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Bad, Bad OPS
2008-05-26 09:35
by Jon Weisman

In May 2006, I wrote somewhat optimistically about Jeff Kent in the wake of the second-worst month of his career - a .554 OPS.

In the past, Kent has usually recovered from bad months. Only in June-July 1994 has he had consecutive months with an OPS below .750.

Following the worst month of his career in April 1995, Kent's OPS jumped to .779 in May, .840 in June and .944 in July. He slumped in August (.654) but then was at .887 in September. Kent was 27 years old that year. ...

I wish I could tell you whether his current slump is due to age, health or just one of those things. (Despite a consistent line-drive percentage, Kent's batting average on balls in play this season is .211, compared to .298 in 2005 and .309 in 2004.) But if it continues past May, that'll be a first for him.

Kent did recover in 2006 - twice in fact. Here are his OPS marks by month that season:

April: .554
May: 1.066
June: .977
July: .601
August: .902
September/October: .933

Kent rebounds like Dennis Rodman (and isn't it about time those two were in the same sentence).

But with a week left in this particular May, Kent is poised to set a new standard for inefficiency. His OPS this month is .425. In 69 plate appearances, he has seven singles, a triple, a homer and five walks.

If there is any reason to think at age 40 he'll make yet another comeback, it would be that he has only struck out eight times this month and his batting average on balls in play is a gruesome .145. So maybe he's had bad luck. It was only last July that Kent OPSed 1.237 (.500 on-base percentage, .737 slugging percentage). My suspicion is that it isn't just a matter of luck anymore - it's that his athleticism and his ability to make solid, impressive, profound contact with a baseball has declined too far. But maybe, somehow, his muscles have one more warm month left in them.

* * *

Here's a list of the worst adjusted OPS seasons in Los Angeles Dodger history (minimum 150 plate appearances). Kent's in the top 50 for now, while Andruw Jones is nestled between Gene Michael and Alfredo Griffin in the top 10. Some other very familiar names dot the list.

No. 1? My goodness, did Maury Wills have a horrific farewell season: 17 for 132 with 10 walks, .129 batting average, .190 on-base percentage, .167 slugging percentage, .357 on-base percentage, OPS+ of 3.

* * *

A daytime start after traversing two time zones for the Dodgers:

Dodgers at Cubs, 11:20 a.m.

All my best to everyone on this Memorial Day, to those who have lost loved ones and to the memories of those lost. It's more than I'll ever be able to grasp.

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2008-05-26 09:41:59
1.   D4P
Seems pretty clear that Torre's not willing/able to "stand up" to Kent over his PT/spot in the lineup.
2008-05-26 09:45:21
2.   Marty
Even though it sounds weird, I wish everyone a happy Memorial Day.
2008-05-26 09:45:24
3.   tethier
86 from previous thread...

I just saw the lineup on ItD and thought the same thing. Why not throw Tiffee out there if you're going to give Loney a rest? I liked Maza at second yesterday - at short - not so much. Would Kent have had those two popups in short right yesterday?

2008-05-26 09:49:11
4.   old dodger fan
In ST who would have thought Sweeney, Kent, Maza and DeWitt would be our starting infield in a game in May?
2008-05-26 09:50:07
5.   Bob Timmermann
How many people knew the Dodgers had Luis Maza in the organization?
2008-05-26 09:55:24
6.   D4P
How many people knew Planet Earth had Luis Maza in the organization?
2008-05-26 09:56:55
7.   LAT
Kent will not play this poorly the remainer of the season. Remember JDS Uniphase still had a few good runs before it bottomed.
2008-05-26 10:09:17
8.   Jon Weisman
7 - I love that that stock has become our rallying cry.
2008-05-26 10:13:47
9.   Bob Timmermann
The dizzying highs and the terrifying lows.
2008-05-26 10:14:50
10.   Bob Timmermann
Buddy Carlyle was activated from the DL today.
2008-05-26 10:16:58
11.   Bob Timmermann
And Arizona reactivated Chad Tracy today.
2008-05-26 10:17:08
12.   scareduck
7 - True. It's possible for him to get worse.
2008-05-26 10:27:09
13.   Bob Timmermann
2-0 Braves over AZ in the first against Webb.
2008-05-26 10:36:24
14.   JL25and3
BABIP for batters isn't necessarily a matter of luck. Since 2006, Kent's line drive % has gone from 22.9 to 17.5 to 15.4, while his ground ball % has risen from 33.7 to 37.8 to 43.1.

So maybe his low BABIP is a function of his decreasing ability to drive the ball.

2008-05-26 10:46:41
15.   regfairfield
14 It is, but no one should have a BABIP under .200 or so.
2008-05-26 10:50:53
16.   twerp
OT....posted this during the thread about favorite sportswriters, but linked to a googilized version which was a foul ball in a couple ways, including cutting off the very powerful ending.

Have since found the real thing and am relinking it here on Memorial Day since the subject matter ties in somewhat with that--even though it was written about Christmastime, 1945.

In my original post on this I said probably not too many DT readers had seen it. Also, it's a serious debunking of the idea that sportswriters can't write other things well. Anyone with a sense of history and appreciation of good writing, which quite a few DTers have, probably will enjoy it.

For those who may have read it the first time--or tried to--this original version is worth a reread because it's actually the whole thing, including the ending, which I think particularly appropriate today.

2008-05-26 11:03:38
17.   sporky
Arizona down 5-1 in Atlanta. Mark Reynold made a throwing error on Jair Jurrjen's bunt, and eventually allowed for 2 more runs to score in the second.
2008-05-26 11:06:53
18.   twerp
Someone last thread mentioned Mitch Williams....every time I see his name it reminds me of an item in Sports Illustrated describing how in one relief appearance he walked the bases full, then struck out the side, giving his manager fits.

The item appeared under a heading of "Wild make everything groovy."

I think Williams went on to try the pro bowlers tour after baseball, where he wasn't totally embarrassed but also didn't win much money, IIRC.

2008-05-26 11:08:14
19.   JoeyP
Courtesy of the Dodgers' future 1st basemen--Mark Teixeira. 2-2, with 4 RBIs.

James Loney's season to date:
And some really bad defense.

2008-05-26 11:09:40
20.   StolenMonkey86
THT's PrOPS says Kent should be hitting .269/.312/.415 based on his batted ball types. I think Kent will rebound a bit, although his walk rate dropping this year does seem to stick out.
2008-05-26 11:16:54
21.   LA Native
Anyone care to share their favorite announcers in LA Dodger history. I think the first choice is unanimous for everyone, but I'd be interested to hear the other choices. Here is my list (I'll only give play by play announcers):

1. Vin Scully
2. Don Drysdale
3. Jerry Doggett
4. Charley Steiner
5. Rick Monday
6. Ross Porter

No need to say more on Vin. He is slowing down some, but still the best even in his 80s. I thought Drysdale was underrated as an announcer. He added a spark and obviously knew a great deal about the game as a former player that none of the previous announcers had. I actually like his rarely played call of Gibson's home run even better than Vin's or Jack Buck's who were doing it for national audiences.

Doggett was fairly solid, and had such an easygoing and pleasant style in calling the games. I didn't like the Steiner signing much, but he has grown on me a bit. Monday knows the game as well as anyone, but his monotone broadcasting voice and style just seems to turn me off no matter how much I like the guy.

Ross Porter called the game a little more smoothly and natural than Monday does and was an overall nice guy. Not sure I can ever forgive McCourt for how poorly they treated him in getting rid of him in his 28th season. He was a class guy, but I think he really knew very little about the game despite giving off those horribly inane and meaningless stats every game about the Dodgers being 12-2 in one run games played on astroturf on Saturday games during the year.

2008-05-26 11:18:12
22.   Kevin P
19 I see this a lot. Do most of you think giving up on Loney for Teixeira is the right thing to do? After waiting for Loney to finally be promoted last season, why the quick turn around? His line isn't great right now but it's not horrible. And his defense has looked pretty mediocre at times but take out those throws to second and the pop on the head yesterday and I can't think of many other terribly embarrassing plays...
2008-05-26 11:19:12
23.   regfairfield
Can anyone actually say how many throwing errors Loney has this season?
2008-05-26 11:21:39
24.   Marty
JoeyP has a long-standing disdain for Loney. Most others here like him more.
2008-05-26 11:22:36
25.   LoneStar7
22 actually take away those two plays and your left with a quite a few really good plays..and 19 is this Ned himself speaking?

.262 5 27 .348 .415...why are these numbers worth trading young talent for?

2008-05-26 11:23:30
26.   JoeyP
22-Trading prospects for Teixeira wouldnt have been smart last year.

But signing him as a free agent is absolutely the right move. Over the next 5yrs, the only advantage Loney will have is he's cheaper.

Teixeira will likely be the better player. Loney would be a fine backup though.

2008-05-26 11:23:46
27.   Kevin P
Loney has 5 errors. Tex has 2.
2008-05-26 11:24:54
28.   JoeyP
25--Because Teixeira is much more proven. And there's no need to trade, simply sign as a free agent.
2008-05-26 11:26:13
29.   Greg Brock
22 Addressing no problem with 120 million dollars would be awesome.
2008-05-26 11:26:54
30.   D4P
That kid with the blue mohawk reminds me of Clark Peters from "King of the Hill".
2008-05-26 11:28:23
31.   JoeyP
I've never seen Pierre take 6 pitches in a row.
2008-05-26 11:28:35
32.   scareduck
19 . 22 - James Loney is twenty-four years old. I'm not sure if 19 promotes a deal for Teixeira, but if it does, it would be one of the dumbest ideas I've read here on DT in a great long while.

I will admit this much: PECOTA hates him (RR):

Most of his comps are on a downhill slide, but that said, PECOTA tends to get lost in the early part of careers when all you have to go on is minor league numbers. Further, I point to the career of one Paul Konerko, whom the Dodgers threw away in his age 22 season for the privilege of watching Jeff Shaw close their games for one good and two mediocre years. What fun that was! (And that's without mentioning Tommy Lasorda's screwup on Shaw's contract!)

2008-05-26 11:29:30
33.   D4P
If I were a pitcher facing Juan Pierre, I would throw strikes at all costs, even if it meant lobbing it 50 MPH down the middle.
2008-05-26 11:30:50
34.   scareduck
28 - okay, 19 is officially ridiculous.
2008-05-26 11:32:40
35.   Icaros
What a great baserunner.
2008-05-26 11:32:53
36.   Bob Timmermann
Each time Texeira has an Ofer, we will have to make note of it.
2008-05-26 11:33:14
37.   Andrew Shimmin
Haven't gotten anyone caught in a rundown in a good week or two. I was starting to miss it.
2008-05-26 11:33:53
38.   Greg Brock
I can't tell where parody begins and seriousness ends. It's like a mobius strip.
2008-05-26 11:35:21
39.   Icaros
Dodgers baseball and psychedelic drugs go together like root beer and ice cream.
2008-05-26 11:36:52
40.   D4P
Worse leadoff hitter:

Pierre or Soriano?

2008-05-26 11:36:52
41.   D4P
Worse leadoff hitter:

Pierre or Soriano?

2008-05-26 11:37:10
42.   Ken Noe
It's hard for me to blame Pierre--I too would have been shocked that Sweeney made contact.
2008-05-26 11:38:25
43.   D4P
I too would have been shocked that Sweeney made contact

...especially with Kent batting.

2008-05-26 11:38:27
44.   68elcamino427
From the BR today.
Mr. T 262/348/415 5 HR's

Five years from now he will be 33 years old.

2008-05-26 11:38:56
45.   Bob Timmermann
Pierre has a higher OBP than Soriano. There is the matter of 11 home runs that Soriano has that could be figured in.
2008-05-26 11:40:16
46.   Andrew Shimmin
2008-05-26 11:41:15
47.   regfairfield
44 It's still early. Just like Loney will probably improve, Teixiera will too.
2008-05-26 11:41:22
48.   Ken Noe
43 So true.
2008-05-26 11:41:23
49.   Greg Brock
Must be nice to miss a ball and hit it out of the yard.

Derek Lee is crazy strong.

2008-05-26 11:43:29
50.   JoeyP
Wind is blowing out today.
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2008-05-26 11:46:08
51.   Rob M
Steve Lyons' defense of Pierre was painful.
2008-05-26 11:46:31
52.   DXMachina
49 - Pity the Cubs traded Hee-Seop Choi to get him. (runs waya)
2008-05-26 11:47:04
53.   Andrew Shimmin
51- Hey, who could have guessed the Cubs would have a second baseman?
2008-05-26 11:47:35
54.   DXMachina
52 - "(runs away)" I can't even escape properly.
2008-05-26 11:47:36
55.   Rob M
"He's not looking at DeRosa (who was about 3 feet behind Theriot directly in Pierre's line of sight), that's a good, aggressive play..."
2008-05-26 11:48:56
56.   Greg Brock
On this Memorial Day, let us not forget the countless virtual soldiers killed by Choi grenades.
2008-05-26 11:49:03
57.   Rob M
That said, I like the fact that Juan seems to be trying to take more pitches. If he morphs into Brett Butler I'll be pleasantly surprised.
2008-05-26 11:49:32
58.   Bob Timmermann
And Hee-Seop Choi begat Guillermo Mota, among others, and Mota begat Hanley Ramirez (among others.)
2008-05-26 11:50:58
59.   jasonungar07
Rob as a leadoff hitter Juan has a OBP of less than .290

He has 9 runs scored in 18 games.

Brett Butler is a long ways away.

2008-05-26 11:50:59
60.   Sam NYC
I know this may be off-topic, but in the process of thinking that Kershaw-Billingsley may be the new Koufax-Drysdale, I decided to look at Drysdale's career stats and ... why is he is Hall of Famer? He only won 15 games seven times in his career and he doesn't have any of the standard numbers for HOFers. His lifetime record isn't even that impressive, only 40 games above .500. If he's a HOFer, isn't Hershiser?
2008-05-26 11:52:12
61.   Andrew Shimmin
Torre's so smart. He saw how good having a second baseman worked out for the Cubs, and he went ahead and copied it.
2008-05-26 11:52:35
62.   regfairfield
59 If Juan Pierre hits like has the whole year, I would have no beef with him if he weren't a corner outfielder.
2008-05-26 11:53:46
63.   Bob Timmermann
Drysdale is one of the classic borderline HOFers. He benefited from being on good teams and being popular with members of the BBWAA.
2008-05-26 11:54:24
64.   Greg Brock
The WGN America logo looks like it's from a dystopian uber-dictatorship.
2008-05-26 11:56:02
65.   Johnson
64 In dystopian uber-dictatorship, you do not watch WGN, WGN watches you.
2008-05-26 11:56:05
66.   Marty
64 Watch it buster. That's MY dystopian uber-dictatorship your making fun of.
2008-05-26 11:57:22
67.   jasonungar07
62 Seriously? And if he wasn't in leadoff. Or 2-7 hole. Or 8 hole. Or...

In another Month JP's numbers will be where they have been the last 3 years...

We'll talk then.

Just look at the drop off between him and Furcal..

2008-05-26 11:57:38
68.   Greg Brock
The Cubs have always been at war with the Cardinals.

The Cardinals have always been at war with the Cubs.

2008-05-26 11:57:46
69.   MMSMikey
ugh, get out of the way dumpster c'mon.
2008-05-26 11:57:53
70.   bhsportsguy
60 Bill James went through this in his first Historical Abstract.

Part of the reason is career record was not that great was the lack of run support. But basically James concluded that Drysdale was (1) one of most famous pitchers of his time, (2) He had an impact on a number of pennant races, and (3) helped his teams win.

2008-05-26 11:59:47
71.   Gen3Blue
Thanks for mentioning WGN guys, I remembered I had it in my DTV package.
I'd been sitting here simmering at Gameday and watching the Snakes with the Braves announcers.
2008-05-26 11:59:51
72.   regfairfield
67 That's probably true, but just looking at Pierre's leadoff numbers and ignoring that he's been pretty solid elsewhere in the lineup isn't fair to him.

I also forgot he was slugging .321.

2008-05-26 12:00:24
73.   bhsportsguy
So basically folks are back at being upset at Juan Pierre playing everyday again.

He certainly is going to be playing while Jones is out and he is going to bat leadoff until Furcal comes back.

But everyone knows that but yet they complain.

2008-05-26 12:01:00
74.   Sam NYC
70 - Couldn't you say the same about Hershiser?
2008-05-26 12:01:31
75.   Greg Brock
I can't think of a worse feeling than having a great day camping and rafting, only to find the cooler is full of Busch Light.
2008-05-26 12:01:56
76.   Bob Timmermann
Maza needs a hit today to move into the known #2 slot for longest hitting streak by a Dodger to start his career. Maza is at 5. Dick Gray had a streak at 6. Matt Kemp had a streak of 7.

Other Dodgers with streaks of 5 straight games with hits to start their career:
The black Mike Ramsey
Don LeJohn
Doug Camilli
Don Sutton

There could have been a longer streak earlier.

2008-05-26 12:02:15
77.   JoeyP
73--Its Dodger Mgmt decision that Pierre play everyday.

LaRoche could very easily be called up and play LF.

2008-05-26 12:03:11
78.   Evan Darrow
72 - Sounds about right for the team SLG for the past week or so.

This game is starting to look eerily reminiscent of Lowe's last start: one bad pitch for two runs, Dodgers still lose.

2008-05-26 12:03:24
79.   Rob M
62 If Pierre was a Mazeroski level defensive 2B and not a lefty thrower I could easily live with his offensive production.

Better yet if he could pitch like Kershaw. As a pitcher, he makes a hell of a nice hitter.

2008-05-26 12:03:27
80.   Andrew Shimmin
73- Back? Who left?
2008-05-26 12:05:43
81.   bhsportsguy
80 Well there was a period when Jones was active that people wanted this outfield.

Why is there this insistence that a player who has played nothing but 3B can now play major league level outfield.

2008-05-26 12:06:21
82.   scareduck
Helen's still on her way back from the gym. I hate to disabuse her of the notion that she'll get to hear Vinny call this game.
2008-05-26 12:07:02
83.   imperabo
Drysdale was in top 10 in ERA 9 times, to Hershiser's 5. Drysdale had a 121 career ERA+ to Hershiser's 112. There's a signifcant difference between them, though it looks like Hersh had a better peak.
2008-05-26 12:07:02
84.   sporky
LaRoche is playing 1B again.
2008-05-26 12:07:20
85.   DXMachina
70 - And then in his book about the Hall of Fame (Politics of Glory) James changed his mind and argued that Drysdale didn't belong after all.
2008-05-26 12:08:07
86.   Sam NYC
77 - You can't be serious. Laroche has played 7 games in the outfield in his entire career.
2008-05-26 12:08:10
87.   regfairfield
84 They just want him to have the versatility that Terry Tiffee does.
2008-05-26 12:08:24
88.   JoeyP
Because anyone can play LF in the majors.--see Adam Dunn, Manny Ramirez,etc.
And even they are bad at LF, the amount you gain in having LaRoche's bat in the lineup instead of Pierre makes up for it.

Its also Dodger Mgmt decision that Pierre bat leadoff.

Just because "we know its going to happen" doesnt make the decison any less wrong. And this is a baseball blog that discusses both good and bad that goes on with the Dodgers.

2008-05-26 12:08:33
89.   scareduck
Ethier doubles! Woot!
2008-05-26 12:09:05
90.   68elcamino427

Should power producers coming out of the ped generation be subject to careful evaluation?

2008-05-26 12:09:20
91.   Marty
I'm upset that I'd rather see Pierre than Jones. That's a fine kettle of fish.
2008-05-26 12:09:40
92.   scareduck
Dempster has been shockingly effective as a starter this year.
2008-05-26 12:09:44
93.   Bob Timmermann
Todd Hundley would disagree with the notion that anyone can play leftfield.
2008-05-26 12:10:30
94.   regfairfield
90 Did he decide to stop taking them three years after testing started?
2008-05-26 12:10:48
95.   Evan Darrow
Oh hey look, a run-scoring opportunity!
2008-05-26 12:10:57
96.   regfairfield
93 So would James Loney.
2008-05-26 12:11:45
97.   oshea2002
Why is K Cal showing the eastern starting times of other games?
2008-05-26 12:12:20
98.   Bob Timmermann
If DeWitt has earned the nickname of The Solution, I think most people here would dub LaRoche, "The Panacea."

Or possibly "The Nostrum."

2008-05-26 12:12:26
99.   Evan Darrow
So now its up to Kent and Sweeney...

95 - Never mind...

2008-05-26 12:12:46
100.   Greg Brock
Teixeira needs to sign an extension so we can move on.
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2008-05-26 12:12:59
101.   bhsportsguy
I'm not saying Andy LaRoche can't play LF but I'd like to see him do it first before just bringing him up and putting him there.
2008-05-26 12:13:08
102.   D4P
LaRoche has 31 BBs and 8 Ks in LV this season.
2008-05-26 12:14:27
103.   MMSMikey
a leadoff double, cant get him in, good job guys.
2008-05-26 12:14:59
104.   68elcamino427

What is the status of the condition of LaRoche's right thumb? Has he regained full strength?
Could this be hampering his ability to throw the ball and to swing the bat?

2008-05-26 12:15:00
105.   scareduck
96 - except Loney was playing right.
2008-05-26 12:15:27
106.   Gen3Blue
Here's exactly the situation you could rest Martin if you had a good back-up. But Torre can't put our guy in whens he's got Kent and Sweeney in the middle of the line-up.
Martin has a right to look a bit tired.
2008-05-26 12:15:36
107.   Evan Darrow
103 - Can't even get him off second.
2008-05-26 12:15:50
108.   MMSMikey
wow, nice cut there mike.
2008-05-26 12:16:02
109.   scareduck
Hm. This looks familiar. Where have I seen this before?
2008-05-26 12:16:05
110.   Bob Timmermann
2008-05-26 12:16:09
111.   oshea2002
wow are we struggling with risp.
2008-05-26 12:16:31
112.   MMSMikey
lol, mark.
2008-05-26 12:16:33
113.   bhsportsguy
106 Except you would have people upset that he is not catching Billingsley.
2008-05-26 12:16:38
114.   imperabo
88 It won't happen because most people overrate sins of commission relative sins of omission. One error that LaRoche commits will carry more weight than 10 homers or walks that Pierre omits. Humans are stupid like that.
2008-05-26 12:16:53
115.   Bob Timmermann
Know your Sweeneys:
2008-05-26 12:18:22
116.   scareduck
Four years ago, GM was predicting oil was going to come down from $45/bbl. Now every carmaker is practically paying you to take their SUV output off their hands.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for them.

2008-05-26 12:20:35
117.   Evan Darrow
115 - No confusing the two here, Mike actually gets hits.
2008-05-26 12:20:41
118.   scareduck
Charlie Steiner says the Cubs haven't had a winning season since 1992. That must come as news to their NL Central competitors, who trailed the 85-77 2007 team.
2008-05-26 12:20:54
119.   the count
Is anyone else watching the game on WGN? Is the TV gun off or is Billingsley's velocity down today?
2008-05-26 12:21:23
120.   bhsportsguy
Bob, the Preseason No. 1 Baseball America College team did make the NCAA playoffs as the No. 2 seed in Cal State Fullerton Regional.

They lost to Fullerton all three times this season.

2008-05-26 12:21:33
121.   regfairfield
Is there a good reason why Japanese hitters lose all their power in the States?
2008-05-26 12:22:14
122.   scareduck
The Los Angeles Dodgers have won five titles, not six.
2008-05-26 12:22:43
123.   Andrew Shimmin
121- Racism.
2008-05-26 12:23:24
124.   imperabo
118 That's odd. They've had lots of winning seasons since 1992. 1992 not among them.
2008-05-26 12:23:28
125.   MMSMikey
wow kmep catch touch a breaking ball right now
2008-05-26 12:24:43
126.   Greg Brock
According to Bob Brenley, Matt Kemp is developmentally disabled.
2008-05-26 12:24:44
127.   Bob Timmermann
I already had a post about that.

The pitchers are a lot better for one thing. And the Japanese play in a lot of domed stadiums and nearly every domed stadium in Japan gives up a lot of homers. Fukudome's home park, the Nagoya Dome, has been a good home run park.

2008-05-26 12:24:46
128.   Evan Darrow
119 - Gameday has his fastball anywhere between 90-94, tho' he's thrown a few that it lists as cutters that're in the 87-89 range.

121 - Japanese stadiums are on average smaller then ML ballparks.

2008-05-26 12:25:01
129.   MMSMikey
lets leave him at 2nd again
2008-05-26 12:25:28
130.   scareduck
Yay, double. Now, let's see if anybody can cash him in.
2008-05-26 12:25:43
131.   Blaine
The WGN announcers ripped Kemp with all kinds of horrible generalizations. Then he got a double. haha.
2008-05-26 12:26:34
132.   Bob Timmermann
Japanese stadiums are about the same size as MLB parks. Hiroshima is the only undersized park left.
2008-05-26 12:26:37
133.   Johnson
Among the list of negatives that the WGN announcers did NOT include in their diatribe about the horrible things that Matt Kemp does: Matt Kemp puts all three pickle slices right on top of each other when makes your Big Mac.
2008-05-26 12:26:38
134.   CanuckDodger
Man, Chad is really pounding the strike zone today. 43 pitches in four innings.

119 -- On Gameday, Chad's fastball velocity appears normal: mostly 91 to 93 MPH. He throws his cutter a lot, at 89 or 90, and maybe you are thinking those are fastballs.

2008-05-26 12:26:39
135.   regfairfield
127 I do see that, but I would think it would cut your home runs in half at most. Guys like Kaz Matsui and Iwamura go from hitting 35 bombs in a year to 8.
2008-05-26 12:26:44
136.   Bluebleeder87
very nice, I just noticed the D-Backs are playing catch up in "HotLanta" let's hope the Dodgers get some timely hits put a couple of runs together.
2008-05-26 12:26:48
137.   Sam NYC
What about this rotation (1b, 2b, ss, 3b):

Kent, Dewitt, Hu/Furcal, Laroche (once)
Loney, Kent, Hu/Furcal, Dewitt (four times)
Loney, Dewitt, Hu/Furcal, Laroche (twice)

You give Kent two days off per week, try Dewitt out at second, and Laroche gets three starts per week plus ph duty.

2008-05-26 12:26:52
138.   D4P
DeWitt was probably more deserving of a double there than Kemp.
2008-05-26 12:26:55
139.   scareduck
At least DeWitt gets his man over.
2008-05-26 12:26:59
140.   Evan Darrow
Wow, another leadoff double. Lets see how they fail to score again THIS time.
2008-05-26 12:27:12
141.   Gen3Blue
It's not surprising who have had hits to lead off the last two innings, although it seems a surprise to management.
2008-05-26 12:27:22
142.   regfairfield
Maza is a very short man.
2008-05-26 12:27:53
143.   scareduck
131 - they must be getting their game notes from Fox, or the Dodgers.
2008-05-26 12:28:11
144.   bhsportsguy
127 Sorry about that. UCLA winning 5 out 6 in their last Pac-10 competition helped.
2008-05-26 12:28:30
145.   scareduck
Huh. Maza walks.
2008-05-26 12:29:08
146.   scareduck
Wow, they're letting Bills bat.
2008-05-26 12:29:14
147.   Bluebleeder87

From what I've read recently your better of trusting Gamedays gun.

2008-05-26 12:29:36
148.   Eric Enders
The Cubs announcers have a scouting report on Kemp that's a year or two old and they're clinging to it for dear life. Talking about baserunning problems, throwing to the wrong base, how he might be good "if he can ever learn the game." Harping on how he can't hit breaking balls. Their heads would probably explode if someone told them the truth, which is that Kemp now can only hit breaking balls.

Then he hit an breaking pitch for a hit, took the extra base, and they were forced to admit "nice baserunning there by Kemp."

2008-05-26 12:30:07
149.   bhsportsguy
147 So how was the game?
2008-05-26 12:30:10
150.   Rob M
146 You surprised that they're letting him swing or that they're not pinch hitting for him?
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2008-05-26 12:30:44
151.   Evan Darrow
And its in the hands of Juan Pierre...
2008-05-26 12:30:44
152.   scareduck
I'm confused: why wasn't a suicide squeeze on there?

Guess I'm too used to Scioscia running games.

2008-05-26 12:31:06
153.   Bob Timmermann
There is a big difference in the way pitchers work hitters in Japan than there is in MLB. There is a lot of nibbling and trying to get the batter to get himself out. There aren't that many pitchers in Japan who can blow away a hitter with high heat.

Those pitchers end up coming to the U.S.

Instead there are a bunch of guys who throw lots and lots of offspeed stuff. Either they hang a curve or finally have to come over the plate with an 85 mph fastball and then

2008-05-26 12:31:14
154.   scareduck
150 - that they're letting him swing.
2008-05-26 12:32:45
155.   Bluebleeder87

It was awesome BH thanks for the ticks, you really notice the tailing action on fastballs from that location & you also get to appreciate defense from that view point.

2008-05-26 12:32:52
156.   LAT
Syracuse wins NCAA Men's Lacrosse Championship
2008-05-26 12:33:03
157.   Andrew Shimmin
Rye bread is my grandmother!
2008-05-26 12:33:12
158.   scareduck
Pierre accidentally comes through!
2008-05-26 12:33:18
159.   Greg Brock
That's a laser in the box score.
2008-05-26 12:33:45
160.   regfairfield
153 Gotcha, thanks.
2008-05-26 12:33:47
161.   Johnson
137 I suggested something very similar yesterday, though I also had DeWitt getting some time off. I think it seems like a good outline to me, getting time for Blake and LaRoche and getting rest for Kent.

Yay for RBI infield singles!

2008-05-26 12:33:58
162.   Vaudeville Villain
Pierre with a powerful cut.
2008-05-26 12:34:02
163.   Marty
That was hilarious. Does that increase Pierre's line drive percentage?
2008-05-26 12:35:13
164.   Bob Timmermann
So, are you going to throw that run back like it was a small fish caught in a pond?
2008-05-26 12:35:33
165.   Bluebleeder87
It was pretty cool too cause I was telling my friend that Broxton can hit, if he were to get a hold of one he could really drive it (I've heard & seen on t.v. that he can handle the bat quit nicely)

he wasn't convinced though, lol

2008-05-26 12:36:22
166.   Vishal
156 nice, go 'cuse!
2008-05-26 12:36:34
167.   D4P
Bob is not gruntled today.
2008-05-26 12:36:51
168.   scareduck
164 - no, because small private ponds can be stocked.
2008-05-26 12:37:01
169.   bhsportsguy
What are the WGN guys saying about Chad?
2008-05-26 12:37:18
170.   Bluebleeder87

hehehe, that was a good one

2008-05-26 12:37:41
171.   Icaros
So, are you going to throw that run back like it was a small fish caught in a pond?

Is Pierre the small fish and the pond the baseball free-agent pool?

2008-05-26 12:38:09
172.   Bob Timmermann
I resisted making an extremely rude remark about what the NCAA lacrosse champions get as a reward.

Now, it is just implied.

2008-05-26 12:38:56
173.   Marty
I've fished all my life and have never thrown one back. Catch and release is not my philosophy.
2008-05-26 12:39:32
174.   Bob Timmermann
Jim Edmomds and Andruw Jones need to form a support group.
2008-05-26 12:40:13
175.   Bob Timmermann
No one ever taught me to fish.

Hence, I am always hungry.

Or buying fish at the market.

2008-05-26 12:40:24
176.   Vishal
i saw cal make a dramatic bottom-of-the-9th comeback yesterday against UCLA and win it in 10 on a walkoff homer. good times :)

the first two games of the series looked to significantly uglier, though.

2008-05-26 12:40:28
177.   scareduck
173 - catch and filet is my philosophy. If I ever caught any.
2008-05-26 12:42:17
178.   Bob Timmermann
The Bears are in the Long Beach regional with the 49ers, Fresno State, and USD.

That will be a very tough regional.

2008-05-26 12:42:43
179.   Vaudeville Villain
Just to belabor the analogy, that hit was more like catching a shoe, but being starving, you eat it anyway for its marginal nutritional value.
2008-05-26 12:42:45
180.   Bluebleeder87

They both seem very impressed with him, especially the former Giants catcher his name escapes me right now, but he really seems to like Billz.

2008-05-26 12:43:00
181.   Vishal
billingsley's fastball is very consistent in the 90-93 mph range on gameday. is it just me or wasn't he fairly regularly hitting 94-96 last year?
2008-05-26 12:43:44
182.   Vishal
178 yeah, i'm not particularly hopeful.
2008-05-26 12:44:18
183.   Gen3Blue
This is certainly a good time to make Dempster throw some pitches.
2008-05-26 12:44:30
184.   Ken Noe
180 That's Bob Brenly.
2008-05-26 12:44:59
185.   Icaros
I have only been able to catch fish (and quite a few) in the state of Oklahoma. Not even a throwback anywhere else.
2008-05-26 12:45:02
186.   Vaudeville Villain

I think he was always around 92-94 with the fastball. I could be wrong.

2008-05-26 12:45:14
187.   Evan Darrow
Considering how regularly he lost the zone last year, I'll take a loss of an MPH or two if the tradeoff is: 61 pitches, 43 strikes, 1 BB in 5 IP.
2008-05-26 12:46:06
188.   berkowit28
174 I noticed Wrigley fans were booing Edmonds. Sounded familiar.
2008-05-26 12:46:18
189.   D4P
I'm predicting a Dodger victory today.
2008-05-26 12:47:01
190.   Bluebleeder87
Kent needs to start pulling his weight...
2008-05-26 12:47:08
191.   CanuckDodger
181 -- Last year Billingsley's fastball was harder when he was in the bullpen, but as a starter last year he was basically 90 to 94, same as now.
2008-05-26 12:47:16
192.   scareduck
185 - have you tried the private ponds in Anaheim near Angels Stadium?
2008-05-26 12:47:27
193.   Evan Darrow
Double play opportunity for Kent.
2008-05-26 12:47:37
194.   Vaudeville Villain

Against Ryan Dempster? Unheard of.

2008-05-26 12:48:16
195.   MMSMikey
sweeney bunt?
2008-05-26 12:48:48
196.   Vaudeville Villain
Yeesh, Martin watch yourself.
2008-05-26 12:48:55
197.   Greg Brock
I used to fish all the time when I lived in New England. Loved it. And yet I never fish anymore.

I don't even know where Southern Californians go to fish. Pyramid Lake? Lake Arrowhead?

2008-05-26 12:49:13
198.   MMSMikey
thats works.
2008-05-26 12:49:31
199.   Evan Darrow
Kent needs to start PULLING. I can't remember the last time he had a hit to left field.

Not that I'm complaining about going the other way mind you, just it seems he's incapable of it at this point.

2008-05-26 12:49:47
200.   Bluebleeder87
Golden opportunity has presented it's self right here, let's go Dodgers! [clap clap]
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2008-05-26 12:49:55
201.   Vishal
186 , 191 i guess i'm wrong then. i knew it sat in the low 90s, but i thought every so often he'd reach back and hit 95 or so. i know i saw him start in san diego once, for example... the stadium guns could have been off though.
2008-05-26 12:50:01
202.   scareduck
For reasons of domestic tranquility, I am now forced to watch WGN instead of the domestic HD Prime feed. Apparently Dempster is flirting with the Dodgers, but I couldn't see a wink.
2008-05-26 12:50:59
203.   scareduck
197 - off the various piers. Day boats are popular, too.
2008-05-26 12:51:04
204.   Icaros

No, I never did. I'm really not an avid fisherman, so I'm working with some small samples sizes.

But I did go on one of those boat trips around Catalina a few years ago and swear that I was the only person to not catch anything.

2008-05-26 12:51:16
205.   CanuckDodger
Does anybody else share my sentiments that Billingsley's curve is better than Kershaw's? Two different kinds of curves, really. Kershaw's slower, loopier curve looks prettier, but I have always thought that tighter curves with a little more velocity are more likely to fool batters and are easier to command.
2008-05-26 12:52:15
206.   Vaudeville Villain
Nice AB by Kemp.
2008-05-26 12:52:28
207.   bhsportsguy
good eye Matt.
2008-05-26 12:52:35
208.   scareduck
Luis Maza could be a hero again with an RBI single, or even a walk. Or a hit-by-pitch.
2008-05-26 12:53:03
209.   scareduck
208 - oops, did I say Maza? I meant DeWitt.
2008-05-26 12:53:14
210.   sporky
Keep the streak alive!
2008-05-26 12:53:41
211.   Evan Darrow
Now if Kemp could just start driving the ball. Oddly unnoticed (I know its been mentioned here a few times), but Kemp has developed some fairly decent discipline the last month or so.
2008-05-26 12:54:23
212.   Longhorn Bill
Brenly is such an idiot.
2008-05-26 12:55:19
213.   MMSMikey
that 2-2 pitch was a hanger
2008-05-26 12:55:41
214.   MMSMikey
the 2nd 2-2 pitch wasnt
2008-05-26 12:55:41
215.   scareduck
6-for-7 with the bases loaded isn't too bad.
2008-05-26 12:56:10
216.   Greg Brock
21 I think it bears saying every few minutes.
2008-05-26 12:56:55
217.   Bluebleeder87
don't try & be a hero Maza take what he gives you EVEN A WALK!!
2008-05-26 12:56:56
218.   scareduck
Okay, so now my 208 is right.
2008-05-26 12:57:03
219.   Bob Hendley
Bigtime pitch.
2008-05-26 12:57:10
220.   MMSMikey
ohh, that was not a strike
2008-05-26 12:57:11
221.   Greg Brock
That was for 212 .
2008-05-26 12:57:15
222.   bhsportsguy
Why does the Bad News Bears come to mind?
2008-05-26 12:57:15
223.   Bluebleeder87
that was NOT a strike, sigh!
2008-05-26 12:57:34
224.   nofatmike
I think pitchers are beginning to figure DeWitt out, his OPS is now below .830.
2008-05-26 12:57:38
225.   trainwreck
Well that was weak.
2008-05-26 12:57:39
226.   scareduck
218 - no heroism for anybody. Guys? Guys?
2008-05-26 12:57:45
227.   MMSMikey
how do you call that pitch a strike.
2008-05-26 12:58:01
228.   Evan Darrow
Nicely done guys, you really put the fear of Dodger bats in their hearts there.
2008-05-26 12:58:58
229.   Evan Darrow
224 - Had to happen sooner or later.
2008-05-26 12:59:07
230.   Bob Timmermann
Is Blake DeWitt on the Charly Gordon career path?
2008-05-26 12:59:37
231.   Ken Noe
Bases loaded, pitcher struggling, what do you do? Brenly's solution: pick off Kemp. "He daydreams out there."
2008-05-26 12:59:49
232.   Greg Brock
224 The Blake DeWitt Marching and Chowder Society is not worried.
2008-05-26 13:00:22
233.   Vaudeville Villain
On the subject of Kemp's newfound patience, here's this:

2007 ABS: 292 BBS: 16

2008 ABS: 165 BBS: 12

His slugging percentage is way down this year, so far, though.

2008-05-26 13:00:55
234.   bhsportsguy
Soriano could help out by swinging and missing here.
2008-05-26 13:01:18
235.   scareduck
230 - who? I mean, I know that's part of the point, but he doesn't even show up in B-Ref.
2008-05-26 13:01:55
236.   Bluebleeder87
This umpire is definitely NOT consistent.
2008-05-26 13:02:29
237.   scareduck
231 - despite the fact that there was nobody at first to make that play. I thought it hi-larious.
2008-05-26 13:02:48
238.   Bob Timmermann
Here is a clue:
2008-05-26 13:02:55
239.   regfairfield
235 It's pretty cruel once you figure it out.
2008-05-26 13:03:23
240.   nofatmike
232 Unfortunately I'm a full-fledge member of the Andy LaRoche Marching and Chowder society.
2008-05-26 13:03:40
241.   Bluebleeder87
we need to induce a double play here.
2008-05-26 13:03:47
242.   Greg Brock
Walking Alfonso Soriano is a sure sign of fatigue.

And I'm always amazed at the people who speak during moments of silence.

2008-05-26 13:03:57
243.   Bluebleeder87
a DODGER double play...
2008-05-26 13:04:28
244.   Vaudeville Villain
Bob Brenly's suck is almost as epic as Joe Morgan.
2008-05-26 13:04:51
245.   scareduck
238 - oh, goof.
2008-05-26 13:05:52
246.   MMSMikey
could kent have any less range.
2008-05-26 13:06:22
247.   Eric Stephen
A moment of silence to reawaken the Cubs' silent bats?
2008-05-26 13:07:00
248.   Greg Brock
Bob, that's unbelievably hilarious.
2008-05-26 13:07:49
249.   Eric Stephen
Is the mound higher at Wrigley Field or is that a product/figment of the camera angle?
2008-05-26 13:08:05
250.   Vaudeville Villain
Ryan Theriot being favorably compared to David Eckstein.
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2008-05-26 13:08:22
251.   Bluebleeder87
is Russell Martin EVER gonna get a day off, I mean seriously...
2008-05-26 13:09:38
252.   Eric Enders
The world needs more jokes where you have to do research to get the punchline.
2008-05-26 13:09:41
253.   Icaros
Is that similar to a Quiz Kid Donnie Smith career path?
2008-05-26 13:09:55
254.   Bob Timmermann
So the student has surpassed the teacher?
2008-05-26 13:10:40
255.   Bluebleeder87
the WGN gun has Billz at 85, yet the Cubbie hitters can't catch up to it.
2008-05-26 13:11:43
256.   Eric Enders
40 is the new 30, and for Billingsley, the 6th is the new 5th.
2008-05-26 13:12:26
257.   Vishal
255 gameday has him at 90-93
2008-05-26 13:12:29
258.   Vaudeville Villain

Yeah, that's wrong.

2008-05-26 13:12:51
259.   Alex41592
And THAT was a make up call
2008-05-26 13:13:04
260.   Eric Stephen
Bob Brenly can't believe Beimel didn't come in to face Fukudome.
2008-05-26 13:13:21
261.   Greg Brock
254 Yeah, the student...That's the ticket!

Absolutely! In an alternate universe.

2008-05-26 13:13:32
262.   Bluebleeder87
just what the Doctor order...
2008-05-26 13:13:35
263.   Eric Stephen
Why bring in Beimel, when Billingsley can pull a Beimel!
2008-05-26 13:13:39
264.   scareduck
Wow, nice DP by Bills to get out of the bases-loaded jam.
2008-05-26 13:13:46
265.   MMSMikey
martin threw a SEED down to 1st right there.
2008-05-26 13:14:26
266.   Greg Brock
WGN would like to remind you that you have always loved WGN, and will continue to do so.

Seriously, that logo is terrifying.

2008-05-26 13:14:33
267.   Bob Timmermann
2008-05-26 13:14:55
268.   Bluebleeder87
Billz showing what he's made of there, I dig it!!
2008-05-26 13:15:05
269.   Eric Stephen
Chad is at what, 82-83 pitches? Does he hit here (leading off the 7th)? I say yes.

I wouldn't take out Acey Acerton just yet.

2008-05-26 13:15:24
270.   dzzrtRatt
Alone in my living room, I applauded that play.
2008-05-26 13:15:53
271.   Eric Stephen
Torre says no.
2008-05-26 13:16:23
272.   Eric Enders
267 appears to be Bob's graphical representation of his all-time favorite song, "Little Boxes."
2008-05-26 13:16:23
273.   bhsportsguy
Martin is taking tomorrow off.

No one thinks this is a bad idea taking Bills out here.

2008-05-26 13:17:06
274.   dontraiseplz
83 pitches and we take out Chad? :(

Soriano just had 4 great takes imo. Other two hits weren't hit that well. Fukudome had teh hardest hit and it was a DP. And Chad would get to face the bottom of the order...

2008-05-26 13:17:33
275.   Bob Timmermann
Change your encoding on your browser. And then translate in Babelfish and try to read it with an Edward G. Robinson accent.
2008-05-26 13:17:44
276.   Bluebleeder87
IMO, Fukudome seemed a little over matched there but maybe it's cause he's never faced Billz before.
2008-05-26 13:18:09
277.   scareduck
272 - not for those of us with the Japanese fonts installed.
2008-05-26 13:18:38
278.   bhsportsguy
274 Often debated but if he is only going to pitch one more inning, I believe the general consenus here is take him out.
2008-05-26 13:18:48
279.   Eric Stephen
As I said above, I would have let Chad hit. He can go at least one more inning. 7 games in 7 days. No need to have the bullpen pitch 3 today (or 2 if they lose, I guess).
2008-05-26 13:18:52
280.   alex 7
flip side is because it IS the bottom of the lineup, we can send our bottom reliever out there and expect to get a shutout inning.

But Tiffee? blah.

2008-05-26 13:18:54
281.   imperabo
Solid whack by JP.
2008-05-26 13:19:55
282.   Eric Stephen
It's plausible Chad could have entered the 8th with 95 or less pitches.
2008-05-26 13:20:08
283.   Vishal
275 "Somewhere, Chicago now is there your Messiah?"
2008-05-26 13:20:10
284.   silverwidow
Tiffee is a useless 4A player. If we pair him with Sweeney, that's two REALLY bad pinch hitters.
2008-05-26 13:20:56
285.   Eric Stephen
Let's make Ferguson Jenkins wait a little bit here.
2008-05-26 13:21:05
286.   Bluebleeder87
Martin needs to go deep here.
2008-05-26 13:21:36
287.   Vishal
274 i don't know, i think it was a high-stress inning, and chad had to dig deep and give a little extra to get out of it. i'm ok with pulling him after that, especially since he was leading off anyway.
2008-05-26 13:21:50
288.   CanuckDodger
Days like this have to be remembered when we hear all the complaints about Dodger starters not being able to pitch deep into games. It's the National League. Pitchers get taken out for pitch hitters in the middle innings in tight games.
2008-05-26 13:22:18
289.   nick
down one in the 7th, leadoff spot? my suspicion is that the #s would say that's an automatic ph...
2008-05-26 13:23:46
290.   Bluebleeder87
how is the Cubbie Bullpen these days?
2008-05-26 13:23:50
291.   scareduck
283 - Google Translate renders it as "Where is your savior, Chicago now?" which is a bit terser and closer to what Bob intended (I'm guessing "Where's your savior now, Chicago?").
2008-05-26 13:24:12
292.   CodyS
286 You expect a Los Angeles Dodger to hit a homerun? At Wrigley Field with the wind blowing out, and the starting pitcher 100 pitches in?
Maybe limit your impossible dreams to a Dodger getting a hit with RISP. That could happen at least once a month or so, unlike key homeruns.
2008-05-26 13:24:12
293.   Eric Stephen
Spoken like a true pitcher: "We need to get some run support here."
2008-05-26 13:24:17
294.   Greg Brock
I choose to use today to remember the Battle of Ypres.
2008-05-26 13:24:40
295.   imperabo
Frustrating game.
2008-05-26 13:24:50
296.   Gen3Blue
Fergies at least in roughly the same key as the organ.
2008-05-26 13:25:20
297.   imperabo
Man, Fergie's really let herself go.
2008-05-26 13:25:37
298.   Bluebleeder87
bad singing is always excused at Wrigley, man I can't wait to visit that ballpark.
2008-05-26 13:25:47
299.   Bob Timmermann
That's what I was aiming for.

Babelfish is often really off for Japanese-English translations.

2008-05-26 13:25:53
300.   Eric Enders
It's not often a guy reaches 117 pitches without his bullpen having thrown a single warmup pitch, but that's what's happened with Dempster.

Why do they call the Cubs singers "Guest Conductors" instead of singers? Do they tend to wave their arms around a lot?

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2008-05-26 13:26:32
301.   Eric Stephen
I especially don't want Chad coming out of the game for Park. I officially am watching this game under protest. :)
2008-05-26 13:26:33
302.   dontraiseplz
do the Dodgers lead the league in games where only 1 run is manufactured? looking at our team stats compared to league average and our offense isn't as bad it seems...
2008-05-26 13:27:10
303.   D4P
Harry Caray used to wave his arms around a lot, but that was at least partially the result of his "Bud Man" status.
2008-05-26 13:27:25
304.   Eric Stephen
They tend to encourage the crowd. Low level conducting at least.
2008-05-26 13:27:57
305.   scareduck
290 - Fifth best in the NL:

2008-05-26 13:28:03
306.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers have 9 games with just one run scored. The Yankees just played their ninth.
2008-05-26 13:28:15
307.   bhsportsguy
Tommy never wears a blue shirt at Dodger Stadium.
2008-05-26 13:29:42
308.   Eric Stephen
do the Dodgers lead the league in games where only 1 run is manufactured

Yes. The Dodgers have 9 games with 1 run exactly. (I'm assuming by "manufactured", you meant "scored")

2008-05-26 13:29:44
309.   scareduck
300 - because they cannot, in general, actually sing.
2008-05-26 13:30:51
310.   Greg Brock
The Fergie Jenkins Foundation should work to get Bert Blyleven in the Hall of Fame.
2008-05-26 13:31:25
311.   Linkmeister
I am really annoyed that ESPN is not showing either the Diamondbacks-Braves or the Cubs-Dodgers game. I could get the D-Backs-Braves on the radio on my way to the vet (again), but I get home and find the Mike and Mike show on the tube.


2008-05-26 13:32:26
312.   D4P
Paul DePodesta on "creating" (or manufacturing) runs:

The bottom line is that the best way to create runs is to get on base and hit for power

2008-05-26 13:35:30
313.   Bluebleeder87
Why didn't Torre bring in Beimel?
2008-05-26 13:36:06
314.   JoeyP
Soriano vs Park in Wrigley with the wind blowing out is scary.
2008-05-26 13:36:14
315.   Eric Stephen
Announcers are just lazy. Either that, or perception becomes reality, regardless of fact. Brenly: "Kemp is known to make mental mistakes out there."
2008-05-26 13:37:09
316.   Bluebleeder87
2 strikes to Soriano with no balls I'd throw an outside pitch see if he chases.
2008-05-26 13:37:23
317.   Bluebleeder87
curve or what have you...
2008-05-26 13:37:25
318.   Eric Enders
Brenly pulls out the Kemp "mental mistakes" line again. He's like one of those pull-string dolls with that phrase.
2008-05-26 13:37:32
319.   Greg Brock
On a day of remembrance, the important thing to keep in mind is that Matt Kemp makes mental mistakes out there.
2008-05-26 13:37:38
320.   Icaros
I thought you guys were talking about that Black-Eyed Peas singer.
2008-05-26 13:39:19
321.   kecster
seriously, I've never heard a commentator hating on a player like he is on kemp right now.
2008-05-26 13:39:22
322.   Bluebleeder87
Park is NOT hitting his spots, come on Park you can do it!
2008-05-26 13:40:21
323.   Eric Stephen
Good thing we took out Billingsley.
2008-05-26 13:40:30
324.   JoeyP
Good pitching by Park to pitch around Soriano. He can get TheRiot.
2008-05-26 13:40:42
325.   Bluebleeder87
Torre, the pitcher is TELLING you he can't do it, PULL HIM OUT, GOSH DARN IT!!
2008-05-26 13:40:44
326.   Greg Brock
Our top stories...Deadly tornadoes hit the Midwest, the Mars probe sends home the first images, and Matt Kemp makes mental mistakes out there.
2008-05-26 13:41:04
327.   Andrew Shimmin
Never a doubt in my mind.
2008-05-26 13:41:19
328.   Bluebleeder87
I really feel Torre was playing with fire in this inning & got lucky here, seriously...
2008-05-26 13:41:31
329.   JoeyP
1st pitch easy grounder.
2008-05-26 13:41:40
330.   Eric Enders
Giving up a hit to Jim Edmonds is a Grabowski Principle, right? Park probably should have been taken out then.
2008-05-26 13:42:07
331.   Vishal
323 hey, i stand by my support of taking billingsley out. i never said that i would put in tiffee to pinch-hit for him :P
2008-05-26 13:42:11
332.   68elcamino427
NIce job by Park, he didn't cave to Soriano.
2008-05-26 13:42:34
333.   Vishal
(or put in chan ho)
2008-05-26 13:43:01
334.   Andrew Shimmin
330- You could say that. You could also say that he should never have been brought in. Of course, you could also say that he never belonged on the roster.

If you go further back than that, it becomes problematic. I mean, fine to say he should never have been born, but that's true of everyone.

2008-05-26 13:43:08
335.   Icaros

I wonder if Ardoin had to take over Bennett's hotfoot duties.

2008-05-26 13:43:15
336.   bhsportsguy
Great Carls Jr. commercial mysteries, why is this girl hanging out with this guy?
2008-05-26 13:44:13
337.   Bob Hendley
327 - and what a mind it is. Shimmin once willed a player onto the DL.
2008-05-26 13:44:13
338.   Andrew Shimmin
Kent is partying like it's 1999.
2008-05-26 13:44:37
339.   bhsportsguy
Hu are you, coming in for Kent.
2008-05-26 13:44:42
340.   Bob Timmermann
I had one of those sandwiches and:
1) I did not cry
2) no hot-looking woman came by to yell at me
2008-05-26 13:44:42
341.   Icaros

I'm laughing again. Thanks.

2008-05-26 13:44:43
342.   Eric Stephen
She clearly hates her father.
2008-05-26 13:44:44
343.   LAT
Coverage iniatiated on JDSU!
2008-05-26 13:45:42
344.   Andrew Shimmin
Every time Jon slaps him around a little, Kent has a, "So's your mother," game.
2008-05-26 13:45:55
345.   Bluebleeder87
Hu could have tagged there & made it to 2nd base, come on Hu, think out there!!
2008-05-26 13:46:32
346.   JoeyP
Please hit a homer Kemp.
2008-05-26 13:46:34
347.   regfairfield
I wonder how ducking out to go grab some Carls Jr in the middle of a fight went over with the hot girl.
2008-05-26 13:47:34
348.   berkowit28
Sweeney's BA was .103 before that PA. Is it below .100 now?
2008-05-26 13:47:46
349.   Eric Stephen
I assumed they had the fight as they were both going to Carl's.
2008-05-26 13:47:51
350.   nick
c'mon Bison, silence the haters!
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2008-05-26 13:47:55
351.   Bluebleeder87
is Kemp's bat a hybrid of some kind? I've never seen that particular color
2008-05-26 13:48:13
352.   LAT
336 Not only that, it looks like its beach front property in Malibu. Guys who own that view may have that girl but they don't eat at Carls.
2008-05-26 13:48:14
353.   Greg Brock
It's times like these I wish Dodger Thoughts allowed even the tamest of four letter words. Not even really bad stuff.
2008-05-26 13:48:25
354.   Eric Stephen
Right on the nose. 4 for 40
2008-05-26 13:49:06
355.   Bluebleeder87
2008-05-26 13:49:13
356.   Eric Stephen
The orphan tears gives it its rich color.
2008-05-26 13:49:30
357.   CanuckDodger
Complaints about Brenly's unwarranted jibes at Kemp become comical on DT when surrounded by unwarranted jibes at Park. Park has kept runs off the board this year. That's the bottom line of his job.
2008-05-26 13:49:30
358.   Johnson
Matt Kemp with the mental mistake of the 2B off the wall.
2008-05-26 13:49:35
359.   bhsportsguy
352 Or it was a balcony in Fullerton.
2008-05-26 13:49:44
360.   MMSMikey
of course that ball goes right into fukudomes glove.
2008-05-26 13:49:44
361.   Greg Brock
Up yours, Brenly.
2008-05-26 13:49:45
362.   LAT
Unfortuantly, Fukadome played that perfectly
2008-05-26 13:49:48
363.   68elcamino427
Robot Made of Nails.
2008-05-26 13:50:17
364.   scareduck
Nice double by Kemp, who can't hit breaking stuff.
2008-05-26 13:50:21
365.   kecster
we needed a homerun! yet another mental mistake by kemp...
2008-05-26 13:50:29
366.   Eric Enders
That was an outstanding mental mistake right there.
2008-05-26 13:50:35
367.   confucius
What is Brenly saying now?
2008-05-26 13:50:40
368.   Bluebleeder87
Excuse my hyperbole but some of the pitches this blue is calling, I simply don't agree with.
2008-05-26 13:50:41
369.   Bob Timmermann
I'm inclined to go with bhsportsguy's opinion there. The ocean sounds were added later.
2008-05-26 13:50:46
370.   D4P
Kemp has warning track power.
2008-05-26 13:50:58
371.   nick
Kemp should've hit it higher--rookie play, putting that low arc on the ball..
2008-05-26 13:51:06
372.   Bob Timmermann
Pee Wee time at second base next inning!
2008-05-26 13:51:42
373.   scareduck
352 - their coke dealers take them to lunch at Gladstone's or something.
2008-05-26 13:51:54
374.   MMSMikey
james, just rip one into the gap.
2008-05-26 13:52:01
375.   Andrew Shimmin
Repent or Burn and Chan Ho Park,
Sitting in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G. . .
2008-05-26 13:52:02
376.   oshea2002
Come on James.....
2008-05-26 13:52:08
377.   dzzrtRatt
352 Besides, unless you live next door to a Carls' Jr., who brings a Carl's Jr. sandwich home?

I doubt there are many Malibu beach front homes next door to a Carl's Jr.

2008-05-26 13:52:29
378.   scareduck
Loney with foul ball power!
2008-05-26 13:52:37
379.   Icaros
2008-05-26 13:52:43
380.   Bluebleeder87
woah, was that scorched by Loney, woah!
2008-05-26 13:52:58
381.   Eric Stephen
C'mon Canuck, Park has certainly exceeded expectations, but he's been extremely lucky. His FIP is 5.21, more than double his actual ERA of 2.48. I'm happy he's doing well, but I don't expect it to continue.
2008-05-26 13:53:17
382.   Gen3Blue
I think it would've made sense to send Hu with the trouble we have had scoring runs. It looked to me like it would have taken a perfect play to get him.
2008-05-26 13:53:27
383.   Eric Enders
372 I'm thinking Torre probably trusts Loney as a second baseman more than Young.
2008-05-26 13:53:48
384.   LAT
359. Balconies in Fullerton don't get that girl.
2008-05-26 13:54:18
385.   Bluebleeder87

you know how long I've been trying to make that joke work Andrew!!! that was priceless LOL!

2008-05-26 13:54:29
386.   Andrew Shimmin
If it's a balcony in Fullerton, why is she wearing a bathing suit?
2008-05-26 13:54:32
387.   Gen3Blue
If there's a next batter I'd like Young.
2008-05-26 13:54:50
388.   bhsportsguy
384 Guys who eat at CJ's don't get that girl
2008-05-26 13:55:00
389.   dzzrtRatt
384 Girls like that also don't have parents. They have entourages.
2008-05-26 13:55:10
390.   Bluebleeder87
oopsy, that should be 375 .
2008-05-26 13:55:30
391.   scareduck
Now, Loney doesn't get that girl.
2008-05-26 13:55:30
392.   Bob Timmermann
With Maza not getting a hit today, Kemp's record for consecutive games with a hit to start a Dodgers career lives on.
2008-05-26 13:55:35
393.   dzzrtRatt
Oh, James.

Wait, I sound like a Bond girl.

2008-05-26 13:55:38
394.   Gen3Blue
No they are not falling our way!
2008-05-26 13:55:47
395.   oshea2002
Two huge K's with runners at 3rd and 1 out today. Not our day me thinks.
2008-05-26 13:56:11
396.   Eric Enders
Hu really should have been sent home.
2008-05-26 13:56:22
397.   Greg Brock
You guys are underestimating the power of balconies in Fullerton.
2008-05-26 13:56:25
398.   Bob Hendley
Time for Pee Wee Power.
2008-05-26 13:56:53
399.   regfairfield
388 But I eat at Carls Jr....
2008-05-26 13:57:46
400.   bhsportsguy
399 I stand corrected.
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2008-05-26 13:58:21
401.   Eric Stephen
2008-05-26 13:58:26
402.   Bluebleeder87
what a joke, oh well...
2008-05-26 13:58:32
403.   scareduck
It pleases me to know that Dodger Thoughts is still the number one hit for "win eating plant" on Google.
2008-05-26 13:58:37
404.   Vishal
2008-05-26 13:58:38
405.   MMSMikey
great job guys, great job.
2008-05-26 13:58:50
406.   Travis08
377 There are no Carl's Jr. locations within 7 miles of Malibu, at least according to the Carl's Jr. website.
2008-05-26 13:58:52
407.   Greg Brock
I'd like to take this moment in remembrance of all the people we've left on base today.


Thank you.

2008-05-26 13:58:53
408.   Bob Timmermann
There are no Carl's Jr locations in Malibu.
2008-05-26 13:59:16
409.   imperabo
This is the most annoying game of the year.
2008-05-26 13:59:30
410.   JoeyP
That inning sucked once Hu didnt score on Kemp's double.

It should be 2-2.

Let Bowa assume some more blame.

2008-05-26 13:59:32
411.   kecster
damn, where's jones to pnch hit when we need him...
2008-05-26 13:59:39
412.   oshea2002
The DeWitt and Loney at bats were the killers.
2008-05-26 13:59:49
413.   dontraiseplz
I went out for a quick lunch, I came back to see Loney's at-bat and from then on, I am now sad. this game sucks.
2008-05-26 14:00:35
414.   scareduck
398 - apparently of the warning track variety.
2008-05-26 14:00:51
415.   alex 7
a squeeze in one of our two 3rd base 1 out situations would have been nice during this cold spell. Can't imagine it not working at least 35% of the time. With our pen and all, seems like a good gamble just to stretch the game out.
2008-05-26 14:00:59
416.   Eric Stephen
Thank you WGN for possibly the worst song in history.
2008-05-26 14:01:03
417.   Lexinthedena
What is it about Kemp that bothers old school analysts?

This has been a tough game. Good at bat by Pee Wee.

2008-05-26 14:01:08
418.   bhsportsguy
The good news is that coming up 4th in the next inning will be Hu. Following that will be the pitcher's spot with only Danny Ardouin left as a pinch hitter.
2008-05-26 14:01:22
419.   oshea2002
Sweeney is this year's Saenz, no matter how many times he doesn't perform he keeps getting run out there.
2008-05-26 14:01:44
420.   Greg Brock
417 His blackness.
2008-05-26 14:02:01
421.   alex 7
oh well, top of the lineup next inning.
2008-05-26 14:02:11
422.   Bluebleeder87
in ALL FAIRNESS to the team they did fly all night & didn't get to bed until 1ish from what I understand...
2008-05-26 14:02:28
423.   bhsportsguy
It has now come to people wanting the windmill back coaching 3B.
2008-05-26 14:02:46
424.   bablue
This is the most frustrating stretch of baseball I've ever seen. So much bad luck. Of course Fukudome fields it perfectly and Loney's smash goes foul. I just knew from that point on we weren't going to score. And earlier we blew a bases loaded one out, and Martin's LD with Pierre on second gets caught. And thats exactly how the last few weeks have been. Absolutely no luck. It won't last of course, there's no reason we can't get a hit with RISP. But it is soooo infuriating.
2008-05-26 14:03:00
425.   Bluebleeder87
I don't like it when Sweeney hits a ball & then just stands there, you guys notice that?
2008-05-26 14:03:06
426.   scareduck
409 - Greetings, Mr. van Winkle. I have several messages for you.
2008-05-26 14:03:08
427.   nick
is it because the Cubbies are so loveable that their fans seem so clueless?
2008-05-26 14:03:59
428.   LAT
Did the Tomato retire?

I bet he eats CJ.

2008-05-26 14:04:03
429.   D4P
I don't like it when Sweeney hits a ball & then just stands there, you guys notice that?

He probably thought there were already 3 outs.

2008-05-26 14:04:24
430.   Eric Enders
Will the Dodgers lose this game on a mental mistake by the man whose job it is to coach them out of making mental mistakes?
2008-05-26 14:04:26
431.   MMSMikey
just hope for a kerry wood emplosion. i got a feeling we are going to be having games like this all year. ball game.
2008-05-26 14:04:40
432.   oshea2002
That was fitting
2008-05-26 14:04:59
433.   Lexinthedena
420 "Cuz I'm black y'all cuz I'm black! cuz I'm blacka than black cuz I'm black y'all!"

Scott Proctor is the Sweeney/Saenz of pitchers. Kuo continues to sit.

2008-05-26 14:05:02
434.   Bluebleeder87

especially cause the D-Backs have been playing bad for about a week now, sigh. [puts face in forehead & shakes it east to west]

2008-05-26 14:05:11
435.   scareduck
Well, that was no fun. Grooved fastball.

On the other hand, the Dodgers will get to see Kerry Wood, so this could go to extras.

2008-05-26 14:05:16
436.   Eric Stephen
2008-05-26 14:07:13
437.   dontraiseplz
quick: who won the Betemit/Proctor trade?
2008-05-26 14:07:14
438.   CodyS
Wow, the Cubs are able to score multiple times in the same game. I wonder what that feels like.
2008-05-26 14:07:22
439.   berkowit28
420 You might be right. Perhaps that combined with his insouciance. Put him down.
2008-05-26 14:07:53
440.   68elcamino427

Willie Davis 6' 2" 180 lbs.

Matt Kemp 6' 2" 230 lbs.

Similar speed, The Bison has the power that Three Dog always wished that he had.

2008-05-26 14:07:54
441.   dzzrtRatt
409 Actually, I'd take Saturday's game for "most frustrating."

As much unclutchy hitting we've seen today, we've seen some spectacularly Houdini-like pitching.

Til Procter v. Ramirez anyway.

I'm thrilled to see Billingsley pitch so well. Seriously. And that last DP he threw, caught and threw was a memorable play.

2008-05-26 14:08:41
442.   Lexinthedena
430 I haven't seen the whole game. What are you talking about?
2008-05-26 14:08:50
443.   Greg Brock
I subscribe to the dzzrtRatt philosophy that we aren't going to win this year, so let's look at the good stuff.

Chad Billingsley pitched well and Matt Kemp wiped the drool off his sleeve and didn't run into the foul pole. That's all I care about.

2008-05-26 14:08:53
444.   CanuckDodger
381 -- I understand saber types hating the role of luck in baseball. It can't be quantified or predicted, and they are all about quantifying and predicting. But it exists. It has to be appreciated for its power. LaRoche is stewing in Vegas because he has been UNLUCKY enough to get hurt as often as O.J. Simpson in a Naked Gun movie. But fortune is smiling on Park right now, so he's in the majors. It really is better to be lucky than good.
2008-05-26 14:09:04
445.   dontraiseplz
Sweeny and Saenz makes me wonder if we should have a special Dodger award for that black hole in the lineup who demoralizes the fanbase with his inexplicable playing time and futility in pinch hitting situations.

2008: Sweeney
2007: Saenz
2006: Lugo
2005: take your pick...

2008-05-26 14:09:09
446.   MMSMikey
that bottom line is the dodgers have no power, they dont have that it factor in the middle of the lineup, a guy who puts fear into the other team like a derek lee or a pujols, they just dont have that guy, they have a bunch of singles hitters with a little gap power, and they have to string a bunch of hits together to get runs, and thats not going to happen very often.
2008-05-26 14:09:50
447.   kngoworld
Proctor K's the side.
2008-05-26 14:11:12
448.   dzzrtRatt
431 Getting Furcal back will change things a lot.


...will not often leave so many RISP.

2008-05-26 14:11:19
449.   Eric Enders
444 The Dodgers appear to have already beaten you to the Andy LaRoche = O.J. Simpson analogy.

430 Hu appeared like could have scored on Kemp's double, but was held up and died on third. Of course, Proctor soon rendered that irrelevant.

2008-05-26 14:11:50
450.   Bluebleeder87
Take one for the team Pierre, it wont hurt!
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2008-05-26 14:12:06
451.   D4P
Juan Pierre has warning track power...?
2008-05-26 14:12:07
452.   oshea2002
classic pierre ab.
2008-05-26 14:12:32
453.   Eric Stephen
I bet you Pierre drops no lower than #2 in the batting order when Furcal comes back.
2008-05-26 14:13:07
454.   Greg Brock
Brenly may be a total moron, but at least he isn't a homer announcer.


2008-05-26 14:13:44
455.   alex 7
dang, did Pierre really try to get out of the way of a pitch that could have hit him, while his team is down 2?
2008-05-26 14:14:07
456.   imperabo
Pierre batting 9th would make far too much sense to actually happen.
2008-05-26 14:14:09
457.   alex 7
just following on gameday so curious.
2008-05-26 14:14:27
458.   Lexinthedena
And now Brenly will cry about the umps.
2008-05-26 14:14:34
459.   JoeyP
Furcal wont add enough home run power to keep the team from having games like today.

Dodgers just are so dependent on long sequence innings of hits/bbs to score runs. And some of that is just luck.

Some days, the 2 out hits will drop. Other days they wont.

2008-05-26 14:14:35
460.   nick
As a Yanks fan I can say that K'ing the side while giving up a bomb is the classic Proctor inning....
2008-05-26 14:14:47
461.   MMSMikey
before the season it was said the dodgers will have a bunch of guys with 20 homeruns, kent, kemp, martin, ethier, jones, loney

to date...

Loney leading the pack with 5

2008-05-26 14:15:06
462.   Bluebleeder87

exactly my thought, I like my team as a whole though, I just can't stand his approach at the plate BUT that's his game though, shame on Ned.

2008-05-26 14:15:28
463.   bablue
Farthest hit bsll for Pierre this year?


True dat. But they should have a bunch of guys with 15-20 HR power. If Kent and Druw didn't suck, Kemp and Loney had more power, Raffy came back, and we called up Laroche then we wold be fine there. Its kinda like the perfect storm of all those things going wrong though.

2008-05-26 14:15:52
464.   Eric Enders
If I'm Piniella I give serious consideration to a Martin IBB here.
2008-05-26 14:16:06
465.   dzzrtRatt
453 Well, if he keeps hitting like he has been lately, I'm okay with that.

But when his coach becomes a pumpkin, I trust Torre will drop him back where he belongs. Or if Jones comes back and can mash with a fixed knee, Pierre can take a spot on the bench.

2008-05-26 14:16:52
466.   Bluebleeder87
we gotta remember guys, this is a young team once a couple of guys get really comfortable & KNOW what they are capable of doing we'll be o.k.
2008-05-26 14:17:17
467.   Eric Enders
OK, never mind.
2008-05-26 14:18:10
468.   Lexinthedena
tough team to watch right now.
2008-05-26 14:18:55
469.   Bluebleeder87
mama said they'll be days like this... it's cool man, I still believe.
2008-05-26 14:18:58
470.   bablue
Well, we shoulda won. Lets just win the next two.

And i absolutely hate hearing the dumb Cubs announcers celebrating and this song they're playing is just embarassing.

2008-05-26 14:19:11
471.   dzzrtRatt
The Cubs are the best team in the NL. D-Backs are pretty good, but the Cubs will go farther in the playoffs. Barring freakish circumstances, this is their year, finally.

Good timing, too, since Sam Zell wants to sell them.

2008-05-26 14:20:09
472.   MMSMikey
"well, we shoulda won", is gonna be a common quote this year.
2008-05-26 14:20:12
473.   Bob Timmermann
Right now, the Marlins have the best record in the NL.
2008-05-26 14:20:22
474.   Eric Enders
As painful as the game was, listening to this ridiculous "Go Cubs Go" song is worse.
2008-05-26 14:21:00
475.   bhsportsguy
Furcal was getting on base nearly half the time and was slugging over .600 when he went out, he got replaced by a guy at the top of the lineup with an OPS 40% lower and at SS by a player whos OPS is less than Furcal's OBP.

Now, Raffy wasn't going to keep that up all year but it was a pretty big hit on the lineup.

2008-05-26 14:23:46
476.   dzzrtRatt
466 I tend to agree. I think Kemp is going to be our masher, but it's going to take him till after the All-Star break to get it together. His progress just since the beginning of the year is nice to see. He's not giving away so many at bats. Maybe he's not swinging away like he was, but I think that's part of his learning process.

Billingsley and Kershaw as two young co-aces.

Lowe maybe motivated to have a great second half.

Penny, we'll see.

Kuroda, seemingly more consistent now.

Schmidt perhaps back.

Furcal returns.

Jones who knows.

Kent seems to be breaking out of his slump.

A role for LaRoche as a masher off the bench, pushing both Dewitt and Loney.

I think I'm going to enjoy this season more than last, even if we aren't a playoff team yet.

2008-05-26 14:24:33
477.   bhsportsguy
And now we are back to familiar territory, pitching good, can't hit with RISP.
2008-05-26 14:25:49
478.   CanuckDodger
When your #5 hitter enters the game batting .108, you deserve to lose, and the team's fans have no right to gripe about the absence of power. Teams win without power all the time. But they have a line-up of hitters with no weak links when it comes to just hitting period. We had a line-up today with five guys I had no confidence in to get a single. FIVE!
2008-05-26 14:27:53
479.   bhsportsguy
I'm watching "The Best Years of Our Lives" on TCM right now.

Its melodrama at its height but there are a lot of nice moments in it.

2008-05-26 14:28:24
480.   LAT
471. Barring freakish circumstances, this is their year, finally.

freakish circumstances. This is the Cubs. They own the all time record for freakish circumstances.

2008-05-26 14:29:02
481.   bhsportsguy
479 And of course, Miss Teresa Wright is in it.
2008-05-26 14:30:16
482.   JoeyP
478--Thats another argument for having LaRoche on the big club---> bc if you sit Loney you can at least put LaRoche in at 1b.

This two week stretch is important. Dodgers face the Cubs (7 more times), Mets (4 games), and Rockies (3 games).

Dbax get the Giants (3 games), Nationals (3 games), Brewers (3 games), and Pirates (4 games).

2008-05-26 14:30:41
483.   alex 7
what teams with no power win all the time? Off the top of my head I'm just seeing the Cubs, Marlins, Angels, DBacks, and White Sox as solid teams that win and have power.
2008-05-26 14:32:54
484.   MMSMikey

"and the team's fans have no right to gripe about the absence of power", what are you kidding me?

2008-05-26 14:33:39
485.   scareduck
Two questions for the audience:

1) Why was Hu held at third in the eighth?
2) Why did Bills not once attempt a suicide squeeze in the fifth? Kemp has good speed... is Bills a lousy bunter?

2008-05-26 14:34:02
486.   berkowit28
Sweeney now is .100/.196/.125 . Jeez.
2008-05-26 14:38:26
487.   Icaros
But it's an experienced .100/.196/.125. You guys are looking at it all wrong.
2008-05-26 14:38:41
488.   Greg Brock
Willie Randolph wasn't fired. That's nice for him.
2008-05-26 14:39:17
489.   CanuckDodger
482 -- But contrary to what you would like, Loney is only going to sit once in a blue mood. Same with DeWitt. I still say LaRoche is better off playing everyday in Vegas than riding the bench most days in the majors.

As for what I would have done today, with Loney sitting (and he really did need the day off) I would have put Ethier at 1B and Young in RF. Wasn't Torre having Ethier taking ground balls at 1B earlier in the season just so Ethier could sub for Loney occasionally?

But clearly Young is never, ever going to start a game in the outfield if Torre has anything to say about it. Torre's love affair with Sweeney is approaching a firing offense, as far as I'm concerned.

2008-05-26 14:40:28
490.   regfairfield
478 I generally agree, but I was surprised to learn that since 2004 no NL team has won 89 games and got out homered.

Of course, with numbers like that, I assume that several teams have won 88 games and got out homered.

2008-05-26 14:40:56
491.   Eric Enders
489 What does LaRoche still have to learn/prove about hitting that can be learned/proved in AAA?
2008-05-26 14:43:53
492.   bhsportsguy
489 Sweeney has started 2 games in about 50, what kind of love affair is that.
2008-05-26 14:44:28
493.   CanuckDodger
484 -- No, I'm not kidding you. Teams without much HR power can win and do. The Dodgers have done it before, often. Teams with .108 hitters batting #5, following clean-up hitters batting .230 something, no.
2008-05-26 14:45:31
494.   JoeyP
489--I think LaRoche could get enough Abs to stay sharp even if all he did was start against Lefties. And he could start either for Loney or LaRoche againts lefties. Not to mention, he could play LF occasionally whenever Pierre or Kemp need a day off.

At some point, with a stacked farm system, the team is going to have some good players that are probably good enough to be playing everyday, on the bench.

2008-05-26 14:46:14
495.   JoeyP
492--1st pinch hitter off the bench.
2008-05-26 14:46:40
496.   LAT
486. I want him to keep playing to see how low can he go. Baseball limbo.
2008-05-26 14:46:52
497.   bhsportsguy
479 Hoagy Carmichel in a rare dramatic role. And it is hard to believe that Harold Russell had never acted before but he is able to do a fine job in this film.
2008-05-26 14:47:12
498.   berkowit28
491 It's not the learning. It's playing regularly, every day. That keeps him ready for when he's needed. Playing 2 or 3 innings twice week from the bench will get him out of practice. Or something like that.
2008-05-26 14:47:57
499.   regfairfield
493 Would you agree that a team without power can't afford to carry a Sweeney in the lineup?
2008-05-26 14:48:51
500.   Eric Enders
At this point the real question with Sweeney is whether he'll be DFAed or allowed the more graceful phantom DL exit.
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2008-05-26 14:49:36
501.   MMSMikey

they did it in the early 60's, this day and age u need to have a masher in your lineup, look what happened in 2003, we had the best pitching in baseball, could'nt score runs, even the teams that supposedly dont have power all have some boppers, the marlins got uggla, the whitesox got konerko and dyle, and thome, the angels got vlad. we got kent, who if you ask me has lost his bat speed and should probably call it quits. you need at least that one bat in your lineup that can change the game with one swing, we dont got it.

2008-05-26 14:49:49
502.   regfairfield
I think that we really need to get a bat on the bench besides Delwyn right now. LaRoche is the best bet for that since he really doesn't have anything left to prove in AAA.
2008-05-26 14:50:08
503.   scareduck
487 - LOL!
2008-05-26 14:50:30
504.   bhsportsguy
499 If this team can't play 6-8 games a year with Sweeney in the lineup, they are not a very good team.
2008-05-26 14:51:33
505.   regfairfield
The 2006 Dodgers didn't have any power and scored 820 runs.
2008-05-26 14:52:06
506.   bhsportsguy
502 You just want him to get enough at bats to get him out of the prospect status so you can adopt a new pet.
2008-05-26 14:52:47
507.   D4P
Sweeney's being given enough opportunities that he'll inevitably come through at least once "in the clutch", thus inspiring Management to keep him around.

On some level, the whole thing is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

2008-05-26 14:53:37
508.   regfairfield
506 Maybe life will be better for Andrew Lambo.

I just noticed my last two prospects are named Andrew, to some extent.

2008-05-26 14:54:16
509.   Eric Enders
504 "If this team can't play 6-8 games a year with ______ in the lineup, they are not a very good team."

You can say the same thing about any terrible player. Which doesn't mean you should go around looking for terrible players to test the hypothesis.

If you have choice between "terrible" and "not terrible," as the Dodgers do, why would you ever choose terrible? What possible benefit comes from it?

2008-05-26 14:59:48
510.   Icaros
If you have choice between "terrible" and "not terrible," as the Dodgers do, why would you ever choose terrible? What possible benefit comes from it?

The warm embrace of lowered expectation.

2008-05-26 15:00:36
511.   CanuckDodger
491 -- It isn't about learning anything more, Eric. It is just about getting regular repititions. Everyday players get stale on the bench, if they sit too much. I think that is why Hu looks so hopeless at the plate, after sitting on the bench for a month, compared to how he looked when he got his cup of coffee at the end of last season after a productive season in the minors.

I also worry about the mentality in the Dodgers' organization that says a guy on the bench belongs on the bench. Newtonian physics and things at rest staying at rest, and all that. I don't feel pessimistic about LaRoche's future in this organization as long as the Dodgers seem to care enough about him to want him playing everyday. Hu's future with us I AM worrying about, even though he is in the majors. I fear he is getting pegged as a utility infielder, and am almost desperate to see him demoted to Vegas.

2008-05-26 15:01:10
512.   D4P
Homer after eating 1978 Pizza Hut pepperoni slice:


2008-05-26 15:03:44
513.   Greg Brock
I'll bet this new and improved WGN doesn't even show Rockford Files reruns anymore.
2008-05-26 15:06:16
514.   Icaros

So you watch only the channel the Dodgers appear on for the entire day? That's a dedicated fan.

2008-05-26 15:08:55
515.   Greg Brock
514 The logo told me to. And I do what the logo says.

So will you, if you know what's good for you.

2008-05-26 15:09:04
516.   CanuckDodger
499 -- That question almost makes it sound like you think I want Sweeney around. I would have DFA'd his useless hide long ago. Does any other team in baseball have a guy on their 25-man roster hitting as bad as .100/.196/.125?
2008-05-26 15:23:46
517.   Andrew Shimmin
Elijah Dukes is hitting .119/.240/.167 over 42 ABs.
2008-05-26 15:26:59
518.   regfairfield
516 I wasn't implying that at all. I was just asking if you think you can have holes in the lineup and no power.
2008-05-26 15:29:38
519.   CanuckDodger
517 -- Pshaw. Better batting average. Better OBA. Better SLG. That was the biggest black hole of suck you could find? Sweeney LAUGHS at that degree of suck.
2008-05-26 15:34:03
520.   Andrew Shimmin
With 40 ABs as the baseline, yes. Over 25 PAs, Corky Miller's doing .087/.160/.087
2008-05-26 15:35:44
521.   Andrew Shimmin
Andy Marte is .115/.179/.115 over 30 PAs.
2008-05-26 15:36:04
522.   CanuckDodger
518 -- If you have no HR power, I think it is really hard to have a total offensive hole in the line-up and still win, or expect to win. Not unless the pitching is fantastic. One guy batting eighth? Maybe it can be tolerated for a while. More than one hole? No.
2008-05-26 15:42:20
523.   Doctor

You are both right, this is not a very good team.

2008-05-26 16:09:34
524.   D4P
The teams with the best records in the NL and AL are...wait for it...

Florida and Tampa Bay.

When you think about it, it's not so surprising that teams who routinely accept a bunch of good prospects in return for overrated/overpriced veterans would eventually experience success.

2008-05-26 16:18:34
525.   Ken Noe
Watching Sweeney approach .100 today--quite a feat for the five hole--I kept wondering why LaRoche is learning to play first base in Vegas. Is it to replace Sweeney sooner or later? To make our Andy more tradable? Or should Loney start to worry? If the first, we shouldn't have many more lineups like today's. Otherwise, it's going to get even bumpier around here.
2008-05-26 16:25:28
526.   D4P
I'd be surprised if anyone really thinks Andy needs to be "more tradable". Ned would have no problem finding a willing trade partner, and probably wouldn't expect much in return for a player he's (ostensibly?) not very high on.
2008-05-26 16:27:51
527.   skybluestoday

It's pretty darned moving. Teresa Wright is a darling, of course (though I think her most achingly poignant role is as the younger Charlie in Shadow of a Doubt).

The scene where Dana Andrews is roaming the bomber graveyard and gets into the plane remains to me one of the most indelible images of 1940s Hollywood.

2008-05-26 16:51:02
528.   Gen3Blue
This is one of the few days I am confident enough to think I could have managed the game better than Joe. And this even though I couldn't remember the back-up catchers name. And I have that now.
2008-05-26 17:43:23
529.   natepurcell
Canuck, if Hosmer drops top 15 and would be willing to sign for 4 million, would you do it?

Even though he is a 1b now, Ive read from Callis that he is Athletic enough to play RF where his arm would play tremendously.

2008-05-26 17:52:21
530.   natepurcell

thats pretty cool. Analysis of Kershaws start using pitchfx stats.

2008-05-26 18:39:07
531.   Eric Enders
Hey Jon, get a load of this. From 2005:

Kershaw is still debating which college to play for because many, including Baylor, UT, Arkansas and A&M, have recruited him, but is strongly leaning towards Stanford (which has a nationally ranked baseball team), who gave him a great scholarship offer. The 2006 professional draft will take place in June.

''I'm not sure when I'm going pro,'' Kershaw said. ''But whatever happens, happens.''

2008-05-26 18:55:13
532.   Marty
RIP Sydney Pollack
2008-05-26 18:57:25
533.   PDH5204
505 518 The one problem is that the 08 team has the lower OBP guys scattered throughout the lineup, as compared with the 06 team. The other problem is that the 08 team has even less "power" than the 06 team. For comparison purposes, 33 HR and 77 2B in 49 games in 08 versus 153 HR and 307 2B in 162 games in 06. If things continue, well, project the 49 game results over 162, and so at this rate, the 06 team will out-HR the 08 crew by a significant margin [153 to 109.1] and so too with respect to 2B [307 to 254.57]. The respective lines are otherwise: 08-.270/.341/.391 versus 06-.276/.348/.432. So the SLG is way down this year as compared with 06. In other words, there's no power, and then there's no power.

I mentioned the two problems since with the SLG as deficient as it is, well, we can't have outs scattered throughtout the lineup. Kent hitting the way he is in the 4-hole is by far the worst circumstance. Toss in an Andruw Jones hitting 7th and a Hu hitting 8th, and with and after Kent's PA we don't have the greatest shot at scoring and it showed.

2008-05-26 19:07:59
534.   Bob Timmermann
The Phillies have 20 runs tonight against the Rockies.
2008-05-26 19:30:49
535.   herchyzer
448 . And what if LaRoche were in left field instead of Pierre?


...and then what if we gave Kent his gold watch (a little early) and put Hu at second (for defense):


How's that lineup. Huh? Huh?

2008-05-26 19:50:38
536.   CanuckDodger
529 -- If I had control of the Dodgers' purse strings -- which means if I were Frank McCourt rather than Logan White -- I would pay $4 million for Hosmer. No major league contract though.

But in real life, since I know the Dodgers won't meet Boras's price, if Hosmer is still on the board after 14 picks, no way do I want the Dodgers picking Hosmer. It would just end with him going to college.

By the way, are you going to be back from your vacation before draft day?

2008-05-26 19:54:26
537.   D4P
The Phillies have 20 runs tonight against the Rockies

With Jamie Moyer, the crafty lefthander, getting the win.

2008-05-26 20:08:15
538.   Gen3Blue
I know this isn't the best forum, but I have been watching this history channel special in which the "Cro-Magnon" man seems to suspect the Neanderthals of resorting to cannabalism under stress. This is pretty funny when homo sapiens is known to resort to cannibalism with great joy under a wide variety of situations.
2008-05-26 20:10:04
539.   Bako Joe
I hate to change the subject, but I just returned from a trip to Yankee Stadium, as part of a "one stadium a year" trip series I began three years ago. Despite their reputation, Yankee fans struck me as quite knowledgeable and generally well-behaved (although I had pretty decent seats, which could account for the good behavior).

The same could be said for Cubs fans at Wrigley and Cardinal fans at Busch. The minor exception was when Andre Ethier hammered Ryan Dempster, as did the Cubs fans, last year with a three-run homer in the eighth (the highlight was shown in today's game) to overtake the Cubbies.

As a lifelong Dodger fan, it seems that the fan behavior is becoming increasingly worse. It also seems that security does not intervene until things have gotten entirely out of hand. At a Sunday game against the Astros I watched security laugh at a very drunk patron who was yelling profane chants, gesturing to his genitals, and basically being an idiot. I actually had to tell the usher and security guard who were standing together, "Come on guys, you've got to do your job."

Upon my return, I've been catching up with postings and just read many of the thoughts regarding Piazza being booed. It also broke my heart when he said that Mets fans were the greatest in the world; however after seeing yet another example of well-behaved, enthusiastic fans who aren't just there to get loaded, I can understand where he is coming from.

This is not to stereotype the many great Dodger fans such as those who post at Dodger Thoughts. Unfortunately, there are enough of the other kind floating around to put a damper on visits to Dodger Stadium. We shouldn't have to call the danged number to report behavior that gets out of hand, but maybe if more of us do so, maybe the rest of us will return to being the greatest fans in the world.

Thanks for listening.

2008-05-26 20:20:09
540.   Gen3Blue
Canuck, I know very little about the draft, but is Hicks a possibility in either mode, and does he have signabilty issues, or the mark that is Boras?
2008-05-26 20:46:40
541.   CanuckDodger
540 -- Hicks has no signability issues that I have heard of, and he's not advised by Boras. I think he's a possibilty for our first pick. I imagine we would only take him if we are interested in him as an outfielder. He is apparently telling clubs that if they are interested in him as a pitcher not to bother drafting him because he wants to be an outfielder in pro ball. I would endorse picking him. He's risky, because there are some questions about his bat, but he has a really high ceiling as a center fielder.
2008-05-26 20:49:53
542.   68elcamino427
Ok, what if Jones were healthy and could perform to his career average pace for the remainder of the season beginning July 18, 2008. That's 52 days from now, seven weeks and four days.

Dodgers opponents until the All-Star break:
Cubs, Mets, Rockies, Cubs, Padres, Tigers, Reds, Indians, White Sox, Angels, Astros, Giants, Braves, and Marlins.

What if Furcal can play?

The addition of Kershaw is huge. What would the Dodgers need to give up in a trade to acquire a pitcher like him? Boom, here he is in the rotation.

The Dodgers can contend. For the World Series.

2008-05-26 21:43:17
543.   Gen3Blue
541 Thanks C. I really haven't paid much attention to this draft, but you are a great resourse on prospects. I will stalk the issues of BA and other sites, but it won't be long until draft day.
2008-05-26 21:58:13
544.   xaphor
For Zappala in the previous thread.

Stephen 'Tin Tin' Duffy, Hold It, 1983 or thereabouts.

Awful, awful stuff.

2008-05-26 22:01:25
545.   thirdkato1017
Hey a little off-topic I know, but if Kershaw is the 5th starter and Billingsley follows, wouldn't that make Billingsley the number 1 starter?
2008-05-26 22:05:47
546.   dzzrtRatt
545 Torre has dyslexia.

(just kidding. the real answer is the rotation got pretzeled around by the Billingsley rain delay game and by the flop of Lowe for Penny last weekend. 1, 5, 3, 4, 2 is where we are now, I believe.

2008-05-26 22:06:21
547.   berkowit28
From Baseball Analysts (Rich Lederer):

"Loaiza was selected off waivers by the Dodgers from Oakland on August 29, 2007 in one of the biggest gifts ever bestowed upon A's GM Billy Beane. Los Angeles agreed to pay $1.17 million of Loaiza's remaining 2007 salary and assume responsibility for his $7M salary in 2008 plus the $7.5M option or $0.375M buyout in 2009. As such, the Dodgers paid the 36-year-old righthander $8.545 million for 46 2/3 innings, 50 hits, 36 runs (all earned), 21 walks, 24 strikeouts, 12 home runs allowed, and an ERA of 6.94.

What makes the Loaiza acquistion even more troublesome is the fact that the Dodgers drafted Kyle Blair, a righthanded pitcher out of Los Gatos HS (Los Gatos, CA), in the fifth round last June and failed to sign him. A first-round talent, Blair reportedly was seeking a bonus of $2 million. The Dodgers supposedly offered him a million. As the deadline approached last August, it was said that Blair had lowered his demands to $1.5M. However, L.A. chose not to meet him in the middle and let $500,000 stand in the way of inking a highly regarded prospect. Two weeks later, the Dodgers picked up Loaiza off waivers and are now stuck with a bill that will cost them more than $7M above and beyond what it would have taken to sign Blair, who has posted a 7-4 record and an ERA of 4.12 with 90 Ks in 67.2 IP in his freshman season as the third starting pitcher for the University of San Diego."

2008-05-26 22:09:18
548.   thirdkato1017
Yeah that's what I was thinking too, along with the timing of Kershaw's call-up. Still, I like to think of Billingsley as the ace, regardless of where he is in the rotation haha.
2008-05-26 22:21:55
549.   LAT
The passing of Hollywood folk usally does not mean much to me but Sydney Pollack's death is sad. Call me a girlie-man but Out of Africa makes my top five list and I always liked Three Days of the Condor.
2008-05-26 22:41:05
550.   68elcamino427
RIP Sydney
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2008-05-26 22:42:35
551.   68elcamino427
Kershaw and Billingsley give the Dodgers the two dominant arms that they need to win in the playoff series format.
2008-05-26 22:46:25
552.   KG16
At what point do we have to begin to worry that Colleti is going to make a panic move?

I like the way this team is constructed for the most part... my concerns are second base and left field. The other six starting spots are solid, the starting rotation is pretty darn good, and the bullpen is probably one of the better in the majors. But if we figure that Pierre isn't going to be traded, and that no one is going to take Kent for the remainder of the season, what realistic move can be made to improve the team?

More importantly, can McCourt/Colleti/Torre have the patience to allow this young core full year together, playing everyday, before going full blown PVL?

2008-05-26 22:46:53
553.   dzzrtRatt
Pollack went too soon. He was an intelligent filmmaker. I actually like "The Way We Were." It's a weepy chick-flick, but it is also tuned into the history, going deeper than the stereotypes about that era. "Tootsie" is a riot. "Michael Clayton" was a good reminder, in a year of arty, violent meditations like "There Will Be Blood" and "No Country for Old Men" that there is still some life in straightforward, Hollywood-style storytelling where you can clearly identify the climax. He was a pretty good actor, too.
2008-05-26 22:55:27
554.   skybluestoday
I thought "Tootsie" was the best flick of Pollack's I ever saw. I did enjoy "The Way We Were."

I had the opportunity to photograph him a few years ago at an AFI function and found him to be a straight-up guy. I asked him about his (recently deceased) friend Kubrick and he gave a deeply felt, sincere answer. Really cool guy.

I'll miss him.

2008-05-26 23:07:49
555.   Xeifrank
Dodgers had an amazing 32 plate appearances today with an above average leverage index. The Cubs only had 8. The Cubs made the most of theirs (D.Lee) vr, Xei
2008-05-26 23:55:58
556.   Bob Timmermann
Jason Schmidt had a catcher's interference called on Carlos Santana during his rehab stint in Inland Empire tonight.

I stopped paying attention to anything else after that.

2008-05-26 23:58:51
557.   LoneStar7
552 I'm with you on that..I feel like we are so ready to win now, but missing a few very important pieces...a result of gross underachieving (Jones and Pierre), the unfortunate health of Schmidt and tony abreu, and that we have a great prospect ready to play just sitting around in Vegas..
2008-05-27 01:57:41
558.   Eric Enders
553 I liked Michael Clayton, too. However, Pollack didn't direct it. He just acted in it.

I probably liked him better as an actor than a director, actually. Tootsie is a masterpiece, but I just didn't connect with stuff like The Way We Were and The Firm. But he really had an outstanding on-camera presence.

2008-05-27 02:06:22
559.   Eric Enders
Actually, I shouldn't have said he just acted in it. He was a producer, too.
2008-05-27 05:37:24
560.   Ken Noe
As heard on MSNBC this morning:

Mike Barnacle: "Chuck Todd, as always you're here to explain and educate, and sometimes even entertain."

Chuck Todd: "Well I hope I entertain, I've sort of felt like the Dodgers lately."

Barnacle: "Well, at least they have some good kids."

2008-05-27 05:49:29
561.   D4P
In 26 games at Las Vegas this season, LaRoche has 33 BBs.
2008-05-27 06:47:49
562.   Daniel Zappala
544 xaphor, you got it right. No prize, though, since you don't like it. :=P
2008-05-27 07:19:25
563.   D4P
Funny: I was actually gonna guess Duran Duran, of which I see that Stephen Duffy was an original member.
2008-05-27 07:29:59
564.   D4P
Female tennis player (and Greg Brock favorite) Ashley Harkleroad to appear in "Playboy" magazine.

2008-05-27 07:35:37
565.   Jon Weisman

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