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2008-07-25 17:32
by Jon Weisman

In defense of my prediction that Andruw Jones would be benched when Juan Pierre returned, I didn't know that Pierre would be back a week before the end of July. So the trial period for Jones that I described isn't over yet. The benching of Jones could still happen by the time I suggested it would.

In the meantime, I'll say this. Yes, Jones could still improve this season. But what are the chances that he'll improve to the level that already being offered by Andre Ethier, who is benched for tonight (against a left-hander, for what it's worth)?

Tonight is one game, and we'll see what happens after that. But what Dodger manager Joe Torre is doing isn't right, for team performance or for fairness. Ethier has worked too hard (that's what they want, right?) and been too effective to be cast aside. Jones isn't going to hit a homer every three games this year. He is not the player they thought they were getting. He has a long way to go just to match Ethier's performance when other people said Ethier was slumping. Let Jones work his way off the bench like the other Dodger outfielders did.

It's one thing not to make lane changes willy-nilly, but Jones is a SigAlert in the fast lane, an overturned big rig in rush hour. It's time to go around him until AAA doesn't need to tow him.

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Update: Testy Torre (via Ken Gurnick at MLB.com).

Juan Pierre was back in the Dodgers' lineup Friday night, but so was Andruw Jones, which got the media asking pointed questions about Andre Ethier being the odd man out, which got manager Joe Torre a little testy.

"Because that's the way I wrote it down," Torre said, when questioned why Jones and his .166 batting average were in the lineup for the opener of a 10-game homestand and Ethier, batting .277, was not.

When it was suggested that Jones, who volunteered to return early from knee surgery, could return to a Minor League rehab assignment, Torre said: "When you get your team you can run it your way. For now, we'll do it our way."

Torre's brief annoyance with the line of questioning quickly shifted to a reasoned explanation focusing on the fact that Washington was pitching left-handers John Lannan on Friday night and former Dodger Odalis Perez Saturday night. Jones is batting .186 against lefties, Ethier .205. ...

Torre said he met with Ethier and asked for patience. At least for the first two games of this series, Ethier lost his job to a player (Pierre) returning from injury that he originally beat out in spring competition for the Opening Day job, while Jones remains in the lineup despite being a season-long disappointment. Matt Kemp, hitting .290, has pretty much been a starter since Spring Training.

"I told [Ethier] to just bear with me," Torre said. "I also told him how proud I am for how far he's come and just bear with me while I get a feel for how long it's going to take. It can't take a month. We have to make up our minds in smaller increments.

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2008-07-25 17:43:56
1.   MonkeyBlue
I'm going to cry now.
2008-07-25 17:45:49
2.   Neal Pollack
We all knew it was coming. Now it's here. And it feels terrible.
2008-07-25 17:47:02
3.   Jon Weisman
D4P: "Tell Me You Love Me" has been canceled.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117989527.html

2008-07-25 17:48:04
4.   Bob Timmermann
3
So you decided to tell the one other viewer of that show?
2008-07-25 17:48:46
5.   MollyKnight
3-NO! No!!!! Worse news than Ethier on the bench!
2008-07-25 17:49:36
6.   GMac In The 909
3 I'm going to miss seeing Penny in her knickers.
2008-07-25 17:51:07
7.   Icaros
I wish Deadwood would come back from the dead.
2008-07-25 17:52:16
8.   Bob Timmermann
Wishing for Deadwood to come back is like hoping that Jayson Werth will be in left field tonight instead of Juan Pierre.
2008-07-25 17:53:55
9.   Icaros
I want Werth in left and Cody Ross in center.
2008-07-25 17:54:59
10.   Bob Timmermann
Wanting Cody Ross in center is like hoping that "Hennessey" will come back on the air.
2008-07-25 17:57:10
11.   Icaros
I'd also like to introduce my catcher, Dioner Navarro. He makes good throws to my second baseman, Russell Martin.
2008-07-25 17:59:51
12.   Bob Timmermann
11
How about if I get you "Mr. Peepers" on DVD and we call it a day?
2008-07-25 18:01:30
13.   D4P
3
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That really sucks. My wife and I have been so looking forward to season two, and I've been looking for updates every few days or so (to no avail). That's a major bummer, though I must say, I always thought they might struggle to figure out where to go from where they left off, so I'm not surprised when I hear

Series creator/exec producer Cynthia Mort said in statement issued Friday afternoon that she and others were "unable to find the direction of the show for the second season,".

When it comes to TV shows, only the good die young.

2008-07-25 18:05:27
14.   Icaros
I watched that show one time and I'm still depressed.
2008-07-25 18:06:14
15.   Who Is Karim Garcia
They leave me feeling empty with The Wire, feeling lost with Deadwood and now this?

I've done something to anger HBO.

2008-07-25 18:09:08
16.   D4P
14
It was so real, man. So real...
2008-07-25 18:10:16
17.   GMac In The 909
15 Please don't do anything that will make them pull the plug on Flight of the Conchords, round two.
2008-07-25 18:10:26
18.   Marty
I'm still pining for John from Cincinnati.
2008-07-25 18:11:56
19.   D4P
I actually think the second season of TMYLM was destined to be worse than the first, so part of me is kinda happy. But the rest of me is pretty sad.
2008-07-25 18:14:24
20.   Icaros
Do you even like to watch the parts where the old people get it on?
2008-07-25 18:16:47
21.   D4P
20
I watch the show for the articles.
2008-07-25 18:16:58
22.   MollyKnight
4-For that, he'll need to text Andre Iguodala.
2008-07-25 18:23:19
23.   Icaros
USAToday confirms the return of Sasha Vujacic

http://tinyurl.com/58svv3

Kwame Brown may be next.

http://tinyurl.com/583odl

2008-07-25 18:24:33
24.   JoeyP
Jon was channelling his inner Bhsportsguy searching for hopeless optimism.

Optimism is great.

Its just too bad there is none around the Dodgers currently.

2008-07-25 18:28:13
25.   JoeyP
23--Kwame doesnt deserve to be in the in the NBA even at the league minimum.

Not sure how I feel about the Sasha deal. Offer seems pretty high, and he didnt receive much interest around the league. But I'd rather have him than a Smush Parker type that could have been the replacement.

2008-07-25 18:28:23
26.   Andrew Shimmin
21- It's a little curious that TMYLM was exempt from your house rules on that matter.
2008-07-25 18:30:58
27.   Andrew Shimmin
There's plenty to be optimistic about. Just like there was in April. It's bad news, but not all bad ideas fail. Marlon Anderson went ballistic for no particular reason just two seasons ago. The chances that Jones will rebound have to be better than the chances of that happening. Kent too. Baseball is weird. It can be a stupid moron and it can be unicorn chops with raspberry gravy.
2008-07-25 18:36:17
28.   Icaros
Mmm...unicorn chops.
2008-07-25 18:36:24
29.   Jon Weisman
24 - I still believe Jones will be benched by early August if he doesn't improve. I stand by my prediction.
2008-07-25 18:39:21
30.   Gagne55
I've never even heard of Tell Me You Love Me before reading this thread.
2008-07-25 18:41:26
31.   Lexinthedena
only someone desperately clinging to their own foul existence would kill a unicorn.
2008-07-25 18:43:38
32.   Who Is Karim Garcia
What kind of wine do you have with unicorn?
2008-07-25 18:47:32
33.   JoeyP
TEAM USA looks awfully good and Lebron hasnt even played.

106-61.

2008-07-25 18:47:47
34.   Tripon
Any way Andre's part of a trade? Out of all the young guys, he the most expendable in terms of talent/ability.
2008-07-25 18:48:34
35.   fanerman
31 And worse, drink its blood.
2008-07-25 18:51:58
36.   Im So Blue
From the previous thread:
138 The Czechs had a penchant for tossing people out windows that they didn't like.

What didn't they like about the windows? Was it the [lack of a] view? ;)

2008-07-25 18:52:16
37.   Icaros
I've seen Andrew eat an entire unicorn in one sitting, then use its horn for a toothpick.
2008-07-25 19:00:41
38.   Andrew Shimmin
I sees a unicorn, I eats the unicorn. Everybody's got to have a code.
2008-07-25 19:06:58
39.   MollyKnight
30-Naked women everywhere, and you missed it.
2008-07-25 19:08:19
40.   Bob Timmermann
39
And yet extraordinarily uninteresting and not salacious.
2008-07-25 19:08:48
41.   Andrew Shimmin
Larry Bowa's coming out against the brawl in Dayton. Disappointing. Somebody should support the brawlers, and Bowa would have been my pick.
2008-07-25 19:09:20
42.   regfairfield
34 He's got the lowest ceiling, but sadly he's our best outfielder right now. I can't see him going anywhere any time soon. Fortunately his defense is his best attribute, so he's not going to make jack in arbitration.
2008-07-25 19:11:55
43.   Bob Timmermann
41
I came out against the brawl on BTF and ticked off people because I violated Rules 2, 3, 6, and 7 in just two comments.
2008-07-25 19:16:22
44.   Andrew Shimmin
I would have been offended, but I really do enjoy bear baiting.
2008-07-25 19:16:32
45.   KG16
32 , 35 - i heard that unicorn blood is very similar to a solid Bordeaux.

42 - i maintain that the dodgers will rue the day they let Ethier go.

2008-07-25 19:17:23
46.   JoeyP
Things could be worse.

That Nationals are starting Paul Loduca, he of the .607 season OPS, at 1st base.

2008-07-25 19:17:29
47.   KG16
43 - it took you two comments?
2008-07-25 19:18:08
48.   Bob Timmermann
In his last start before the All-Star Break, Yu Darvish of the Nippon Ham Fighters gave up 5 runs on 11 hits and struck out 8 in 8 innings of work.

He threw 165 pitches.

2008-07-25 19:22:03
49.   Andrew Shimmin
Thanks to Google, I now know that unicorn blood is a Harry Potter thing. So, if anybody else is wondering whether KG is a little bet creepy, the answer is no: he just reads Harry Potter books.
2008-07-25 19:23:21
50.   be2ween
18 I'm still pining for WKRP in Cincinnati.
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2008-07-25 19:29:22
51.   KG16
49 - i was just making a joke, i did not know the Harry Potter thing. i've never read or watched anything harry potter related.
2008-07-25 19:29:23
52.   LoneStar7
well Andre it was fun while it lasted, I don't like Joe Torre
2008-07-25 19:30:27
53.   Andrew Shimmin
51- It's okay. Brock reads them, too. No judgment.
2008-07-25 19:31:35
54.   KG16
53 - i'm more of a paulo coelho fan, myself.
2008-07-25 19:34:38
55.   Dodgers49
0 For the first time since I've been on Dodger Thoughts (about two years) I get to see the whole sidebar (without scrolling to the right). So if that's part of the layout experiments I guess I can roll with it.
2008-07-25 19:35:47
56.   Sam DC
And MASN is advertising its Orioles coverage at Dodger Thoughts because . . .
2008-07-25 19:36:33
57.   68elcamino427
Three things that Torre does that I like:

Martin plays all the time

Loney plays all the time

Kemp plays all the time over the past month+

*Special added bonus - LaRoche is starting

This represents the majortiy of the Hot Stove League wish list.

2008-07-25 19:37:03
58.   Tripon
52

Grady Little and Jim Tracy would have done the same thing.

2008-07-25 19:37:11
59.   MollyKnight
Just nearly missed being decapitated by a JJ Hardy foul ball. (And then he whacked a double).
2008-07-25 19:37:34
60.   Sam DC
LAT been around lately? Wonder if he's catching a game with the Lerners this weekend as he has in the past.

I don't have any questions I could pass on without violating the rules of Dodger Thoughts, unfortunately.

2008-07-25 19:38:17
61.   CanuckDodger
So, nobody's talking about the Yankees getting Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte from the Pirates today, in exchange for a bit of belly button lint? And we were supposed to give the Pirates Matt Kemp for Jack Wilson?

There is one price for the Dodgers, and a much lower price for everybody else. Maybe other teams wouldn't find us "difficult" to deal with if they weren't always trying to screw us nine ways from Sunday.

2008-07-25 19:39:01
62.   Ken Arneson
55 Yes, in the process of changing the layouts today, I wrestled Microsoft to the ground, and got rid of the tables I used to have to use to get things to line up in stupid IE.
2008-07-25 19:39:27
63.   MollyKnight
Wesley Wright enters the game during crunch time for the Astros.

Huzzah!

2008-07-25 19:40:32
64.   Andrew Shimmin
Is Jose Tabata really nothing? I know he's had a rough couple of years, but he's still kind of something, isn't he? What is he, 19 now? I would have traded Cody Ross and Jayson Werth for him.
2008-07-25 19:40:39
65.   Tripon
61

The trade was for Matt Kemp and Chad Billingsly for Jack Wilson, according to Jason Stark.

2008-07-25 19:42:08
66.   Andrew Shimmin
Tabata has had a wikipedia page for two years. He's notable!
2008-07-25 19:42:33
67.   MollyKnight
And, Wright makes one pitch to retire Prince Fielder and end the rally. Le sigh.
2008-07-25 19:44:36
68.   KG16
moment of truth.
2008-07-25 19:44:51
69.   RELX
Since July 24, 2007, one year's time, the Dodgers record is 75-87. They are three games under .500 this season. The Dodger management and the LA Times sportswriters can write all they want about the greatness of Juan Pierre, but the record speaks for itself--and the most important numbers, wins and loses, prove that this team's management is inept.
2008-07-25 19:46:24
70.   KG16
feh
2008-07-25 19:46:41
71.   CanuckDodger
64 -- Tabata's stock has plummeted. Could it go up again? Possible. But the Pirates traded for him, and gave up a lot, when Tabata's trade value should have been negligible.
2008-07-25 19:46:56
72.   fanerman
What a great out. He didn't even strike out.
2008-07-25 19:47:24
73.   fanerman
Well he seems to be running okay. Though I was only half-paying attention.
2008-07-25 19:47:31
74.   Ken Noe
Now that's what a real lead-off batter can do.
2008-07-25 19:49:19
75.   Fallout
57 68elcamino427
With that statement and the one a few days ago concerning having to face Brandon Webb that went something like, "that's why we play the game" I like your attitude.
2008-07-25 19:49:54
76.   Bob Timmermann
Forget about the Giants winning today. The D-Backs are up 5-0.
2008-07-25 19:51:08
77.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I'm at the game. We have visual confirmation that jones is in the lineup.
2008-07-25 19:51:51
78.   dzzrtRatt
Okay, so let's twist the knife a little. Let's say Jones not only figures things out, but gets hot. It could happen. He goes on a tear, hits nine home runs in the next three weeks. Meanwhile, Pierre continues to do "exactly what we're paying him to do," which is to be the toughest guy to strike out in the league who also mostly hits weak grounders. What will Torre do then? Will Ethier continue to sit, with his 11 homers? Does Pierre "need to be in the lineup every day?"

Torre is banking on Jones playing poorly to solve his problem for him. But maybe he won't. Slumps do end, sometimes.

2008-07-25 19:51:57
79.   old dodger fan
Great catch by Kemp. Wow
2008-07-25 19:51:58
80.   68elcamino427
Bison Defense!
2008-07-25 19:52:17
81.   Sam DC
Hanrahan update: http://tinyurl.com/3dj3u2
2008-07-25 19:52:19
82.   Who Is Karim Garcia
the bison with a heck of a grab
2008-07-25 19:52:21
83.   MonkeyBlue
Jones could have hurt Bison!
2008-07-25 19:52:31
84.   fanerman
The Bison Roams™!
2008-07-25 19:52:53
85.   scareduck
That was impressive, young Jedi.
2008-07-25 19:53:24
86.   Ken Noe
83 Or eaten him.
2008-07-25 19:53:28
87.   scareduck
78 - Let's say Jones not only figures things out, but gets hot.

Let's say pigs fly.

2008-07-25 19:54:34
88.   Andrew Shimmin
I would totally eat a flying pig.
2008-07-25 19:55:14
89.   MonkeyBlue
Bills is dealing. I love it!
2008-07-25 19:56:53
90.   scareduck
88 - I stuck a knife into the air...
2008-07-25 19:58:09
91.   Tripon
Lets say the crowd suddenly doesn't boo Jones.
2008-07-25 19:59:21
92.   regfairfield
71 Is Nady a lot? He's pretty much just a "at least it's not Juan Pierre" type of guy. Tabata seems like the type of guy the Pirates should be stockpiling.
2008-07-25 20:00:29
93.   Bob Timmermann
The Blue Jays beat Seattle 5-4 in 10 innings. The Mariners had four holds and two blown saves.
2008-07-25 20:00:57
94.   KG16
i liked nomar better when he was acting like it was 1998.
2008-07-25 20:01:18
95.   68elcamino427
75
Thanks Fallout - Maybe someday we'll get everything that we want.
2008-07-25 20:01:33
96.   tethier
78 I think you're an optimist. We can only hope that Jones goes on a tear. What's more likely to happen is that Jones won't get hot, he'll get lukewarm. He won't be bad enough to put on the bench, but will show enough for Torre to keep him in the lineup. He'll be a lot better than he has been - which of course won't be too hard to do.
2008-07-25 20:02:20
97.   KG16
not the best segway... "a lot of pressure on the Dodgers to produce, and here is Andruw Jones"

got to love Vinny

2008-07-25 20:02:26
98.   Tripon
The Team Formerly Known as the Sonics has trademarked several nicknames such as the Thunder and the... Bison.
2008-07-25 20:02:26
99.   Andrew Shimmin
I like Nady. He's probably not as good as he's been, but I liked him back when he was a Padre. And I didn't realize Marte had been as good as he has. If I were a Pirate fan, I don't know that I'd be thrilled about the deal, but I think Tabata would be nice to dream about.
2008-07-25 20:02:28
100.   Marty
I'd deep fry a flying pig.
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2008-07-25 20:03:12
101.   tethier
He's afraid of Jones.
2008-07-25 20:03:49
102.   KG16
wow, even if he was given the take sign, hard to pass up a change up over the heart of the plate
2008-07-25 20:03:50
103.   Tripon
There are the boos.
2008-07-25 20:03:57
104.   Icaros
There's something juxtaposingly poetic about a Bob Marley song blasting to a chorus of boos.
2008-07-25 20:04:14
105.   scareduck
"BOOOOOO!!!!!"

My, that was fun. Let's do it another 300 times before the season is over, shall we?

2008-07-25 20:05:37
106.   xaphor
Country fried pork wings.
2008-07-25 20:05:44
107.   regfairfield
The Pirates goal over the next week should be sell everyone they can for the highest ceiling guys they can acquire. I think turning Xavier Nady into a dream is a good way to start that. If the Pirates hold on to any useful players outside of Gorzalanney and Snell they go on the "teams we should trade with" list.
2008-07-25 20:06:11
108.   Tripon
Ah, Paul LoDuca. ... Man, that sucked.
2008-07-25 20:06:22
109.   CanuckDodger
92 -- Nady's hitting .330/.383/.535, and Marte is a good set-up man. I would think that package would get a lot more than what the Pirates got for them, especially considering what outrageous demands are being made when the Dodgers inquire about much lesser players.
2008-07-25 20:06:41
110.   scareduck
97 - there's only one Segway.

http://www.segway.com/

2008-07-25 20:06:41
111.   Bob Timmermann
There was no reaction at all to Lo Duca.

We've all moved on.

Thank God.

2008-07-25 20:07:18
112.   ucladodger
107

Ian Snell has been maybe the worst starter in baseball this year. Craazy difference from last year.

Thats an out with Raffy.

2008-07-25 20:07:25
113.   old dodger fan
111 He may be moving on as well.
2008-07-25 20:07:42
114.   68elcamino427
105
If you submit and get into it - you may be doing it 36 million times.
2008-07-25 20:08:50
115.   Tripon
113 To Japan or Mexico?
2008-07-25 20:08:51
116.   regfairfield
109 Okay, so regress him back to his usual .280 and he's Xavier Nady. His strikeout rate is down so maybe there's something to him, but Tabata seems like a decent return for a guy that should return anything really.
2008-07-25 20:08:54
117.   old dodger fan
That was close but it was a good call.
2008-07-25 20:09:51
118.   old dodger fan
115 Nats announcers think Yankees.
2008-07-25 20:11:27
119.   Bob Timmermann
The Nats offense:
Get 'em on
Get 'em over
Get 'em in
We can do that at least once!
2008-07-25 20:12:07
120.   KG16
118 - well, word is Posada isn't catching the rest of the season. Not that having LoDuca behind the plate is much of an upgrade over whichever Molina is in the Bronx
2008-07-25 20:12:15
121.   Andrew Shimmin
Charlie at Bucs Dugout likes the deal, especially Kontos (whom I hadn't heard of before). His commenters don't, much.
2008-07-25 20:12:40
122.   scareduck
Any automobile that offers anything by Microsoft is on my list of vehicles I have no interest in, ever. I mean, the "blue screen of death" takes on a different meaning at 65 MPH.
2008-07-25 20:13:15
123.   old dodger fan
120 He's played 1st and LF this year as well.
2008-07-25 20:13:37
124.   scareduck
LaRoche has failed me for the last time.
2008-07-25 20:14:33
125.   regfairfield
121 His commenters also said "I wouldn't put Nady in the deal for Wilson". Charlie is the only sane one there.
2008-07-25 20:15:18
126.   scareduck
125 - is this a surprise? How crazy do you have to be to be a fan of the Nats?
2008-07-25 20:16:22
127.