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Position Player Update: Make Room for Martinez and Robles
2006-03-13 12:02
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Assuming 14 position player spots on the 25-man roster, here's a non-pitching update of last month's assessment of the Dodger roster:

Locks (11)
Starting Lineup (8): Dioner Navarro, Nomar Garciaparra, Jeff Kent, Rafael Furcal, Bill Mueller, J.D. Drew, Kenny Lofton, Jose Cruz, Jr.
Bench (3): Ricky Ledee, Olmedo Saenz, Sandy Alomar Jr.

Most Likely to Succeed (3):
Ramon Martinez, IF - General manager Ned Colletti's pet has polished his apple in Spring Training, OPS-ing over 1.000. Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me three times ...

Jason Repko, OF: Similar story, incumbent version. Repko plays all three outfield positions, is a right-handed bat in a lefty-dominated outfield, scans as "Likeable" on the department store register and has had a great March (until the past few days).

Oscar Robles, IF: Until Izturis gets back, Robles will win out for having held his own this month (.825 OPS). He wears his .250 batting average the way Tony Randall proudly donned his ascot on "The Odd Couple."

Still in the Running (3)
Andre Ethier, OF: Definitely has made a positive impression. He's the right Repkoian age for a promotion, and the Dodgers might not mind having something tangible to show for the Milton Bradley trade on Opening Day. The 25th man decision could come down to Ethier vs. Robles. Certainly, Ethier is in line for the inevitable post-injury callup.

Joel Guzman, OF: His spring has been an adulterated success. He's not perfect in the outfield or at the plate - one walk, seven strikeouts in 29 plate appearances - but he has done decently (.845 OPS) and shown a good attitude toward his position change. The Ned Colletti/Grady Little Dodgers don't seem like the kind to put a guy like this in the spotlight right away, so expect they'll let him chase a few fly balls in Las Vegas for a while.

Cody Ross, OF: Out of options, Ross has put up a valiant effort with three March home runs. The Dodgers could decide to let Ethier and Guzman play full-time in the minors, stash or dump Robles and give Ross a second chance following his disappointing 2005 as a 25th man - then quickly dispose of him and his connection to former Dodger general manager Paul DePodesta should Ross not take advantage.

Back up the Dumptruck (1)
Hee Seop Choi, 1B: Probably needed to bat .500 in the World Baseball Classic to hold his spot. Instead, he's 3 for 14. There doesn't appear to be a significant voice left in the organization that wouldn't prefer anyone at first base but him. Despite Nomar Garciaparra's 3 for 23, no-walk March so far, only an injury would appear to be able to save Choi now. (In fact, James Loney's decent play may have rendered Choi completely irrelevant to the team's eyes.)

To the Minors, With Love (7+)
Tony Abreu, IF: Guzman's conversion from shortstop to the outfield has the domino effect of helping keep playing time available in Las Vegas for the young second baseman.

Willy Aybar, IF: Aybar's quiet spring - broken only today by a two-run, extra-inning home run - while the so-called proven veterans have shone, will send him back to the minors. Worth noting, however: a team-high six walks.

Matt Kemp, OF: Made a great first impression on the new leadership - though perhaps you'll be shocked to learn he's only 4 for 28 in March with no walks - but he could rise quickly.

Andy LaRoche, 3B: Had that big six-RBI inning in the first week; otherwise not much production so far. Of course, he was never expected to do anything but start in Las Vegas.

James Loney, 1B: As hinted at earlier, he may have succeeded in establishing himself not as a backup on the 25-man roster, but more importantly, as the primary starter should Garciaparra go down. On the other hand, Cesar Izturis' rapid recovery from injury could awaken the dormant plans to move Jeff Kent to first base.

Russell Martin, C: Has outperformed Navarro this spring, but the Dodgers aren't getting carried away - yet.

Delwyn Young, OF: The other former infielder has three singles in 25 plate appearances in exhibition play, confirming his ticket to AAA.

Fodder (1+)
Chris Truby, 1B-3B: Unlike Martinez, he is stuck in this category like flies on taffy.

Disabled List (2):
Cesar Izturis, Jayson Werth

Comments (187)
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2006-03-13 14:16:20
1.   oldbear
Repko, Martinez, Robles, and Alomar...Thats one weak bench.
2006-03-13 14:23:33
2.   trainwreck
Another thing to worry about is Aaron Sele making this team. I think we may see Sele becoming the long reliever.
2006-03-13 14:30:51
3.   Voxter
Cruz is a lock, huh? sigh

I wonder how much it would cost some enterprising team with a hole at first base to get Choi from the Dodgers. I'm betting two corndogs and Baltic Avenue, at most.

2006-03-13 14:32:00
4.   Voxter
Woah, how did the world "sigh" get bolded? Was it the asterisks? Here, I'm going to try it again:

poppycock

2006-03-13 14:34:41
5.   oldbear
I think we may see Sele becoming the long reliever.

Sele would get plenty of work in that role. What would a Dodger team be without another Giovanni Carrara?

2006-03-13 14:35:35
6.   bigcpa
PECOTA loves these guys-

Alomar .250 .287 .322
Martinez .258 .311 .341
Repko .250 .305 .418
Robles .264 .340 .374

2006-03-13 14:47:51
7.   D4P
The more I think about it, the more I think the Dodgers should trade Guzman ASAP. Unless I'm mistaken, his primary value (and highly-rated prospect status) stemmed from being a very good-hitting SS. Now, he's a merely a decent-hitting outfielder.

The Dodgers should trade him now while his perceived value is still that of a "very good-hitting SS" and they could get more in return for him than the equivalent of a "decent-hitting outfielder."

2006-03-13 14:49:36
8.   underdog
Mmmmm.... flies on taffy.... ooooo.... {{drool}}

Nice assessement, Jon - seems pretty accurate to me. I'm actually fairly happy with the depth here, considering the # of guys having good springs who still won't make the starting team but would be in line to help out should someone get injured (as you said, inevitably).

I actually think Sele could be this year's Elmer Dessens, which wouldn't be such a bad thing, especially because it seems like Billingsley and co. could benefit from a little more seasoning.

I'm glad they have more OF depth now - especially since, again, inevitably someone will get hurt or lose favor.

I predict R Martin will be up catching for them at the season's mid-way point, with Alomar out and Pat Borders hopefully coaching in Florida.

C

2006-03-13 14:53:13
9.   D4P
8
Let ED = Sele being this year's Elmer Dessens
Let SE = Sele being this year's Scott Erickson
Let P(X) = Probability of X occuring

P(SE) >>>>> P(ED)

2006-03-13 14:55:28
10.   underdog
I got a "C+" in Algebra but I think that says if Sele starts over Seo many fans will be P(SE)(ED). ?
2006-03-13 15:07:22
12.   Jon Weisman
I hope it goes without saying that I'm just identifying trends. If, for example, Aybar went nuts over the next three weeks and someone else cratered, it's not like his fate is completely sealed.

But I think the probabilities are pretty well-defined. I think the pitching is much more up in the air, which is why I've held off on updating that.

2006-03-13 15:07:58
13.   Sushirabbit
If ever there was a team that could use M. Cabrera it is the Dodgers. Man I wish we could do a deal for that guy.
2006-03-13 15:09:18
14.   Marty
I thought Martinez was burnishing the cat.
2006-03-13 15:09:31
15.   D4P
13
But Mueller has more experience...
2006-03-13 15:13:29
16.   underdog
Sorry, I like Aybar, too, and am rooting for him and Robles over Martinez (not that I have much against the latter, either) to make the squad - but I don't agree that he should be starting over Mueller. Not at this point, anyway. You guys are going to like Mueller more than you may realize at this early stage. Even when he was on the Giants, I liked him, and I usually hate all Giants beyond reason. But if Mueller got hurt (more of a possibility than him sucking), I'd feel okay with Aybar as a replacement, especially since LaRoche needs more seasoning.
2006-03-13 15:14:02
18.   Jon Weisman
14 - Oooh, you are so right.
2006-03-13 15:14:37
19.   overkill94
11 Mikey has too much pride to be a back-up catcher. Plus, who wants to pay $2 million for a guy that should only play 30-40 games (i.e. if he were the backup)?

1 Our bench may seem weak, but if there are any injuries we have guys in the minors to step up so that the reserves can remain reserves. Ledee and Saenz is a good L-R punch off the bench as well.

2006-03-13 15:16:23
21.   overkill94
17 Who's to say he was available? He won't be a free agent until after this year.
2006-03-13 15:18:56
22.   overkill94
20 It may have gone down, but it's still pretty good (around .800). Plus, his home and away splits are very similar in 2 of the 3 years he played at Fenway. Oh yeah, and he was in the NL for 8 seasons before his 3 in the AL, I don't think it should be much of an adjustment.
2006-03-13 15:20:37
24.   Marty
20 I think D4P was being facetious.
2006-03-13 15:23:27
26.   regfairfield
20 Even if Aybar manages to match what he did in AAA last year (.297/.356/.419) he isn't that much better than my terribly unoptimistic projection for Mueller (.275/.345/.400). When you consider that he will, in fact, get worse between AAA and the majors. Mueller is the better current option.

If it were up to me, we wouldn't have Mueller and Nomar would play third with Aybar as a capable backup. Now that we have Mueller, we should use him.

2006-03-13 15:24:13
27.   underdog
Signing Piazza might have been fun for the fans, but he would indeed have been a backup. An expensive backup, whose catching skills, once neglible, have deterioated further, and thus would have nothing to teach the young 'uns. He can still hit on occasion and I liked him but I can understand why they wouldn't want to sign him.
2006-03-13 15:28:15
28.   overkill94
23 We offered Giles more than 12 million a year, but he went with the hometown discount instead.

Plus, your math doesn't add up, we'd still be short a CF and SP with no money left to spend.

2006-03-13 15:29:15
29.   bigcpa
23 We offered Giles $11.5M/yr. I don't think the extra $500K would have swayed him.
2006-03-13 15:30:41
30.   overkill94
25 Sorry, this has all been discussed before, so I'm just taking it upon myself to be the stat ambassador :)
2006-03-13 15:30:55
31.   Marty
OT, anyone heard of KT Tunstall? I just saw a video of her on a British program and based on one song, she's pretty impressive.
2006-03-13 15:33:56
32.   Bob Timmermann
I think we need someone to say either in a Captain Kirk voice:

"Chooooooooiiiiiiiiii!!!!"

Or perhaps like Michael on "Lost"

"Heeeeeeeee-Seoppppppppppppppp!!!"

2006-03-13 15:39:15
33.   Jon Weisman
32 - We'd just better hope that our universe isn't a figment of Choi's autistic imagination.
2006-03-13 15:39:25
34.   Andrew Shimmin
Any guess what the odds are that the Dodgers break camp with 11 pitchers instead of 12? I could see it going either way. If my choice was Martinez or a second LOOGy, I'd really have to think about it. It's going to be hard to watch Martinez and Repko, knowing that Young and Aybar should have their spots. Well, and because it's just inherently tough to watch Repko and Martinez.
2006-03-13 15:40:58
35.   natepurcell
i personally dont think bluetotheextreme is a serious poster, but trying to be an oldbear clone and get under his skin.

I believe this because most of the stuff being posted by bluetotheextreme has been complete idiocy.

2006-03-13 15:42:03
36.   Bob Timmermann
So I better enjoy Wednesday's WBC game between Korea and Japan because it may be the last time I see Choi in these parts?

It won't get easier for Choi tonight as Dontrelle Willis is starting.

He's a lefty with weird arm angles.

Then again, Canada beat the (insert euphemism here) out of him.

2006-03-13 15:43:55
37.   natepurcell
Then again, Canada beat the [brother] out of him.
2006-03-13 15:45:45
38.   Jon Weisman
33 - Should I clarify that that's my fourth career reference to the "St. Elsewhere" series finale, with no criticism intended toward Choi or autistics.
2006-03-13 15:47:22
39.   De Ruijter
17

As a Jays fan, I have to question your opinion about Ted Lilly.

#1 on your list (increasing K rate) is false, because his K rate was steady from 2003 to 2004, then dropped (from 7.67 to 6.85)

#2 doesn't sound right. "Durable" seems wrong, because Lilly missed all of August last year with biceps problems, and had complained of wrist soreness and shoulder soreness at various points in the season. He's also missed Spring Training two years in a row with injuries. "Innings eater" doesn't seem to describe him either, because he averaged only 5 innings per start last year.

As for the AL east thing, that's a mirage. He pitches very well against Boston, and his worst starts last year were against teams like Seattle, Kansas City, and Washington. The Yankees do crush him, though.

More subjectively, if you check Jays blogs about him, you get comments like "Uncoachable. Stubborn. Million-dollar-arm, ten-cent head" and "he's a wuss. He won't listen to his coaches, either"

I like Lilly, but Dodger Stadium would do nothing to help his home run rate, either.

2006-03-13 15:48:53
40.   MartinBillingsley31
Great post jon, i love it when you post an analysis of the team, these kinda posts are my favorites.

7

The more I think about it, the more I think the Dodgers should trade Guzman ASAP. Unless I'm mistaken, his primary value (and highly-rated prospect status) stemmed from being a very good-hitting SS. Now, he's a merely a decent-hitting outfielder.

That's what i've been saying for the longest time, i allways wanted guzman to stay a shortstop, can you imagine the dodgers having a shortstop with 30+ hr potential.
But i still don't want the dodgers to trade him tho.
Maybe if we keep drew and add a couple power hitting outfield free agents, we can move guzman back to shortstop or to 2b, and either trade furcal or put furcal at 2b or leave furcal at ss, in the future.

I have a feeling penny lowe perez seo tomko gagne baez brazoban carter wunsch hamulack are going to be our 11 pitchers.
And navarro alomar nomar saenz kent furcal mueller drew cruz lofton ledee are 11 position locks, with either ross or repko and either robles or martinez as locks.
And the 25th man is going to be an up and down thing from the minors to the majors and vice versa depending on if the team needs an extra position player or an extra reliever.

2006-03-13 15:52:27
41.   natepurcell
can you imagine the dodgers having a shortstop with 30+ hr potential.

whats wrong with a RF that hits 30 homeruns? obviously, 30 homerun shortstops are rare, but its not like 30 homerun RFers grow on trees.

How many starting RFs last year hit 30 homeruns? im guessing not even half.

2006-03-13 15:54:03
43.   Bob Timmermann
Would it be possible for someone with autism or Asperger's Syndrome to be a pro athlete?
2006-03-13 15:58:26
44.   natepurcell
27 players hit 30 hrs or more last year.

out of the 27 players, 12 were outfielders.

out of the 12 outfielders, 4 were right fielders.

2006-03-13 15:58:55
45.   MartinBillingsley31
41

Yea but 25 hr outfielders do grow on trees.
And that's 5 hr's less than 30.

30 hr shortstops never grow on trees, unless your name is alex rodriguez.

2006-03-13 16:01:03
46.   kngoworld
*HEY
2006-03-13 16:03:00
47.   natepurcell
guzman is not going to play shortstop in the majors. from this point on, he is now strictly an outfielder. some of you need to get over that because this debate is approaching choi/depo level.
2006-03-13 16:03:59
48.   bigcpa
43 Isn't social awkwardness the primary symptom of Asperger's syndrome? So maybe Eddie Murray and Steve Carlton have it.
2006-03-13 16:07:58
49.   MartinBillingsley31
47

What about 2b in the future for guzman, we could have another kent.

Actually i would think 2b would be a good position for him, long legs and long arms getting to the balls hit between 2b and 1b.

2006-03-13 16:10:57
50.   MartinBillingsley31
44

You could add drew to that list if he would have stayed healthy, and i would assume you could add even more outfielders who didn't stay healthy.

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2006-03-13 16:11:08
51.   Bob Timmermann
48

One hallmark of Asperger's is that a person can obsessively focus on one task. Which may not be a bad thing for some pro athletes. It may not be great if you're in a team sport though because there are elements of cooperation necessary.

Sounds like something for a tennis player.

2006-03-13 16:11:18
52.   natepurcell
guzmans not going to play second base. he is not a middle infielder anymore.

he is not going to play 3b because of laroche.

dewitt will be the 2b of the future.

2006-03-13 16:13:14
53.   Bob Timmermann
I didn't notice anyone bringing this up in the comments, but Odalis Perez had a strong outing against Cuba today. He got the win going 4 2/3 IP giving up 3 hits with 3 Ks and no walks.

You don't have to go 5 to get credit for a win.

2006-03-13 16:13:20
54.   bigcpa
51 Yeah I think we all just got diagnosed with it.

"Asperger syndrome can involve an intense and obsessive level of focus on things of interest."

2006-03-13 16:15:49
55.   natepurcell
You could add drew to that list if he would have stayed healthy, and i would assume you could add even more outfielders who didn't stay healthy.

i could add my grandmother on that list if he wasnt dead and could hit a baseball.

same logic there. of course a ton of players have the ability to hit 30 homeruns in a season. but in reality, its not as common as people think.

2006-03-13 16:17:22
56.   Bob Timmermann
Asperger syndrome is defined in section 299.80 of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) as

1. Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:
1. Marked impairments in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body posture, and gestures to regulate social interaction.
2. Failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level.
3. A lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interest or achievements with other people (e.g.,boring by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people).
4. A lack of social or emotional reciprocity.
2. Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:
1. Encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal in either intensity or focus.
2. Apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals.
3. Stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger flapping or twisting or complex whole-body movements).
4. Persistent preoccupation with parts of objects.
3. The disturbance causes clinically significant impairments in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
4. There is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age two years, communicative phrases used by age three years).
5. There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self-help skills or adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction) and curiosity about the environment in childhood.
6. Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia.

I think most of us are OK.

2006-03-13 16:22:28
57.   Marty
The daughter of a neighbor of a friend of mine has Asperger's
2006-03-13 16:25:00
58.   Jon Weisman
43 - Most famous autistic basketball players:

1) the kid who nailed six three-pointers in a game earlier this month.

2) Thomas ("Shoot the ball, Thomas"), the Carver High peanut from "The White Shadow."

2006-03-13 16:36:57
59.   Giant Hater
Yes Yes!!!....lets keep Guzman at SS...by all means. Why wouldn't we want a 6'6 SS who will crush 30+ HRs every year....a premium at that position right? Could it be those 29 ERRORS he made last year? Noooooo.....we must really want to pay him PREMIUM SALARY because he crushes 30+ HRs at a PREMIUM POSITION-short stop....ya that must be it. Some people.....like we have the luxury of having multiple 30+ HR hitters on our team every year. How about we wait till we have at least more than one 30+ HR hitter till we squabble about were to put someone who might hit HRs...
2006-03-13 16:42:25
60.   Bob Timmermann
58

And we never found out if the kid made the basket in that episode of "White Shadow".

I need closure!

2006-03-13 17:10:06
61.   Jon Weisman
53 - I noticed - but I didn't want to tread on Griddle territory.
2006-03-13 17:11:22
62.   Jon Weisman
Jon Weisman hit two homers yesterday!

http://wsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/031206aab.html

2006-03-13 17:19:04
63.   Bob Timmermann
61

Oddly enough, that didn't dissuade anyone last night from following the Korea-Mexico game here.

2006-03-13 17:19:43
64.   Uncle Miltie
I don't think it really matters how Aybar has hit. Colletti made up his mind when he signed him that Ramon Martinez would make the roster.

.304/.429/.435

Yes that is Repko's line for this spring, and yes he is 2nd on the team in walks with 4!

2006-03-13 17:37:53
65.   D4P
JustAnotherWalkForAybar had more walks last year in 26 games than BROTheR had in 129.
2006-03-13 17:46:04
66.   dsfan
Nate

Where did you get those HR numbers? Interesting breakdown.

2006-03-13 17:46:58
67.   dsfan
Andrew S.,

In a Guzman thread you ran some interesting age-specific splits on Double-A players. I love that kind of stuff -- where do you find it

2006-03-13 17:47:26
68.   Gen3Blue
I guess I'm sorry to see R. Martinez II do well, whatever that means.
Sorry--but I can't help liking a player who can run and throw, like yes--Repko.
Well: its better to have terrible choices to make some years.
Hey--is anyone else uncomfortable that maybe things are going too well this spring??
2006-03-13 17:51:08
69.   dsfan
John's Martinez update is probably spot on. I guess I'm in denial. Unless Ramon Martinez is on PEDs, he's a dead-body, slow-bat guy who should make the team only if someone else gets hurt.

I would take Repko over D. Young as a reserve OF.

2006-03-13 17:56:42
70.   Andrew Shimmin
67- I had hand pulled them from the The Baseball Cube. Searched through each team in the year by year AA league standings. Slow going, but it's free.
2006-03-13 17:57:01
71.   natepurcell
dsfan, i went to espn stats, rearranged it so it showd the players witht he most homeruns to the least. counted up the number of players with 30 homeruns or more :)

there were some blurry lines- like adam dunn and miguel cabrera, players who were OFs last yr but will move to the infield this year. But i counted them as part of the 30+ hr outfield group.

2006-03-13 17:57:15
72.   D4P
There are no conditions under which Lucille II should make the team.

At the same time, however, there are virtually no conditions under which s/he won't.

2006-03-13 18:07:05
73.   Andrew Shimmin
72- Nuclear Holocaust? Bird flu?
2006-03-13 18:08:32
74.   bhsportsguy
I always thought that Choi was basically in a no-win scenario with the WBC, he had to play for Team Korea and he would get no chance to show the Dodgers anything during spring.

That said, I'm not sure what they do with him. He really needs to get a shot to play so a good evaluation can be done. I just got my copy of Baseball Prospectus and I agree with their statement (paraphrasing) that the biggest waste of the Dodger season was wasting Jason Phillip's at bats when we could have found out if Hee Sop Choi was a MLB player.

2006-03-13 18:12:05
75.   bhsportsguy
58 - Somehow my mom got a copy of that script of the White Shadow, where it is today I do not know.

Thomas Carter of course became king of the directing pilots, one of his most famous was Miami Vice.

2006-03-13 18:17:47
76.   dsfan
Happy to see Griddle batted Aybar leadoff today. He drew 69 walks at age 19 in high A and worked the count pretty well in the higher ranks. Lots of good ABs in his September audition. Now he's trying to impress a new manager. I think he's more apt to do so from a lineup spot where working the count is a high priority. I hope Griddle keeps him at leadoff for a few games. I know many see him as a utitility man. I believe this kid can evolve into a pretty good starter -- I like him at 3B -- if developed properly.
2006-03-13 18:19:11
77.   dsfan
70,71

Thanks

2006-03-13 18:23:48
78.   dsfan
74

Agreed.

BP was way off the mark in its LAD overview last year but they nailed that one. The spiting of Choi/Depo in favor of Phillips was despicable. And I say that as a Choi doubter.

2006-03-13 18:32:32
79.   Bob Timmermann
76
The manager's nickname is Grittle. My blog is The Griddle. Just to be clear.

BTW, Choi is not starting tonight for Korea against Willis.

2006-03-13 18:42:51
80.   jasonungar05
I don't think both Robles and Ramon make the team. For what the dodgers need, he is the same guy. I also question if Cesar will really start on the DL
2006-03-13 18:43:48
81.   Steve
Peter Tomarken, RIP.
2006-03-13 18:47:57
82.   Bob Timmermann
So is Peter Tomarken the third person to die after Slobodan Milosevic and Maureen Stapleton.
2006-03-13 18:48:24
83.   dsfan
76

Sorry on the Gridde/Grittle. I'll think of tobacco spittle and never misidentify Grady again.

2006-03-13 18:50:33
84.   Bob Timmermann
83

It's OK. Ironic when you consider how much Little dislikes the WBC.

2006-03-13 18:57:36
85.   D4P
Peter Tomarken? Say it ain't so...

Big Bucks, No Whammies, and STOP!

2006-03-13 19:12:29
86.   xaphor
31 – "anyone heard of KT Tunstall?"

Plays folksy pop music and currently all the rage in Inglaterra. She won a Brit (British version of the Grammys) for best British solo female artist. Personally prefer her American counterparts such as Tanya Donelly or Laura Cantrell.

2006-03-13 19:18:11
87.   Sam DC
DC Update -- Design for the new stadium to be released at 11 am Eastern tomorrow. If you're interested, this pretty cool site -- http://www.jdland.com/dc/ -- will have all the details.

And to be all about me, if you look at the map on that site I linked, my house would be on there, but it's covered up by the inset map of all DC in the upper right. My house would be basically right under the faint tiny reference to Arlington Cemetary.

2006-03-13 19:30:35
88.   Marty
86 Check out a video of her. She uses an interesting looping device that, for me, works really well.

http://www.aprilwinchell.com/

2006-03-13 19:44:47
89.   Sam DC
Somehow just seems cosmically wrong to misspell cemetery. Alas.
2006-03-13 19:47:43
90.   Marty
88 I should add, the video is the top item. Some of the other links are NSFW
2006-03-13 19:49:47
91.   Aug C
if anyone wants to watch USA-Korea live, go to
http://kr.wbc.sports.yahoo.com/sports/wbc/index.html?ac=matchcast&gid=22

the broadcast is in korean.
but better live in korean than three hours delayed in english, no?

2006-03-13 19:53:28
92.   Bob Timmermann
But you will Eric Karros's commentary!
2006-03-13 20:01:16
93.   D4P
You can also go to worldbaseballclassic.com and watch the live broadcast in English. It requires an account with MLB.com.
2006-03-13 20:11:39
94.   Bob Timmermann
You can watch Dontrelle Blass pitch!
2006-03-13 20:47:13
95.   Bob Timmermann
CHOI ALERT!
2006-03-13 20:48:31
96.   Bob Timmermann
3-run homer for Choi.
2006-03-13 20:53:00
97.   Aug C
HEE! SEOP! CHOI!
2006-03-13 20:53:48
98.   Sam DC
What, that's it? Bob shouts 3-Run homer for Choi, and then nothing?
2006-03-13 20:57:42
99.   Steve
Nomar's bust-out spring has us too excited to comment.
2006-03-13 21:00:10
100.   D4P
98
Some of us expressed our elation at The Griddle. Plus, the site seems to be loading pretty slowly tonight.
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2006-03-13 21:04:21
101.   Aug C
Sorry, I want USA to win, but earlier this spring Grady Little seemed to insinuate that Choi's status with the team was in doubt when he was disparaging Choi and other non-Odalis Dodgers' decisions to eschew Dodgertown for the Classic. Don't want to reignite the tired debate, but I am going to be pissed if Big Choi doesn't make the team. And I'm darn happy for the kid for helping his team in something he obviously is passionate about, Grady Little be darned.
2006-03-13 21:05:19
102.   Steve
So who do we trade for Dan Wheeler? I'm thinking Kemp and Orenduff, and if they throw in Chad Harville, maybe we'll give them LaRoche.
2006-03-13 21:07:35
103.   Steve
I have a feeling that Grady Little is going to end up more than darned once all this is through
2006-03-13 21:10:51
104.   D4P
I hereby nominate the "Larry and Irwin mattress commercials on KFWB" for immediate inclusion on The List.
2006-03-13 21:16:32
105.   Steve
Done, particularly because it reminded me to put KFWB on the list too.
2006-03-13 21:17:15
106.   oldbear
Sorry--but I can't help liking a player who can run and throw, like yes--Repko

If this were football, and we were evaluating QB's, I'd agree.

2006-03-13 21:19:56
107.   jpeace
Hee Seop Choi! (just in case this his last great moment in LA)
2006-03-13 21:20:13
108.   Sam DC
Mike Timlin?

Steve, you OK?

. . .

Steve?

2006-03-13 21:21:12
109.   Steve
What happened to Mike Timlin? Please don't tell me we traded for Mike Timlin.
2006-03-13 21:31:25
110.   Sam DC
He just came into this game on the World Stage, that's all.

Meanwhile, that Hee-Seop Choi has a hole in his swing a mile wide and a fathom deep.

2006-03-13 21:32:28
111.   D4P
110
It wasn't so much a hole in his swing as it was swinging at balls 3 and 4. No one could have hit those pitches.
2006-03-13 21:33:44
112.   Steve
I frantically searched the web for several minutes to find the news that we had traded Joel Guzman for Mike Timlin.
2006-03-13 21:34:43
113.   oldbear
Its 7-1. He was probably trying for another 3run HR. Korea has this game in the bag. You'd still like to see him take the walk instead of go out of the zone. But its a blowout so oh well.
2006-03-13 21:38:52
114.   D4P
In fairness to Choi, Hee should have fouled out. Utley dropped his foul popup before Hee struck out.
2006-03-13 21:41:52
115.   Sam DC
112 Oops. I apologize for my vague and not very funny and in the end disconcerting joke.

111, 113 Well, on game day it looked like a long looping slow oh never mind.

Reg -- maybe you should add that hit to your FAQ under the part where people say he gets meaningless home runs in spots that don't matter. This was a close game when hit that shot.

2006-03-13 22:25:37
116.   regfairfield
115 Has anyone actually said that? At least during the home run binge, weren't the home runs the only runs the Dodgers scored?
2006-03-13 22:37:01
117.   Steve
I thought it was pretty funny, but only after I was assured that we did not trade for Mike Timlin.
2006-03-13 22:44:50
118.   Sam DC
116 Hmmm . . . well, I do think I've read people make that argument in the comments here, but I could just be attributing that argument to the horde simply because I don't think it's a very good one.
2006-03-13 22:53:29
119.   Steve
118 -- That's been a fairly common argument. It's kind of ironic because not only do dense people blame Choi instead of the pitching staff for the Cardinal series disaster in May, but he won the only game we stole of the series on a three-run homerun, though aided as it was by the Grabowski Principle.
2006-03-13 23:06:22
120.   trainwreck
Did anyone else cringe when reading today's Dodger Mailbag, after reading that McCourt wants to attach a mall entertainment complex to Dodger Stadium?
2006-03-13 23:11:21
121.   jasonungar05
So now the South Korean coach won't play Choi for the rest of the tourney...
2006-03-14 04:40:56
124.   Sam DC
Huh?
2006-03-14 05:29:11
125.   MLKaplan43
I have to say, I'm surprised that the American umpires allowed Choi's homerun to count.
2006-03-14 06:44:29
126.   oldbear
Hey Jon. I think you need to start banning by IP address. This is the same troll that has ruined other sites that posted in comments 122, 123. And is probably posting under Bluetotheextreme. I figured when this site got advertised on dodgers.com, that you'd get an onslaught of trolls. But hopefully have IP banning software so the site doesnt get cluttered with filth.
2006-03-14 08:03:25
129.   Marty
Nice shout out to Bob from Kevin Roderick on his WBC coverage at the Griddle.
2006-03-14 08:09:08
130.   Jon Weisman
126 - We're on it.
2006-03-14 08:47:21
131.   Sam DC
DC Stadium renderings released. And I pronounce them darn cool.

http://tinyurl.com/edtyv

2006-03-14 08:58:01
132.   Sam DC
131 If tinyurl-impaired, they are up on the front page of washingtonpost.com
2006-03-14 09:47:26
135.   Sam DC
From the Dodgers' house blog: "Ethier has been working with Dodger baserunning instructor Maury Wills on taking a bigger lead at first base. Wills would rather have a runner get picked off at first base with a proper lead rather than get thrown out at second with too short of a lead."

Now, how can it be a "proper lead" if you get picked off at first base?

2006-03-14 09:51:05
136.   regfairfield
135 No such thing as an aggressive mistake, Sam.
2006-03-14 10:23:36
138.   oldbear
I guess Jon is going to have ban your middle school's IP address as well.

What a loser.

2006-03-14 10:26:54
139.   Marty
131 The stadium design does seem very cool Sam. Hopefully, nothing gets lost because of cost overruns. Is this really going to be close to the mall? What is there now?

It looks like I'll be in D.C. for a few days at the end of April. I'd like to try to get over to the site and try to imagine how it will look.

2006-03-14 10:52:01
141.   Daniel Zappala
For the one Viking fan here ... Daunte Culpepper to Miami for a second round pick.
2006-03-14 10:52:44
142.   Jon Weisman
138 - Oldbear, I said earlier I was on this. There was nothing wrong with comment 137 that I can see, and your comment doesn't help things at all.
2006-03-14 11:00:56
143.   Sam DC
139 The site is about a mile or a bit less from the Capitol, a little further from the fun stuff on the mall. If you're interested, the site I linked at 87 has great maps and a whole slew of pictures of the current site, which is mostly industrial wasteland, but also houses the city's historical gay clubs. (The DC version of Chavez Ravine relocations turns on the fact that modern zoning rules apparently make it impossible for those O Street clubs to relocate anywhere in the city.)

Shoot me an email if you like before you come. DC is not at all a food town, but I can tell you a good place to get a burrito. sam.brodsok@comcast.net.

2006-03-14 11:01:14
144.   D4P
140 has the markings of a "copy-and-pasted post from another board, intended to make this board think I'm not a troll and that I'm serious about baseball."
2006-03-14 11:06:05
146.   oldbear
142. He's copying and pasting my comments from another board. He's also using my login name from another board.

Thats trollish behavior.

2006-03-14 11:06:21
147.   Jon Weisman
144 - If that's proven true, then I'll react appropriately.
2006-03-14 11:06:26
148.   Marty
144 Thanks Sam, I'll do that. Most of my meals will be hosted by the conference I'll be at, but I may get to sneak out for one. I love a good burrito :)
2006-03-14 11:06:35
149.   Daniel Zappala
Saw a comment from Grady Little that Aybar may be moved to the outfield, to accommodate him, Robles, and Martinez all making the team. Aybar for CF?
2006-03-02 10:47:33
150.   Ken Arneson
test
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2006-03-14 11:08:16
151.   Jon Weisman
146 - Okay. In the future, deal with me, not with him.
2006-03-14 11:09:25
152.   Marty
A no-power center fielder? Sounds like Dave Roberts.
2006-03-14 11:11:57
153.   D4P
152
Or Kenny Lofton...Or Jason Repko...
2006-03-14 11:14:33
154.   Brian Y
153. Hey Dave Roberts has a lot of power in MLB2005 for Playstation 2! I just finished my first season we went 162-1. Of course I have Teixera, Utley, etc on that team haha.
2006-03-14 11:16:39
155.   Jacob L
I looked at the Nationals' ballpark rendering that Sam posted, and, I've gotta say . . . I think its high time that somebody hired a different architecture firm to design a ballpark. Ever since, Camden, I can't think of a single job that HOK hasn't gotten.

When there's huge money, often public money, invovled, I guees you go with the proven winner, but who's going to come from out of town, or pay a premium to attend games at these parks, when every city has got one. You'd especially think that DC would go in a different direction when Baltimore is within easy driving distance.

Its not that these are bad ballparks, per se, but enough already.

2006-03-14 11:17:00
156.   Brian Y
And moving Aybar to OF is a good idea. Now if he could master SS, 1B, and C he would be the ultimate UT guy. He has no business playing the corners though with his minimal power.

I wonder why Craig Wilson hasnt been discussed? Horrible defense but good pop from a team that sorely needs some added offense. Maybe HSC for Wilson, Tracy would cringe!

2006-03-14 11:19:28
157.   Marty
Didn't Pittsburgh just lock Wilson up for 4 years with some awful contract? Or was that another Wilson?
2006-03-14 11:19:39
158.   Jose Habib
I found this Korean cartoon about the WBC. Can anybody translate it?

http://tinyurl.com/mhnyp

2006-03-14 11:20:59
159.   Jose Habib
Whoops, the translation is actually there, didn't notice it.
2006-03-14 11:21:21
160.   Brian Y
157. That was the no pop bad OBP SS named Jack Wilson.
2006-03-14 11:22:36
161.   natepurcell
For the one Viking fan here ... Daunte Culpepper to Miami for a second round pick.

thats me! nooo, i really sad. the vikings cant seem to do anything right.

and im going to vouch one for oldbear. that bluetotheextremeguy isnt actually here to discuss the dodgers intelluctually.

2006-03-14 11:22:50
162.   Marty
Aah. Nevermind then.
2006-03-14 11:23:43
163.   natepurcell
the pirates traded for sean casey in the middle of the winter so i dont think they will want another left handed first basemen.
2006-03-14 11:26:26
164.   gcrl
145
the vikes did commit to him: a huge contract (10 yr/$102M) with an $8M increase just two years into the deal. then daunte asks for $10M more after missing most of the season with a knee injury.

he didn't perform - he made bad reads, bad decisions, and just didn't play well before his injury this year. this was made the more obvious by brad johnson's performance after daunte went down.

hopefully, he does well in miami, as he is tremendously talented, but speaking for a lot of the viking fans up here in minny: good riddance.

2006-03-14 11:27:33
165.   oldbear
161. Did you expect the Vikings to get more than a 2nd round pick? Culpepper's knee is shredded and he has a very high cap number. I think getting a 2nd rounder was good as they could expect. When the 49'ers traded TO, all they got was a 2nd rounder.
2006-03-14 11:31:55
166.   natepurcell
re 164

re 165

its not how he played last season and its not the injury, its how the new vikings management handled it. the thing is, they did not handle it. they absolutely blew it. when you have the owner saying one thing, and the head coach talking about maybe releasing him, that is not a united front.

it should have never came to this. but they alienated pep so bad that the worse situation arosed.

i am now defending pep. he is a moron asking for more money but this situation could have been diffused and not so blown up like it was.

also, peps salary isnt very high. thats why he wanted to restructure it, it is all filled up with hidden nonreachable incentives. But he does havea 6 mil roster bonus due the 24th that the dolphins will now have to pay. we need a QB of the future!

2006-03-14 11:32:48
167.   natepurcell
edit: i am not defending pep.
2006-03-14 11:33:23
168.   Penarol1916
144. Has the good burrito place in DC recently opened? When I lived in DC the biggest weakness of the area from a food point of view was Mexican, absolutely no decent places at all.
2006-03-14 11:35:15
169.   Andrew Shimmin
140 is copied from another board, but it looks like he's copying himself.

http://www.dodgers.cc/index.php?showtopic=1246&hl=

2006-03-14 11:36:34
170.   Jon Weisman
168 - I seem to recall a half-decent Mexican place on Wisconsin Avenue, up past Glover Park maybe a half-mile to a mile. Can't remember the name - this was 13-14 years ago.
2006-03-14 11:44:19
172.   D4P
169 - See 146
2006-03-14 11:48:14
173.   Penarol1916
170. I don't remember that one. Could it have possibly been Salvadorean?
2006-03-14 11:48:36
174.   Sam DC
170 Guapos, or maybe Cactus Cantina.

This is a writeup of my burrtio place, it's new, yet a dive. http://tinyurl.com/ouu4x

2006-03-14 11:50:22
175.   Jon Weisman
174 - Cactus Cantina sounds more familiar. So long ago, though. It wasn't particularly authentic, I will say, but the food wasn't bad.
2006-03-14 12:02:56
176.   Steve
What's the name of the one by the Cannon HOB? (Not endorsing its quality, just trying to remember its name)
2006-03-14 12:09:09
177.   Penarol1916
175. It can't be Cactus Cantina, the food was among the worst Mexican I've ever had, the only good thing about it was all of the drunk hill staffers.
2006-03-14 12:14:22
178.   Andrew Shimmin
172- I get it now. It's oldbear's other screenname. That's how it was known that he was a troll when he was still posting innocuous non sequiturs. Irritating.
2006-03-14 12:16:27
179.   Steve
That would be saying something, since there's nothing all that good about a drunk Hill staffer.
2006-03-14 12:28:21
180.   capdodger
173 - Most of the central american places are over in columbia heights.
175 - Cactus Cantina is decent, but I miss a good "roach coach" taco or burrito.
2006-03-14 12:36:45
181.   Purple Hippopotamus
I was at Guapos on Wisconsin in Tenleytown last year. There was a shoelace fried in with the chips. The salsa wasn't bad, though.

Alero's on Connecticut in Cleveland Park is okay. But I agree with everyone else about the scant offerings of Mexican food in DC--most places are tex-mex or El Salvadorian; different textures.

2006-03-14 12:38:05
182.   Purple Hippopotamus
Oh yeah. Cactus Cantina has good margaritas!
2006-03-14 12:43:02
183.   das411
So when a comment 150 gets deleted does it remove that "Hide Comments" thing for that group of 50 for everyone else too?
2006-03-14 12:49:30
184.   Ken Arneson
150 just fixed that.
2006-03-14 13:08:35
185.   Steve
I was at Guapos on Wisconsin in Tenleytown last year.

Is that the one right next to the metro?

2006-03-14 13:13:05
186.   Purple Hippopotamus
185
Just off the red line, yeah.
2006-03-14 13:13:30
187.   das411
Thanks Ken, it was just weird to see the post numbers not line up with the # of comments up top. Trolls really do ruin things for everybody!

And this may belong over at Bob's place but one of my Pirates fan friends came into our class today talking about how awesome "that dude on Korea, Hee Soap Choi" is... :)

2006-03-14 13:14:55
188.   Penarol1916
180. There was a fairly good Salvadoran restaurant on Wisconsin that closed in '98 up near the Dancing Crab. When did Alero's open? I don't remember it when I lived there. I'm just wondering what the good burrito place is that Sam was talking about.
2006-03-14 13:16:24
189.   Uncle Miltie
I'm really not liking Grady Little (Grittle?..I'll call him Grits) right now.

He downright lied to Russ Martin. Navarro has bombed in spring training, while Martin has been tearing it up. Navarro is going to be the Dodgers' starting catcher. Grady knew all along that Navarro was going to be the starting catcher. Now comes this quote:
"We'd kind of like to lay eyes on a guy we're kind of thinking about as being one of our starters," Manager Grady Little said Monday before the Dodgers' 7-5 Grapefruit League victory over the Boston Red Sox. "But I guess he's getting his work in."

Translation: You ignored more and went off to the stupid WBC, so Sele is going to take your spot in the starting rotation.

2006-03-14 13:21:18
190.   Purple Hippopotamus
188 - I'm not sure when Alero's opened (I moved to DC in summer of 2004, and Alero's was already there). I've never been to Sam's place. Sounds good, though.
2006-03-14 13:22:34
191.   Telemachos
189 I don't get it. How did Griddle "outright lie" to Martin? He said he hadn't decided who was going to be catcher going into spring training, and that Martin had a shot. How did he "know all along that Navarro was going to be the starting catcher"? How about a couple of dated quotes to back up your claims?
2006-03-14 13:32:45
192.   Penarol1916
189. Who is that quote regarding Uncle Miltie, Seo?
2006-03-14 13:40:21
193.   Uncle Miltie
191- he said Martin had a 50/50 chance of making the team. I've heard great things about Martin's defense and hitting wise, he's destroying Navarro. Why deprive the guy of playing for his country when you know that Navarro is your man?

192- yea that was about Seo. Is Cruz going to lose his starting LF job to Repko too...

2006-03-14 13:41:09
194.   underdog
192 Yeah, that quote was referring to Seo. I don't see what's wrong with what Gr'ittle said there (though I realize the analogy was being made from promises made to Martin if he stayed with the team rather than play in the WBC, vs. now). He's heard from the scouts and coaches on staff who know Seo better that he's a great pitcher, he's looked really solid in the WBC, and of course, Little would rather have had more of a chance to see him in person. Seo? I mean, so?

Regarding Martin, I don't remember the exact quotes either, but I was under the impression that Gr'ittle promised Martin he'd have a shot to make the team, more than he promised a shot to start? Or did he promise a shot to start?

2006-03-14 13:42:25
195.   underdog
I think Cruz is a lock to start when he comes back, from all I've heard. They said tomorrow's minor league game will for the first time this spring feature "all the opening position starters" except Cruz.
2006-03-14 13:42:58
196.   underdog
Oops, meant tomorrow's spring training game, not minor league. Shows you where my head is!
2006-03-14 13:48:01
197.   Uncle Miltie
Please tell me that the D-rays did not have Julio Lugo pitch an inning today. That's what the yahoo box score says...
2006-03-14 14:13:09
198.   Marty
The last time I was in D.C. (2000) a guy in our Bureau, which was on Eye street then, took me to a Peruvian place nearby that was good. I can't remember the name, but they made great Pisco sours.
2006-03-14 14:53:30
199.   Denezin
SamDC, I got very excited when you said you had a good burrito place to try in DC. As far as I could tell, this town is more or less a wasteland for burritos. La Lomita Dos on Penn Ave is OK, and makes up for what it lacks in great food with great owners who are quick to join you in a tequila shot. I'll have to check out Chicken Tortilla, now. The other Hill joint that Steve referenced is Tortilla Coast. Terrible food, but not bad for drinks...

- A fellow Hill denizen

2006-03-14 16:48:30
200.   Sam DC
199 Las Placitas, also on Barracks Row, is my not that great but you can drink shots with the owners place.

Tortilla Coast is right (not that you need me to tell you).

188 Check the link at 174.

We can also send Marty to Five Guys -- got one on the hill now. Sort of like DC's In n Out.

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2006-03-14 17:11:30
201.   Sam DC
200 Never mind, I now recall Marty sniffing his nose a bit at In 'n Out.
2006-03-14 17:15:02
202.   capdodger
188, 199 - I've been meaning to go to Alero's (corner of Ordway and Conn. Ave). It's a block away but I've never been. Eh...
2006-03-15 11:35:53
203.   Vishal
i like five guys.

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