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May 21 Game Chat
2008-05-21 18:00
by Jon Weisman
Comments (421)
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2008-05-21 18:23:36
1.   Eric Stephen
I object to Radmanovic being called "Vlade". There's only one Vlade in Laker history.
2008-05-21 18:27:19
2.   fanerman
1 Especially when there are much better alternatives, like "Space Cadet."
2008-05-21 18:37:19
3.   sporky
There's a cycle alert of a certain color in Atlanta.
2008-05-21 18:39:50
4.   gpellamjr
I am currently addicted to R.E.M.'s "Find the River". I find it extremely strange the way I will listen to a song for years and have it of a sudden hit me in a much deeper way.
2008-05-21 18:40:13
5.   Sam DC
Orange alert in ATL. Francoeur needs a double, but I he neeeds a rally (or the Mets to tie it up) to get another at bat I think.
2008-05-21 18:41:19
6.   Sam DC
Actually just a couple more atl baserunners.
2008-05-21 18:43:23
7.   gpellamjr
Now I am listening to the soundtrack from "A Might Wind". It is criminal that "Corn Wine" didn't make the final cut.
2008-05-21 18:44:02
8.   Sam DC
3 Oops -- missed yours.
2008-05-21 18:44:48
9.   Icaros

That happens to me a lot.

2008-05-21 18:45:01
10.   Eric Stephen
The TNT player cam isn't very exciting between quarters.

2008-05-21 18:45:27
11.   jasonungar07
Eric what would you call him? Mano? RadMan? Vic...?
2008-05-21 18:47:11
12.   Eric Stephen
I would go with RadMan just because of the absurdity of it.
2008-05-21 18:48:02
13.   sporky
Arizona lost!
2008-05-21 18:48:25
14.   Eric Stephen
The TNT online camera is about a second ahead of my TV.
2008-05-21 18:48:52
15.   gpellamjr
13 Very nice. This is going to be a good night. I can feel it.
2008-05-21 18:49:51
16.   Linkmeister
What determines whether Prime Ticket televises the Dodgers game or whether it's relegated to KCAL? Anyone know?

I'm asking because I heard Vinnie mention it's on KCAL today and that means I don't get it out here on the deep.

2008-05-21 18:53:42
17.   Sam DC
Frenchy batting on the deuce.
2008-05-21 18:54:25
18.   Sam DC
Ixnay on the ycle-cay.
2008-05-21 18:55:04
19.   dzzrtRatt
4 There is so much great music buried on albums that only fans of the given artist pay attention to.

That's partly because music critics seems to have a scornful attitude toward artists who cover songs they didn't write.

I don't know "Find a River" -- I gave up on R.E.M. years ago because I hated "Monster" -- but assuming it's as good as you say, wouldn't it be great if other singers could unearth it and give it more exposure?

I never much enjoyed Linda Ronstadt's versions of Little Feat songs, but she deserves a lot of credit for bringing them new fans.

P.S. Lately I'm re-stuck on Van Morrison. "It's Too Late To Stop Now," a great live album, was recently reissued. Tremendous performance by a singer with no boundaries.

2008-05-21 18:56:29
20.   Eric Stephen
Obbay Ouldway Aysay Andstay Ownday.
2008-05-21 18:57:30
21.   Bob Timmermann
No I wouldn't. It's just the seventh.
2008-05-21 18:58:23
22.   Linkmeister
19 You didn't like her version of "Willin' "?

Help! I need resuscitation!

2008-05-21 19:01:26
23.   dzzrtRatt
19 I take it back, I do know "Find The River." It's on maybe their best CD, "Automatic for the People." Lovely song. Haven't played that disk for years, but the snippet on iTunes reminded me.
2008-05-21 19:03:05
24.   scareduck
19 - agreed on "Monster". IIRC it was even earlier than that for me.
2008-05-21 19:03:26
25.   MollyKnight
Was American Idol shown live out west?
2008-05-21 19:04:03
26.   dzzrtRatt
22 Linda looked better in short-shorts than Lowell George did. But, no, I think the screaming of the chorus was a bad choice. She gave "Roll Um Easy" the same treatment.

The Byrds have a nice cover of "Willin'" though, from their Clarence White era. And "Truck Stop Girl."

Folks, there was a time when Linda Ronstadt was as hot as Jessica Alba. Or so we thought back in the olden days.

2008-05-21 19:05:11
27.   Bob Timmermann
It isn't.
2008-05-21 19:07:13
28.   Eric Stephen
2008-05-21 19:11:18
29.   Marty
23 You were on iTunes??
2008-05-21 19:11:33
30.   Bob Timmermann
It is very windy at Dodger Stadium. Which is extremely unusual.

It's very windy here in South Pasadena, which is also rare.

2008-05-21 19:13:21
31.   Linkmeister
26 Agreed. If others don't believe it, look up her Annie Liebovitz cover on Rolling Stone. I doubt that the full shoot is available online, but I know the cover is.
2008-05-21 19:14:19
32.   scareduck
26 - you had to remind me of that. Man, she used to have nice legs. I saw her about a decade ago, and she had gotten rather, uh, "fluffy", as a friend of mine put it.
2008-05-21 19:14:46
33.   kguy
Is this the 3rd day in a row with the same Dodger lineup? Is that some sort of record?
2008-05-21 19:15:30
34.   Bob Timmermann
I told you it was windy.
2008-05-21 19:15:46
35.   sporky
33 Yes.
2008-05-21 19:17:28
36.   Gen3Blue
LATed again. All I said was Oh dear--only one feed and its the Reds. A few years ago I would have been grateful just to get the game. I guess I still am. I'm already spoiled by the digital/satellite era.
2008-05-21 19:17:46
37.   Bob Timmermann
Man down for Cincinnati!

Hairston's out after on AB.

2008-05-21 19:19:08
38.   Bob Timmermann
Cycle alert canceled in Atlanta.

Stand down.

2008-05-21 19:19:40
39.   Gen3Blue
25 I don't know, but I just saw it and would hate to be a spoiler.
2008-05-21 19:20:42
40.   Bob Timmermann
A Dodger Stadium attendee has emailed me to tell me that this is the windiest day he has ever experienced at Dodger Stadium.
2008-05-21 19:20:45
41.   Gen3Blue
40 but I can tell you the winners first name was a form of David.
2008-05-21 19:23:18
42.   Gen3Blue
The announcers catch up with Bob. About the wind.
2008-05-21 19:25:36
43.   dianagramr
I keep moving Francoeur in and out of my fantasy lineup, and he then kills me either way .... sigh.
2008-05-21 19:25:40
44.   scareduck
40 - I wonder how far back the Dodgers' wind data goes. Usually they at least tell you what the wind is like at the beginning of the game, but that of course can change.
2008-05-21 19:27:03
45.   scareduck
"Any ball hit in the air tonight will be an E ride at Disneyland..."


2008-05-21 19:27:18
46.   Bob Timmermann
The wind is blowing from the south, which is really the only way for it to be windy at Dodger Stadium with the way the hills around the stadium are shaped.
2008-05-21 19:27:38
47.   dianagramr
"Against the Wind" .... a decent Bob Seger song
2008-05-21 19:29:41
48.   Andrew Shimmin
The shift backfires again.
2008-05-21 19:29:58
49.   Eric Stephen
Insert obligatory "any other LF and Dunn's out" comment.
2008-05-21 19:30:22
50.   dianagramr
umm .... where is the usual 40,000 at Dodger Stadium?
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2008-05-21 19:31:00
51.   Bob Timmermann
Lakers playoff game tonight.
2008-05-21 19:31:18
52.   Eric Stephen
I see bryanf!
2008-05-21 19:31:18
53.   Icaros

The green necklace.

2008-05-21 19:31:23
54.   Gen3Blue
Cueto's the kind of young pitcher who shows up and gives the Dodgers fits. It's not surprising looking at his peripherals and minor league record. I hope Kuroda lasts a while here. Now two pretty lucky bloops.
2008-05-21 19:32:22
55.   Bob Timmermann
Actually Cueto is the sort of pitcher who gives most teams fits.
2008-05-21 19:32:49
56.   Eric Stephen
He's directly over the "66-DOD" in "866-DODGERS" ad behind home plate. Blue shirt, Dodger blue cap.
2008-05-21 19:32:55
57.   Andrew Shimmin
It was down under 40K last night too, though. Under 35K, I think. Made me think about going out to a game. Usually I have to wait till August, when the team is out of contention for that.
2008-05-21 19:33:30
58.   dianagramr

sometimes I really do need to engage my brain before posting

(palm to forehead)

2008-05-21 19:33:42
59.   kguy
49 Well with the wind, I think most stuff hit his way today might get blown to Bison.
2008-05-21 19:34:11
60.   Eric Stephen
I would hate bryanf thanks to good ol' jealousy, but it will be fun to make fun of his in-game antics and whatever food he eats tonight.
2008-05-21 19:34:39
61.   scareduck
Bako hits back-o to the pitcher. Double play ensues!
2008-05-21 19:34:51
62.   Gen3Blue
Cueto does seem to have a gopher ball problem, so we can hope.
2008-05-21 19:37:11
63.   dianagramr

he looks so lifelike!

2008-05-21 19:38:28
64.   scareduck
62 - Dodgers tied for 14th in the NL with the Nats for team homers. Home run attack seems unlikely.
2008-05-21 19:39:13
65.   scareduck
64 -
2008-05-21 19:40:45
66.   scareduck
62 - also unsurprisingly 7 of Cueto's 12 HR's allowed are at home.
2008-05-21 19:40:57
67.   Eric Stephen
0-2 pitches mean nothing to The Bison™
2008-05-21 19:41:24
68.   Bob Timmermann
Vin's story about Joe Pepitone's would be home run in the 1963 World Series checks out. News accounts of the time don't say it was blown back by the wind, but Fairly did go back to the bullpen fence and most people thought the ball was going out.

It was the final out in Game 3. The Dodgers won 1-0.

2008-05-21 19:41:43
69.   Eric Stephen
Lakers are laying a big stink bomb tonight.
2008-05-21 19:41:56
70.   blue22
Is Kemp taking a more inside-out approach this year? Seems like he's going the other way a lot more.
2008-05-21 19:42:21
71.   Bob Timmermann
I will stick to the Windy Confines of Dodger Stadium.
2008-05-21 19:43:07
72.   Andrew Shimmin
Did that really not catch DeWitt's toe?
2008-05-21 19:43:21
73.   Gen3Blue
OK-maybe we will get lucky and dink him to death.
2008-05-21 19:43:45
74.   dianagramr
sigh .... I'm stuck with the Cincinnati broadcast on EI tonight ...

(missing Vin)

2008-05-21 19:44:09
75.   Gen3Blue
Don't I get credit for not being my pessimistic self.
2008-05-21 19:46:11
76.   Andrew Shimmin
75- Give the man a Schrute buck!
2008-05-21 19:46:17
77.   Tom Meagher
So, I'm not sure that there is much to accomplish by going line-by-line on what was on the last thread, and I'm pretty sure I don't have the time to but could be wrong. So here's a few numbered statements:

1. I personally don't use anything from the Fielding Bible (Dewan) or Clay Davenport. I do use some BIS data strung third-hand in my projections, but it's to determine regression populations rather than to adjust the hard data.

2. There is a difference between assigning past wins to players and projecting a player's contribution. I've only briefly dabbled in the former; it is the latter I am concerned with. As an aside, I also don't think that the term soul is particularly accurate or helpful in this discussion, and I don't mean that as some sort of atheistic objection to the concept itself but rather in order to be precise about what we are attempting to measure.

3. I don't think you've presented an argument against breaking down the game into components to express future value in terms of runs and wins. That's really been my main objection to NC, and it's been relevant every time I've criticized one or more of his moves.

4. I've written many, many more words on less significant baseball topics than 2773 or whatever Bob said that 228 was. But we all knew that, probably.

5. I agree pretty strongly that GB, FB, LD is not a particularly accurate way to divide our observations up. I still use them in my work because the full hit location data is not available. I see this as a weakness, not a flaw that invalidates the model. That is, putting each batted ball into one of three buckets does a service to analysis, but it does not do so completely. Analysts like Tango, MGL, Studes, etc. that have influenced me all basically agree that we want the data to continue to get more granular.

6. In my own projections, I regress fielding pretty heavily. I do this in part because the data streams have the flaws you are elucidating. Since I'm not a decision-maker in baseball, I've decided not to put a lot of my time into working on fielding metrics with the extant data. When people disagree with my assessments of defense, I'm pretty deferential.

7. Hitting projections are pretty well done in the status quo. Projecting a pitcher's fielding-independent numbers (K, BB, HR) is also pretty accurate. My point about the distinction between projection and prediction is that I think teams need to be able to determine expected contribution in terms of runs. The point is getting the best estimate.

8. Me personally? I don't think that any modeling of human behavior is very accurate. I don't have a high opinion of the human sciences as presently constituted. That's kind of the reason why I like baseball. Baseball is a very controlled environment, and its incredible number of variables pales in comparison to anything else I spend time thinking about. Baseball is a simple game with a rich and deep set of issues that make analyzing it interesting because reasonable best estimates are often easy to develop. I don't think we can model the day-to-day lives of baseball players very well, and I don't think any team can do that. So the human factor that is missing from my models is completely conceded. My model, as is the case with everybody else's model, statistical or otherwise, will do a bad job in terms of the human factor. The non-human elements in the model, though, are very strong, and it's my opinion that they are considerably stronger (though accurate on the same level of magnitude) than the mainstream baseball assessments. That opinion is based on data, and I don't think that it functions beyond a shadow of a doubt but merely beyond doubt. And in part, the model succeeds because it systematically uses empirical data to figure out how much weight the human factor gets, and then basically regresses the human factor completely to the mean. I think that teams and media types and many fans generally give the human factor too much weight. Even when they weight it properly, they are often using such a small sample that they should be regressing it quite a bit but do not.

9. While I'm frankly not a fan of any Baseball Prospectus stat, I don't know what you mean by arguing that BA/OBP/SLG tell us all. If we know how to read them, then sure, they tell us basically all we need to know about how well somebody hit over the sample. Converting it to runs (or wins) is to make it coherent. Some of the newfangled metrics don't accomplish that, and perhaps I should even say many of them. BP especially I think is guilty of sometimes looking to get a better RMSE and in so doing neglecting the theoretical building blocks of the model. Tangotiger, who personally has been a much bigger influence for me, has really worked hard against such sloppiness, and Brandon (Patriot) has repeatedly done the dirty work to show the egregious instances. However, I think you're using someone else's bath water to justify tossing my baby. I pretty strongly believe in using theoretical models instead of simple regression coefficients. Regression is a tool that can be useful in looking for things, but when you find what you are looking for you need to deploy a theoretical attitude and use rigor. If that rigor leads you to use regression within a model, that is fine. Linear weights are verified by regression analysis, but it is the underlying theoretical work that convinced me to use them.

10. Baseball is a team game, and I don't analyze teams without looking at the interrelation of the team's elements. But the batter-pitcher matchup is between two individuals. The teams impact every PA, so there is no illusion that it is just the two individuals: there is fielding, defensive positioning, game state/score/etc., the catcher, runners on base, etc. The point of breaking down a team into its individuals isn't to argue that it is not a team game or that analyzing individuals alone will suffice. It's just a question of whether or not we want to try to analyze the individuals, and I don't see how anybody could argue that we shouldn't try to if we're analyzing baseball. Very much of the batter-pitcher matchup can be understood by understanding the skills of the individual batter and pitcher in the context of the spread of skills in baseball as a whole. It is folly to argue that the .333 OBP means that the pitcher is dominating. This is only the case if the game was created with the theoretical goal of a .500 OBP. I could easily counter by arguing that with about 4.5 runs per game, there is a perfect balance: on average, the offense scores a run every other inning. Who dominates who in absolute terms is something that may be useful for historical comparison, but in projecting player contributions we are really looking to evaluate players relative to the population of available players. Perhaps you can use physics to show that the pitcher 'dominates' the batter-pitcher interaction, but this is not the sense of domination that I mean. By domination, I mean how well they do relative to the population. Excellent starting pitchers are not so dominant that they turn all hitters into bad hitters: they are so dominant that they turn good hitters into average hitters, average hitters into bad hitters, and bad hitters into terrible hitters. The intricacies of modeling one PA are such that I will never be confident in the ability to predict an at bat, and I will never have a projection for a PA that is beyond doubt. But in the aggregate, the model is well-constructed. So for a usage like giving a flexible estimate of a player's talent level in wins above replacement, I think what I've got is just fine.

2008-05-21 19:46:20
78.   Gen3Blue
74 I know--they raked Kemp over the coals with a back-handed compliment on how he's better in the clubhouse this year. A veiled garbage can comment.
2008-05-21 19:46:40
79.   sporky
2008-05-21 19:46:49
80.   KG16
2008-05-21 19:47:06
81.   Eric Stephen
Me too, although the Dodger game has no sound while in picture-in-picture as I listed to Marv and Doug Collins describe the drubbing.
2008-05-21 19:47:14
82.   kguy
Now THAT was cool
2008-05-21 19:47:14
83.   Andrew Shimmin
Bako's lucky the Bison slid.
2008-05-21 19:48:03
84.   Jiminy Cricket
I love the suicide squeeze
2008-05-21 19:48:03
85.   sporky
80 lol, I thought I double posted.
2008-05-21 19:48:05
86.   Gen3Blue
Oh man--how could you flip it high to poor Bako with the Bison coming in low?
2008-05-21 19:48:09
87.   KG16
2008-05-21 19:48:25
88.   blue22
74 - I'm stuck in a hotel room watching the Gameday rendering of the action. I'd kill for visuals.
2008-05-21 19:48:43
89.   LoneStar7
haha yea 83 at least were making something happen over here, the lakers look off right now
2008-05-21 19:48:45
90.   scareduck
Seems unfair that Hu got a hit taken away from him by calling that a fielder's choice.
2008-05-21 19:48:57
91.   KG16
85 - nope just 9 seconds faster, had to log in
2008-05-21 19:48:59
92.   kguy
The squeeze was cool, but did it make sense? With two gone, Kuroda would have been leading it off in the next inning.
2008-05-21 19:49:09
93.   Bob Timmermann
Out of towners are stuck with the dulcet tones of George Grande and Thom Brennaman and Chris Welsh because the game in L.A. is being shown on KCAL.

I imagine this game is going to get killed in the ratings tonight by the Lakers game and AI.

2008-05-21 19:49:59
94.   KG16
92 - there was only one out, Kudora just sacrificed Hu to second for the second out
2008-05-21 19:51:11
95.   Icaros

Maybe not, this Lakers game sucks so far.

2008-05-21 19:51:35
96.   KG16
what is wrong with the Lakers? This series was not suppose to start until Game 3
2008-05-21 19:51:57
97.   kguy
94 Aha- then it really was cool!
2008-05-21 19:52:24
98.   Gen3Blue
LA sports scene really hopping tonight. How are the Lakers doing?
2008-05-21 19:53:12
99.   Icaros

Getting killed.

2008-05-21 19:54:11
100.   LoneStar7
93 not if the lakers dont really get it going, we just turned a 20 point deficit into a 16 point deficit
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2008-05-21 19:55:13
101.   blue22
98 - Down by 16 with 17 minutes to go. Right where they want 'em.
2008-05-21 19:56:08
102.   Bluebleeder87
Nice play by both DeWitt & Loney.
2008-05-21 19:56:30
103.   Andrew Shimmin
Is Patterson still fast?
2008-05-21 19:57:15
104.   Gen3Blue
Yeah--but Loney ought to get some credit too. Directed at Cincy announcer.
2008-05-21 19:58:00
105.   blue22
103 - Is "speedy" the same as "fast"?
2008-05-21 19:58:27
106.   Eric Stephen
No Thom™ tonight, thank goodness.
2008-05-21 19:58:56
107.   blue22
Wow, Kobe's first free throws of the game? Where's he been?
2008-05-21 19:59:02
108.   Bluebleeder87
DeWitt is winning over a lot of people here in L.A.
2008-05-21 20:00:24
109.   scareduck
77 - You will find the flaws in his argument right here:

In particular --

* Fallacy of Nirvana (Kurt Cobain would approve?), i.e. because VORP, etc. are not perfect they are therefore useless.
* Argument from ignorance (because he can't conceive of a means to assign win shares in a team sport that therefore such a means does not exist).
* Appeal to authority

And long-winded, too!

2008-05-21 20:00:57
110.   Bob Timmermann
Tall Chris Young had to leave in San Diego after taking an Albert Pujols line drive in the head.
2008-05-21 20:03:09
111.   Eric Stephen
My God that sounds painful.

Lakers were down 20.

I called my friend to whine.

14-0 run since. You're welcome

2008-05-21 20:03:20
112.   MollyKnight
The wind is really whipping.
2008-05-21 20:03:40
113.   Sam DC
2008-05-21 20:03:53
114.   kguy
110 Geez- did he leave on his feet, or in an ambulance? Hearing the words Pujols + Line Drive + Head = big time scary
2008-05-21 20:03:58
115.   Gen3Blue
Wow with this wind, it's good Kuroda throws some groung balls.
2008-05-21 20:05:31
116.   skybluestoday

Weed, whites, and wine.

I spent an evening photographing Bonnie Raitt in 2000-2001. Her father, the late John Raitt, was being honoured that evening. I had a couple of moments alone with her, and all I was able to do was talk about Lowell George, and the fact that I had admired his work for so long and knew that she appreciated it, too.

She immediately turned into a blushing schoolgirl, and said that he was her "best friend." I confessed how much I loved his vocals ("honey-in-the-sludge"), his songwriting, and his slide playing -- she told me that I'd never even heard the half of it.

One cool lady.

2008-05-21 20:06:24
117.   Andrew Shimmin
I've decided I'm not going to read any more comments that rag on social sciences unless they're under six paragraphs in length.
2008-05-21 20:06:37
118.   dianagramr

oh no ..... is he OK?

2008-05-21 20:07:27
119.   Andrew Shimmin
117- And at least one of those paragraphs better be a dirty joke.
2008-05-21 20:09:48
120.   Bluebleeder87
at least the DT commenter knows not to use his cell phone & wave at the camera, many of us really appreciate that.

Thanks Brian.

2008-05-21 20:11:19
121.   Bluebleeder87

I decided that ALONG time ago Andrew. :o) (jk)

2008-05-21 20:11:39
122.   Bob Timmermann
Actually, the line drive hit Young in the face. There's no report.

Josh Bard somehow got injured on the same play.

2008-05-21 20:13:15
123.   Gen3Blue
Now is the time to go to a stategy of making Cueto 100 pitch himself out of this one. Not a particularly pretty at bat by Matt.
2008-05-21 20:13:23
124.   Andrew Shimmin
121- I don't actually mind long comments, especially not from the 4th/5th Outfielder, but c'mon people: can't we just agree to pick on English majors?
2008-05-21 20:13:49
125.   dianagramr

ugh ....

2008-05-21 20:15:24
126.   Gold Star for Robot Boy

First story out there on Pujols/Young.

2008-05-21 20:16:00
127.   Tom Meagher
109 Fair enough, but there's more to life than pointing out fallacies.

117 I am not against the possibility of social sciences, but as presently constituted it is my belief that their epistemology is at best compromised by Eurocentric thought. That is the reasoning behind my statement in the post above. I don't have a general vendetta against them, but until the social sciences are decolonized I think they deserve 'ragging.' This criticism is far from unique to the social sciences.

2008-05-21 20:16:16
128.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
122 - Vin said Bard's injury happened on a separate play.
2008-05-21 20:16:45
129.   Bob Timmermann
Bard actually got injured on the play after Pujols' line drive.

The Cardinals announcers aren't speaking in hushed tones, so it might not be that bad.

Unless you're Chris Young.

2008-05-21 20:17:59
130.   Tom Meagher
119 If only I had seen that before I posted 127 ! I don't want to break rule 1, but I actually have written dirty jokes about social sciences FWIW.
2008-05-21 20:19:17
131.   bryanf
the kid behind me already got scolded for waving... far I've had 3 small cracker jack bags and chicken fingers...

Wow that was the closest I've ever been to the golden god...

It is really freakin windy......

2008-05-21 20:19:37
132.   Bluebleeder87

it doesn't look good but he was at least "clutching his bloodied face" which tells me that he was at least conscious

2008-05-21 20:20:43
133.   dianagramr
uh oh .... Pete Rose in the Reds booth .... all bets are off ...
2008-05-21 20:20:44
134.   Bob Timmermann
Young apparently took the ball mostly off his nose. He walked off the mound.
2008-05-21 20:21:20
135.   Andrew Shimmin
Gas Lamp Ball isn't speaking in hushed tones, either. But, well. . .

He did walk off the field, according to C8LIN B.

2008-05-21 20:21:30
136.   Bob Timmermann
The Reds have THE Pete Rose in their booth?

That's going to get them in trouble.

2008-05-21 20:21:44
137.   Bluebleeder87
Matt Kemp made a great throw (would have had the tagging runner from 3rd) but it was off to the right a bit.
2008-05-21 20:22:23
138.   KG16
Don't look now, but it's a one possession game at Staples
2008-05-21 20:22:47
139.   Bob Timmermann
I'm not looking.
2008-05-21 20:22:50
140.   KG16
138 - and as I hit "submit", Bowen hits a three. I really dislike the Spurs.
2008-05-21 20:22:59
141.   dianagramr

Yup .... its THAT Pete Rose .....

2008-05-21 20:24:12
142.   dianagramr item on Young injury ....

2008-05-21 20:25:50
143.   Bluebleeder87
When you think about it, who names there kid Blake? I've never heard it before.
2008-05-21 20:26:38
144.   Andrew Shimmin
143- English majors.
2008-05-21 20:26:55
145.   Bob Timmermann
If you're living in Sikeston, Missouri, Blake is a really classy name.
2008-05-21 20:27:27
146.   blue22
136 - Not a big Dynasty fan, eh?
2008-05-21 20:28:04
147.   blue22
146 - er...143
2008-05-21 20:29:02
148.   Jimi Shelter
124.---Ok, I can take it. But you better watch your grammar. :-)
2008-05-21 20:29:13
149.   Icaros
How is Pete Rose allowed to appear on an MLB telecast? I thought that was part of being banned.

Resume shunning.

2008-05-21 20:29:34
150.   Gen3Blue
I'm getting analysis with Pete rose right now. The things I do to watch the Dodgers.

So now we get Pierre batting 4th with runners on base. Goldmine be wrong.

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2008-05-21 20:29:42
151.   Bob Timmermann
You probably got the timing right. DeWitt was born in 1985, when "Dynasty" was very popular.
2008-05-21 20:31:04
152.   Bob Timmermann
That's what I'm wondering.

When you're banned, you're banned. What part of "ban" don't Rose and the Reds understand?

It's a ban. It's not a suggestion to leave.

2008-05-21 20:32:56
153.   KG16
The Spurs and Lakers seem to be engaged in a Spanish death match*, both teams have decided to stop scoring with about 5 minutes left in the game.

*no, there is no such thing as a Spanish death match, I just wanted a cool sounding name for the situation where both teams fail to score.

Lakers within 2

2008-05-21 20:33:20
154.   Bluebleeder87
That's what Pierre does he hits line drives, unfortunately he hit it straight to the 2nd baseman.
2008-05-21 20:33:42
155.   Gen3Blue
This interview is hurtful. And its long, you can't seem to wait it out.
2008-05-21 20:34:38
156.   dianagramr

* that would be a Padres-A's game

2008-05-21 20:34:45
157.   KG16
Odom has tied the game at 81 with 3:11 to go.
2008-05-21 20:34:49
158.   sporky
It's tied at Staples!
2008-05-21 20:35:31
159.   sporky
157 You beat me this time...
2008-05-21 20:35:47
160.   KG16
153 , 156 - fail to score isn't quite the right term. More like "refuse to score".

And The Solution comes across with the go ahead run.

2008-05-21 20:35:52
161.   Bluebleeder87
I wish the Reds would never leave the way there playing...
2008-05-21 20:36:22
162.   KG16
159 - I'm sensing some chemistry here...
2008-05-21 20:36:29
163.   Bob Timmermann
Just what is Rose blathering on about if I may be so bold to ask?

And how is he defending his appearance in the booth?

2008-05-21 20:37:09
164.   trainwreck
The kid that got picked on the most at my elementary and middle school was named Blake.
2008-05-21 20:37:38
165.   Bluebleeder87

My old drinking buddy is probably jumping up & down right about now.

2008-05-21 20:39:00
166.   sporky
162 Heh.
2008-05-21 20:39:16
167.   KG16
Bowen has 5 fouls, and Kobe has given the Lakers the lead with 2:42 to play
2008-05-21 20:39:24
168.   blue22
164 - To be fair, his last name was "Poopenstinker"*

* not really, I don't know you or "Blake"

2008-05-21 20:39:25
169.   sporky
2008-05-21 20:39:49
170.   Bluebleeder87

you don't wanna know my first name believe me, but then again I was never called by my real name, I've always had a nick, thank goodness.

2008-05-21 20:40:55
171.   blue22
Lakers - never a doubt.
2008-05-21 20:41:23
172.   KG16
166 - is that a good or bad "heh"?
2008-05-21 20:41:48
173.   Gen3Blue
Lord, that Rose appearance and the inning were almost equally long and painful, without much result from either. The only good effect was Cueto is almost out of pitches, though with that kind of inning the D's should have finished him.
2008-05-21 20:42:13
174.   blue22
Bad call there.
2008-05-21 20:42:27
175.   gpellamjr
163 Why the {rule 1 violation} Dusty Baker wears sweat pants (answer: because he has to wipe his forhead-- or something, I don't know), why Concepcion used to make the sign of the cross before at-bats (answer: because he's Venezuelan), and how many hits he had in his career.
2008-05-21 20:44:08
176.   Bob Timmermann
I am glad I am not forced to listen to that because either I would:
1) have thrown a hammer through my TV set.
2) driven to the hardware store, bought a chainsaw and then cut up the remaining pieces in to shards.
3) then use the shards to gouge out my eyes and ears.
2008-05-21 20:44:26
177.   SoSG Orel
Bryanf just gave DT some free advertising!
2008-05-21 20:45:17
178.   Gen3Blue
The Reds bat Cueto with 96 pitches. They must not like their bullpen- but we should have sunk him by now.
2008-05-21 20:45:51
179.   Andrew Shimmin
There should be a DT gang signal so that people who don't wear t-shirts can still represent.
2008-05-21 20:46:01
180.   KG16
Duncan just tied the game at 85 with what appeared to be both goal tending and a loose ball foul on the same play.

And Kobe says, "I am still the best player in the game"

20 seconds to play, Lakers by 2... please, no threes and no fouls gentlemen.

2008-05-21 20:46:05
181.   sporky
176 What, no doorknobs?
2008-05-21 20:46:44
182.   Gen3Blue
Bob, you can't even imagine! I hope you didn't have to hear any.
2008-05-21 20:46:48
183.   sporky
172 Bemused?
2008-05-21 20:47:55
184.   Gen3Blue
Come on--ten pitches and this guy is gone.
2008-05-21 20:48:05
185.   MC Safety
179 Hilarious.
2008-05-21 20:48:39
186.   KG16
183 - ok, I'll take that.
2008-05-21 20:48:49
187.   Bob Timmermann
When Manu Ginobili misses a big shot, a cute kitten gets adopted at an animal shelter.
2008-05-21 20:49:16
188.   KG16
187 - hey, you weren't suppose to be watching
2008-05-21 20:49:26
189.   KG16
2008-05-21 20:49:43
190.   Bob Timmermann
I waited until it was worth watching.
2008-05-21 20:49:53
191.   nofatmike
184 "Come on--ten pitches and this guy is gone."

I think you forgot who's managing the Reds at the moment.

2008-05-21 20:50:30
192.   Icaros


2008-05-21 20:50:37
193.   MC Safety
0 and 2 means nothing to The Bison.
2008-05-21 20:50:37
194.   trainwreck
Winning > Losing
2008-05-21 20:50:44
195.   blue22
184 - Dusty scoffs at your "pitch counts".

Somewhere Mark Prior's shoulder feels a "sympathy twinge".

2008-05-21 20:50:55
196.   fanerman
Bison Special!
2008-05-21 20:51:17
197.   Gen3Blue
Wow, if Kemp hadn't got on, they were going to let this guy pitch two more innings.
2008-05-21 20:51:51
198.   KG16
well, on the bright side, the western conference finals have not started
2008-05-21 20:52:45
199.   LoneStar7
2008-05-21 20:52:58
200.   Andrew Shimmin
Dusty just came out to ask him if he heard that Pete Rose had been up in the booth.
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2008-05-21 20:53:39
201.   Sam DC
Blake DeWitt has been a fine pickup for the Ostriches.

How does it feel to make little kids cry and give up on baseball and computers?

2008-05-21 20:53:59
202.   dianagramr

Dusty just came out to tell Cueto that Prior was already damaged goods when he got him.

2008-05-21 20:54:28
203.   Vishal
that was a gutsy game.
2008-05-21 20:54:28
204.   Gen3Blue
191,195 I wasn't thinking straight. Oh boy, it's a Dusty game.
2008-05-21 20:55:13
205.   Bob Timmermann
But I have DeWitt on my bench.
2008-05-21 20:55:14
206.   Gen3Blue
191,195 I wasn't thinking straight. Oh boy, it's a Dusty game.
2008-05-21 20:55:19
207.   Eric Stephen
I think bryanf is getting scolded by his fiancee for looking at DT during the game.

Oh yeah, and he still has some cracker jack on his shirt.

2008-05-21 20:55:48
208.   LoneStar7
yipee...another wild pitch
2008-05-21 20:55:57
209.   KG16
I think I'm in the market for a new Dodgers hat, I have a blue Brooklyn one and the standard blue LA one. Both have seen better days. I'm thinking of getting one that's a bit different, probably black or something like that, any suggestions?
2008-05-21 20:56:01
210.   trainwreck
This Laker season continues to put me in a state of awe.
2008-05-21 20:56:07
211.   Bluebleeder87
Hu's bat is really slow these days, I remember his swing was o.k. last year, he definitely needs more playing time.
2008-05-21 20:56:22
212.   sporky
I have to admit, I'm thoroughly enjoying Dusty Baker's suffering.
2008-05-21 20:56:34
213.   LoneStar7
208 sorry wild throw lol...little jacked from the Lake show
2008-05-21 20:56:40
214.   Sam DC
205 Woot!
2008-05-21 20:56:45
215.   Eric Stephen
The 1917-1922 Brooklyn hat. White with pinstripes and a blue B.
2008-05-21 20:58:10
216.   KG16
215 - I actually had that one as a sophmore in high school some baker's dozen years ago. Unfortunately, me and white hats last about as long as me and blind dates...
2008-05-21 20:58:40
217.   Eric Stephen
209 ,215
Here is the hat:

I'm thinking of getting this one myself. I have a $25 gift card burning a hole in my pocket.

Maybe I should buy new pants too.

2008-05-21 20:58:52
218.   Icaros
And to think they (should) be adding Bynum next season.
2008-05-21 20:58:55
219.   LoneStar7
209 whatever it is, keep it blue in my opinion
2008-05-21 20:58:58
220.   sporky
Speaking of hats, I have to get my brother one for part of his birthday present. Do guys usually wear fitted caps, or is it just a personal preference?
2008-05-21 20:59:10
221.   Vishal
133 all bets are off ...


2008-05-21 20:59:25
222.   blue22
210 - I had such low expectations for this year. It was just 8 months ago that I thought the Lakers should just take Ben Gordon, Ty Thomas, Joakim Noah and Andres Nocioni for Kobe.

The lesson, as always, is that I'm an idiot.

2008-05-21 20:59:30
223.   Brent Knapp
209 My two favorite alternate dodger hats are my black one with a white LA, and my green 1937 Brooklyn hat. It's not the same typical "B" as the other Brooklyn hat, it's a more modern "b" In fact, I have two of them, one to play in and one I keep clean.
2008-05-21 20:59:48
224.   Eric Stephen
Ahh, sweaty head syndrome. But this hat is more off white. You're good.
2008-05-21 20:59:56
225.   bryanf
I saw pete rose in the dugout club and thought "how is he allowed to be here?"

I usually only ever see him at the forum shops on vegas

2008-05-21 20:59:57
226.   Bluebleeder87
Keep 'em at bay Kuroda, lets go!
2008-05-21 21:01:30
227.   Eric Stephen
There's also the old Brooklyn hat with the B inside a baseball bat diamond.

Non-standard colors need not apply. :)

2008-05-21 21:01:40
228.   Brent Knapp
220 In my opinion, always go with fitted.
2008-05-21 21:01:46
229.   blue22
209 - Nothin' better than a crisp blue hat with a white logo. Just sayin...
2008-05-21 21:02:10
230.   sporky
Junior has horrible luck.
2008-05-21 21:02:14
231.   Bob Timmermann
I believe Pete Rose is allowed to buy a ticket to a game.

But appearing on a broadcast either had to be cleared by Selig or else the Reds ownership is trying for a test case on the Commissioner's powers.

2008-05-21 21:02:18
232.   Sam DC
I never believed those shops were real, until . . . .
2008-05-21 21:02:22
233.   dianagramr
hmmmm .... griffey .... "warning track power"
2008-05-21 21:02:24
234.   Eric Stephen
Be a hero, bryanf! Selig will deputize you if you make an MLB citizen's arrest.
2008-05-21 21:03:14
235.   Bob Timmermann
I go for fitted caps whenever possible because I have a long face and a pointy head and adjustable ones have too high of a crown.
2008-05-21 21:03:52
236.   Eric Stephen
I'm a fitted hat man myself, almost exclusively for baseball caps, but some golf hats with an adjustable back work to.
2008-05-21 21:04:07
237.   KG16
220 - I prefer fitted, though I do have a couple of adjustable ones with the cloth strap in the back.

223 - I was thinking of a black one, I also once had one of those, raised LA in blue with a white outline. I was thinking something like this - - but I'm not sure yet.

2008-05-21 21:06:34
238.   Bob Timmermann
All of my baseball caps from Japan are adjustable however. They just don't sell fitted caps in that country.

I think the fitted cap keiretsu doesn't like Americans.

2008-05-21 21:06:49
239.   Sam DC
Why let the Padres have all the fun?

2008-05-21 21:07:06
240.   Bluebleeder87
Brian is so freaking lucky man, I've always wanted to sit in those seats & I actually had a conversation with a co-worker a few days ago about it, I'd dish out 200+ or what ever to sit there only because I'd love to see a guy like Kershaw of Bills pitch up close & personal
2008-05-21 21:07:29
241.   Brent Knapp
227 I am generally against the random color hats like the Red LA or the green LA hat, but I am allowed to wear them because I have justified it to myself.
I think the Dodgers actually wore this green hat in 1937.

And to me, black is acceptable because it isn't a color. It is the absence of all color. And it brings contrast to blue jeans and a blue jersey.

2008-05-21 21:07:37
242.   Eric Stephen
Dodger hats with colors other than blue & white all fall into one category for me:

2008-05-21 21:07:42
243.   Icaros
68 pitches through six. Is Kuroda Japanese for Maddux?
2008-05-21 21:08:17
244.   KG16
I've never seen this one before:
2008-05-21 21:08:31
245.   Gen3Blue
This Cincy broadcast is very stressful. And good old Dusty knows Cueto is being effective. He could win this. Of course current thinking is that guys like him used like this will have a five year career.
2008-05-21 21:09:41
246.   blue22
243 - Bullpen be damned, he's getting this win by himself tonight.
2008-05-21 21:10:46
247.   Bluebleeder87

hehehe, well played sir...

2008-05-21 21:11:57
248.   Bluebleeder87
man, you guys are making me dizzy with all these links
2008-05-21 21:12:28
249.   sporky
From Ken Gurnick:

Jones was equally upbeat, reporting that the swelling and discomfort in his right knee had subsided. Of course, that was expected because he hadn't done any baseball activities for two days after being diagnosed with torn cartilage. He resumed riding an exercise bike and hit off a tee, and the club was eager to see how he comes out of that.

Jones is expected to require surgery, the only question is whether he can put it off until after the season. Familiar with playing through injuries and having never been on the disabled list in 12 seasons, he believes he can.

"Knees always bother you no matter [what], and they're things you deal with and you don't pay much attention to it," said Jones. "If it doesn't get tight, I'll be ready to play Friday if Joe wants me to play."

2008-05-21 21:13:18
250.   Bob Timmermann
A Braves fan fell about 150 feet down a stairwell at the end of the game tonight in Atlanta and is hospitalized with a severe head injury.
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2008-05-21 21:13:30
251.   Bluebleeder87
I don't know man, but for me blue is the only color to wear a Dodger Hat but that weird white one KG16 just linked looks weirdly cool to me.
2008-05-21 21:14:03
252.   sporky
Fitted it is. Now I need to figure out the circumference of his gigantic noggin.
2008-05-21 21:14:13
253.   KG16
249 - hi, Andruw, it's KG16, yeah, um, I'm not a doctor, but really, you should really go have the surgery as soon as possible.
2008-05-21 21:14:50
254.   Jimi Shelter
I like the Batting Practice Hat the best. It's super comfortable.
2008-05-21 21:15:33
255.   dianagramr
Chris Young .... nasal fracture and laceration of the nose (as per
2008-05-21 21:17:11
256.   Eric Stephen
I have a 3930 fitted regular cap and I love the lower profile. (The standard cap is 5950).

Nasal fracture sounds a lot worse than a broken nose.

2008-05-21 21:18:15
257.   dianagramr
I notice through kg16's link that one can buy a jersey in size 6x .... which scares me a bit.
2008-05-21 21:19:30
258.   Vishal
this looks so wrong to me:
2008-05-21 21:20:12
259.   blue22
256 - I'm pretty sure that's what I'm currently "rockin'". I like it.

2008-05-21 21:20:34
260.   Eric Stephen
Ha! Someone in the production truck for YES played part of the classic Earl Weaver riff about Terry Crowley ("lucky he's") when the camera showed him tonight (he's the Orioles hitting coach).

Per Awful Announcing.

2008-05-21 21:21:02
261.   Vishal
yeah, those 3930s don't look right on my head.
2008-05-21 21:21:23
262.   sporky
258 That's criminal.
2008-05-21 21:21:35
263.   Bluebleeder87
You gotta admire DeWitt man, he just came in & has ceased the opportunity.
2008-05-21 21:21:46
264.   Andrew Shimmin
252- Tell him you're doing a phrenology project at work.
2008-05-21 21:21:51
265.   Gen3Blue
252 I'm afraid it is even bigger than Bond's.
Are there some lefties coming up. I think it may be Biemel time soon or we could see this drift away.
Not to put down Kuroda, who has given us an excellent effort.
2008-05-21 21:22:22
266.   Vishal
263 you just keep outdoing yourself :)
2008-05-21 21:23:16
267.   dianagramr

Yes .... I was listening to the game on the YES network, and the announcers were talking about how helpful Terry Crowley was a a hitting coach, and then this tape came on for about 5 seconds. There was then a 10-15 second silence in the YES broadcast.

It was a bit .... odd!

2008-05-21 21:23:21
268.   Bob Timmermann
All this talk of people wanting to wear the batting practice caps or black Dodger caps or some other design is making we want to seriously revisit my plan in 176 and adapt it to the situation.
2008-05-21 21:24:05
269.   Eric Stephen
Mine is the regular hat, just lower profile (I can't find it right now on New Era's website), but I do like that BP hat as well.
2008-05-21 21:24:11
270.   Brent Knapp
263 The opportunity ceases to exist because he seized it.
2008-05-21 21:24:17
271.   Bluebleeder87
MLB Dot com has picks of TALL Chris Young, it doesn't look all that bad.
2008-05-21 21:25:29
272.   Vishal
268 you'd throw hammers at us, cut us up with chainsaws, and gouge your eyes and ears with our body parts? or would you just do that to the hats?
2008-05-21 21:25:36
273.   sporky
264 Unfortunately, he's studying abroad.

I'm planning on sending a birthday care package, complete with packets of Del Scorcho sauce and In-n-Out ketchup, just to piss him off.

2008-05-21 21:26:23
274.   Bob Timmermann
Don't worry. I've got a plan.
2008-05-21 21:26:27
275.   KG16
258 - they actually have a Dodgers hat that is orange on black.
2008-05-21 21:26:34
276.   Bluebleeder87
There you go Brent, thanks.
2008-05-21 21:27:45
277.   KG16
273 - did he leave any hats behind?
2008-05-21 21:27:59
278.   Bluebleeder87

How dare they!

2008-05-21 21:28:05
279.   bryanf
For jon's book:

If you've never watched vin sing take me out to the ballgame it really is something

2008-05-21 21:28:49
280.   Eric Stephen
Bob, I hesitate to ask your stance on Dodger visors or beanies (blue ones of course).
2008-05-21 21:30:20
281.   Bob Timmermann
If the team gives them out, they're OK by me. If Danny Goodman were alive, he would have tried to sell them.
2008-05-21 21:30:20
282.   KG16
278 - I'm tempted to get one, just in case I ever see a game in SF.

Actually, it looks like they have hats for each team in each of the other team's colors. There is a Dodgers hat in the Mets orange/blue scheme. It seems a bit, um, peculiar to me.

2008-05-21 21:30:53
283.   Bluebleeder87
Yup, he got ALL of that one.
2008-05-21 21:31:05
284.   Andrew Shimmin
When my sister studied abroad I used that as an excuse not to buy her anything for her birthday.

I did send her emails, once in a while.

2008-05-21 21:31:52
285.   Bluebleeder87
Man, those home runs most look really cool from Brian's vantage point.
2008-05-21 21:32:34
286.   LoneStar7
man do I hate our first baseman!
2008-05-21 21:32:44
287.   Eric Stephen
Former Giant Randy Moffitt's sister also studied a broad. A lot.
2008-05-21 21:33:53
288.   KG16
278 - honestly, how long would it take the average Giants fan to recognize the letters on this:
2008-05-21 21:34:53
289.   sporky
287 She looks like Elton John in her Wikipedia photo.
2008-05-21 21:35:18
290.   Vishal
i actually really like the dodger hat in the navy blue and white yankee scheme. it feels like colonizing their territory.
2008-05-21 21:35:33
291.   blue22
288 - That has to be for gag gift purposes only.
2008-05-21 21:35:51
292.   LoneStar7
282 this defines peculiar..

2008-05-21 21:36:34
293.   KG16
I'm sure a few here will appreciate this one as well:

These are all from the "MLB Twisted" line

2008-05-21 21:36:40
294.   Icaros
Good OPS day for J-Lo with two walks and a homer. Now .821.
2008-05-21 21:37:26
295.   Gen3Blue
Is Loney going to hit more Taters than Kemp this year? If so, you can probably attribute it to the fact that Kemp has been retarded in playing time due to our "experienced" outfield excess, and also the fact that Kemp is a relative newcomer to baseball and young to boot.
2008-05-21 21:37:31
296.   JJ42
282 those hats are called "twisted" by New Era. My brother is a hat collector so he tells me these things.

If you want unholy, try the Dodger hat in Giants colors.

2008-05-21 21:37:31
297.   trainwreck
I should have been paying attention. I totally missed the Loney Bomb.
2008-05-21 21:37:51
298.   Vishal
290 this is the yankee one:
2008-05-21 21:39:43
299.   Vishal
are we gonna see a CG for kuroda-san, or are they gonna let his friend sammy nab a save?
2008-05-21 21:40:03
300.   JJ42
298 that's the one my brother wanted for Christmas
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2008-05-21 21:40:31
301.   KG16
299 - a non-shutout, non-no hitter complete game?

not in this day and age

2008-05-21 21:40:34
302.   sporky
I like the SD one:
2008-05-21 21:41:26
303.   Gen3Blue
Lakers! Yeah! Did I just accept B-Ball?
2008-05-21 21:41:32
304.   Eric Stephen
"Cory" Bryant spurred the Lakers to victory, according to the other Reds announcer (not George Grande).
2008-05-21 21:42:17
305.   Brent Knapp
Are Yankee hats black or a very dark bleu?
2008-05-21 21:42:26
306.   KG16
302 - I wasn't sure if that was SD or TB, but when in doubt, defer to the girl in the room
2008-05-21 21:42:28
307.   Eric Stephen
Kuroda's only at 96 pitches. Saito worked the last two nights. Perfect opportunity for a CG.
2008-05-21 21:42:46
308.   sporky
Out of curiosity, how many LAD caps do you own?
2008-05-21 21:43:21
309.   KG16
how in the world was that a strike, it didn't break until it was pasted the plate
2008-05-21 21:43:59
310.   bryanf
why sweeney why? Leave kuroda in, no?
2008-05-21 21:44:37
311.   Vishal
307 nope. here comes sweeney.
2008-05-21 21:44:38
312.   Bob Timmermann
The Yankees caps are blue.
2008-05-21 21:44:48
313.   Xeifrank
Saito with a 97% win expectancy again?
vr, Xei
2008-05-21 21:44:58
314.   Bluebleeder87
Give me the traditional one any day of the week:[ ]
2008-05-21 21:45:05
315.   KG16
308 - at present 2, one LA one Brooklyn
2008-05-21 21:45:31
316.   Gen3Blue
Guess it's Sammy. Hope he isn't worn out.
2008-05-21 21:45:57
317.   bryanf
307 eric and I are in sync tonight...
2008-05-21 21:46:37
318.   Bluebleeder87
Jackie Johnson is a treat for the eyes.
2008-05-21 21:47:28
319.   Dodgers49
249 "Knees always bother you no matter [what], and they're things you deal with and you don't pay much attention to it," said Jones. "If it doesn't get tight, I'll be ready to play Friday if Joe wants me to play."

But Joe has already said he doesn't want him to play hurt. So I suppose this could get interesting.

2008-05-21 21:47:45
320.   kguy
Getting this kind of performance out of the third and fourth starters in the rotation- quite a good thing. Now if only Penny and Lowe can pull their weight
2008-05-21 21:48:07
321.   KG16
how is it that 7% of the voters in that poll thing that Ken Griffey, Jr will never make the hall of fame?
2008-05-21 21:48:13
322.   dzzrtRatt
29 I've caved.

My Creative Zen died. I was in Minneapolis, near a Macy's. There is actually a vending machine in Macy's that lets you use your Macy's card to buy an iWhatever. I stood in front of that machine for a long time before finally buying an iPod Nano Generation 3.

One of the things in my mind was the increasing irritation at the problematic interface with Rhapsody. For streaming, it's great. But I had been having problems for a year getting it to smoothly transfer music onto the Zen. Often I'd have to restart my computer, remove and redownload Rhapsody, and I had to do all the music transferring quickly or some "updating" message would appear and transfers would cease. My wife had an unerring instinct for when I was trying to do this and would choose that moment to ask me some complicated question. I'd go back to the computer and couldn't transfer any more. I'd have to start all over.

I thought about all that. I thought about how irritating Apple and Steve Jobs are. I weighed it all out--and went for it.

I love the iPod Nano. I'm sorry. I do. It's lighter and smaller and thinner -- thinner than a book of matches -- so it is a much better traveling and workout companion than my relatively clunky Zen was. With all the flying I'm doing, I have to have a reliable and lightweight music device to survive crowded flights. And it is that.

Another one bites the dust. Sorry, my fellow revolutionaries. I'm wearing the pin. I'm one of "them" now.

2008-05-21 21:49:25
323.   Vishal
321 they know the bbwaa voters are really dumb?
2008-05-21 21:52:47
324.   kguy
322 That is how I fell into the trap. An iMac, and MacBook will soon follow.

Resistance is futile

2008-05-21 21:52:56
325.   fordprefect
one of the pod people now?

you shouldn't have gone to sleep.

2008-05-21 21:53:00
326.   Gen3Blue
Sammy smile.

We win!


2008-05-21 21:53:04
327.   dzzrtRatt
It's amazing we got through three games against Adam Dunn and in the end he didn't beat us.

I was reminded why so many hearts were atwitter. But deep down, isn't he Rob Deer? Or Dave Kingman?

2008-05-21 21:53:07
328.   Eric Stephen
Nine straight losses for the Reds in LA.
2008-05-21 21:53:47
329.   Bluebleeder87
Vinnie just said it 3 GAMES BACK!!
2008-05-21 21:54:09
330.   Gen3Blue
I felt Saito got squeezed on the two pitches preceding the last out.
2008-05-21 21:55:23
331.   KG16
324 - for me it was the pending doom of Vista, I remembered the horrors that were 98 and Xp (not to mention the 6 versions between them) and knew the getting was good.
2008-05-21 21:56:56
332.   underdog
Huzzah! We win!

I got to watch the last few innings, saw Loney's blast. Hooray.

And with a day off tomorrow, and Saito liking to work frequently, I was fine with him coming in for the 9th. Stellar game pitched by his countryman, though.

The Reds did have to face the Dodgers two best pitchers... and Brad Penny.

The Cardinals will be a tougher series, since the Dodgers have more trouble with them.


2008-05-21 21:57:45
333.   LoneStar7
I love L.A.
2008-05-21 21:58:21
334.   Eric Stephen
If ever you are feeling down about your job situation, take solace in this:

Michael Buffer's "Let's get ready to rumble" line has "yielded more than $400 million in gross retail sales of licensed merchandise," according to CNBC's Darren Rovell.


2008-05-21 21:58:26
335.   dzzrtRatt
Because my son is writing music and creating animations, he had to have a Macbook. He actually had a part-time job for about eight months to pay for two-thirds of it. I wasn't going to get him a damn Dell after he spent so many months getting yelled at by the local grocer.

My wife and I stand outside his room and drool. Someday.

2008-05-21 21:58:52
336.   trainwreck
Yeah, that totally makes me feel better.
2008-05-21 21:59:26
337.   Andrew Shimmin
What a bunch of sissies. Real men understand that buggy software is like a free video game, except better: with video games, the prize for winning is the least satisfying part of the thing; with buggy software, winning means you get the thing you wanted to begin with! Win/win/win!
2008-05-21 22:00:52
338.   Eric Stephen
According to Kevin Pearson at the P-E blog:

"Also, Maza can play third base, a position the Dodgers have virtually no depth at"

Andy LaRoche says hello!

2008-05-21 22:01:11
339.   Gen3Blue
Where in DC or Cincy is Jack Dicton, or is it Jack Hindick? Whats my name.
2008-05-21 22:02:11
340.   trainwreck
I still live in a world where Maza does not exist.
2008-05-21 22:04:00
341.   Eric Stephen
So, flour tortillas for the soft tacos, then?
2008-05-21 22:04:38
342.   Bob Timmermann
Just think of him as a shorter Lorenzo Mata-Real.
2008-05-21 22:08:36
343.   trainwreck
That thought actually popped into my head too.
2008-05-21 22:11:42
344.   LoneStar7
342 343 He sitting just in front of me at the rockies game, when we scored ten runs int he first and the ump got knocked out...I yelled out to him and said hello...gonna miss him
2008-05-21 22:12:57
345.   dzzrtRatt
So... I wouldn't want to be Ned right now trying to figure out what to do about Andruw.

You couldn't have a better contrast. In Anaheim, with Andruw, we lose two of three and look feeble. In LA with Ethier-Kemp-Pierre, we sweep. Sure, ANA has better pitching. But it couldn't be clearer: We don't need Jones unless he's going to produce at 2006 and previous levels, and he just isn't.

And Kemp is the better CF defender of any of them.

With all due respect to Jones and assuming he doesn't have some major health problem, the smartest play might be to DFA him now.

The theory is, winning is better than losing. The Jones salary is going to waste no matter what physical space Andruw occupies. Winning games, which is easier to do without him than with him, will take away the sting of having to swallow the embarrassment.

The move could save Colletti's job. It's the kind of honest, transparent and time-sparing decision brilliant executives are expected to make. I'm no MBA, but this seems like his best course of action, (unless Jones can be DL'd and insurance can be collected.)

2008-05-21 22:14:27
346.   trainwreck
I assume the Dodgers want Andruw to get the surgery.
2008-05-21 22:19:59
347.   trainwreck
That is sweet.
2008-05-21 22:40:34
348.   ucladodger

Your comment about DFAing Jones literally made me spit water out of my mouth it was so funny. Like Ned, who isn't one to admit his mistakes very easily, would eat over $25 million on a 2 year deal? Good luck with that.

2008-05-21 22:50:29
349.   Andrew Shimmin
If you DFA him, you've still got to pick up a reserve OF; even if he's through, it doesn't matter enough to pay somebody else, plus him.

And furthermore, I refuse to live in a world where playing Pierre in LF can be called brilliant.

2008-05-21 22:56:32
350.   Lexinthedena
If the Dodger were a small market team, we would be watching a starting outfield of Kemp, Ethier, and Young.
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2008-05-21 23:09:56
351.   Neal Pollack
We beat a very bad team this week, but we definitely beat them. The difference between Torre's game management and Baker's is subtle, but startling. If you're startled by subtlety, that is.

I don't want to see Andruw on the field ever again. Of course, I don't want to see Pierre on the field, either. Can't we just stick LaRoche in left field and see how it goes?

2008-05-21 23:14:38
352.   Greg Brock
Anybody know of any free flv to avi conversion software?

Go Dodgers!

2008-05-21 23:18:29
353.   Andrew Shimmin
2008-05-21 23:30:10
354.   silverwidow
Don't know if this was mentioned, but a poll at asks who will be the starting 2B in 2009. Blake DeWitt leads.

The seeds are now planted.

2008-05-21 23:40:20
355.   Greg Brock
353 Thanks, Andrew.
2008-05-21 23:42:35
356.   scareduck
345 - excellent point.
2008-05-21 23:43:39
357.   Xeifrank
Game tidbits.

1. The highest leverage at-bat from a Dodger tonight came in the Russell Martin at-bat where a pass ball was thrown. This play also had the highest Win Probability Added (WPA) at a whopping .106. Talk about nice timing for the Dodgers!

2. The Reds highest leverage at-bat came from Edwin Encarnacion, when he grounded out in the 7th inning, following the walk to Adam Dunn with nobody out.

3. Closer Takashi Saito was brought into the game with the Dodgers holding a 96.5% win expectancy. Two nights in a row, where Joe Torre's SOP is to handle his closer based on the save stat, rather than how dire the situation really is.

vr, Xei

2008-05-21 23:51:53
358.   bryanf
Crazy good game. I'm sure I made a fool of myself on TV, but fun was had.

For the record, my fiancee was laughing the whole time and her parents and her were getting a kick out of my DT obsession. They kept pointing to my shirt and so I finally had to stand up and advertise. :)

We waited by the clubhouse door and met a nice Dodger fan from Toronto. He saw my shirt and said "Is that your site?" I told him no but it was a site that I frequented. He said he does too.

Loney came out and signed a lot of balls and was nice but very quiet. Kent came out and waved once and walked by everyone very rudely ignoring the kids with balls and markers. The Toronto Dodger fan yelled at him as he was going into the elevator "What if I told you I liked Motocross?!?!?" I thought it was hilarious.

And the big news is that I got a picture with The Bison! I will post a link to it as soon as possible so you can see us together. He was in a hurry so I didn't get a chance to ask him about the name. I was hoping he would see my shirt and say "Hey, Dodger Thoughts! I read that too. You guys came up with Bison right?" No dice. But still, he was super nice and took a lot of time with everyone. Picture posting soon...

Who am I kidding? I'll be posting comments from my iPhone all honeymoon-long.

2008-05-21 23:57:48
359.   trainwreck
Nice report, Bryan and hope you have a great honeymoon.

I hope you take her somewhere nice like Baja Fresh.

2008-05-21 23:59:23
360.   Eric Enders
338 "Andy LaRoche says hello!"

I'm hoping you mean that in the "Don Corleone says hello" sense.

Also, I'm going to pretend I missed the above post about forsaking the Creative Zen for the iPod. The Zens are great and only getting better. Plus, no annoying DRM.

2008-05-22 00:03:31
361.   LoneStar7
358 you got loney to sign a ball for you? did you do it after the game, I assume you saw them come out in that hallway by the wolfgang buffet?

I've only sat down there once since the renovations, and i saw dontrelle stroll through while with the marlins...I didn't realize all the players exit out of there though..if that is where you got the autographs

2008-05-22 00:04:32
362.   Evan Darrow
327 - Sure, if you ignore OBP:

Career/Best Single Season
Kingman: .302/.343 (only cracked .330 twice)
Deer: .324/.360 (only cracked .330 three times)
Dunn: .380/.400 (WORST season OBP: .354)

Theres also the fact that Dunn's CAREER OPS+ is higher than all but four single seasons by the other two, combined.

On an unrelated note: long time reader, first time poster, hey all.

2008-05-22 00:09:51
363.   trainwreck
I have never gotten an autograph in my life. I rather talk to people.
2008-05-22 00:10:34
364.   Bob Timmermann
Welcome. There will be snacks later.
2008-05-22 00:11:08
365.   68elcamino427
Just got home from tonight's game.

.295 Loney-One for two, two runs, one RBI, home run.

.323 Kemp-Two for four, two runs.

.325 DeWitt-Two for four, two runs.

I really like this line-up.

108 DeWitt's been winning me over since opening day, give the man his due, he's earning it.

2008-05-22 00:15:14
366.   Greg Brock
362 Cool.

364 My AP kids are flipping out over my reading list. Uncle Tom's cabin and Grapes of Wrath. Fear.

I could have saved about 45 minutes of my life if I had checked iSquint. I thought it cost dough. Stupid, stupid man.

2008-05-22 00:15:27
367.   LoneStar7
363 ive never gotten one either, but probably because i never have a pen..I'd love to just shake loney's hand

I remember meeting lebron james at a laker playoff game before he was drafted, ironically it was spurs lakes : )

2008-05-22 00:19:22
368.   Eric Enders
You're actually making them read Uncle Tom's Cabin?

That book belongs on a list with Last of the Mohicans... classic American literature that's so god-awful as to be unreadable.

You made up for it with The Grapes of Wrath, though.

2008-05-22 00:28:21
369.   Greg Brock
368 It's the most important book of the 19th century, and it will separate the wheat from the chaff.

Plus, they get guided reading supplements from me. The won't have to go cover to cover.

2008-05-22 00:32:00
370.   bryanf
Yeah I didn't actually get an ball, no pen. But we took pictures and I told them that they are awesome and played a great game. I think the picture is better's somehow cooler to show off, like people will believe it more.
2008-05-22 00:33:32
371.   Dodgers49
Matt Kemp gets some on-the-job training

>> "Matty's getting his feel," Torre said. "He's got great instincts. With his quickness, he makes up for a first step that may be wrong. I think he'll only get better at it reading the ball off the bat." <<

2008-05-22 00:39:41
372.   bryanf
Bison and me:

2008-05-22 00:45:41
373.   trainwreck
It is probably sad that I had to read that in college at UCSB and you are giving it to high schoolers.
2008-05-22 00:49:24
374.   Greg Brock
Matt Kemp always looks like he's been hittin' the Yoda.
2008-05-22 00:56:28
375.   trainwreck
Sweet! Is it me or does the Bison always look like hes on the Yoda?
2008-05-22 00:57:46
376.   trainwreck
Brock, you Rule 1!!! Only you could put that before me.
2008-05-22 00:59:09
377.   trainwreck
You, or Icaros.
2008-05-22 05:31:56
378.   Ken Noe
368 369 I've used Uncle Tom's Cabin in my Civil War class for eighteen years now. Most students gulp when they find out about it. Most of them end up liking the book. Unlike Mohicans, it's actually readable.
2008-05-22 06:10:15
379.   Sammy Maudlin
Mark Hendrickson has 6 wins already this year, which is more than the combined win total of Lowe, Kuroda, Loaiza,and Schimdt. Hendrickson has a salary of 1.5 million compared to the 41.3 million the Dodger foursome is earning.
2008-05-22 07:31:13
380.   Jon Weisman
The Onion: Derek Lowe Asks Coach If He Could Dip Out Around Fourth Inning

2008-05-22 07:32:30
381.   CodyS
372 Haha, Matt Kemp is a redneck. I guess most baseball players probably get a tan like that.
2008-05-22 07:34:08
382.   Daniel Zappala
In the Laker recap in the LA Times, the story mentions that the fans started to boo when the Lakers were down 20. Sigh.
2008-05-22 07:38:14
383.   Bob Timmermann
I think that is just the fans being unhappy that the Lakers were losing.

And not liking the Spurs either.

2008-05-22 07:50:27
384.   JoeyP
Gurnick thinks Furcal will be activated friday. He also believes Druw wont have surgery and will be available Friday as well.

2008-05-22 07:51:48
385.   Gen3Blue
Jon, I wasn't familiar with The Onion and totally swallowed the first few sentences before I began to get it. Nasty!
2008-05-22 07:52:08
386.   scareduck
368 - Grapes of Wrath for me also falls into the unreadable category. At best it's stenography, at worst it's brazen propaganda.
2008-05-22 08:09:42
387.   scareduck
322 - for running (something I've lately been into, three miles a day), nothing beats the iPod Shuffle. Lightweight, tiny, accepts a huge (1 GB IIRC) amount of music, the battery goes and goes, plus it comes with its own clip so you can slide it right onto your shirt. It's so light you could even conceivably leave it attached to nothing but the earphones, but I haven't tried that.
2008-05-22 08:10:14
388.   bryanf
380 Wow that is hilarious. I love the Onion.
2008-05-22 08:19:31
389.   Bob Hendley
379 - Re: Hendrickson. Thanks for not mentioning that in 21 ABs he is .333/.476/.810.
2008-05-22 08:35:18
390.   Brent Knapp
322 387 The new iPod Shuffle is great, but it's almost too small. I lose it all the time and put it through the wash when I left it in my shorts.
2008-05-22 08:39:26
391.   Jim Hitchcock
Here's hoping Albert Pujols has done all the damage he's gonna do for the week...
2008-05-22 08:43:24
392.   fanerman
I read Uncle Tom's Cabin in college for an American history class. I thought it was pretty readable.
2008-05-22 09:07:50
393.   Eric Stephen
Maybe Pujols will be like peaceful Pedro Cerrano in Major League 2 this weekend.
2008-05-22 09:11:06
394.   Xeifrank
382. What's wrong with booing?
vr, Xei
2008-05-22 09:12:43
395.   Jim Hitchcock
393 ...combined with the slumping Pedro Cerrano!
2008-05-22 09:12:44
396.   Eric Stephen
Booing because you're down 20 at home is acceptable.

But booing a single given up in the first inning, or a ball dropping 20 feet in front of Andruw (because he had no chance to catch it, or Brad Penny striking out batting in a game that he allowed two hits over eight shutout innings is not acceptable.

2008-05-22 09:12:57
397.   Icaros
Haha, Kemp does looked baked.

I remember bryanf. If I'm not mistaken, his now-wife is the girl who busted out the new Harry Potter book and started reading when Frank McCourt sat down with us last year. I was cracking up.

2008-05-22 09:18:35
398.   Xeifrank
396. Perhaps, you or someone else here can put together a little primer on when it's ok to boo and not boo. Would be nice to have a little handbook that I could use for reference during such situations.
vr, Xei
2008-05-22 09:25:12
399.   Eric Stephen
I'm booing your comment if it was serious. :)
2008-05-22 09:25:19
400.   Bob Timmermann
It would be more of a matrix than a primer.
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2008-05-22 09:27:46
401.   Gagne55
392 And without Uncle Tom's Cabin, how are students supposed to understand Milton Bradley's description of reporters.
2008-05-22 09:30:15
402.   Sam DC
I don't know that I would have pegged Xei as a right to boo booster.
2008-05-22 09:31:24
403.   Bob Timmermann
Xeifrank is a card-carrying member of the ACLBoo
2008-05-22 09:35:45
404.   Xeifrank
haha, I rarely boo anything. I just don't get upset when somebody else does, unless they are yelling in my ear. For a lot of people booing is their way of venting. They don't act like that at home or at work (or atleast I hope they don't). To me, booing is just part of the overall experience of attending a game. I may not agree with the booing, but I am not going to call them stupid or a simpleton because of it.
vr, Xei
2008-05-22 09:39:13
405.   cargill06
what team's line up consists of these OPS+
2008-05-22 09:40:53
406.   Eric Stephen
I don't know if I like that the daily Times Dodger notes section is now called "Dodgers FYI" instead of "Dodgers Report".
2008-05-22 09:41:16
407.   Gagne55
405 Padres
2008-05-22 09:41:48
408.   regfairfield
405 I'm gonna say ours.
2008-05-22 09:43:20
409.   Eric Stephen
The cast of Major League 4
2008-05-22 09:43:54
410.   cargill06
407 408 no, it's a line-up that some people were envious of a few weeks ago
2008-05-22 09:44:10
411.   Xeifrank
405. That 41+ OPS in the three spot is pretty bad. vr, Xei
2008-05-22 09:44:43
412.   Ken Noe
I remember the great joy I felt the first time I got to boo Pete Rose in person. But on the whole I don't boo much at all, and I never boo amateur athletes.
2008-05-22 09:44:43
413.   cargill06
409 yup, and maybe hafner is started to turn into a head-case like andruw
2008-05-22 09:44:53
414.   Xeifrank
410. Brewers?
vr, Xei
2008-05-22 09:46:18
415.   regfairfield
I'm amazed that the Indians can not find corner outfielders that can hit for anything.
2008-05-22 09:49:00
416.   regfairfield
Is there a reason Josh Barfield isn't playing with the 49th best player in baseball hitting .175?
2008-05-22 09:49:17
417.   Jon Weisman
403 - That was very funny.
2008-05-22 09:50:40
418.   madmac
The chatty Percival keeps players loose and humble. For instance, he promised to fine pitcher Matt Garza, who was obtained in a trade with the Twins, $500 every time he acted like a jerk on the mound, though Percival used a more colorful term.
"What's the matter? Nobody in Minnesota ever said you acted like a [jerk]?" Percival asked him.
"Uh, yeah, they did," Garza admitted.
2008-05-22 09:51:08
419.   Jon Weisman
2008-05-22 09:53:00
420.   Xeifrank
417. You guys are just anti-boo-ites.
vr, Xei
2008-05-22 09:56:03
421.   madmac
420 are you boodist

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