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Thursday Night TV Chat
2008-05-15 21:34
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

No spoilers ...

Comments
2008-05-15 21:55:40
1.   Daniel Zappala
Lost. Wow.
2008-05-15 21:58:32
2.   Greg Brock
Andy Bernard delenda est.
2008-05-15 21:58:35
3.   LogikReader
The Office! WOW!!!
2008-05-15 21:59:17
4.   Eric Stephen
"The real crime, I think, was the beard."
2008-05-15 21:59:19
5.   LogikReader
Greg stole my thunder or, shall we put it... pulled an Andy? hahahahaha... man that was good TV.
2008-05-15 22:00:06
6.   Greg Brock
Schrute!
2008-05-15 22:11:10
7.   KingKopitar
Once again, an amazing The Office episode completely overshadowed by a 20-second Creed clip that had nothing to do with the plot.
2008-05-15 22:12:39
8.   underdog
I laughed. I cried. The Office was great.

So how are we supposed to discuss things without spoilers?

Well, I'm watching Lost now, PST, so I can't spoil anything yet. Amazing how they showed how the whole thing was a dream that Hurley had after a bad meal, right in the first scene! What will they do to fill in the rest of the seasons?

2008-05-15 22:15:58
9.   Marty
The Office was the best episode of the year.
2008-05-15 22:29:16
10.   Jon Weisman
8 - Are you new here? :) You can discuss things after they've aired on the West Coast, just not before.

I loved tonight's Office episode. The Kevin subplot was their funniest of the year. And I was so excited for Jim and Pam, and so crushed when he had the proposal spotlight stolen away from him.

2008-05-15 22:31:22
11.   Jon Weisman
I don't like that Pam has doubts about Jim because he didn't propose, but I guess that's life.
2008-05-15 22:32:17
12.   Bob Timmermann
I don't think Pam is brimming with self-confidence.
2008-05-15 22:32:49
13.   Linkmeister
"You can discuss things after they've aired on the West Coast, just not before."

Hey!

2008-05-15 22:34:14
14.   Greg Brock
11 Forget it, Jake. It's The Office.

Way to go, Sun!

2008-05-15 22:34:43
15.   Jon Weisman
13 - You, yes, you have to wait.
2008-05-15 22:35:47
16.   Greg Brock
12 Pretty girls with low self esteem. Manna from heaven!
2008-05-15 22:41:46
17.   underdog
That's why we all love Pam. It's that cute sense of self doubt we can all relate to and hone in on. I love seeing Amy Ryan on the show, too, she's just excellent.

See Keane for another side of her.
Then see The Wire and Gone Baby Gone for another side of her.
And so on.

Ack, I'm missing Lost, it's back. Stop distracting me, people.

10 Sorry, I just wanted to play it cool. ;-) Didn't want to ruin things for Linkmeister.

2008-05-15 22:48:04
18.   KingKopitar
Yeah, the Kevin thing was hilarious because everything he said is something he would normally say but with a new twist. I didn't really get the whole Jan thing, but I loved the ice burn Jim laid on Ryan. Who wants to put money on Jim getting a job in New York?
2008-05-15 22:58:12
19.   bhsportsguy
But Jon, we know that the whole season would be about Jim and Pam getting married and we (fans) would stand for any potholes on that road. Obviously, Andy and Angela already has issues.

The Kevin subplot was great.

I wonder how long Amy Ryan stays on the show.

Jim has bad luck on even-numbered year finales.

2008-05-15 23:00:35
20.   Eric Stephen
The Office was great.

Regarding Lost, I didn't remember Jack's mom being so fetching.

2008-05-15 23:10:14
21.   Marty
The Oceanic woman on the transport is the woman who was the great forensic doctor on Homicide. Of course, names escape me.
2008-05-15 23:10:29
22.   Bob Timmermann
Jim has bad luck on even-numbered year finales.

Small sample size alert!

2008-05-15 23:11:42
23.   Eric Stephen
An awful lot of Ben's plans involve him getting the snot beaten out of him.
2008-05-15 23:12:10
24.   Bob Timmermann
21
Michele Forbes.

She's a friend of the Griddle.

I have a vivid imagination.

She was also the EVIL admiral in "Battlesta Galactica" and the White House aide who got tossed down a flight of stairs in "24" and plays Gabriel Byrne's put-upon wife in "In Treatment."

She also gave Elaine a big salad.

But George paid for it.

2008-05-15 23:16:31
25.   KG16
23 - they are good plans
2008-05-15 23:17:36
26.   KG16
maybe it's because there is so much happening, but it always seems like each episode of Lost does not really advance the story much.
2008-05-15 23:27:25
27.   Marty
She's also the "love" interest for Frank Whaley in Swimming With Sharks.
2008-05-15 23:52:16
28.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
Both shows (Office, Lost) were amazing tonight. I agree that the Kevin subplot was fantastic. Like, how would Dwight even realize how perfect that would turn out? I guess someone who actually watches Kevin's behavior from week to week realized how it could easily be confused that way... Fantastic.

Also, I thought that the new "Toby" was going to be gone by the end of the episode, or that the old Toby was going to try to plant one on Pam, but I was wrong on both counts...

I just love how Lost is keeping me guessing. They can spend half the show showing how the "Oceanic 6" arrive back to the U.S., and in the same episode, you have them end up in four different places, no closer to boarding the raft that will take them back to the rest of the world.

Who thinks that Desmond, Michael and Jin all buy it because of the explosives?

2008-05-15 23:57:38
29.   Eric Stephen
28
And if Jin dies in the explosives, is Charles Widmore the other (besides her father) Sun feels is responsible for Jin's death?
2008-05-16 00:16:09
30.   fanerman
Man I really hope Jin and Desmond don't die.
2008-05-16 00:20:20
31.   Dodger Tony
Clearly Jin does not die, if the episode where he delivers the large Panda bear is any indication. Somehow he has returned to Korea and does not realize that Sun is there as well, it appeared.
However, the question becomes which Jin and which death? I think the idea that none of the inhabitants of the Island can die, combined with the strange personality disorientation the occurs when certain individuals leave the Island, suggests the notion that the "game" that is being played, the cat and mouse between Linus and Whitmore, involves all of this current drama being played out again and possibly again in a recurrent reality. I suspect that this entire experience has been lived through before and is being re-experienced by Ben who can travel at will through time and space. This is supported by the secondary protocol manifest that was discovered last week which seems to have an exact knowledge of Ben's whereabouts and where he is at that exact moment.
In addition, the whispering "others", the invisible people or the long dead living beings who are led by the guy who came to test Locke as a boy (Dalai Lama reference)have been present yet unknowable from episode one, where Jack's father appears in the ocean alive.
Multiple potential grids by chance or design seem to be at play.
Fascinating Captain.
2008-05-16 00:27:18
32.   fanerman
31 The one where he delivers the large Panda is a flashback. Sun's half of that episode was a flash forward. There are some clues, like Jin's cell phone being really big, the year of the dragon (I think?), and some other things.

I think he might survive because of the date of his "death." If he really dies, why say that he died in the plane crash?

2008-05-16 01:48:38
33.   Linkmeister
My thoughts on "Lost."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/6s5ktg

I've been wondering occasionally whatever happened to Veronica Hamel (Joyce!) so it was nice to see her, no matter how briefly.

2008-05-16 05:21:32
34.   D4P
DeGeneres said she and girlfriend de Rossi ("Ally McBeal," "Nip/Tuck") would be getting married.

Ally McBeal and Nip/Tuck...?

COME ON!

2008-05-16 05:37:34
35.   Penarol1916
When the episode about Sun and Jin aired, I was really hopeful that Jin was still alive on the island, but episode makes me think that he actually dies, which really makes me sad, they are among the top reasons that I watch the show. Last night's episode was only okay for me, but that primarily because there was too much Jack and Kate together, I just really can't take too much of them, but I love the other characters so much.

Loved The Office, but I guess I always had a soft spot for Toby and was hoping that he would get in something against Michael for all of the crap he's put him through, but I guess it wouldn't be Toby if he wasn't ineffectual.

2008-05-16 07:05:16
36.   Daniel Zappala
I'm guessing Desmond makes it off the freighter, only to end up back on the island. He was the one who said he never wanted to go back to the island again. I think that foreshadows that he is meant to end up back there.

I also think there are still a bunch of (recognizable) survivors left on the island when the 6 are rescued. Since they get off the island in a small boat, it makes sense that some were left behind, and since the island is 'moving' it also makes sense that it will be difficult to go back and get the rest of them.

2008-05-16 08:07:27
37.   ToyCannon
35
Thanks to Pam, he got Michaels watch, that has to count for something.

When I was 30 I dreamed of moving to Costa Rica. Nineteen years later I have never set foot upon it's soil. Just typing this bums me out. I always wanted to make a about the most famous of the Costa Ricans. A rebuttal that power corrupts all.

2008-05-16 08:15:32
38.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
32 If (Jin) really dies, why say that he died in the plane crash?

Because of the story the Oceanic 6 are telling: that only 8 people made it to the island from the plane that had struck the water. And Jin tells the reporter that Jin died in the plane crash. Hence, the tombstone date is going to reflect the plane crash date, since that is the public story.

Oh, and Sun tells her father, with no small amount of withheld emotion, that he's responsible for Jin's death.

2008-05-16 08:26:18
39.   fanerman
38 I'm saying that I'm wondering why they made up that particular story. Of course we'll find out in a couple weeks. I continue to cling to hope that Jin lives.
2008-05-16 08:32:19
40.   kngoworld
Not sure how Television Executives work, but is it at all possible that the season finale could end up being the series finale?

The promise of two more season might have been a gimmick to throw us all off.

I understand that the end of this episode shows the oceanic 6 so far from each other and being rescued but it just feels like we are near the end. A lot can happen in two hours and maybe all the loose ends will get tied up sooner then we thought.

Most likely I am wrong and the next two hours will only bring us two more seasons worth of questions.

2008-05-16 08:33:26
41.   regfairfield
39 Because a plane was found at the bottom of the ocean with a ton of bodies in it, you can't claim there were too many survivors.
2008-05-16 08:37:45
42.   regfairfield
40 There's way too many plotlines that need to be wrapped up right now to cover in two hours. Off the top of my head.

-Penny and Desmond
-Anything smoke monster related
-That giant foot statue
-Ben going after Penny
-What's the deal with Richard Alpert?
-We still don't know much about Dharma

And so on.

2008-05-16 14:31:01
43.   Zak
Just read the salon.com review. I liked the season finale a lot more than they did, but I agreed with them with a lot of things they mentioned about the rest of this season. I did not think it was that jaded.

One thing they mentioned that I had never even considered is the possibility that the spin-off show might involve Pam somehow. Not sure how I feel about it, but first instinct, shockingly, it would upset me less than I thought it would if she left The Office.

Like I told my wife last week, 30 Rock has taken over from the Office as being my favorite comedy this season... The Office is still a close second for me now, nad I probably anticipate Office episodes mow, but 30 Rock has been so clever and funny this season.

/End of Rant.

2008-05-16 14:32:47
44.   Zak
and I probably anticipate Office episodes more,

is what I meant to say in the last line, but my fingers were marching to the beat of a different drum.

2008-05-16 15:54:14
45.   overkill94
Definitely the best Office episode of the season. Normally when they drop so many shockers into season finales it feels forced and silly (cough Scrubs cough), but everything that happened in this episode seemed to fit. It's kinda nice for Michael to have someone who actually gets his sense of humor - it should offset how uncomfortable he makes me feel sometimes.

The Kevin sub-plot reminded me of the later seasons of Seinfeld where they took something silly and made it hilarious, all while fitting in with the episode.

Suck on this!

2008-05-16 16:22:16
46.   Jon Weisman
40 - "is it at all possible that the season finale could end up being the series finale?"

There is no chance of that happening.

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