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Rain Delay Theater
2008-05-23 22:19
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Bottom of the ninth, one out, 2-1 Cardinals, 3-2 to Matt Kemp ... and the old man is snoring.

* * *

Clayton Kershaw's promotion hadn't been inked as of Friday night, but the world's eyes remained peeled. Saturday was ruled out for a debut, but Sunday emerged as a strong possibility, according to Kevin Baxter of the Times and Ken Gurnick of MLB.com.

With Derek Lowe rebounding to a seven-inning, two-run performance tonight, a Kershaw promotion for Sunday would reflect an eagerness to get the 20-year-old lefty to Los Angeles regardless of need, because that's Chad Billinglsey's scheduled day (he would be given an extra day of rest). Further, there is almost no way the Dodgers would run through their bullpen Saturday, even if Brad Penny has another tough outing. And so, if Eli's coming to break opponents' hearts, it makes sense to uncoil him in front of a home crowd.

By the way, if Kershaw were pitching Sunday, wouldn't you want him already on a plane today? (So, is he?)

Meanwhile, Gurnick notes that two other pitchers are making progress:

In other pitching news, Jason Schmidt is scheduled for his third Minor League rehab start Monday night for Inland Empire. And disabled pitcher Esteban Loaiza said he felt fine after a Friday bullpen session and is scheduled to pitch for Las Vegas on Monday in a Minor League rehab start.

* * *

Rafael Furcal had a setback after a strenuous workout in the cold Wednesday, and doesn't have a return date set. While the idea of a workout in the cold seems to make no sense, I guess you need to find out what your body can do, right? Right?

Anyway, I don't think I'm overstating the case to say Furcal's going to have injury questions following him the rest of his career.

There's news about Andruw Jones as well, though it perplexes me. From Gurnick:

Torre indicated that if Jones' knee flares up again, immediate surgery is likely. The concern is that the knee will be like a time bomb that could go off with the slightest wrong movement.

"We've had players in the past ... who have had a problem like this and done OK throughout the whole season," said Conte. "Hopefully, he's going to fall into that category, but there's no doubt he has a small tear in the cartilage, and that can be problematic at any time."

I mean, come on. Isn't this silly? The best case scenario for Jones not having his inevitable surgery now is that he might not have his knee go thermite on him? I've got news for you: Sometimes things don't have to get worse before they get better.

Gurnick also has a Nomar Garciaparra update. Sometimes things do have to get worse before they get better.

* * *

Tough one (so far) for the Dodgers tonight, but Adam Wainwright of St. Louis earned it with some great pitching. At least Lowe was back to form.

Comments (166)
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2008-05-23 22:27:42
1.   NorCal-Dodger
Any estimate on how long the rain delay might last?
2008-05-23 22:29:24
2.   scareduck
But didn't Furcal have injury problems going into his contract with the Dodgers? He had surgery in the offseason, and reported an annular strain in his back.
2008-05-23 22:29:49
3.   Bob Timmermann
I don't think it will be all that long. It's not raining where I am (7 miles north of the stadium.)

The showers have been scattered all day.

2008-05-23 22:29:52
4.   dzzrtRatt
I just got back from sushi with friends and family. I figured it would all be over by now.

To the remote!

2008-05-23 22:30:34
5.   underdog
For Rain Delay Theater, shall I entertain with more Karate Kid trivia?

More Looney Tunes references?

Perhaps we can play a game of canasta.

2008-05-23 22:31:53
6.   underdog
This rain delay could give the team a shot of it keeps the Cards' closer from coming back out there.
2008-05-23 22:32:02
7.   Jon Weisman
2 - Why is that question preceded with a "But?"
2008-05-23 22:32:27
8.   trainwreck
Thanks regfairfield, for the drink recipe. Sounds good. I will try it.
2008-05-23 22:35:14
9.   underdog
As much as I've been wanting the team to re-sign Furcal given what he means to them when he's around, it's become increasingly clear that they really shouldn't resign him, especially not for the 5 year contract he's going to want. There really are countless injury concerns with him and they have too many good young infielders (Hu and DeJesus, along with LaRoche and DeWitt). At the worst they could try to sign Mark Ellis, since they're losing Kent, too.

Plus the draft picks.

Still, for this year, while we have him, I really hope Furcal gets well soon.

2008-05-23 22:36:10
10.   Eric Stephen
9
Don't discount the possibility of receiving draft picks from the Giants when they sign Jeff Kent for 2009!
2008-05-23 22:37:03
11.   scareduck
7 - It sounded like you were implying that his current injury is changing the perception of his durability, when that was a question from some point past his signing by the Dodgers, at least.
2008-05-23 22:37:55
12.   Eric Stephen
I take full responsibility for the Dodgers not leading/winning thus far tonight. I was watching the Laker game at a bar, and the Dodger game was only on a small TV almost completely out of sight so I wasn't able to watch any of the first 7 or so innings.
2008-05-23 22:38:08
13.   underdog
10 - Hah. That would be hilarious. But... don't see that happening. Kent's gonna retire after this year, regardless of what happens.
2008-05-23 22:38:34
14.   Jon Weisman
9 - Reframing the question. Applied to Beltre, applies to Furcal.

https://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/15240.html

2008-05-23 22:38:41
15.   Gilberto Reyes
9 I think signing him for 3 years is still risky. Backs don't get better with age.
2008-05-23 22:40:11
16.   underdog
My g/f made me turn the channel a long while ago from the Karate Kid to a Cadfael episode running on PBS, and then the game went into rain delay. I think Cadfael would be better if William Zabka played a villain.
2008-05-23 22:40:19
17.   Jon Weisman
11 - When he's going well, I think some people repress that he has a questionable health record, but I've said all along that you have to keep it in mind.
2008-05-23 22:40:31
18.   scareduck
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN200609180.shtml
2008-05-23 22:40:56
19.   Linkmeister
I was watching The News Hour so I didn't see the last couple of innings. It must really be coming down in buckets to stop a game with one down in the ninth, no?
2008-05-23 22:42:06
20.   underdog
True, true, I've basically come around on it. I wanted them to resign Furcal, now I don't think it's a good idea.

14 Man, you were harsh back then. Comments closed, just like that! >snap!<

2008-05-23 22:42:24
21.   Jon Weisman
I wonder what's the closest to the potential finish a rain delay has come.
2008-05-23 22:42:56
22.   Jon Weisman
20 - It bums me out that all the All-Baseball.com comments for Dodger Thoughts are gone forever.
2008-05-23 22:43:24
23.   NorCal-Dodger
FWIW, Maker's Mark is a pretty good whiskey, better than Jack, Jim or Turkey.
2008-05-23 22:43:55
24.   Eric Stephen
22
What year did you make the switch to the Toaster?
2008-05-23 22:44:03
25.   scareduck
22 - yeah, what happened to that, anyway?
2008-05-23 22:45:08
26.   scareduck
21 - I was at Wrigley when they stopped the game with one out. The rain delay lasted until midnight IIRC.
2008-05-23 22:45:55
27.   Jon Weisman
24 - March 2006.
2008-05-23 22:46:43
28.   underdog
The AB.com days were before my time, so I'm particularly sorry I can't read comments back then, to see what life was like in Olde Times.

Can someone wake me when the game resumes? Thanks.

2008-05-23 22:46:48
29.   bobsbrother
Well, no one in St. Louis is getting the final score in their newspaper on Saturday.
2008-05-23 22:46:49
30.   Eric Stephen
27
Wow, I thought it was much longer ago. It seems like the toaster has been around forever.
2008-05-23 22:48:39
31.   Andrew Shimmin
Wasn't it 2005?
2008-05-23 22:48:39
32.   underdog
Wait, what? I thought this was on the Toaster much longer ago than that. Okay, then scratch my previous comment.

Sob! My incredibly astute commentary is lost forever...

2008-05-23 22:48:55
33.   Eric Stephen
27
Is it 2005? There are some comments starting in March 2005.
2008-05-23 22:49:53
34.   Gilberto Reyes
Assuming Furcal comes back and gets at least 500 ABs....I would offer Furcal his current salary of $13M for two more years. Or $10M for 3 more years. If the back prevents him from getting 500 ABs, I would stay away.
2008-05-23 22:50:44
35.   Bob Timmermann
Games called with 2 outs in the ninth.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/6NAu

2008-05-23 22:50:44
36.   Jon Weisman
31 - March 2005.

https://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/156430.html

2008-05-23 22:51:24
37.   underdog
If the Dodgers miraculously come back in this one, assuming it resumes, will there be much complaining and blaming in St. Louis? Rhetorical question.

Okay, my Weather.com Doppler radar map shows that it's cleared over Dodger Stadium. What's the deal?

2008-05-23 22:52:06
38.   Eric Stephen
We're probably about a week away from the 1,000,000th comment on the Toaster. I hope Bob Watson has an account!
2008-05-23 22:52:12
39.   Xeifrank
29. From my many travels to the Stl area, I never saw a west coast final score in the newspaper. You'd think it would have to wait til the next day, but I guess they figured it was such old news you wouldn't get that either. This was quite a few years ago (pre-internet), but a west coast fan in the Stl region was out of luck.
vr, Xei
2008-05-23 22:55:41
40.   Bob Timmermann
37
St. Louis fans will blame it all on Tony La Russa if the Dodgers win.

Or possibly Jason Isringhausen.

2008-05-23 22:55:57
41.   Eric Stephen
38
Check that, it will probably happen by Memorial Day or a day or so afterward.
2008-05-23 22:56:24
42.   jasonungar07
No way on Furcal. Exactly what we don't need to do.
2008-05-23 22:56:56
43.   Eric Stephen
If the Dodgers win, I will blame/credit Bob's brother.
2008-05-23 22:57:58
44.   bobsbrother
I got every result from the Cards-Padres series in my home edition in suburban St. Louis. The final edition hits the presses at 1:30 a.m., but there aren't many of them. I now return you to discussions of the Dodgers.
2008-05-23 22:59:53
45.   Jon Weisman
42 - Again, it's completely wrong to say "no way" on someone like Furcal. There have to be terms you'd be willing to offer him. It doesn't serve any purpose to assume his asking price will be so high that it would interest another team but not you. That might happen, but it's self-defeating to assume it will.
2008-05-23 23:00:21
46.   underdog
You're welcome to stick around, Brother o'Bob. I would think most of your local commentators are gone to bed at this point.

Meanwhile, Cadfael solved the mystery, the Karate Kid is over, and the game is still rain delayed.

2008-05-23 23:01:46
47.   dodgerinlv
Any thoughts on folling the new trend and signing Kemp, Martin, Loney, Either, Bills, and Broxton to long term contracts now?
2008-05-23 23:03:20
48.   Bob Timmermann
Rain delay theater:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_lvDLeTae8&feature=related

2008-05-23 23:03:42
49.   Eric Stephen
47
Much like Mitch Hedberg's thoughts on frilly toothpicks, I'm for 'em!
2008-05-23 23:04:30
50.   fracule
45 Looking back at the Piazza comments from the other day, it seems that he was blamed for wanting too much, as if negotiations aren't possible. Who cares how much he wants, how much is he willing to take, and how much are the Dodgers willing to give. Not having to move your family may be worth something to someone with a young family. There have been players in the past who have taken smaller paydays to remain in the liked and familiar.
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2008-05-23 23:04:51
51.   underdog
Since we're still in Rain Delay Theater, I would like to present this Dodger Thoughts Classic from March of '07:
>>
165. Suffering Bruin
Just checking in while planning...

Did someone say "Karate Kid?"

Ralph Macchio got the part over two other actors. I was one of the other two.

Yes, they most definitely made the right choice.

<<

Underdog in May of '08: Ahhh. Now I get it.

2008-05-23 23:05:25
52.   Andrew Shimmin
Comedy Central has a Mitch Hedberg show starting at 11:30.
2008-05-23 23:05:34
53.   Zak
I'm cruel but it gives me so much joy that Jeff Kent is still suffering from losing the WS to the Angels.

Just watching In Their Own Words on FSN.

2008-05-23 23:06:09
54.   scareduck
22 - surprisingly large numbers are available on archive.org. Example:

http://tinyurl.com/5fevmy

2008-05-23 23:06:15
55.   fracule
48 That makes me homesick.
2008-05-23 23:06:15
56.   Eric Stephen
52
Welcome to the Top 10!
2008-05-23 23:07:34
57.   fracule
My contribution to rain delay theater.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuGaqLT-gO4
2008-05-23 23:10:15
58.   bobsbrother
In St. Louis, we got Mike Shannon interviewing Jerry Coleman from earlier this week in San Diego. Guaranteeing that no one will stay awake for the end of the game.
2008-05-23 23:10:22
59.   underdog
48 The Forbidden Zone! A cult classic if there ever was one. Bizarre and wonderful, as any film with both Herve Villechaize and Susan Tyrell should be.
2008-05-23 23:11:13
60.   fracule
11:22
2008-05-23 23:11:53
61.   bobsbrother
Here they're saying a 1:25 a.m. restart
2008-05-23 23:13:25
62.   Bob Timmermann
Since this is not the Griddle, there is not a rigid adherence to Pacific Time.
2008-05-23 23:14:12
63.   guy clinch
So will the Cards come back w. Franklin? And, does anyone here watch "b" horror flicks? I've been watching "Evil Dead." So awful, but I just love it.
2008-05-23 23:14:38
64.   fracule
62 I thought your brother might be on the island from Lost.
2008-05-23 23:15:23
65.   fracule
63 Awesome movie! You gotta catch ED II and Demon Knight if you already haven't.
2008-05-23 23:16:20
66.   underdog
Evil Dead II's even awesome-r. Er... And Army of Darkness is great fun, too.
2008-05-23 23:18:04
67.   Xeifrank
hmm, so is St.Louis in the Mound Time Zone?
vr, Xei
2008-05-23 23:18:50
68.   fracule
66 I only spoke in 'Ashisms' for three months after seeing army of darkness.
2008-05-23 23:19:16
69.   guy clinch
65- Thanks, will netflix those. I'm new to these types of movies. I'm watching this thinking "well, why doesn't he just leave the cabin? No, don't open the cellar door..." I suppose I need to put those questions aside.
2008-05-23 23:20:39
70.   Eric Stephen
How crazy is it that Jose Valverde got hit in the face tonight (not quite as violent as Pujols / Tall Chris Young) yet stayed in the game to get the save?
2008-05-23 23:21:00
71.   Ali Nagib
Just got back from Petco, and I was wondering when the last time there were rain delays in SD and LA on the same day.
2008-05-23 23:21:22
72.   bobsbrother
Ryan Franklin is on the mound.
2008-05-23 23:21:44
73.   scareduck
48 - very cool! I was unaware there was a movie so recent.

I feel sorry for this guy:

http://la.metblogs.com/2008/05/23/biking-to-dodger-stadium/

2008-05-23 23:21:57
74.   Gilberto Reyes
Vinny's back!!!
2008-05-23 23:22:10
75.   Bob Timmermann
71
I think it happened last year.
2008-05-23 23:22:57
76.   Eric Stephen
underdog's alarm!!!!
2008-05-23 23:23:07
77.   Jacob Burch
BB!
2008-05-23 23:23:24
78.   scareduck
Ball four.
2008-05-23 23:23:43
79.   Johnson
71 I would expect a much higher correlation between rain delays in L.A. and San Diego than between L.A. and any other city.
2008-05-23 23:23:45
80.   bhsportsguy
Ball 4 - Walked Kemp
2008-05-23 23:23:58
81.   underdog
And.... we're back!

Kemp walks. Frankling still in there. That seems kind of ludicrous.

2008-05-23 23:24:00
82.   Gilberto Reyes
Surprised to see Franklin still out there!
2008-05-23 23:24:27
83.   Eric Stephen
I wish D4P were here so he could post the Franklin Come Alive link.
2008-05-23 23:24:50
84.   underdog
76 Wha..!? Hoozzat? {snort} I'm awake, I'm awake!

I mean, thanks!

2008-05-23 23:25:38
85.   bhsportsguy
And a small town in Missouri is listening intently to Charley Steiner and Rick Monday.
2008-05-23 23:26:02
86.   Gilberto Reyes
And he can't throw strikes!!!
2008-05-23 23:26:55
87.   Andrew Shimmin
Not sure running on Molina is a good idea, even for a Bison.
2008-05-23 23:27:21
88.   Eric Stephen
A dropped tag gives the Dodgers borrowed time!
2008-05-23 23:27:24
89.   Andrew Shimmin
Lucky Izzy dropped it.
2008-05-23 23:27:38
90.   Gilberto Reyes
It's up to Pee Wee.
2008-05-23 23:27:46
91.   bhsportsguy
Pee Wee alert!
2008-05-23 23:28:12
92.   underdog
Kemp is lucky that wasn't the end of the game right there.

Pee Wee Alert!
Pee Wee Alert!

Stand up.

2008-05-23 23:28:23
93.   scareduck
DeWitt having a bad night at the plate. That strike two pitch was pretty bad.
2008-05-23 23:28:32
94.   Eric Stephen
You can't spell Delwyn without "wyn".
2008-05-23 23:28:39
95.   Jacob Burch
And with Jones on deck, it may be really up to Pee Wee
2008-05-23 23:28:52
96.   Vishal
57 dude, that was awesome. thanks for posting it.
2008-05-23 23:28:54
97.   Gilberto Reyes
Would they pitch around Pee Wee to get to Druw?
2008-05-23 23:28:56
98.   underdog
Andruw Jones is on deck.

Wait... what??

2008-05-23 23:29:23
99.   bhsportsguy
97 Nahh.
2008-05-23 23:30:41
100.   bobsbrother
Everyone in Missouri is listening to Mike Shannon and John Rooney on the Cardinals radio network. Though Rooney is downstairs for the postgame interview.
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2008-05-23 23:30:51
101.   Bob Timmermann
On April 4, 2006, the Braves were in L.A. and had a 25-minute rain delay. The Padres game against the Giants was rained out that night.
2008-05-23 23:31:49
102.   Eric Stephen
Time for some early fireworks!
2008-05-23 23:32:02
103.   scareduck
98 - oh. My. God.

And to think, there's almost not enough people left to boo him properly.

2008-05-23 23:32:08
104.   bhsportsguy
100 Except for the Dodger radio network affilliate that is operating in DeWitt's hometown.
2008-05-23 23:32:28
105.   Zak
[101} Also, I turned 29 on that day.
2008-05-23 23:32:51
106.   underdog
Jones trying to do a Kirk Gibson here. Or he'll do a Joe Schlabotnick.
2008-05-23 23:33:58
107.   scareduck
And Jones is the first batter to get to 1-2 since the rain delay ended.
2008-05-23 23:35:48
108.   scareduck
Molina: Just groove one. What can he do?
2008-05-23 23:35:48
109.   Zak
Jones is back and we can start losing again. Good times!
2008-05-23 23:35:58
110.   Jacob Burch
And let us resume Minotaur watch.
2008-05-23 23:35:59
111.   bobsbrother
I can't tell on the radio: Were those boos or Druws?
2008-05-23 23:36:12
112.   Vishal
107 well, according to gameday, all of those strikes/fouls have been right down the middle
2008-05-23 23:36:20
113.   scareduck
Torre outmanaged again.
2008-05-23 23:36:23
114.   waterboy100
they were cheering, then they boo'd
2008-05-23 23:36:28
115.   Reddog
Pitiful.
2008-05-23 23:36:29
116.   Gilberto Reyes
Time for surgery?
2008-05-23 23:36:37
117.   underdog
That was a pretty wicked slider, but still... kind of a predictable ending eh?

Well, that was anticlimatic.

2008-05-23 23:36:37
118.   Vishal
111 they'd better be boos
2008-05-23 23:36:46
119.   Bob Timmermann
There were boos and also rhythmic chants of "Andruw sucks"
2008-05-23 23:37:09
120.   scareduck
112 - even worse. Jones can't do anything on gift pitches.
2008-05-23 23:37:16
121.   Jacob Burch
119 Most of those were "An-druw Jones" from what I could hear.
2008-05-23 23:37:29
122.   Linkmeister
Maybe Andruw was 5-5 in his previous at-bats against Franklin? No? His usual futile self, huh?

Blech.

2008-05-23 23:37:35
123.   underdog
113 How was Torre outmanaged? I must've missed it.

Ah well. Night all!

2008-05-23 23:37:38
124.   Xeifrank
Well, that was like a bad dream. Wish I hadn't stayed up for that.
vr, Xei
2008-05-23 23:37:39
125.   Jacob Burch
119 That is, during the AB. They cut game sound after he K'd.
2008-05-23 23:38:27
126.   Zak
117 When I saw him make that poor swing on the 1-1 pitch to go 1-2, I honestly just knew that's the pitch they would go back to and he'd flail at it again.
2008-05-23 23:38:29
127.   LAT
I just turned it on. Were they chanting "Andruw Sucks!!!" If so, that is really weak, especially in the bootom of the 9th in a one run game. Nothing like undermining your last hope at winning.
2008-05-23 23:39:03
128.   Bob Timmermann
Andruw Jones is now 0 for 6 against Ryan Franklin.
2008-05-23 23:39:23
129.   scareduck
123 - using Jones as a pinch hitter? Surely there must have been a pitcher available...
2008-05-23 23:40:06
130.   Bob Timmermann
The other position players available would have been Maza and Ardoin.
2008-05-23 23:40:38
131.   bhsportsguy
129 Now that's a Rule 7 violation
2008-05-23 23:40:47
132.   Xeifrank
129. Bat-Flip Guo was available.
vr, Xei
2008-05-23 23:41:01
133.   Gilberto Reyes
How many times have we seen him swing at that same pitch, pull that back leg, and miss? I feel for the guy, but it is getting painful to watch.
2008-05-23 23:41:17
134.   nick
how could things, for Jones, get worse? seriously, no rule violations intended here: why not tell him, kindly but firmly "no operation? no at-bats for you"--I mean, by this point in the season, how can it not be just that simple??
2008-05-23 23:41:25
135.   Linkmeister
When is Torre going to say to Andruw, "this can't go on?"
2008-05-23 23:41:34
136.   Xeifrank
131. at this point, is it really?
vr, Xei
2008-05-23 23:42:22
137.   LAT
The problem with a game like tonight isnt so much that you lose but its the kind of game that sucks the life out of you. I hope its not the beginning of a losing streak.
2008-05-23 23:42:47
138.   NorCal-Dodger
Billz could've PH. Nonetheless, good to see Lowe go deep in a game. Kershaw on Sunday?
2008-05-23 23:42:57
139.   underdog
129 Yah, what 130 said. I mean, seriously, what choice did he have? Blame Andruw for suckitude, but I can't imagine how any other option would've been greeted with much excitement either.

At any rate, time to DL him. Kershaw comes up. Furcal activated, Maza goes down. Problems solved. Er, except Kershaw's not on the 40 man, so who gets cut?

Anyway, night all. And have a good weekend! I'll watch the Minotaur's debut, if it happens, in the archives on Monday.

2008-05-23 23:43:16
140.   Reddog
Maza is hitting .455. Torre should've sent him up there.
2008-05-23 23:43:32
141.   Eric Enders
129 Somehow, we ended up in a situation where we now have a five-man bench, four of whom can't hit at all (Sweeney, Jones, Bennett, Maza).
2008-05-23 23:43:58
142.   Eric Enders
Er, make that Ardoin. Same difference, really.

I might have sent Maza up in that situation, I guess.

2008-05-23 23:44:28
143.   Evan Darrow
Nice to see Lowe have a good outing, but unfortunate to see it ends up like so many of his Dodger starts: no assist from the offense.

On the Jones-as-a-PH note: Torre should've called his own number. He's gotta be a better hitter at this point.

2008-05-23 23:47:03
144.   NorCal-Dodger
When Kershaw comes up, need to bring up LaRoche also..Yhency and Maza goes down.
2008-05-23 23:47:19
145.   jasonungar07
45 For me it has nothing to do with asking price it's more direction in general. I think enough already with guys on the way down which Raffy is and start trusting the young talent we have or evaluate all our young talent and trade for other young talent and build that way.

After that, given even a below market contract for him, I feel the money would be better used to bring in guys (if you were to go FA route again) who can hit for power.

But yeah nothing is absolute you are right..Who knows as a nice guy he may want to reprove himself on a one year deal and that's a different thing altogether...

2008-05-23 23:47:52
146.   bhsportsguy
The game was lost when the Dodgers wasted chances when Martin doubled to lead off an inning, no one could get a hit with a man in scoring position, when it comes down to a pinch-hitter in the bottom of the ninth and two out, the best team in baseball is going to lose that game probably as many times as the Dodgers.
2008-05-23 23:48:52
147.   Eric Enders
By the way, we should now probably acknowledge that the sky wasn't actually falling with regard to Kemp's walk rate earlier in the year, as some feared. In his last 30 games he's walked in 9.2 percent of his plate appearances. That ain't Rickey Henderson, but it'll do.
2008-05-24 00:00:13
148.   Vishal
seriously, a single ties the game and a strikeout ends it. why send up a guy who couldn't make contact with the broad side of a barn? that's a perfect slap-hitter situation if ever there was one.
2008-05-24 00:00:21
149.   silverwidow
Sunday's game is straight-to-DVD over here.
2008-05-24 00:01:17
150.   jasonungar07
"and start trusting the young talent we have"

let me edit myself quickly. I realize we have alot of kids playing. I still feel don't feel management is all in. But I get that maybe I am to hopeful and un-realistic (LaRaoche and Young should be playing, right now for Kent and Pierre as example in my world and then let it roll)

So my edit is that instead of FA SS. Go with HU or SS with power via trade..(lol)

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2008-05-24 00:03:15
151.   Eric Enders
Have the surgery, Andruw.
2008-05-24 00:04:18
152.   Xeifrank
The Andruw Jones at-bat had a leverage index of 7.31, which is almost unheard of, and ended with a WPA of -.206. The Dodgers basically went from a win expectancy of 20.6% to 0.00% with one swing of the bat. The Dodgers could use a better bench bat. LaRoche or even Nomar would be an upgrade over the fruitless foursome at this point.
vr, Xei
2008-05-24 00:10:16
153.   silverwidow
Any guesses on who gets DFA'd Sunday morning? I'm pretty sure Brazoban will be OPTIONED, but another move could be jettisoning Mario Alvarez (awful and getting old for Double-A).
2008-05-24 00:10:18
154.   Jon Weisman
Kevin Pearson of the Press-Enterprise:

"Injured pitcher Esteban Loiaza is a possibility for the Tuesday start, Torre said."

http://www.pe.com/sports/baseball/dodgers/stories/PE_Sports_Local_D_dodgers_notes_24.3c7c9d6.html

I'm assuming Kuroda starts Tuesday if Kershaw starts Sunday, so maybe he means Loaiza for Wednesday. But that's Lowe's next turn. Maybe everyone's going to get an extra day of rest. I don't know. I just know it would be kind of strange to add Kershaw and Loaiza to the roster at the same time. (This is all putting aside whether Loaiza should be on the roster.)

Wade, Brazoban, Kuo and Park have combined to pitch three innings this entire week.

2008-05-24 00:10:41
155.   Eric Enders
"The Dodgers basically went from a win expectancy of 20.6% to 0.00% with one swing of the bat."

I take it that you actually mean three swings of the bat. Which raises the question, how much does the WPA change after each pitch when a batter gets in a hole with the count? Have you ever figured it out on a pitch-by-pitch basis?

2008-05-24 00:13:02
156.   Jon Weisman
It sure would be something if this was all one big tease, and Kershaw sticks in Jacksonville.
2008-05-24 00:13:14
157.   Eric Enders
153
Yhency to Vegas
Sweeney to waivers
Kershaw to L.A.
LaRoche to L.A.

Problem solved.

2008-05-24 00:15:30
158.   silverwidow
154 Loaiza is starting for Vegas on Monday in another rehab (according to Gurnick).
2008-05-24 00:17:39
159.   Xeifrank
155. No, pitch count is not one of the inputs to the function. So, perhaps for you, I should have said the Dodgers win expectancy went from 20.6% to 0.00% in one at-bat. :)
vr, Xei
2008-05-24 00:36:36
160.   Xeifrank
It was amazing how many opportunities the Dodgers had in friday nights game. They ended up with 27 plate appearances with an above average leverage index, while the Cardinals only had 9. In those 27 plate appearances the Dodgers hitters went 3 for 22, with 4 walks and a sac-fly. In the last 22 of those 27 plate appearances, Dodger hitters went 0 for 17 with four walks and a sac-fly.
vr, Xei
2008-05-24 03:36:16
161.   Dodger Jack
Las Vegas got 11 runs last night. LaRoche's line was three walks, no hits. He is hitting .236. But those three walks are just like hits, right? Guess it's time to call him up to replace DeWitt at third. Or force DeWitt to play second, which was tried unsuccessfully in 2006, when it negatively affected his hitting. Let's hear it from the LaRoche bandwagon.
2008-05-24 06:37:22
162.   herchyzer
161. I think the idea most have is not to dismiss what DeWitt has done or is likely to do, or exaggerate LaRoche's contribution, but to find a way to include both DeWitt AND LaRoche in the Dodgers plans, as it seems like they can both hit a baseball somewhat effectively.
2008-05-24 08:01:47
163.   old dodger fan
LaRoche has some unusual stats. Over the last 6 games he is 0 for 16 but has 6 walks, scored 3 runs and has 3 RBI's. Very productive 0 for 16.
2008-05-24 08:34:05
164.   Ken Arneson
BTW, I still have a copy of all the old all-baseball.com comments. They're not gone forever.

I've always meant to re-connect them to the old posts. But the problem is (a) it would require some programming I've never prioritized, and (b) that they're so full of spam that I've never had the time to go through them and clean it all up.

2008-05-24 08:45:53
165.   Jon Weisman
164 - Oh, that's cool. I'd be willing to put up with the spam, I think.

New post up top.

2008-05-24 08:56:17
166.   tethier
I don't know if it has been mentioned here yet, but is Matt Kemp becoming more slective? I see his BBs are up to 12 on the year - still not a lot, but he does have 3 more than Jeff kent. Kemp does have 16 more PAs.

I'm not sure why Torre won't move Kent lower in the order. I didn't think he was a cleanup hitter last year. Wasn't this one the reasons for getting Andruw - to have a legitimate 4th in the order hitter? Just because Jones has not worked out so far, does not seem like a reason to continue to bat Kent 4th.

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