:20
324.   Zak
I think over too... just wanted to make sure I'm not the only bullish one? Here's a tougher one.. who has a higher BA, Loney or Kemp? At end of season.
2008-05-13 18:12:28
325.   MC Safety
You guys see Bowa just say dammit and put his hands on his hips?
2008-05-13 18:13:08
326.   Andrew Shimmin
323- Penny sac bunted, that's when they advanced.
2008-05-13 18:13:16
327.   ToyCannon
Did DeWitt hit a line drive?
2008-05-13 18:13:23
328.   Gen3Blue
Kendall did duck like a seasoned pro who expects this every time, which is probably a good idea.

So what now--a sacrifice.
does that mean JP is not leading off an inning? Oh well. Goodbye, Joe were you watching--one pitch.

2008-05-13 18:13:58
329.   bhsportsguy
It's amazing that Pierre was something like 5 for 7 with RISP and 2 out at one point.
2008-05-13 18:15:16
330.   KG16
326 - ok, that makes more sense than what gameday said.
2008-05-13 18:15:44
331.   Gen3Blue
329 That seems to have given him delusions of granduer.
2008-05-13 18:16:42
332.   Ken Noe
JP seems to hit better when he's not sure he's playing most everyday.
2008-05-13 18:17:05
333.   JoeyP
The Dodgers lead the NL in BA w RISP 2 outs--->.292 coming into the game.

Loney gets a lot of triples for a guy whose really slow.

2008-05-13 18:18:44
334.   PDH5204
EJax K's 'roid rage to end the top of the 7th and leave Melky stranded at 3B.
2008-05-13 18:18:57
335.   blutomania
301

I can't really imagine how the Dodgers could have handled Edwin Jackson's situation better. Most people knew he had talent, and simply needed a new start in a new organization.

Maybe they could have received more in a trade, but sometimes players don't work in certain circumstances.

bluto

2008-05-13 18:19:00
336.   Andrew Shimmin
Martin kills his first baserunner of the night. The first two throws were bad, but this one got the job done.
2008-05-13 18:19:02
337.   Vaudeville Villain
261

Ex-Dodger Dioner Navarro is hitting .380 as well. I think it's becoming more and more evident what an awful deal that was for the Dodgers.

2008-05-13 18:19:13
338.   MC Safety
Hah. Martin just gunned Hart down trying to steal third.
2008-05-13 18:20:08
339.   ucladodger
Jackson through 7 scoreless. He was just dominating, paining the corners with every pitch.
2008-05-13 18:21:31
340.   ucladodger
337

They were two different deals.

2008-05-13 18:21:41
341.   JoeyP
Gary Bennett, Mike Lieberthal, and Sandy Alomar didnt make you forget Navarro?
2008-05-13 18:22:04
342.   ToyCannon
Big night for old friend so far.
Werth - 3 hits/4 runs batted in
Navarro - 2-2/now hitting 380 folks
E Jackson - 6 inning of shutout ball against the Yankee's

I'm sure enjoying Baez, Hendrickson, Carter, and whatever we got for Werth. Oh yeah, nothing.

2008-05-13 18:22:12
343.   D4P
Trying to steal third in that situation: stupid.
2008-05-13 18:23:16
344.   scareduck
261 , 301 , etc. - I dunno. Did the Dodgers have the ability to keep Jackson down on the farm once the started his ML service clock so early? They were essentially in a position where they HAD to trade him. I hate Colletti's bad deals, too, but it's not clear that DePodesta (or any GM) wouldn't have been in that position.
2008-05-13 18:23:20
345.   bhsportsguy
If Chris Withrow and James Adkins turn out to be useful players, does Ned get credit for dealing an overrated and probable released Joel Guzman?
2008-05-13 18:23:25
346.   Andrew Shimmin
Werth was non-tendered.
2008-05-13 18:24:13
347.   Bob Timmermann
If I ever go to ToyCannon's house, I'm going to spill milk on the floor.

Then I shall weep uncontrollably.

And depart to catch a flight to St. Petersburg.

2008-05-13 18:24:17
348.   Ken Noe
342 Ultimately, Proctor.
2008-05-13 18:24:31
349.   scareduck
344 - also, there's been a whole lot of suck between that trade and now. It's hardly clear the Dodgers could have kept those young players at the ML level. Not that they wouldn't have possibly learned things playing at AAA, but.
2008-05-13 18:27:59
350.   ToyCannon
345
Yes, and Scareduck is right in that if we hadn't traded EJ the odds of him pitching right now for us could not be very high since he was pitching like crap while he was out of options. Only a team who didn't need to win could let him work out his troubles.

On the other hand it was not Neds fault that EJ's options were burned much too early by his predecessors.

At least if he's not pitching for the Dodgers he's pitching for my 2nd favorite team so it all works out for me.

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2008-05-13 18:29:28
351.   ToyCannon
347
Given the number of cats I have, spilled milk on the floor is a nightly occurance.
2008-05-13 18:32:39
352.   MC Safety
When a Brad Penny walks a pitcher, I feel society as a whole has taken a step backward.
2008-05-13 18:34:14
353.   ToyCannon
I stop rooting for a pitcher when he walks a pitcher. I always want him to pay the price for the cardinal sin even if he's a Dodger.
2008-05-13 18:34:47
354.   Ken Noe
Listening to these Brewers announcers, I want to walk backwards.
2008-05-13 18:34:57
355.   Dark Horse
349-I think this is true, but it's also where the anguish of being a Dodger fan enters in. If we had an ownership with vision, people who truly cared not just about the health of the franchise but about the game of baseball even (instead of just trying to improve the concessions and jack up the parking and so on), we might be able to withstand that sucking. It would take fortitude to withstand the moronic foaming of the Plaschkean hordes, but maybe, just maybe, if we allowed our young players to grow instead of dealing for "depth" ("Hey, we've got two catchers, so let's throw one of them away!"), this team would be legitimately better than it is.

This is a frustrating season, not least because this is (I believe) a mediocre team that would easily be a good one...were it not for our general manager's lack of savvy. That hurts more than anything, somehow.

2008-05-13 18:35:19
356.   bhsportsguy
350 Oh and congrats on Al Thorton being named to the All-Rookie team.
2008-05-13 18:36:06
357.   El Lay Dave
350 "predecessors". That's right, Dan Evans used the first option year, DePo the last two.
2008-05-13 18:36:08
358.   Bob Timmermann
The nameless one isn't coming Saturday:
http://www.insidesocal.com/dodgers/2008/05/kershaw-wont-be.html
2008-05-13 18:36:37
359.   ToyCannon
Uecker used to make me laugh, does he still broadcast?
2008-05-13 18:37:10
360.   El Lay Dave
Brad Penny pitches to a little too much contact.
2008-05-13 18:37:32
361.   Bob Timmermann
Uecker just does radio. He does it pretty straight. The TV guys for the Brewers would be described best as "not good."
2008-05-13 18:38:04
362.   ucladodger
Not good. Penny just cant lay the fastball over the plate. It just doesnt move at all.
2008-05-13 18:38:27
363.   regfairfield
357 He had an option when he was traded.
2008-05-13 18:38:32
364.   MC Safety
353 He's paying alright. That's what he gets.

ARRRGHGHGH!

2008-05-13 18:38:34
365.   scareduck
I believe Penny is having a Grabowski Principle moment.
2008-05-13 18:38:57
366.   Gen3Blue
To me it seems to be a fairly consistent story. Given the Dodgers pitching, the few runs consistently scored by Loney, Kemp and Martin, is not quite enough without the often injured Furcal. I don't mean to slight Dewitt or Kent, who have often been great assets, but one is just too young, and one just too old. I think it imperative to play Ethier and LaRoche soon, and if it looses time for Jones and JP so be it. At this point the two or three runs Loney and Kemp always score is not going to do it.
2008-05-13 18:39:12
367.   MMSMikey
the location of his pitches are terrible.
2008-05-13 18:39:26
368.   ToyCannon
356
Thanks, he couldn't make the freshman/sophmore all-star game but he makes the All-Rookie team.
The Clips are guaranteering their season tickets renewals this year. If by opening day you are not satisfied with the summer moves you can opt out.
2008-05-13 18:41:20
369.   Bluebleeder87
woah, wasn't it 2-0??? (I stepped out) I did hear Reuss say Penny was leaving the pitches RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE. sigh.
2008-05-13 18:42:14
370.   bhsportsguy
Its weird, Penny does not give up the big fly much at all anymore but when he loses it because teams can put together 3-4 hits in an inning.
2008-05-13 18:42:48
371.   MC Safety
369 Yep. And he walked Carlos Villanueva.
2008-05-13 18:42:51
372.   Bluebleeder87
I friend of mind slash co-worker, his name is Frank San Juan that's all I have.
2008-05-13 18:43:06
373.   bhsportsguy
And once again, a Dodger starting pitcher will probably not pitch 6 innings.
2008-05-13 18:43:49
374.   fanerman
372 Lol, you typed out "slash."
2008-05-13 18:43:54
375.   MC Safety
370 And Bill Hall took him deep today of all people.
2008-05-13 18:43:54
376.   PDH5204
The handwriting is on the wall:

Brad Penny has been dropped by 10,134 teams in Yahoo leagues.

Two will be mine.

2008-05-13 18:44:54
377.   Bluebleeder87
Let's string together some timely hits Blue Crew!
2008-05-13 18:45:05
378.   bhsportsguy
375 Oops sorry about that.
2008-05-13 18:47:28
379.   Bluebleeder87
10,134 what have you done for me lately, mah!!
2008-05-13 18:49:58
380.   Bluebleeder87
watching Gagne, there is plenty of game left!!!
2008-05-13 18:51:53
381.   MMSMikey
gagne will shut the dodgers down 1-2-3 in the 9th
2008-05-13 18:52:22
382.   scareduck
372 - like Kirk-slash-Spock?
2008-05-13 18:52:58
383.   bhsportsguy
According to Diamond, Andruw Jones is probably going to sit out this series to clear his mind, nothing else physically wrong with him.
2008-05-13 18:53:56
384.   Bob Timmermann
Godzilla ties it up in St. Pete.
2008-05-13 18:54:11
385.   PDH5204
Ugh, T. Percival gives up the long ball to Matsui and so EJax won't be getting the W.
2008-05-13 18:55:07
386.   MC Safety
Pyscho just said Mike Maddux looks like the Italian Sausage. Hilarious.
2008-05-13 18:57:39
387.   CanuckDodger
It is completely false that we had to trade Jackson. He had another option, so we could have kept him in the minors for 2006. We would have had to have him in the majors for 2007, though, and would he really have been worse than Tomko/Hendrickson? I say he would have been better. Not great, but better than what the Dodgers seemed happy to go with. And Jackson probably would have had an easier time in the NL than in the AL East last year. I said when we traded Jackson it was a huge mistake and I expected to be vindicated in the course of time.
2008-05-13 18:58:36
388.   ucladodger
Percival has given up 4 runs in his last 2 save attempts in games that Edwin Jackson has pitched. He has given up 0 runs in every other game this year.
2008-05-13 18:58:59
389.   Bluebleeder87
yeah, that's not gonna get it done, 83mph (off-speed pitch) up-over-the-plate.
2008-05-13 19:01:21
390.   Bluebleeder87
388

right up conspiracy theorist alley.

2008-05-13 19:01:52
391.   Bluebleeder87
I'm sure you guys agree this has to be Penny's last inning.
2008-05-13 19:02:33
392.   bhsportsguy
Apparently a return to playing the NL West and Jeff Francis is all that it takes for the D-Backs to get on track.
2008-05-13 19:02:39
393.   MC Safety
Coco Crisp left today's game with an upset stomach.

Never seen that.

2008-05-13 19:05:08
394.   Bob Timmermann
393
Really? You've never heard of a player leaving a game with stomach problems?
2008-05-13 19:05:16
395.   El Lay Dave
James Loney and Matt Kemp now have about a season's worth of MLB PAs each under their respective belts. Through yesterday, they have the following career numbers:

Name PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS+
Loney 642 77 183 33 10 23 112 48 76 .312 .364 .520 123
Kemp 614 96 179 27 8 20 90 31 153 .312 .343 .491 110

2008-05-13 19:06:57
396.   Bluebleeder87
393

diarrhea? oh no!!

2008-05-13 19:08:04
397.   Bob Timmermann
The Red Sox had already lost Drew to a wrist injury, so they have Youkilis in the outfield.
2008-05-13 19:08:05
398.   Bluebleeder87
394

well at least it wasn't the classic "flue like systems" every time I hear that now I get a kick out of it.

2008-05-13 19:08:11
399.   El Lay Dave
394 Sometimes they just collapse in the shower.
2008-05-13 19:09:02
400.   El Lay Dave
393 NFL quarterbacks don't leave the game for that, apparently.
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2008-05-13 19:09:44
401.   Andrew Shimmin
I get no kick from champagne.
Mere alcohol doesnt thrill me at all,
So tell me why should it be true
That I get a kick out of flu(-like symptoms)?
2008-05-13 19:09:45
402.   Bob Timmermann
NFL quarterbacks can come back in the game after throwing up on the sidelines.
2008-05-13 19:10:56
403.   bhsportsguy
For Bob.

From Baseball America.com

In his seventh season as a head coach and fourth with UCLA, coach John Savage (career record 169-178 entering the season) has yet to prove he can take his program beyond its long history of mediocrity.

A strong finish could yet propel the Bruins to a regional berth, and the team's talent would make it dangerous. But at just 25-23, 8-10 in the Pac-10, only a miracle finish will keep this season from being anything but a disappointment.

2008-05-13 19:11:26
404.   El Lay Dave
402 Sometimes they do that right on the field.
2008-05-13 19:12:44
405.   Bob Timmermann
403
There ain't gonna be no miracle in Westwood with that team. It stinks.
2008-05-13 19:15:57
406.   El Lay Dave
In nine starts this year, Penny has three quality starts, plus one that was 5 2/3, 1 unearned run. Not very good. His WHIP this season, including tonight, 1.491.
2008-05-13 19:17:42
407.   scareduck
398 - "flue-like symptoms" include smoking like a chimney?
2008-05-13 19:18:12
408.   fracule
That was lame.
2008-05-13 19:18:55
409.   bhsportsguy
Jeff Francis has given up 3 runs, 7 hits in 1+ innings so far in Arizona. He still does not have a win this season.
2008-05-13 19:21:27
410.   Bob Timmermann
Medical types say "flu-like symptoms" because that is all they really know what the person in question has. Some people have flu-like symptoms that turn out to be cancer. Or hepatitis. Some turn out to influenza. Some turn out to be food poisoning. Some turn out to be imaginary and the person just wanted a day off.
2008-05-13 19:21:32
411.   scareduck
I find Tommy Lasorda's wine ads interesting from the standpoint that they are obviously and heavily edited. I wonder what the original recordings sound like.
2008-05-13 19:23:02
412.   Bob Timmermann
There's a rabbit loose in St. Pete.
2008-05-13 19:23:27
413.   JoeyP
Great AB by Kemp.
2008-05-13 19:24:04
414.   El Lay Dave
Speaking of "flu-like symptoms", is Saito available today? (He asks optimistically.)
2008-05-13 19:24:36
415.   Bob Timmermann
414
No.
2008-05-13 19:24:55
416.   El Lay Dave
Kemp saw his K/BB ratio in 395 and decided to do something about it.
2008-05-13 19:26:12
417.   PDH5204
412 Please tell Joe to send him.
2008-05-13 19:28:56
418.   El Lay Dave
417 If only.
2008-05-13 19:29:07
419.   Bob Timmermann
Are we getting set up for the return of the Prodigal Closer?
2008-05-13 19:29:41
420.   Bluebleeder87
Hu has hopes!!
2008-05-13 19:30:40
421.   Bob Hendley
Hu makes that play?
2008-05-13 19:31:14
422.   Icaros
419

My seatbelt is fastened.

2008-05-13 19:31:58
423.   scooplew
What is most dismaying about the Dodgers through nearly one-fourth of the season is the lack of any starting pitcher upon whom we can depend to do well with anything approaching regularity. Hitting comes and hitting goes, but a team has to have at least a couple of B+ or better pitchers. We have none at present. We are staying close only because the division is weak and the DBacks are having their own problems. I think Kershaw needs to be recalled. I have no illusions that Kuo or Park, or whoever else currently on the roster becomes the fifth starter on Saturday against Anaheim, is the answer.
2008-05-13 19:32:30
424.   Bob Timmermann
422
Only Ralph Lawler can give that order.
2008-05-13 19:32:45
425.   Bluebleeder87
I meant hops.
2008-05-13 19:33:06
426.   Bob Timmermann
424
And Bette Davis.
2008-05-13 19:34:45
427.   regfairfield
423 Our pitching has been pretty unlucky right now, we'll be fine. A lot of balls are just finding holes.
2008-05-13 19:36:14
428.   Bob Hendley
This should be exciting.
2008-05-13 19:36:22
429.   Bluebleeder87
put your mittens on your kittens & AWAY we go!!!

with our luck it will probably be a 1-2-3 9th, sigh.

2008-05-13 19:36:32
430.   bhsportsguy
423 Very rarely is one pitcher the savior to a season, even if Kershaw was to pitch well, he would only be good for 5 innings at most per start. And you can't put that much pressure on him.

Nope, if this season is to be saved, Penny, Lowe, Billingsley and Kuroda are going to have lead the way.

2008-05-13 19:37:58
431.   Bluebleeder87
what happens when Canadians collide?
2008-05-13 19:39:12
432.   Icaros
He throws 97?
2008-05-13 19:39:31
433.   Andrew Shimmin
They both say, "Excuse me." Very polite people, Canadians.

There are some exceptions.

2008-05-13 19:39:44
434.   LogikReader
Gagne will have a 1-2-3 inning against the Dodgers.

Write it down :)

2008-05-13 19:40:46
435.   JoeyP
Gagne's lost at least 10mph off his fastball.
2008-05-13 19:40:53
436.   Indiana Jon
Gagne still appears to have good stuff. His fastball is back. Has he just lost his confidence?
2008-05-13 19:41:01
437.   Disabled List
Gagne got a big ovation from the Brewers fans when jogged in from the pen. Compare that to how Dodger fans have been treating Andruw Jones this year.

Sigh.

2008-05-13 19:41:25
438.   Bob Timmermann
Fortunately, I didn't write down anything about a 1-2-3 inning.
2008-05-13 19:42:02
439.   Indiana Jon
435 He used to throw 107 mph?
2008-05-13 19:42:02
440.   Bob Timmermann
437
Yes, but the women there also are very hot and throw themselves at English tourists indiscriminately.
2008-05-13 19:42:05
441.   Bluebleeder87
Don't try to be a hero DeWitt, please!! shucks!
2008-05-13 19:42:19
442.   bhsportsguy
I think Chick Hearn once promised everyone a dinner if Magic missed two free throws to win a game.

He never paid up.

2008-05-13 19:42:56
443.   Icaros
The FSN Wisconsin gun has displayed 97 at least two times so far.
2008-05-13 19:43:05
444.   Icaros
The FSN Wisconsin gun has displayed 97 at least two times so far.
2008-05-13 19:43:34
445.   Icaros
Posted twice for effect.
2008-05-13 19:43:51
446.   Indiana Jon
443 444 So four times total?
2008-05-13 19:44:06
447.   Bluebleeder87
Andruw Jones will lead the way... Seriously though I feel really bad for him I hope he finds his stroke.
2008-05-13 19:44:12
448.   Bob Timmermann
Welcome to first place, Tampa Bay!
2008-05-13 19:44:12
449.   JoeyP
Gameday has him at 84, but that is at the result point not release.
2008-05-13 19:45:09
450.   PDH5204
448 And isn't J. Gomes turning into quite the base stealer.
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2008-05-13 19:45:36
451.   Ricardo
Hey, ho, let´s blow! Excuse me Eric, you were my favorite player but the Dodgers comes first.
2008-05-13 19:45:45
452.   PDH5204
450 And I'm wondering why he was sent and not Crawford.
2008-05-13 19:48:06
453.   PDH5204
Come on, Andruw, park one.
2008-05-13 19:48:11
454.   Bluebleeder87
I gotta admit my heart is pumping pretty good right now, I love dramatics!
2008-05-13 19:48:48
455.   Bob Hendley
This actually looks like a professional at bat.
2008-05-13 19:48:51
456.   bhsportsguy
I wish Furcal was on deck.
2008-05-13 19:49:31
457.   Indiana Jon
Jones is a very calm guy. Anyone ever seen him excited?
2008-05-13 19:49:31
458.   Bob Timmermann
Andruw wins the battle of Epic Disappointments!

Woo hoo!

2008-05-13 19:49:44
459.   Bob Hendley
456 - Way to kill the drama (and hope).
2008-05-13 19:49:44
460.   Icaros
456

Uh...yes.

2008-05-13 19:49:50
461.   bhsportsguy
That was nice at bat, fouling off pitches, sounded like he saw the ball well during that at bat.
2008-05-13 19:49:54
462.   Bluebleeder87
Really nice battle by A. Jones.
2008-05-13 19:50:08
463.   LogikReader
Gagne's last at bat made Andruw look awfully good. Not sure how to evaluate that one.

And I will get all of you dinner, all 17505 of your if Pierre gets a hit ;)

2008-05-13 19:50:28
464.   Bluebleeder87
first pitch POP UP by Pierre, game over, sigh.
2008-05-13 19:51:03
465.   Indiana Jon
Anyone who has been clamoring for Pierre to replace Jones, which at bat gave you more hope?

I thought so.

2008-05-13 19:51:06
466.   Disabled List
Heck of an at-bat there, Juan.
2008-05-13 19:51:13
467.   Icaros
That is so not a veteran move.
2008-05-13 19:51:21
468.   LogikReader
One step closer to NedCo getting fired, hurrah... hurrah...
2008-05-13 19:51:40
469.   Bob Timmermann
Oh, I would not give you false hope ...
2008-05-13 19:51:43
470.   bhsportsguy
Well at least Andruw gets a night off from criticism.
2008-05-13 19:52:47
471.   bhsportsguy
468 Why must you dream of something that will not happen?
2008-05-13 19:52:55
472.   Andrew Shimmin
470- I won't even criticize Pierre, tonight.

Really, I think we can all agree this loss is Gary Bennett's fault.

2008-05-13 19:53:53
473.   Disabled List
I'm starting to get reeeeeal tired of these come-from-ahead losses. I'm not sure if they're better or worse than the get-pounded-early-and-often losses.

We've had to endure both types during this lovely stretch.

2008-05-13 19:53:59
474.   Bob Timmermann
I will blame Manu Ginobili
2008-05-13 19:54:09
475.   neuroboy002
I always found it fitting that"gagne" is the conjugated form of "gagner" - the French verb for "to win." When he has the 84 consecutive save streak, it was great. Now... it's just sad.

And Juan Pierre is back to his old tricks - swinging at the first strike. With at bats like that, I am convinced Pierre should have splinters on his posterior, sharing outfield duties and bench time with Andruw. Pierre really did Gagne a favor there. Not a quality at bat.

2008-05-13 19:54:15
476.   JoeyP
Good AB by Druw.

Brain dead by Pierre.
Gagne throws 10 pitches to Druw then Pierre swings at the 1st one.

2008-05-13 19:54:16
477.   Indiana Jon
Xavier Paul is playing for Vegas tonight. Didn't someone mention him being on the temporarily inactive list?
2008-05-13 19:54:32
478.   PDH5204
I really, really, really, truly, truly, truly, loathe one Juan Pierre. Can't the man take a single pitch just to try and time the darn thing.
2008-05-13 19:55:25
479.   Bob Timmermann
We went over this earlier. Players in AAA can be put on the inactive list for a game or two to keep the team at its roster limit. I think the managers can change their mind right before game time.
2008-05-13 19:56:07
480.   Bob Hendley
469 - As I recall that was a father's song to his son to help quell the anguish of his cat being run over (and over again), but that the title is actually take from a dish offered by a chinese take out involving chicken and eggs.
2008-05-13 19:56:13
481.   Gen3Blue
The Dodgers will actually have a very decent team on the field when the free agents are gone. So it falls to them to develop some good pitchers within the next 2 or 3 years. They are actually in a good position to do this. I can see Kershaw, McDonald, Adkins, Morris, Elbert?,Withrow and a few others as a good pool, but I unfortunatly know how few pitchers make it all the way
2008-05-13 19:57:22
482.   ucladodger
I actually like Pierre swinging at the first pitch. As a hitter following a lengthy AB or a walk, you know the pitcher needs to get ahead. You say to yourself, "If i get a fastball (pick a spot), i'm swinging". Juan got a thigh high fastball over the heart and let loose. Too bad he isnt a good hitter and just popped it up.
2008-05-13 19:59:11
483.   dzzrtRatt
How dare Pierre swing like that at the first pitch after watching Jones' and Kemp's at-bats. It's obnoxious. It's selfish. I don't want to hear any more about what a hard worker and super character JP is. That was lazy and unfocused.

The problem with JP is he doesn't realize how deeply mediocre he is. He might actually be a better player if he accepted the fact that he's not really an All Star, not worth a small fraction of his contract and that most fans are infuriated by him. Then he could stay within himself and perhaps play with a certain grace and grit. Like Alex Cora. Not a great player, but he never pretended to be, so he made the most of every at-bat. Pierre needs to understand that his lousy stretches aren't "slumps." That's exactly who he is. Sometimes he gets lucky, but hitting above .300 is not his norm.

Pierre needs to be one of those players who realizes he has minimal natural gifts and needs to play smart if he's going to contribute. Maybe that's why he pisses me off so much. He doesn't use his head.

2008-05-13 20:00:56
484.   Andrew Shimmin
In case Eric Stephen decides to poll this topic, I agree with 482 . Now I'm going for a walk.
2008-05-13 20:02:10
485.   Icaros
484

That's disappointing.

2008-05-13 20:03:02
486.   Gen3Blue
I also agree with 482. But JP should swing at the first pith only because he has such a lousy skill set as an offensive player.
2008-05-13 20:04:09
487.   bhsportsguy
483 He's still a .290 hitter. I don't think he thinks he's a great player, I just think he believes that everyone knows what kind of player he is, singles hitter, steals bases and plays everyday without fail. Those are the things he brings to a team.
2008-05-13 20:05:27
488.   Icaros
Pierre should have been trying for catcher's interference, not a home run, regardless of which pitch he swung at.
2008-05-13 20:06:35
489.   Bluebleeder87
another bump in the road (I'm cool with it) but we really gotta go on a good stretch if this team is to be taken seriously, it's baseball anything can happen, let's just enjoy the ride.

but yeah, I like how DzzrtRatt put it (selfish) can best describe that at bat by Pierre but I also noticed DeWitt doing that also when Russell Martin was on first so it CAN BE SAID OF A COUPLE OF Dodger players, let's just ride it out.

2008-05-13 20:06:43
490.   ucladodger
Really, Pierre shouldnt have been up in the first place. to tie, he would have needed to get a hit, plus Ethier would have needed to get a hit. I'd rather take my chances with DY throwing one in the gap or over the fence. But, because he was up, his mindset was correct. You'll always see hitters taking a rip on the first pitch if a pitcher is having control issues. i can tell you from experience that that was my favorite situation. You know the pitcher wants to get ahead and throw a strike. Because of that, you know a fastball is coming. Pierre knew a fastball was coming. It was a fat pitch and he just missed it. i really dont know what all the uproar is about.
2008-05-13 20:07:52
491.   Bob Hendley
Its not as if Gagne looked wild, when indeed, you might want him to take a couple of pitches. I kinda agree with 482 as well, that JP needs all the help he can get. He obviously didn't handle the ball very well.
2008-05-13 20:08:46
492.   Bluebleeder87
482

if I'm a hitter limited like Pierre is I'M THINKING OF THE TEAM PERIOD! Gange had 13 walks coming into the series, again, I really didn't like Pierre's approach.

2008-05-13 20:08:56
493.   LoneStar7
283 agreed in the sense that you have to make gagne work, that was frustrating beyond belief to hear andruw battle through that whole at bat, then juan to just swing at the first thing thrown his way.
2008-05-13 20:09:53
494.   bablue
I don't understand why you guys would criticize Pierre for swinging at the 1st pitch there.

Just having walked a guy, you know Gagne is gonna try to get a 1st pitch strike. Add the fact Pierre has no power, then Gagne probably isn't worried about giving him a pitch to hit, even if its down the middle.

And the pitch was a very good one to hit. I woild have thought it was extremely stupid for Juan to take a fastball down the pipe there, only to fall behind and have to deal with Gagne's change later. Worst case scenario if he throws a changeup there and you probably swing through it.

Now the fact that he missed the pitch you can criticie, but I think the decision making was smart.

2008-05-13 20:11:14
495.   bablue
Meant criticize, not criticie. :)
2008-05-13 20:11:16
496.   Bluebleeder87
the best Pierre would have done is a little single to LF, CF OR RF come on, just take the walk & let the big boys do there thing.
2008-05-13 20:14:06
497.   Bluebleeder87
woah, that was Gagne first save sense MAY 1st!!! (looking at you Pierre!!)
2008-05-13 20:14:44
498.   bablue
483/489

How is it selfish to swing at the first pitch? Was he not trying to get a hit to help the TEAM win?

2008-05-13 20:15:25
499.   LoneStar7
494 to sort of echo bluebleeder, when you see a pitcher go from 0-2 to walking a batter, Juan has gotta try and make him throw strikes. He wouldnt of done anything other than a bloop single at best as bleeder said, so I figure make gagne pitch so ethier can come up and bring some power..
2008-05-13 20:15:57
500.   Bluebleeder87
498

nope. I stand by my statement.

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2008-05-13 20:17:25
501.   regfairfield
Isn't complaining that Juan Pierre had a bad at bat like complaining he didn't hit a home run?
2008-05-13 20:18:07
502.   LoneStar7
I'm not gonna criticize Juan for what he did, obviously if he got a hit this conversation would be different, but in my honest opinion after listening through that Druw at bat, I was hoping for another at patient at bat from Juan and making Eric work so you can bring a guy up with some pop.
2008-05-13 20:19:08
503.   bablue
496,

Its not like "Take a Walk" is an option you have instead of batting. In order to walk, Gagne would have had to throw four balls. And the first pitch was a strike. I don't think it was very likely that he would walk there. ANd don't blame Pierre, blame Penny. We would have never been behind in the first place if he had pitched better.

2008-05-13 20:20:38
504.   Bluebleeder87
Seriously though, the Dodgers gotta turn the corner & start winning, I think D-Lowe will give us a good chance tomorrow.
2008-05-13 20:21:42
505.   jasonungar07
The problem is he was up in the first place He should not be on the field. I am sick of it. It's predictable. He is terrible.
2008-05-13 20:22:43
506.   Bluebleeder87
ANd don't blame Pierre, blame Penny. We would have never been behind in the first place if he had pitched better.

I opt to blame Pierre but good point.

2008-05-13 20:24:08
507.   PDH5204
503 The real deficiency here is that for a guy with no power and much speed, the man can't bunt to save his life. Since he can't bunt, time and then sit on the fastball. If Gagne K's you with 2 changeups following that first strike, so be it.
2008-05-13 20:24:14
508.   PDH5204
503 The real deficiency here is that for a guy with no power and much speed, the man can't bunt to save his life. Since he can't bunt, time and then sit on the fastball. If Gagne K's you with 2 changeups following that first strike, so be it.
2008-05-13 20:24:32
509.   LoneStar7
503 Did you think it was likely that Druw would walk after going down 0-2...I'd almost rather of seen Juan go 0-2 looking and strike out swinging than that..
2008-05-13 20:24:45
510.   bablue
500,

Well what was he trying to do then?

502,

Yeah a walk would have been nice, but Gagne is probably going to make sure to throw stikes, and a walk isn't very likely. Its not like he walked Druw on 4 pitches, it was like a 10 pitch at bat and one of the balls probably should have been a strike. Thats not really that wild.

All that said, I just don't see how taking (basically) the best pitch you could probably hope for is the right strategy. Maybe I'm stretching it, but I'd bet you Pierre would hit at least .400 swinging at a pitch like that when you know its coming.

2008-05-13 20:25:23
511.   gpellamjr
Reflecting on my reaction to this game and Pierre's at-bat, I realize how irrational I am capable of being.
2008-05-13 20:26:22
512.   ucladodger
502

Thank you. Gagne wasnt going to walk Juan. Really, he was careful with Andruw (except for that one fastball down the heart) because he knew Juan couldn't hurt him. The worst Juan will do is move everyone up 90 feet and bring Ethier up. Eric was going to make juan do that and not give him a free pass. Juan just hit his pitch- thats baseball.

2008-05-13 20:27:51
513.   ucladodger
512

Should say missed his pitch, not hit his pitch.

2008-05-13 20:27:56
514.   68elcamino427
Really 503 and 505 make good points.

Could part of the reason Jones walks is because JP is waiting on deck?

With JP up, Gagne is going to go right after him, daring JP to hit one out of the infield.

Penny? Not so hot right now.

2008-05-13 20:28:53
515.   neuroboy002
498 It wasn't so much selfish as it was unintelligent. We've got a pitcher who lacks confidence and is tied with the most blown saves in the majors. He is not the unstoppable force he was once a few years ago as his fast ball lacks a lot of life, making his change-up and other pitches more vulnerable.

Up to Andruw Jones, Gagne had thrown over 20 pitches, about 10 more than any normal one-inning closer would like to throw, let alone a closer who clearly does not have the same endurance he had in the past. So in short, he is close to tiring. Pierre watches his other teammates produce quality at bats, forcing Gagne to throw strikes and more pitches. There are two men on base, and Ethier and Kemp are slated to hit next. Though he was hittless up to this point in the game, Ethier is a way better hitter than Gagne is a pitcher. I'd take my chances with him and Kemp following.

And Pierre swings at the first pitch he sees.

Game Over. Needlessly.

2008-05-13 20:28:55
516.   LoneStar7
510 well i admit im taking out a little more frustration on Juan than he deserves for that specific at bat, I mean he basically should of been 0'fer tonight, but yea slumping will put us all a bit on edge
2008-05-13 20:29:47
517.   bhsportsguy
514 You never walk the tying run and Gagne is not pitching well enough to make that determination.
2008-05-13 20:30:08
518.   Eric Stephen
In case Eric Stephen decides to poll this topic...

Actually, with the 5 game losing streak, I have had an idea for a poll to bring out the positive (you know, like Joakim Noah getting run over by Danica Patrick), I pose the following questions:

1) Who are your top 5 favorite current Dodgers?
2) Who are your top 5 favorite Dodgers of all time?

I will only count the top 5 in each category, and award 5 points for a 1st place vote, 4 points for 2nd, down to 1 point for a 5th place vote. I'll tally the results!

To get this started, here are my "Fave Fives" (this contest is sponsored by T-Mobile™):

Current Dodgers
1) Billingsley
2) Martin
3) Kemp
4) Loney
5) Ethier

All-Time Dodgers
1) Eddie Murray
2) Orel Hershiser
3) Kirk Gibson
4) Mike Piazza
5) Ramon Martinez

2008-05-13 20:33:20
519.   Eric Stephen
518
Oh, and for purposes of the poll, current Dodgers are defined as:

1) players currently on the 25-man or DL
2) players on the 40-man with major league experience (i.e. LaRoche)

2008-05-13 20:33:58
520.   bhsportsguy
518 Does the All-Time guys have to be players you watched?

1. Current Dudes:
1. Matt Kemp
2. James Loney
3. Russell Martin
4. Chad Billingsley
5. Jeff Kent

All-Time
1. Ron Cey
2. Reggie Smith
3. Dusty Baker
4. Pedro Guerrero
5. Fernando Valenzuela

2008-05-13 20:34:08
521.   dzzrtRatt
Well, I understand the logic of swinging at the first pitch if it was merely a case of Gagne being wild. But what I saw was a pitcher who was mentally exhausted after a certain number of pitches in a given at-bat, that you could wait him out and wear him down. His confidence is shaky right now. The more opportunities you give him to miss, the more the advantage swings the batter's way. Gagne was beatable tonight, not just because of wildness, but because he's just not as sharp as he was.

But I'll concede this: Pierre didn't lose the game. He just mucked up the last desperate opportunity to salvage it from what Penny did to it.

2008-05-13 20:36:16
522.   Eric Stephen
I don't really like the table "discussion" between segments on E:60. I don't think a production meeting is compelling TV.
2008-05-13 20:37:24
523.   bablue
508,
Yeah, he wasn't the ideal hitter in that situation obviously. But I think swinging at that pitch was the best chance he had.

509,

No, but Gagne at least was careful with Druw. The only way he would have walked Juan was if he just lost it. You can't judge the decision just based on the popup, he very likely could have gotten a line drive single.

If you are going to question the decision, you should only factor in what you knew beforehand. Its not like Juan knew he was going to hit a popup. The thing is, hitting is hard, sometimes you just miss even when you do everyting right. And IMO, taking a strike (and a great pitch to hit too) just for the sake of it in that situation is stupid. Now obviously, in hindsight it looks bad, but you can't judge things that way.

2008-05-13 20:38:00
524.   Eric Stephen
520
The all-timers don't have to have been watched. I'll admit though my list was heavily influenced by whom I watched. The only pick I'm not certain of is Ramon Martinez at 5.
2008-05-13 20:38:05
525.   68elcamino427
517 You are correct and Gagne did look pretty flustered as Jones was going to first. We've just bagged on Pierre so much, 505 says it for me. I'd much rather have another player in left, like Young.
2008-05-13 20:38:13
526.   MC Safety
Current

Matt Kemp
Russell Martin
James Loney
Jon Broxton
Chad Billingsley

All-Time

Milton Bradley
Mike Piazza
Shawn Green
Hideo Nomo
Raul Mondesi

2008-05-13 20:41:27
527.   27indigo
Current

Andy LaRoche
Matt Kemp
Brad Penny
Andre Ethier
James Loney

All-Time

Hideo Nomo
Orel Hershiser
Don Sutton
Shawn Green
Kevin Brown

2008-05-13 20:41:50
528.   bhsportsguy
526 Its weird that those 90's teams don't come to mind as having my favorite players, I liked those teams, Piazza, Karros, Mondesi, Nomo but I guess life began to intrude a bit.
2008-05-13 20:41:50
529.   dzzrtRatt
Or, like he said 515 .

My top five current players:

Martin
Furcal
Kemp
Saito
Broxton

All time (I'll limit it to my lifetime experience, which players I at least saw on TV):

Koufax
Valenzuela
Gagne
Piazza
Scioscia

Looking at both lists, what comes through is the Dodgers are still a couple pitchers short of future greatness. If Billingsley develops into a top of the rotation guy, if Kershaw is all that, if Broxton becomes a dominant closer, if Meloan or McDonald come on strong, then we've really got something. (Figuring out a way to pry James Shields or Scott Kazmir loose from Tampa wouldn't hurt either.)

2008-05-13 20:46:01
530.   PDH5204
Current: Saito, Kuo, Kemp, Martin and Loney

Prior: Smith, Lopes, TJ, Pena, and Valenzuela

In no particular order.

2008-05-13 20:47:46
531.   Eric Stephen
530
I'm ranking them and awarding points based on rank. I'll assume your lists are in order 1-5 unless you say otherwise.
2008-05-13 20:49:22
532.   bablue
Current:

1. Furcal
2. Kemp
3. Martin
4. Broxton
5. Druw (before anyone goes beserk, I used to be a Braves fan, so I've got a little bit more attachment to him than most. But I'm not sure he's ever gonna be any good anymore so this may have to change) :)

Soon to be (hopefully): Kershaw

Alltime: Haven't been a fan long enough to have any

2008-05-13 20:49:26
533.   PDH5204
531 Sorry.

Current: Saito, Loney, Martin, Kemp and Kuo.
Prior: Smith, TJ, Valenzuela, Lopes and Pena.

2008-05-13 20:50:16
534.   LoneStar7
Current
1.Loney
2.Kemp
3.Martin
4.Raffy
5.Saito

All Time
1.Rauuuul
2.Piazza
3.Gagne
4.Ramon
5.Nomo
(The mid 90s is about as early as I remember as a Dodger fan)

2008-05-13 20:50:36
535.   gpellamjr
My all-time list is going to reflect the fact that I go back to '94. I'm assuming Vin Scully doesn't count.

Current:
1-Jeff Kent
2-James Loney
3-Matt Kemp
4-Jonathon Broxton
5-Russell Martin

All-time:
1- Mike Piazza
2- Hideo Nomo
3- Eric Gagne
4- Adrian Beltre
5- Jeff Kent

I suppose Rickey Henderson shouldn't be on the list-- but I loved him, too.

My least favorite:

1- Carlos Hernandez
2- Gary Bennett
3- Tom Prince
4- Chad Kreuter
5- Sandy Alomar Jr.

2008-05-13 20:51:16
536.   Eric Enders
Martin
Kemp
Billingsley
Saito
Young

Gibson
R. Martinez
Valenzuela
Hershiser
Martin

2008-05-13 20:51:21
537.   MC Safety
Switch Bradley and Nomo on mine, Eric.
2008-05-13 20:51:30
538.   bablue
529,

Yeah but look at the Rockies last year. Its not like you have to have Koufax and Drysdale to win a WS. I mean, the Rockies don't even really have an ace.

2008-05-13 20:53:03
539.   LoneStar7
O jeez I forgot Beltre, I used to really love Beltre. I'd switch him out for Ramon
2008-05-13 20:54:06
540.   El Lay Dave
Zack Wheat, Rube Marquard, Babe Herman, Burleigh Grimes and Dazzy Vance.

More seriously, is the all-time favorites L.A. only?

2008-05-13 20:54:50
541.   MC Safety
535 How do you feel about Toby Hall?
2008-05-13 20:55:01
542.   Eric Enders
Kemp is the only unanimous choice so far. (We already have Martin-hater! Or maybe just a Martin-omitter.)
2008-05-13 20:56:49
543.   MC Safety
542 Burn him!
2008-05-13 20:57:19
544.   gpellamjr
541 Yeah-- Hall should replace Alomar. He just slipped my mind for a moment. Not that that's the point. I know Mr. Stephen is trying to stop the negativity.
2008-05-13 20:58:05
545.   blue22
Now:
Martin
Loney
Kemp
Billingsley
Saito

All-Time:
Piazza
Sax
Hershiser
Gibson
Scioscia

2008-05-13 20:58:18
546.   Eric Enders
I hate that I had to omit Guerrero, Mondesi, and Beltre -- each of whom was my favorite Dodger at a certain point -- from my list.
2008-05-13 20:58:28
547.   68elcamino427
Current:
Kemp
Martin
Loney
Saito
Broxton
2008-05-13 20:59:49
548.   bhsportsguy
535 How can a backup catcher ever be someone's least favorite player?
2008-05-13 20:59:59
549.   68elcamino427
My All-Time list has 20 pitchers starting with Koufax, Drysdale, and Podres
2008-05-13 21:00:22
550.   blue22
546 - I feel badly about Gagne and LoDuca, but the '88 team needs to be represented!
Show/Hide Comments 551-600
2008-05-13 21:00:54
551.   gpellamjr
548 Because the Dodgers have had some stud starting catcher in the last 15 years.
2008-05-13 21:01:11
552.   blue22
548 - What's funny (to me, you all don't care) is that I liked Carlos Hernandez!
2008-05-13 21:02:06
553.   Eric Stephen
540
Any Dodgers will do. Only requirement is that they played at least 1 game as a Dodger.
2008-05-13 21:03:35
554.   KingKopitar
Kemp
Broxton
Martin
Loney
Laroche

Orel
Butler
Murray
R. Martinez
Karros

2008-05-13 21:04:04
555.   Eric Enders
I was limiting my list to guys I saw play. It's hard to compare, say, Roy Campanella to Russell Martin.
2008-05-13 21:05:04
556.   Jimi Shelter
Now
1. Martin
2. Saito
3. Kemp
4. Loney
5. Ethier

All-time (that I saw play)
1. Koufax
2. Drysdale
3. Fernando
4. Garvey
5. Orel

Of course, I'll keep myself over some of these All-time choices...I love the Dodgers! A top 20 would be easy.

2008-05-13 21:07:51
557.   Eric Enders
So far BH and KingKopitar are the only ones whose five all-time guys all played for the same team. BH's five all played on the 1981-82 Dodgers and KingKopitar's all played on the 1991 Dodgers.
2008-05-13 21:07:58
558.   jtrichey
Hey, this is fun!

Current
1.Matt Kemp
2.Takashi Saito
3.James Loney
4.Russell Martin
5.Rafael Furcal

All Time
1.Steve Garvey
2.Ramon Martinez (I, definitely not II)
3.Mike Piazza
4.Steve Sax
5.Matt Kemp

2008-05-13 21:09:05
559.   Indiana Jon
518

Current:
1. Kemp
2. Martin
3. Billingsley
4. Laroche
5. Kuo

All-Time
1. Garvey
2. Piazza
3. Hershiser
4. Gagne
5. Guerrero

2008-05-13 21:09:41
560.   Eric Enders
557 Actually that should read 1980-82 for bh.
2008-05-13 21:11:53
561.   Jimi Shelter
553--so the Babe gets close to qualifying, but no cigar!
2008-05-13 21:13:00
562.   Eric Enders
I'm sure the Babe has all the cigars he needs.
2008-05-13 21:14:22
563.   Eric Enders
Unless you were talking about Babe Phelps or Babe Herman. The former would be hated by gpellam since he was Mickey Owen's backup catcher at one time.
2008-05-13 21:14:30
564.   Bob Timmermann
Current favorite Dodgers:
Luis Maza
Cory Wade
Matt Kemp
Jeff Kent
Dere(k) Lowe

All time favorites:
Richie Allen
Andy Messersmith
Don Sutton
Jim Brewer
Claude Osteen

2008-05-13 21:16:45
565.   Bumsrap
I wonder if Torre thought Jones had a good at bat and therefore is ready to start again?

Loney
Kemp
Martin
Billingsley
Kershaw/Kuo

Duke Snider
Roy Campanella
Gil Hodges
Sandy Koufax
Mike Piazza

PeeWee Reese should be on the list but he was too far before my time.

Honorable mentions:
Jim Lefebre, Ron Fairly, Tom Davis, Bill Russell, Ron Cey, Don Drysdale.

2008-05-13 21:16:53
566.   PDH5204
The best thing about being a Rays fan right about now, at least for me, is seeing the joy in others who haven't had the occasion for such joy in the past. My favorite poster from RaysBB [scroll down to the post by timmyB, just shy of 2/3 of the way down the page]:

http://tinyurl.com/54j4au

He's got the whole crew goin'.

Oh, and Jon, when do we get the emoticons? I love the round green fellows and the dancing banana men.

2008-05-13 21:16:57
567.   Eric Enders
I think Dick Allen would beat you up for calling him Richie.
2008-05-13 21:18:05
568.   Bob Timmermann
Richie Allen played for the Dodgers. Dick Allen played for the White Sox (and Phillies and A's after.)
2008-05-13 21:18:32
569.   Bumsrap
564 - Did you have to include Kemp?
2008-05-13 21:18:54
570.   Eric Stephen
530
PDH, is TJ Tommy John?
2008-05-13 21:18:56
571.   scooplew
518
All-time -- Koufax, Jackie Robinson, Pee Wee Reese, Duke Snider and Tommy Davis
I don't have five favorites, yet, on this team
2008-05-13 21:19:56
572.   Indiana Jon
565 Kershaw is ineligible, see 519 .
2008-05-13 21:20:44
573.   Eric Enders
Nobody said it had to be a regular season game!
2008-05-13 21:21:13
574.   PDH5204
570 Correct.
2008-05-13 21:21:47
575.   Bumsrap
572 - That is why I said Kershaw/Kuo
2008-05-13 21:21:50
576.   Eric Enders
Alternatively, you could fill one of the five spots with [Player to be named on May 17].
2008-05-13 21:23:19
577.   scooplew
571
To be complete, and to amend my prior entry, my favorites on the team now are:
Loney, Martin, Kemp, Furcal and Saito
2008-05-13 21:23:42
578.   Indiana Jon
570 The only other choice would be Tim Jordan.
2008-05-13 21:24:27
579.   Jimi Shelter
563---Nope, this guy:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/47/144346374_92154d7e94.jpg?v=0

2008-05-13 21:28:46
580.   Eric Stephen
Kershaw is eligible for current, but not all time.
2008-05-13 21:31:34
581.   Indiana Jon
578 Tim Jordan is the only Brooklyn/LA player to ever lead the National League in Home Runs more than once. This year is the 100th anniversary of that accomplishment.
2008-05-13 21:32:39
582.   bhsportsguy
That's strange, but I guess not when I consider that the 70's Dodgers were the team I first grew up with and their winning the '81 World Series confirmed to me that I was following some pretty good teams.

I generally don't find myself rooting for individual players so its hard for me to think of Orel or Gibson or Piazza or Mondesi that way.

2008-05-13 21:33:56
583.   Indiana Jon
580 Am I misreading 519 ? He is not on the 25 or 40 man.
2008-05-13 21:34:29
584.   Xeifrank
Ah, gotta love that Tampa Bay has the best record in the AL. Thanks Vegas for giving me 150:1 odds on them. :)
vr, Xei
2008-05-13 21:34:37
585.   bhsportsguy
5 Dodgers I wish I could have seen play

1. Jackie Robinson
2. Sandy Koufax
3. Joe Black (rookie year)
4. Duke Snider
5. Babe Herman (1930 version)

2008-05-13 21:35:55
586.   bhsportsguy
NBA 2nd Round Playoffs

Home teams are 17-1.

2008-05-13 21:37:17
587.   Eric Stephen
583
You are right. I thought for a moment to make a special case for Kershaw, but decided against it.
2008-05-13 21:37:38
588.   Indiana Jon
585 Great list. Mine would be:

1. Campanella
2. Koufax
3. Jackie
4. Newcombe
5. Snider

2008-05-13 21:38:32
589.   Bob Timmermann
586
So has the second round of the NBA Playoffs truly begun?
2008-05-13 21:38:40
590.   Indiana Jon
587 I'm only being technical because it would have greatly changed my list and probably others.
2008-05-13 21:40:45
591.   Andrew Shimmin
Eric came up with a clutch poll.

Current:
1. Russ Martin (can I list him in all five spots, to drive his point total up? I don't get anybody's having a more favorite player than Russ Martin. What's the matter with you people?)
2. LaRoche
3. Billingsley
4. Kemp
5. Furcal

All-time:
1. Russ Martin
2. Scioscia
3. Hershiser
4. Piazza
5. Ch-i

2008-05-13 21:42:11
592.   dzzrtRatt
Nice piece on MLB.com about the emergence of old friend Dioner Navarro as a factor in the Rays' success. Even Troy Percival likes him.

http://tinyurl.com/3otpqt

2008-05-13 21:42:52
593.   arbfuldodger
Current
1. Russell Martin
2. Jonathan Broxton
3. Andy LaRoche
4. Matt Kemp
5. Clayton Kershaw

All Time
1. Steve Garvey
2. Fernando Valenzuela
3. Mike Piazza
4. Pedro Guerrero
5. Orel Hershiser

No list of all time Dodgers can be complete w/ out mention of the greatest Dodger of them all ...Vincent Edward Scully (yes I know hes not a player, but he is THE Dodger)

2008-05-13 21:45:12
594.   arbfuldodger
well if Minotaur is off the board I'll replace him w/ Billz
2008-05-13 21:46:11
595.   Eric Enders
Five Dodgers I Wish I Could Have Seen Play But Didn't
1. Jackie Robinson
2. Pete Reiser
3. Sandy Koufax
4. Roy Campanella
5. Dazzy Vance

Five Dodgers I Saw Play But Wish I Hadn't
1. Carlos Perez
2. Shea Hillenbrand
3. Juan Pierre
4. Mel Rojas
5. Juan Samuel

Five Favorite Dodgers, Cup of Coffee Edition
1. Brian Traxler
2. Dennis Springer
3. Rickey Henderson
4. Jeff Fischer
5. Luis Lopez

2008-05-13 21:47:41
596.   Bob Timmermann
Light up the halo!
2008-05-13 21:47:51
597.   PDH5204
584 I don't normally advocate gambling, but I'm hoping that you put down a C note.
2008-05-13 21:51:35
598.   Eric Stephen
So far I have received 21 entries. Both bablue & 68elcamino427 didn't submit all-time entries.

Of the 19 all-time entries, there have been 41 different Dodgers listed.

2008-05-13 21:51:41
599.   LoneStar7
591 I believed you until you left off loney in place of laroche, I'm not a laroche hater by any means, i want him up here as soon as possible, but no love for the Lonestar : )
2008-05-13 21:53:44
600.   Andrew Shimmin
599- I left off Loney because I like to think it drives Canuck a little bit nuts when anybody slights him.
Show/Hide Comments 601-650
2008-05-13 21:56:09
601.   Eric Enders
Kemp is still unanimous and Martin is still trying to get 27indigo's ballot revoked.
2008-05-13 21:59:00
602.   Eric Stephen
601
Martin is still trying to get 27indigo's ballot revoked

And Bob Timmermann's too (unless the Maza thing was a joke)

2008-05-13 21:59:37
603.   68elcamino427
All-Time

Frank Howard
Sandy Koufax
Don Drysdale
John Roseboro
Mike Piazza

(Walter Alston)

2008-05-13 22:02:29
604.   KG16
Current:
Martin
Kemp
Ethier
DeWitt
Loney

That I saw:
Hershiser
Gibson
Piazza
Fernando
Karros

That I wish I saw:
Campy
Koufax
Drysdale
Robinson
Snider

The second list could go another 10-15, the third list could probably go 100 more.

2008-05-13 22:02:38
605.   LA Native
Current:
Loney
Martin
Kemp
Saito
Ethier

honorable mention for LaRoche when he arrives - I was surprised to see how many had him on their lists

Before My Time in LA:
Wills
Koufax
Drysdale
Reese (kind of cheating here as he only played one year in LA)
Snider

All Time in My Lifetime:
Garvey
Cey
Orel
Piazza
Fernando

honorable mention to Eric Gagne. It is tarnished with the HGH and his short period of dominance, but I never enjoyed watching a pitcher as much as him for those three years.

2008-05-13 22:06:02
606.   Uncle Miltie
Current
1. Martin
2. Saito
3. Broxton
4. Furcal
5. Billingsley

(That I've seen play) All time
1. Nomo
2. Martin
3. Mondesi
4. Ramon Martinez
5. Beltre

2008-05-13 22:06:33
607.   Indiana Jon
Which will happen first?

A) Kemp gets left off a list.

B) Pierre is on a list.

2008-05-13 22:07:02
608.   LoneStar7
600 haha yea ive got a soft spot for james as well, but i do seriously hope that laroche will make my "t-mobil fave 5" in the coming years..

and I know the questioning of LaRoche's potential causes much more uproar around here than even Loney, so I didn't want to come across as having no faith in Andy, because I like him as well.

2008-05-13 22:07:27
609.   Xeifrank
597. Unfortunately, I only put down $20. So I only win $3000 if the miracle happens.
vr, Xei
2008-05-13 22:07:39
610.   Indiana Jon
606 answers [607
2008-05-13 22:08:37
611.   KG16
604 - an honorable mention for Jose Offerman on my list, if only because I was at the game where he hit a home run in his first major league at bat (and later stole second), sitting in the top deck... in fact I think it was my first trip to Dodger Stadium (al trips to Angel Stadium before that).
2008-05-13 22:09:03
612.   LoneStar7
607 unless Ned himself posts on DT, i think A has to happen first..
2008-05-13 22:12:34
613.   Andrew Shimmin
611- Wow.

Wow.

Jose Offerman was my ur-hated baseball player. I didn't like Will Clark, but I hated Offerman.

2008-05-13 22:13:27
614.   Eric Enders
I was a huge Offerman fan. He'd be in my top 15, maybe my top 10.
2008-05-13 22:13:47
615.   ToyCannon
For Eric:
Current Dodgers:
Kuo
Matt Kemp
Russel Martin
James Loney
Andruw Jones

Past Dodgers:
Mike Piazza
Ron Cey
Pedro Guerrero
Adrian Beltre
Lee Lacy

2008-05-13 22:14:56
616.   Greg Brock
I hated Offerman.
2008-05-13 22:15:21
617.   KingKopitar
557 Well, I was 6 that season and it was the 1st season I remember as a fan, so I guess that makes sense. I'm pretty sure I remember Brett Butler hitting a lead-off home run in the very first game of the season; anyone else remember that?
2008-05-13 22:16:37
618.   KG16
613 - heh. If I were to actually list out my favorites that I've seen, he'd probably still be an honorable mention after 25... mainly just the fact that he gave the 12 year old me a thrill in my first trip to the Stadium.
2008-05-13 22:24:44
619.   Eric Enders
617 I remember Steve Sax doing that in 1988, but not Butler.

Checking... Butler as a Dodger never hit a home run either on Opening Day or the home opener.

2008-05-13 22:24:55
620.   PDH5204
609 That's a nice vacation in some exotic place for you, your gal, and the little one[s], or simply some money to make your step just that much lighter. As for the miracle of it, as a believer in resurrection I'm big on miracles. And, here, some preparation for this year's Rays miracle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fztlLwgSFCg

2008-05-13 22:25:41
621.   ToyCannon
I went from loving Offerman to hating Offerman. I think he is the only Dodger I've ever booed, it wasn't his fault, my expectations were to high. If I had read Bill James before the Offerman Era my expectations would have been more realistic.
2008-05-13 22:27:49
622.   Eric Enders
Offerman was a very sabermetric-friendly player, though. He just never could learn to catch the ball, although he had all the physical tools to do it. (I still maintain his defense was better than most people believed, though I realize I'm in the minority on that point.)
2008-05-13 22:31:44
623.   Eric Stephen
I'll still take votes through gametime tomorrow night. Right now we are sitting at 25 total entries (24 all-time: bablue didn't submit an all-time team).
2008-05-13 22:32:26
624.   regfairfield
Current:
LaRoche
Broxton
Penny
Kent
Martin

All Time:
Hollandsworth
Piazza
Karros
Mondesi
Zeile

2008-05-13 22:35:03
625.   KingKopitar
617 Way to destroy one of my cherished childhood memories. Did Pedro Martinez at least pitch a home opener once?
2008-05-13 22:36:40
626.   Eric Stephen
624
I never thought I'd see Hollandsworth or Zeile on these lists.
2008-05-13 22:37:26
627.   Andrew Shimmin
Jose Offerman made me think that there might not be anything wrong with liking soccer better than baseball.
2008-05-13 22:38:04
628.   Andrew Shimmin
626- Clearly regfairfield has been drinking.
2008-05-13 22:38:24
629.   Eric Stephen
625
Did Pedro Martinez at least pitch a home opener once?

Not for the Dodgers. He first appeared in game #153 in 1992 and game #7 in 1993.

2008-05-13 22:38:50
630.   Eric Enders
625 Sorry about that.

Pedro Martinez was only a Dodger for one home opener, but yes, he was the losing pitcher in that game.

2008-05-13 22:39:05
631.   Eric Stephen
I'm the sole owner of my #1 on each list.
2008-05-13 22:39:39
632.   Eric Stephen
630
Ahh, home opener.
2008-05-13 22:45:23
633.   Eric Enders
KingKopitar, the Butler homer you're thinking of was probably in 1992, when he hit a home run to lead off the game in the Dodgers' first road game of the year. (It was in San Diego; the Dodgers had opened the season at home.)

It was the fifth and last leadoff homer of Butler's career, and his only one as a Dodger.

2008-05-13 22:47:12
634.   NorCal-Dodger
Current:
1. Martin
2. Kemp
3. Furcal
4. Loney
5. Saito

All Time:
1. Fernando Valenzuela
2. Orel Hersheiser
3. Reggie Smith
4. Mike Piazza
5. Eric Gagne

2008-05-13 22:48:46
635.   scooplew
I suggest that anyone interested in tasting the wonderful flavor of the great Brooklyn teams of the 1950s read Roger Kahn's "Memories of Summer," which was published about 10 years ago. It is not a sequel to his ground-breaking "The Boys of Summer," which came out in 1972, but it offers the reflections of an older Kahn as well as rich anecdotes about the players and his own relationship with his father. Highly recommended. To a Brooklyn native like me, who saw one game at Ebbets Field as a little boy in 1955, it is a special piece of writing.
2008-05-13 22:50:26
636.   Eric Stephen
Don't turn around, oh oh oh
KingKopitar's in town, oh oh oh
And if he talks to you then you'll know why
The more you live the faster you will die
2008-05-13 22:59:35
637.   Eric Stephen
So far, only 5 Dodgers that played in Brooklyn have received a total of 10 votes.
2008-05-13 23:04:31
638.   jasonungar07
Must Chime in.

Current favorite is Kemp.

All time list

1. Garvey
2. Piazza
3. Guerrero
4. Gibson
5. Sheffield

Sorry about Sheffield, but when he hit, my butt was in front of the TV. As for Garvey, I know he is not a favorite, but he was my guy as a 6 to 11 year old.

2008-05-13 23:04:55
639.   KingKopitar
630 Okay, I was at that game then. I remember being mad because I wanted to watch Ramon pitch.

635 I'm sure that hilarious, but I confess that I have not one idea what that means. The closest I got was some sort of song about Pac-Man and it just made me really glad I missed the '80s.

2008-05-13 23:05:38
640.   Eric Enders
You're missing one of Koufax, Drysdale, Campanella, Snider, Hodges, or Roseboro.
2008-05-13 23:05:41
641.   ROC
Current
1.Kemp
2.Martin
3.Loney
4.LaRoche
5.DeWitt

All Time
1.Robinson
2.Burke
3.Mondesi
4.Beltre
5.Smith

2008-05-13 23:07:48
642.   Eric Enders
Wow, throwing out a Glenn Burke! That's the upset of the night so far.
2008-05-13 23:09:13
643.   Reddog
Current:
Kemp
Martin
DeWitt
Loney
Saito

All-Time - guys that I saw:
Koufax
Drysdale
Maury Wills
Garvey
Cey

2008-05-13 23:09:58
644.   preacherroe
Current favorites:
Loney
Kemp
Martin
Laroche
Delwyn Young

All time:
Tommy Davis
Wally Moon
Sandy Koufax
Ron Cey
Jackie Robinson

Honorable mention: Willie Davis,Junior Gilliam,Carl Furillo,Pete Reiser,Mike Marshall(the pitcher)Pedro Guerrero

least favorite:
T-Bone Shelby
Jeff Hamilton
Jason Grabowsky
Todd Hundley
Tom Neidenfuhr
Stan Williams

2008-05-13 23:11:17
645.   Strike4
Current
1. Saito
2. Garciaparra
3. Kent
4. Martin
5. Wade

All time
1. Sandy Koufax
2. Kirk Gibson
3. Steve Garvey
4. Mike Piazza
5. Wes Parker

2008-05-13 23:12:36
646.   ROC
You have to ask yourself, how many of times have you high-fived in your life?
2008-05-13 23:13:26
647.   ROC
...or left a random 'of' in a sentence.
2008-05-13 23:14:45
648.   Eric Stephen
640
Roseboro's 1957 escaped me.

638
I'm not counting your current list without 5 names.

2008-05-13 23:21:43
649.   Ladderkite
Current

1/ Martin
2/ Kemp
3/ Saito
4/ Loney
5/ Ethier

All Time

1/ Martin
2/ Valenzuela
3/ Bradley
4/ Piazza
5/ Gibson

2008-05-13 23:22:11
650.   jasonungar07
Kemp
Martin
Billingsley
Broxton
Loney
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2008-05-13 23:25:43
651.   Dodgers49
Current Dodgers
1) Kemp
2) Loney
3) Martin
4) Kuo
5) Ethier

All-Time Dodgers
1) Sandy Koufax
2) Don Newcombe
3) Jackie Robinson
4) Frank Howard
5) Willie Davis

2008-05-13 23:27:23
652.   Eric Enders
Seven Brooklyn Dodgers have now received votes. So have seven members of the 2005 Jacksonville Suns.
2008-05-13 23:28:03
653.   Eric Enders
And with 651 , Brooklyn storms past Jacksonville.
2008-05-13 23:28:15
654.   jasonungar07
5 least favorite..

Pierre
Karros
Strawberry
Bonilla
LoDuca

2008-05-13 23:38:30
655.   LoneStar7
Whens the final tally coming out?
2008-05-13 23:40:13
656.   Eric Stephen
655
Sometime after the start of the game tomorrow.
2008-05-13 23:42:23
657.   Eric Stephen
655
But I'll give you a sneak peak:

Loney has the most 4th place votes for current Dodgers, with seven. No one else has more than four.

Fernando has the most 5th place votes for all-time, with three.

34 total entries so far (and if bablue gets his all-time team in, a complete 34).

2008-05-13 23:47:29
658.   LoneStar7
654 LoDuca a least favorite?
2008-05-13 23:51:42
659.   Eric Enders
LoDuca was one of my favorites as a Dodger but he swiftly became one of my least favorite ex-Dodgers.
2008-05-14 00:01:58
660.   JJ42
Current:
1. Ethier
2. Martin
3. Loney
4. Furcal
5. Young

All Time:
1. Jackie Robinson
2. Sandy Koufax
3. Carl Erskine
4. Don Newcombe
5. Ramon Martinez (#48)

Honorable Mention:
Adrian Beltre, Wes Parker, Tommy Davis, Lou Johnson, Manny Mota, Tommy John, Milton Bradley, Hideo Nomo, Chan Ho Park, Mike Hartley*

*He autographed my ball when I was a kid on one of my first visits to Dodger Stadium.

2008-05-14 00:05:24
661.   sporky
Current:

1. Russell Martin
2. Chad Billingsley
3. Matt Kemp
4. Rafael Furcal
5. Andre Ethier (... I admit to being superficial)

All-time (that I can remember seeing)

1. Mike Piazza
2. Ramon Martinez
3. Russell Martin
4. Eric Karros
5. Adrian Beltre

Greg Maddux is my second favorite player, but not because of his tenure with the Dodgers. I'd name my kid Greg if my future husband will let me.

2008-05-14 00:11:16
662.   scooplew
Among the least fortunate:
Kal Daniels -- never reached expectations
Mike Marshall (outfielder) -- limitless potential
Larry Burright -- Difficult 1962 season that reached its nadir in third game of playoff vs. Giants
Sandy Vance -- With a name like that, one expected greatness
Don Zimmer -- Reese's backup for years, one fine year in 1958, then got hurt (and stopped hitting) and lost shortstop position to Wills in 1959
John Purdin -- Never matched late-season greatness in which he went 2-0, and, finally
Karl Spooner -- One of baseball's greatest season-ending performance, in 1954, followed by arm trouble that ended his season after 1955.
I could go on and on...
2008-05-14 00:21:18
663.   LoneStar7
659 piazza did for me as well, as he left..but I figured the opinions didn't include post dodger years
2008-05-14 00:37:08
664.   El Lay Dave
661 if my future husband will let me

Don't worry, you'll be telling him what to do.

2008-05-14 00:38:39
665.   El Lay Dave
615 Interesting omission.
2008-05-14 00:42:04
666.   Andrew Shimmin
Bill Plaschke.
2008-05-14 00:50:09
667.   Dodgers49
666 Plaschke is 666. That would never have occurred to me.
2008-05-14 00:54:47
668.   El Lay Dave
666 Current:
1. Russell Martin
2. The Bison
3. James Loney
4. Andre Ethier
5. Chad Billingsley

All-time (that I've seen):
1. Orel Hershiser
2. Fernando Valenzuela
3. Manny Mota
4. Bob Welch
5. Wes Parker

2008-05-14 00:55:59
669.   LoneStar7
[1 after 665] epic plaschke comment
2008-05-14 01:00:44
670.   Gilberto Reyes
Current Dodgers
Martin
Kemp
Loney
Saito
Kent

All-time
Dusty Baker
Reggie Smith
Bob Welch
Willie Davis
Mike Piazza

2008-05-14 01:03:05
671.   Andrew Shimmin
It's been awhile since Plaschke got any play, around here. I guess he's had his plate full, writing about the Lakers (and today, USC), recently.

I bet Andruw Jones will pick up some defenders, once Plaschke unleashes the fury on him.

2008-05-14 01:12:54
672.   bablue
657,

I can't Eric, like I said I haven't been a fan long enough.

2008-05-14 05:10:52
673.   D4P
Andy LaRoche has 9 walks in his last 4 games, including 7 over a 2 game stretch.
2008-05-14 05:21:19
674.   D4P
Interesting that both Annika Sorenstam and Justine Henin are (apparently) retiring.

I suspect they'll pull the typical celebrity/relatively young athlete retirement scam, where they get a bunch of publicity for retiring, then get a bunch more when they make their (predictable) "comeback". They'll miss the competition and/or the money, and won't be able to stay away from the game.

2008-05-14 05:58:01
675.   Ken Noe
I woke up grumpy this morning. How can you swing at the first pitch??? But, I forge ahead:

Current Dodgers:
Ethier
Kemp
Loney
Martin
Saito

All-Timers I Saw:
Lopes
Cey
Garvey
Piazza
Valenzuela

2008-05-14 06:32:30
676.   gpellamjr
626 Zeile was close to being on my list. Beltre barely beat him out.
2008-05-14 06:32:36
677.   Penarol1916
Current Dodgers:
Furcal
Kemp
Martin
Saito
Loney

All-Time Dodgers:
Pedro Guerrero
Jackie Robinson
Mike Scioscia
Fernando Valenzuela
Orel Hershiser

2008-05-14 06:33:36
678.   Marty
Current:
Kemp
Martin
Loney
Billingsley
LaRoche

All-Time:
Koufax
Drysdale
Fernando
Piazza
Welch

2008-05-14 06:38:13
679.   Sammy Maudlin
These are my current favorites:
Kent
Kuo
Saito
Loney
Martin

All-Time:
Mota, Manny
Smith,Reggie
Reuss,Jerry
Scioscia,Mike
Hershiser,Orel

2008-05-14 07:04:53
680.   Johnny Nucleo
Current:
Loney
Broxton
Billingsley
Kemp
DeWitt

All-time
Fernando
Greg Brock
Kirk Gibson
Orel
Pedro Guerrero

2008-05-14 07:10:37
681.   Eric Stephen
We're up to 43 entries through 680 !

672
bablue, would it be fair to include your current favorites as your all-time favorites as well?

2008-05-14 07:13:34
682.   Terry A
Having read the morning stories and sidebars, I have a question: Why is it that Garciaparra can shut it down after some "lingering calf tightness" and his "toughness" goes unquestioned -- despite Nomar's amazing record of fragility -- yet Tony Abreu's slowness in recovering from abdominal surgery -- surgery, like, where they cut you open and poke around at your sundry internal goods and all -- is seen as a pock mark on his character and integrity?

Also: While typing the above grammatical nightmare, I initially typed "Norman" instead of "Nomar." I think I like "Norman" better.

2008-05-14 07:20:37
683.   delias man
Current
Kemp
Loney
Chad
Martin
Broxton

All Time
Beltre
Nomo
Piazza
Sheffield
Lima

2008-05-14 07:23:59
684.   Bob Timmermann
682
I think you're making an assumption that Nomar Garciaparra is allowed more leeway in his rehab from injury.

The good people of Boston certainly didn't care much for Nomar's shenanigans.

2008-05-14 07:24:52
685.   MichaelB
Current:
Kemp
Martin
Billingsley
Loney
Laroche

All-time:
Hershiser
Piazza
Beltre
Gagne
Green

2008-05-14 07:30:13
686.   D4P
I coulda sworn we've done this "favorite Dodger" thing multiple times before...
2008-05-14 07:31:20
687.   Eric Stephen
Through 685 , there are 23 different favorite all-time Dodgers and 11 different favorite current Dodgers.
2008-05-14 07:31:55
688.   Eric Stephen
686
Not officially!
2008-05-14 07:37:20
689.   ToyCannon
686
Not nearly as many times as you've reminded us how you were against A Jones from the beginning.
2008-05-14 07:40:10
690.   Eric Stephen
665 ,689
I too was surprised to not see Jimmy Wynn on your list.
2008-05-14 07:40:59
691.   okdodge
current:
Kemp
Loney
Martin
Furcal
Bills

all time:
Kirk Gibson
Orel
Piazza
Raul Mondesi
Hideo Nomo

I'm too young to remember Fernando mania, but I do remember when Nomo came up.

2008-05-14 07:41:06
692.   ToyCannon
665
The mighty one is on my all time list of favorite players but he can't crack a top 5 of favorite all time Dodgers because of one great season. Otherwise it would be populated with Gibby, Toy, and Grabarkewitz. I'm sure when we did the poll before Toy made the list, but the list is a fickle thing.

HOF Sutton not getting much play here. I liked Bob's pick of Messersmith.

2008-05-14 07:42:49
693.   D4P
Not nearly as many times as you've reminded us how you were against A Jones from the beginning

The Maker of Rules baited me. He even admitted so himself.

2008-05-14 07:46:04
694.   madmac
659 that's exactly how I feel about LoDuca
2008-05-14 07:49:27
695.   Ricardo
Current
Kemp
Loney
Bills
Martin
Furcal

All-Time

Beltre
Gagne
Saenz
Maddux
Lima

2008-05-14 07:53:20
696.   MC Safety
649 Another Milton Bradley fan!
2008-05-14 07:57:00
697.   madmac
622 my memory of Offerman was that he could make a spectacular defensive play from time to time, but he wasn't consitent enough with the routine plays. Also that he didn't like to bunt.
2008-05-14 08:00:48
698.   D4P
BTW: I take no kind of "credit" for opposing the Jones signing. I thought it should have been obvious he shouldn't be signed, and claim no special prescience or player evaluation skills.
2008-05-14 08:08:53
699.   ToyCannon
Seemed obvious to me that he should be signed and I'm not humble enough not to claim I have no special prescience or player evaluation skills.
2008-05-14 08:11:08
700.   cryptic
CURRENT:
Kemp
Loney
Laroche
Martin
Billingsley

ALL TIME:
Sax
Beltre
Mondesi
Orel
Cey

DISLIKED:
Niedenfuer
Karros
Ashley
Shaw
Offerman

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2008-05-14 08:13:26
701.   D4P
699
Wow: a triple negative.
2008-05-14 08:19:44
702.   Bluebleeder87
Bluebleeders list:

Martin
Saito
Kuo
Broxton
Kemp

Orel
Valenzuela
Pena
Mondesi
Guerrero

2008-05-14 08:20:08
703.   Physics DR
Current:
Kent
DeWitt
Martin
Furcal
Ethier

All-TIME
Duke Snider
Jackie Robinson
Don Drysdale
Mike Scioscia
Mike Pizza

All-time all-time favorite baseball player since the Big Bang!!

DUKE SNIDER

2008-05-14 08:20:17
704.   ToyCannon
Loving the Beltre love. I never would have guessed having read this site for so long that so many would have Beltre as one of their top 5.

The biggest shock so far was Andrew with Hollandsworth. I'd have lost a lot of money betting on who his top Dodger was.

2008-05-14 08:20:25
705.   invisibleman
Current:
Saito
Martin
Kemp
Bills
Pee Wee Young

All time:
Piazza
Jackie Robinson
Kirk Gibson
Scioscia
Fernando Valenzuela

2008-05-14 08:24:43
706.   Bluebleeder87
I was gonna add Chan-Ho Park when he 1st came up but opted not too (honorable mention I guess)
2008-05-14 08:28:08
707.   cargill06
did anyone else have a gut feeling that JP was gonna hit his 1st career HR as a dodger last night off gagne?

unfortunately, my gut failed me.

2008-05-14 08:28:45
708.   MC Safety
All-Time Most Hated Dodgers

Jeff Kent
Juan Pierre
Shea Hillenbrand
Jason Phillips
Bomko

2008-05-14 08:30:34
709.   cargill06
what's the deal with lucas may? he hasn't played since sunday and it was only 1 PA
2008-05-14 08:38:52
710.   Sagehen
Before I list my current favorites, let me just defend myself by saying that these are guys I like, which is very different from arguing that they should be in the starting lineup (although Ethier does). In one case, past history with another team figures in. In another, I just like watching the guy's style of play (exept when he's disabling other players). With that said:

Current Favorites:
1. Ethier
2. Nomar
3. DeWitt
4. Repko
5. Loney

All-Time Favorites:
1. Koufax
2. Ron Cey
3. Tommy John
4. Orel Hershiser
5. Hideo Nomo

I could easily put Campy and Pee Wee on that list but, except for Sandy, went with the players I've seen because they're the ones that make my heart go pitter patter with happy memories.

A favorites list is very different from a "best" list.

2008-05-14 08:48:33
711.   regfairfield
704 I wasn't always a cynical jerk.
2008-05-14 08:50:02
712.   DodgerBakers
Current Favorites:
1. Martin
2. Kemp
3. Loney
4. Billingsley
5. Ethier

All-Time Favorites (that I remember)
1. Hershiser
2. Russell Martin
3. Scioscia
4. Beltre
5. Nomo

Most Hated Dodgers
1. Gott (My grandfather would always go "THEY BROUGHT IN GOTT!? I don't really have too much against the guy, but will hate him in deference to the memory of my grandfather.)
2. Pierre (I guess, but he seems like a nice guy, so I don't really hate him. Maybe dislike his style of play, but not hate)
3. Ned (Do GM's count? I missed the rules)

can't think of any more that I really dislike.

2008-05-14 08:52:29
713.   gcrl
current faves:
1. matt kemp
2. russell martin
3. james loney
4. jonathan broxton
5. nomar (for sentimental reasons)

all time faves (post 78):
1. garvey
2. gibson
3. cey
4. hershiser
5. piazza

all time least favorite (again, post 78 otherwise marichal would be at the top of the list)
1. daryl strawberry
2. bobby bonilla
3. jeff kent
4. jody reed
5. dave goltz (not that it's his fault, but he never should have left minnesota)

2008-05-14 08:54:17
714.   Physics DR
Jeff Kent Dis-likers

In great humor, I wrote a short poem for all those people on this site who dis-like Jeff Kent.

However it broke all 12 of Jon's rules so I will keep it to myself. It is funny.

Jeff Kent fan

2008-05-14 09:00:07
715.   Axim
709 I think he got hit with a pitch in that one PA. I haven't read anything about his status, but it can't be good if he hasn't played since.
2008-05-14 09:07:37
716.   ToyCannon
That would only be two games he's missed.
2008-05-14 09:07:57
717.   El Lay Dave
714 Plus it didn't fit in the margins?
2008-05-14 09:08:47
718.   regfairfield
712 Amazing how two peoples perceptions can be entirely different for the same player, I loved Jim Gott. Antonio Osuna on the other hand...

On that subject: least favorite Dodgers

Darryl Strawberry
Mark Hendrickson
Gary Sheffield
Antonio Osuna
Kaz Ishii

2008-05-14 09:11:04
719.   underdog
I hate to join an already loud chorus but can I just say that I hate MLB TV?

I wanted to watch yesterday's games in the archives when I came home late last night, but they didn't have it. In fact, none of the games were available in the archives -- except the late West Coast games(!) and this morning still the same. So I gave up and tried to watch the daily rewind recap, the highlights that MLB TV combines, and of course the audio problems for MLB TV clips if you have a Mac prevents me from listening to anything other than loud static.

And then I saw that they lost anyway so that put me in a worse mood, except for I guess the small comfort in knowing that at least I didn't waste my time watching the archives of a frustrating game.

Grrrrrrr.

What a fantastic catch by Hu, though!

2008-05-14 09:11:18
720.   Ken Noe
Here in the south we have a tradition of dead people voting. In that spirit, my grandmother's all-time favorites really were:

Koufax
Robinson
Campy
Valenzuela
Dusty Baker

2008-05-14 09:15:01
721.   underdog
Holy hairball, Batman, there's a lot of comments to catch up on here.
2008-05-14 09:15:26
722.   kinbote
721 I believe comment 721 is the perfect place to quietly say this is a poorly run organization that isn't likely to see success until Colletti departs.
2008-05-14 09:15:39
723.   Daniel Zappala
Current:
Kemp
Loney
Martin
Billingsley (to be replaced by Kershaw)
Dewitt (to be replaced by LaRoche)

All-Time:
Reggie Smith
Orel Hershiser
Pedro Guerrero
Mike Scoiscia
Tommy John

2008-05-14 09:15:51
724.   Ken Noe
714 There once was a Dodger named Kent
That DePo decided to rent
His batting was noble
His fielding immobile
His talent now seems all but spent
2008-05-14 09:16:56
725.   Daniel Zappala
I was very tempted to put Tom Niedenfuer on my list.
2008-05-14 09:17:25
726.   Eric Stephen
710
No need to apologize or justify your picks!! Everyone has their reasons for their own picks, it's cool.

Now we just know you're the crazy one that likes Repko! :)

2008-05-14 09:17:52
727.   Daniel Zappala
723 I could also go with Fernando over Tommy John.
2008-05-14 09:18:13
728.   Daniel Zappala
Picking just 5 is way too hard.
2008-05-14 09:19:11
729.   kinbote
Or comment 722. Curses!
2008-05-14 09:20:37
730.   gcrl
725
i still remember a fantastic letter to the editor circa 1985 (i may be paraphrasing, but you get the idea):

i won't be naming names
but there is a certain pitcher
we neidenfuer games

2008-05-14 09:21:24
731.   kinbote
Is Jon playing Hot Wheels? :)
2008-05-14 09:21:43
732.   MC Safety
What makes people wanna get behind Jeff Kent?
2008-05-14 09:22:15
733.   underdog
1) Who are your top 5 favorite current Dodgers?

1) Martin
2) Sammy Saito
3) Loney
4) Bison
5) Bills
6) Pee Wee! :-)

2) Who are your top 5 favorite Dodgers of all time? (going back as far as I go back)

1) Ron Cey
2) Fernando
3) Orel H
4) Russell Martin
5) Steve Howe :-( + Pedro Guerrero (tied)

Before my time:
1) Jackie Robinson
2) Sandy Koufax

2008-05-14 09:23:52
734.   underdog
729 Sorry! I'll sell you the comment 721 space for $50 though. ;-)
2008-05-14 09:24:14
735.   Ken Noe
And then you have Juan D. Pierre
We can than Ned Colletti he's there
With a runner on third
He swings like a bird
And hits the ball straight up in the air
2008-05-14 09:24:19
736.   D4P
Holy hairball, Batman, there's a lot of comments to catch up on here

You didn't miss much. Just a buncha lists of current and former Dodgers, with a lot of overlap.

2008-05-14 09:26:08
737.   LogikReader
I'll preface my rankings with the caveat that I had to actually watch them play live to really qualify them on either list... so with that in mind:

Favorite All-Time Dodgers:

Gagne
Green
Beltre
Izturis (on defense)
Piazza

Favorite Current Dodgers:

Kemp (kemp! kemp!)
Martin
Loney
Bills
DeWitt <-- I can't resist. The Solution!!

2008-05-14 09:27:41
738.   underdog
Kudos to Tony Jax, I suppose, for not being afraid to criticize JP even though he's frequently been a defender. I'm now glad I didn't see the game.

"How does Juan Pierre pop up on the FIRST PITCH from Eric Gagne immediately after Andruw Jones worked Gagne for a 10-pitch walk? With the tying runs on base? I mean, Gagne has been struggling, blowing five of his first 14 save opps, and he already has thrown 22 pitches in the inning, including 18 just to Martin and Jones. Don't you have to at least take ONE PITCH, maybe even two? But then, what do I know? I've never played this game. Only covered it for 14 years"

2008-05-14 09:28:11
739.   MC Safety
Hilarious, Ken.
2008-05-14 09:29:14
740.   Physics DR
732

Well, actually it is very hard to get behind Jeff Kent!

Do we have the slowest infield in the majors?

We are much faster in the outfield and catching.

2008-05-14 09:34:16
741.   kinbote
734 I've been Underdogged. [BTW, how do you do that cool TM sign above a word?]
2008-05-14 09:35:16
742.   bigvanchris
Current

Kemp
Martin
Penny
Broxton
Kuo

All Time (Only who I've seen play)

Gagne
Green
Mondesi
Piazza
Beltre

2008-05-14 09:37:42
743.   sporky
724 That was great.
2008-05-14 09:40:05
744.   Eric Stephen
741
Type an ampersand (&) followed by "trade" with a semi-colon (;)

& + trade + ; (but with no spaces or plus signs) = ™

2008-05-14 09:40:51
745.   Eric Stephen
744
Also replace "trade" with:

copy = ©
reg = ®

2008-05-14 09:43:13
746.   Jon Weisman
Current:
Takashi Saito
Russell Martin
Matt Kemp
James Loney
(This space available for a minor leaguer.)

All-Time:
Pedro Guerrero
Pedro Astacio
R.J. Reynolds
Jackie Robinson
Sandy Koufax
Fernando Valenzuela
Orel Hershiser
Manny Mota
Reggie Smith
Raul Mondesi

(Take the top five if you have to for balloting purposes, but I can't leave those other names off.)

2008-05-14 09:43:28
747.   Eric Stephen
We are sitting at 58 entries through bigvanchris in 742 . This is the largest poll in Eric Stephen Dodger Thoughts Poll Counting® history!
2008-05-14 09:43:29
748.   Daniel Zappala
I'm going to revise my list now that I know LaRoche is eligible:

Current:
Kemp
Loney
Martin
Billingsley
LaRoche

All-Time:
Reggie Smith
Orel Hershiser
Pedro Guerrero
Mike Scoiscia
Fernando Valenzuela

2008-05-14 09:44:45
749.   kinbote
Thanks for the Stephening™
2008-05-14 09:45:15
750.   underdog
There once was a team that was streaky
Rooting for them got rather freaky
The GM said stay the course:
"We'll ride this talented horse"
But right now the roster seems rather leaky.
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2008-05-14 09:46:40
751.   TopCat
™ It works!
2008-05-14 09:47:01
752.   Eric Stephen
746
When Bill James writes his 60th book, "Whatever Happened to the Dodger Thoughts Poll?", he will lament that [insert player here] didn't finish higher because he only lacked one measly 5th place vote! :)
2008-05-14 09:49:56
753.   RELX
Top 5 Current Faves

Kemp
Loney
Ethier
Martin
Broxton

All Time

Bob Welch
Reggie Smith
Mike Scioscia
Jerry Reuss
Pedro Guerrero

2008-05-14 09:50:37
754.   fanerman
Fav 5's? When we resort to listing our 5 favorite Dodgers in T-Mobile fashion, we as a society have taken a step backwards.

Current
1) Bison
2) Loney
3) Golden God
4) Ethier
5) Kuo

Non-Current (but I've been around to actually watch)
1) Piazza
2) Green
3) Hideo
4) Beltre
5) tie between Brett Butler and Orel, even though I only saw both on reunion tours

2008-05-14 09:52:08
755.   Daniel Zappala
Did nobody mention Charlie Hough?
2008-05-14 09:52:15
756.   ToyCannon
724
That was great

I liked Jon's list and he how he sneaked 10 on it.

Is it any surprise that everyone is having fun except for one person?

The Shimmin gets comment of the day for me with his precise placement on 666.

2008-05-14 09:52:30
757.   kinbote
751 Now I just need to learn the differences among the three signs. I'm guessing there are some subtle nuances involved.
2008-05-14 09:53:38
758.   ImprobableImpossible
Today:
Matt Kemp
Russell Martin
Takashi Saito
Rafael Furcal
Andre Ethier

Yesterday:
Orel Hershiser
Pedro Guerrero
Mike Piazza
Eric Gagne
Steve Yeager

2008-05-14 09:54:04
759.   bhsportsguy
Paula Marshall fans rejoice, CBS picked up her sitcom pilot.

I guess they thought there was nothing wrong with it.

2008-05-14 09:54:29
760.   kinbote
756 It's far too soon to be naming a Dodger Thoughts Comment of the Day®. There's still a lot of high numbers left!
2008-05-14 09:55:05
761.   Eric Stephen
756
Is it any surprise that everyone is having fun except for one person?

Who is not having fun?

2008-05-14 10:01:49
762.   underdog
Darn, is it too late to add Mike Scioscia to my all time list?

---

It's funny, a few years ago, I would've thought Eric Gagne would make my list of favorite Dodgers. Right now, just for a day at least, he's very far from that. In fact, I want to hurt him.

2008-05-14 10:03:51
763.   Eric Stephen
762
Gagne was a tough omission for me. I liked him in his pre-closer days, ever since his stellar major league debut in Florida. I still root for him to do well, just not this "weekend" (Tuesday-Thursday to the layperson).
2008-05-14 10:05:43
764.   Bob Timmermann
759
That explains the lack of a NPUT. Jon is beside himself with joy.
2008-05-14 10:06:18
765.   underdog
Did y'all know that Andy LaRoche has 16 walks in 14 games so far for Las Vegas (and only 3Ks)? Neat.

Still got that ultra high OPS: 1,105.

2008-05-14 10:06:58
766.   Telemachos
Current 5:

Kemp
Martin
Loney
Ethier
Furcal
(Saito - honorable mention)

Past 5:
Hershiser
Scioscia
Piazza
Mondesi
Sax
(Mike Marshall (!!))

2008-05-14 10:07:23
767.   Jon Weisman
764 - I am happy for her, and it is the TV scheduling announcements that are keeping me from a new post.
2008-05-14 10:07:28
768.   ToyCannon
His name has been mentioned here a few times. Who was the 1st Dodger to hit 30 home runs and steal 20 bases? No cheating
2008-05-14 10:07:41
769.   Jon Weisman
Plus, I figured I'd let Eric's poll run its course.
2008-05-14 10:07:45
770.   D4P
Is Paula Marshall the woman who played the journalist who though Jerry and George were gay lovers...?
2008-05-14 10:08:29
771.   Eric Stephen
We are up to 62 entries. Off the top of my head, here are some notable commenters who haven't yet weighed in:

trainwreck
Icaros
D4P
JoeyP
bryanf
cargill06
Vishal
scareduck
Branch Rickey
NPUT
LAT

2008-05-14 10:08:44
772.   underdog
768 - Was it Mondesi?
2008-05-14 10:09:47
773.   underdog
NPUT is a commenter? Is it like the annoying imaginary friend "Not Me" in many a hilarious Family Circus cartoon?
2008-05-14 10:09:51
774.   Bob Timmermann
770
Yes, she was the one.
2008-05-14 10:11:53
775.   D4P
774
I liked that episode. I remember thinking Paula was a nice-looking young lass.
2008-05-14 10:12:49
776.   Eric Stephen
773
I just wanted to give LAT his due.
2008-05-14 10:13:37
777.   Gen3Blue
Did Lopes hit 30 one year?
2008-05-14 10:14:33
778.   kinbote
Even though I'm not notable [yet!], here are mine:

Top 5 favorite current Dodgers:

1. Martin
2. Ethier
3. Loney
4. Kemp
5. Kuo

Top 5 favorite Dodgers of all time:

1. Dusty Baker
2. Mike Piazza
3. Orel Hershiser
4. Franklin Stubbs
5. Mike Marshall [not the pitcher]

2008-05-14 10:14:33
779.   Bob Timmermann
Paula Marshall used to be young. Now she's my age.
2008-05-14 10:14:57
780.   Eric Stephen
768
I'm guessing Reggie Smith, with a backup guess of Mondesi.
2008-05-14 10:15:17
781.   Gen3Blue
I'm sorry but for some reason today I can't make the hard choices a list would entail today.
2008-05-14 10:15:26
782.   underdog
In case this wasn't posted before, story on Meloan adjusting to being a starter (and faring pretty well these days):

http://www.lvrj.com/sports/18887689.html

2008-05-14 10:15:29
783.   D4P
Paula Marshall used to be young. Now she's my age

I hate it when that happens...

2008-05-14 10:17:39
784.   Bob Timmermann
Actually, Paula Marshall is a few months older than me.
2008-05-14 10:18:04
785.   ToyCannon
No
No
No
No
He had the best smile ever, not one of those moody great guys.
2008-05-14 10:21:44
786.   Eric Stephen
785
I looked it up (sometimes I need a tudor); he probably should have been my #5. Maybe I should have split my vote 3 ways.
2008-05-14 10:22:12
787.   Eric Stephen
784
Cougar alert!
2008-05-14 10:24:28
788.   wronghanded
All-Time:
Hershiser
Gibson (he's the reason I started playing baseball)
Guerrero
Piazza
Mondesi

Current:
Kemp
Loney
Martin
Billingsley
DeWitt

2008-05-14 10:26:00
789.   underdog
785 - The best smile? Andruw Jones? :-/

Oh wait, it's Pedro the Warrior isn't it?

I know Shawn Green was the first to do 30-30.

2008-05-14 10:27:29
790.   Bob Timmermann
773
I once did a search in the Historical LA Times database for "Marmaduke" and "funny" and got zero results.
2008-05-14 10:27:53
791.   Eric Stephen
There have been "current" votes for 18 players from the current 25-man roster (hint: Troy in West Virginia hasn't voted). Furcal & LaRoche have also received votes.

Also, 26 different Dodgers have received "all-time" 1st place votes.

2008-05-14 10:27:56
792.   Gen3Blue
789 I Think you beat me to it.
2008-05-14 10:29:26
793.   ToyCannon
789
The clue was to easy. Anyone remember Pedro playing CF? Once upon a time he could run, but he could never slide.
2008-05-14 10:30:28
794.   Eric Stephen
789
Mondesi is the only Dodger to do 30-30.
2008-05-14 10:30:34
795.   underdog
790 I believe you'd have the same result if you searched for "Family Circus" and "hilarious", too.

"And it's always there, in the lower right hand corner, just waiting to suck."

(From "Go")

2008-05-14 10:32:08
796.   underdog
794 - Right, right, Green did it when he was with the Blue Jays.

Man, Raul was such an incredible talent, a shooting star that crash-landed too early.

2008-05-14 10:32:16
797.   Gen3Blue
Early on Pedro could motor, but its hard to remember him that way.
2008-05-14 10:33:15
798.   LogikReader
I forgot, did we ever make 1000 posts on a DT thread?
2008-05-14 10:33:36
799.   ToyCannon
Green did 30-30 with the BlueJays. He did however do 40-20 with the Dodgers and came close to making it 50-20.
2008-05-14 10:36:44
800.   Eric Stephen
My favorite HR/SB season is a cross between Eric Davis 1986 (27/80) or Rickey Henderson 1986 (28/87).

Davis might get the nod because he followed that with a 37/50 season in 1987.

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2008-05-14 10:38:47
801.   berkowit28
767 (Jon) it is the TV scheduling announcements that are keeping me from a new post

Are you writing TV scheduling announcements? Or articles that refer to or depend on them? Or just reading them?

798 (1000 posts?) Yes. But I'm not going to check when that was.

2008-05-14 10:39:07
802.   Jon Weisman
798 - Here's the record.

https://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/522658.html

2008-05-14 10:40:07
803.   D4P
Other non-funny comics that I remember reading as a kid in the Sunday paper include:

1. Prince Valiant
2. Those two similar ones called something like "Rex Morgan" or "Rex Hudson" or something

I never got the jokes.

2008-05-14 10:40:39
804.   Jon Weisman
801 - I'm editing and writing for the L.A. Screenings section, which relates to international sales of U.S. series.
2008-05-14 10:41:23
805.   Eric Stephen
We had a 1601-comment post on 9/28/06, and a 1083-comment post a week later during Game 3 against the Mets.
2008-05-14 10:44:50
806.   kinbote
Yikes. I forgot Gibby & Scioscia (I almost put Mike Davis just for the walk).
2008-05-14 10:45:54
807.   Eric Stephen
806
BTW, I didn't mean to exclude you in 771 . For some reason I thought you already voted.
2008-05-14 10:49:20
808.   Axim
Christmas Present:
Kemp
Martin
Loney
Bills
LaRoche

Christmas Past:
Gagne
Beltre
Piazza
Pedro Martinez
Edwin Jackson

2008-05-14 10:52:43
809.   underdog
Right now the Dodgers don't deserve a new post up top! We should just keep going here 'til either a) the Dodgers finally win again or b) the Toaster implodes.

Or not.

2008-05-14 10:53:06
810.   bryanf
This was actually a lot harder than I thought it would be...

Current Favorites:
1. Martin
2. Ethier
3. Loney
4. Kemp
5. DeWitt

All-Time Favorites:
1. Koufax (never saw him play though...)
2. Kirk
3. Orel
4. Karros
5. Piazza

2008-05-14 10:53:26
811.   Eric Stephen
809
The "playoff beard" of blog commenting, if you will. I like it.
2008-05-14 10:54:17
812.   kinbote
807 NoHarmDone©
2008-05-14 10:59:20
813.   kinbote
811 "Playoff beards? Playoff beards!?! You're talking about the playoff beards?!?"
2008-05-14 11:06:32
814.   okdodge
771 I apire to one day be considered notable, until then I'll just settle for mediocrity, kinda like the Giants.
2008-05-14 11:07:09
815.   kinbote
Here's an interesting excerpt from Larry Stone, who writes about the Mariners for the Seattle Times:

There were, indeed, analysts who predicted this team was dangerously overrated, that it wasn't the "one piece away" that the Bedard trade suggested — that the Mariners were, basically, a disaster waiting to happen. And they had the statistical evidence to back it up.

Kudos to them, most of whom come, it must be said, from a sabermetric bent, looking at the vast storehouse of numbers in nontraditional ways. And shame on me, who bought into the popular wisdom that last year's 88-win record plus this year's addition of Bedard equaled a championship run.

2008-05-14 11:08:27
816.   Icaros
Since Eric made me feel wanted, though I find it hard to rank this type of thing...

Current: Bison, Russell the Muscle, J-Lo, Taiwanese Bat Flip, Andy LaRoche (not enough ML time for a nickname)

Former: Gibson, Sax, Scioscia, Guerrero, Cey

2008-05-14 11:09:41
817.   D4P
Andy LaRoche (not enough ML time for a nickname)

See: Minotaur, The

2008-05-14 11:11:52
818.   Icaros
817

See: Exist, Doesn't

2008-05-14 11:13:31
819.   GMac In The 909
Current Favorites:
1. Russell Martin
2. Matt Kemp
3. James Loney
4. Rafael Furcal
5. Andre Ethier

All-Time Favorites:
1. Mike Piazza
2. Kirk Gibson
3. Orel Hershiser
4. Brett Butler
5. Mike Scioscia

Most Disliked:
1. Delino DeShields
2. Brett Tomko
3. Kevin Brown
4. Wilton Guerrero (why, oh why didn't they sign your brother instead?)
5. (and climbing after at-bats like last night) Juan Pierre

2008-05-14 11:14:10
820.   Eric Stephen
814
To be clear, you weren't listed because you already voted.
2008-05-14 11:14:12
821.   Disabled List
771 Sigh. Eric Stephen doesn't think I'm notable.

Current:
Kemp
Brox
Bills
Martin
Loney

All-time:
Kenny Landreaux
Mike Scioscia
Pedro Guerrero
Mike Piazza
Orel Hershiser
General Soreness

2008-05-14 11:18:04
822.   kinbote
So I'm halfway through "Tristram Shandy: A Cock and Bull Story" and I'm finding it rather amusing. I recognize one of the actors (Steve Coogan) from a movie I watched at warp speed on my DVR ("24 Hour Party People").

Is this guy the English Christopher Guest? If so, what is his best movie? I'm aware he's done a lot of TV work, but I'm more interested in his movies.

Xeifrank, you don't need to respond :)

2008-05-14 11:18:55
823.   blue22
778 - Nice Stubbs pick.

I'm happy to see that at least 2 others liked Steve Sax as much as me too.

2008-05-14 11:19:59
824.   okdodge
820 Maybe to be super clear, your next poll could be current top 5 most notable commentators, or something to that effect. The whole poll thing is something usually reserved for the off season when there isn't much to be discussed, but it's been nice to read everybody's lists instead of working today, so carry on everyone, carry on.
2008-05-14 11:20:28
825.   Eric Stephen
I made an error earlier. There have actually only been 16 (not 18) of the current 25-man roster that have received votes. Furcal, LaRoche, Nomar, and Repko are the non 25-man players that have also received votes.
2008-05-14 11:21:15
826.   Disabled List
My list of most disliked Dodgers of all time begins and ends with Davey Johnson and Jack Clark. I still can't believe those two guys were ever allowed to wear the uniform.
2008-05-14 11:21:21
827.   Eric Stephen
821
An egregious omission on my part! However, I was only looking at "active" posters. :)
2008-05-14 11:23:27
828.   Xeifrank
822. No problem. I'm having off and on trouble loading this huge thread on the computer I am using anyways. See ya next thread. :) vr, Xei
2008-05-14 11:23:59
829.   Penarol1916
790. Have you ever seen the blog for Joe Mathlete Explains Today's Marmaduke? It's not updated all that often but it is very funny.
2008-05-14 11:26:25
830.   Disabled List
827 That's what I get for being slammed at work two days in a row. Out of sight, out of mind...

I gotta figure out some way to balance this work thing better so it doesn't interfere with my DT posting.

2008-05-14 11:30:04
831.   Inside Baseball
Current Favorites:
1. Matt Kemp
2. Russell Martin
3. Takashi Saito
4. James Loney
5. Jonathan Broxton

All-Time Favorites:
1. Pedro Guerero
2. Jackie Robinson
3. Sandy Koufax
4. Mike Piazza
3. Eric Gagne

2008-05-14 11:31:59
832.   Bob Timmermann
822

I have a friend who really likes Steve Coogan (poster grandcosmo). He could tell you chapter and verse about what to see.

2008-05-14 11:35:47
833.   JoeyP
5 Current Favorite Dodgers:
Russell Martin
Matt Kemp
Brad Penny
Jonathan Broxton
Hong Chi Kuo

5 All-Time Favorite Dodgers:
Milton Bradley
JD Drew
Gary Sheffield
Eric Gagne
Mike Piazza

2008-05-14 11:36:03
834.   underdog
822 I love Steve Coogan. Those -- Tristram Shandy and 24 Hour Party People -- are probably his best films. He was also in an amusing British show satirizing talk show hosts, "I'm Alan Partridge," and "Knowing Me Knowing You" (though i always got the feeling those were funnier if you were British). He had an amusing self-parodying role in Jarmusch's Coffee and Cigarettes. He was really good in the terrible Around the World in 80 Days remake, and was amusing as Octavius the Roman (in miniature) in Night at the Museum. And then, yah, he's been in a lot of British TV comedy before doing more film work.
2008-05-14 11:36:46
835.   underdog
I should use the word "amusing" more often. That'd be amusing.

832 Or me!

2008-05-14 11:37:10
836.   Jon Weisman
832 - I think his next big role is the drama teacher in "Hamlet 2."
2008-05-14 11:38:45
837.   JoeyP
Actually, I'd replace Piazza with Orel.
2008-05-14 11:39:13
838.   StolenMonkey86
Current
Russell Martin
Matt Kemp
Andre Ethier
Chad Billingsley
Takashi Saito

All-Time
Jackie Robinson
Sandy Koufax
Orel Hershiser
Kirk Gibson
Mike Piazza

2008-05-14 11:40:38
839.   silverwidow
1. Martin
2. Billingsley
3. Kemp
4. LaRoche
5. Loney

My all-time fav would have to be Koufax (based on the legends). I can't really make a list after that.

2008-05-14 11:40:57
840.   bryanf
771 Woohoo! I'm notable! Anyway I posted my picks before I even realized that anyone was looking for me...
2008-05-14 11:43:19
841.   kinbote
834 Thanks. Do you happen to know if either of those shows are currently airing on BBC?
2008-05-14 11:45:59
842.   Eric Stephen
I should also note that ibleedbloo has yet to vote.
2008-05-14 11:46:35
843.   StolenMonkey86
771 - Not to whine, but I'm going to form my non-notables club. This is the last you'll hear of it.
2008-05-14 11:47:00
844.   bryanf
764 ...Paula Marshall was the "choreoanimator/porn star" that Jeremy was with a for a few episodes of Sports Night I believe. I loved that show.
2008-05-14 11:48:19
845.   Bob Timmermann
844
Why do you think the show got cancelled?
2008-05-14 11:49:17
846.   kinbote
843 Will snacks be provided?
2008-05-14 11:51:30
847.   guy clinch
All time:
Hershiser
Nomo
Choi
Green
Alejandro Pena
2008-05-14 11:51:33
848.   fanerman
844 She makes dance steps for cartoon characters!
2008-05-14 11:52:03
849.   bryanf
845 Is that a trick question?

I think one reason the show got cancelled is because nobody "got it". The Sorkin formula clearly worked best in a White House setting where things were actually important instead of just television as his other two series showed. However, the cast on Sports Night was awesome and the writing was very fresh at the time.

2008-05-14 11:52:45
850.   bryanf
849 To be fair, I never watched it while it was on...I fell in love with the show when it reran on Comedy Central.....
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2008-05-14 11:53:11
851.   Bob Timmermann
849
Actually the question was:
1) rhetorical
2) smart-alecky
3) likely to get me in trouble with Jon
2008-05-14 11:53:53
852.   bryanf
851 So I was close.
2008-05-14 11:56:25
853.   Daniel Zappala
851 I got it the first time because I had read Wikipedia about her when she was first mentioned. I find that mastery of Wikipedia is essential to understanding Bob.
2008-05-14 11:58:25
854.   bryanf
853 Oh yeah! That's right...I actually have read that but I was not in the right frame of mind. Thanks for helping me understand Bob better... ;)
2008-05-14 11:59:15
855.   Jon Weisman
851 - Three for three!
2008-05-14 11:59:55
856.   Bill Crain
Current:
Kershaw
Loney
Saito

All time:
Koufax
Fernando
Willie Davis

2008-05-14 12:02:49
857.   Eric Stephen
856
Kershaw is not eligible. Do you want your vote to be Loney 1, Saito 2?
2008-05-14 12:03:05
858.   underdog
841 I don't think so, no.
Doesn't appear to have anything on anytime soon:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0176869/nowshowing

You can rent or buy some of them on DVD, though.

I can't wait for Hamlet 2!

They should've called it Hamlet 2: The Quickening.

2008-05-14 12:05:08
859.   BlueCrew Bruin
Current
Russell Martin
Matt Kemp
Takashi Saito
James Loney
Rafael Furcal

All-Time
Orel Hershiser
Pedro Guererro
Fernando Valenzuela
Mike Piazza
General Soreness

Hororable Mention goes to Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale and Jakie Robinson but I just wanted to stick to guys I saw play.

2008-05-14 12:05:30
860.   underdog
Jon, what do you know about "Fear Itself"? (The series, not the FDR quote)
I'm looking forward to it!
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=42518
2008-05-14 12:07:17
861.   Eric Enders
It's surprising that of the Mike Marshalls, more votes have gone to General Soreness than the Cy Young winner/mad scientist.
2008-05-14 12:07:45
862.   old dodger fan
Current Favorites
Kemp
Martin
Furcal
Saito
Billingsley

All time
Koufax
Drysdale
Orel
Piazza
Fernando

I wish I could have 6. Gagne belongs in that group; I just could not figure out who to exclude.

2008-05-14 12:07:46
863.   Reddog
So does anyone know why the Dodgers are referred to as "the Bums"?
2008-05-14 12:08:00
864.   Daniel Zappala
857 Kershaw would likely have been on a lot of lists if the rules had been different.
2008-05-14 12:08:47
865.   Eric Stephen
864
Including mine.
2008-05-14 12:09:24
866.   BlueCrew Bruin
859 Hmm...that should say "Honorable". "Hororable" mention goes to...nah, too easy.
2008-05-14 12:10:11
867.   blue22
846 - I was told there'd be punch and pie.
2008-05-14 12:11:44
868.   bryanf
Last time I was at the game I saw a guy with a Dodgers jersey that had "Scully" as the name on the back. I thought that was genius. I think we'd all agree he's our all-time #1....but I understand the rules.
2008-05-14 12:11:47
869.   Eric Stephen
861
Have you seen any for the pitching Mike Marshall? Perhaps my tallying skills have eroded, but I only count two votes and they are both for the OF (I believe there was a non-counted 6th place vote for him as well).
2008-05-14 12:22:34
870.   Eric Enders
869 No, I haven't. That's what I found curious.

863 Because they were terrible in the 1930s so their own fans started calling them that. What at first was a pejorative nickname became a term of endearment, particularly after cartoonist Willard Mullin of the New York World-Telegram created a lovable bum character that became very popular.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,868739,00.html

2008-05-14 12:29:18
871.   ryu
Current Favs
Saito
Furcal
Martin
Kemp
Loney

All Time Favs
Mike Piazza
Hideo Nomo
Tripp Cromer
Chad Fonville
Vin Scully

2008-05-14 12:33:20
872.   Jon Weisman
Okay, I'm going to reset the counter soon.
2008-05-14 12:34:43
873.   Eric Enders
There's something you'll never hear at Dodger Blues.
2008-05-14 12:41:04
874.   Jon Weisman
UT, NP
2008-05-14 12:43:27
875.   Eric Stephen
871
I'm not counting Scully.
2008-05-14 12:48:57
876.   Andrew Shimmin
875- Fascist.
2008-05-14 15:01:14
877.   Bill Crain
857
Sure, but I'm so far behind today it no longer matters.

Someone let me know if the American League decides to adopt that stupid DH Rule.

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