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The Dodger Thoughts T-Shirt Store - Grand Opening
2007-03-19 08:30
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

DT Blue on WhiteDT-WhiteonBLue

DT Blue on White - rear DT-URL-WhiteonBlue

I am pleased to announced that you can now purchase a Dodger Thoughts T-shirt.

Unlike The Best of Dodger Thoughts, there's no big sales pitch coming. If you like the designs, just feel free to head over to The Dodger Thoughts T-Shirt Store. You can get a white shirt with blue design or blue shirt with white design in men's, ladies or youth, short-sleeve, 100-percent cotton. There is also a long-sleeve version of the white shirt.

The main design is on the front; the site URL is on the back. You can click on the images to see them in larger size.

Deadline to order is April 17, 2007. No refunds or exchanges. This is a limited run, though if demand arises later in the season, we might stage a second run. Delivery should come in approximately mid-May.

There are many people I have to thank for making this shirt possible, all of whom volunteered their time and energy without compensation. I was a pretty tough person to design for because of how particular I was about what I wanted - while being inarticulate at describing it. I am very grateful to everyone who participated or counseled me at any stage of the process.

Speaking of the design - it's final. I don't know how many people will like it, but just know that I'm not looking for constructive criticism at this point. If you have a better idea, you're welcome to save it for the next shirt. :)

Otherwise, enjoy ...

The Dodger Thoughts T-Shirt Store

Quick summary of how to purchase:

1) Follow the above link.
2) Choose which T-shirt style you want to purchase.
3) Click on "Add to Shopping Cart."
4) Insert quantity of shirts you want under the size you want. (Design will come with the shirt automatically.)
5) If you want to buy an additional shirt style, repeat steps 2-4.
6) When done choosing shirts, click "Submit shopping cart."
7) After entering your name and address, you will have the opportunity to pay via either Paypal or credit card by clicking the Paypal link.

I'll try to answer any questions as they come. This is a nonprofit endeavor, so thanks in advance for your understanding.

Comments (180)
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2007-03-19 09:10:56
1.   D4P
After entering your name and address, you will have the opportunity to pay via either Paypal or credit card by clicking the Paypal link

No shirt for Andrew

2007-03-19 09:42:20
2.   the OZ
Wow. They really look great. Good job!
2007-03-19 10:07:31
3.   stevesaxarm
Just bought one!

I need 3 more for an NL only 5x5 roto keeper league?
HR, OPS, SB, SLG, R
WHIP, SV, QS, K, HD

5 keepers in 2008

Draft is on Wendesday at 6 pm PCT...

let me know dbartholomew@gmail.com

2007-03-19 10:43:51
4.   StolenMonkey86
This is a sick kind of joke

http://tinyurl.com/2n8jhj

2007-03-19 10:46:12
5.   Marty
I ordered a white long-sleeve and a blue short-sleeve.
2007-03-19 11:10:42
6.   Bob Timmermann
5
Likewise
2007-03-19 11:25:36
7.   uke
John, you need to post a picture of someone modeling it. I would like to see one on. Good lookin' design.
2007-03-19 11:30:10
8.   Jon Weisman
7 - Not possible, unfortunately. You have to order (or not) based on the design. I'll be getting mine same time as everyone else.
2007-03-19 11:31:40
9.   Sam DC
7 Gotta be Danica McKellar.

Meanwhile, even w/o modeling, got me shirts for me and the 6yr old.

2007-03-19 11:41:32
10.   Brendan
I bought a short sleeve white and blue along with a long sleeved white. I will point and yell loudly whenever I see another person at the stadium wearing these shirts so be ready. (except if we are at the trough)

Thanks Jon

2007-03-19 11:43:11
11.   Bob Timmermann
10
Please don't pee on my t-shirt.
2007-03-19 11:45:08
12.   Brendan
11
I'll aim for the shoes, I promise.
2007-03-19 11:55:51
13.   Blue Crew
I bought one. Thanks for doing this.
2007-03-19 12:32:05
14.   Benaiah
I like the Stanford tie in (there is a cast of the thinker at Stanford right?).
2007-03-19 12:40:10
15.   willhite
Bought one for myself and one for my son. Now we'll all be in uniform for the official DT Day at the ballpark.
2007-03-19 12:43:29
16.   Jon Weisman
14 - Yep, we gots ourselves a whole Rodin sculpture garden.

15 - Actually, I'm thinking that while it would be great to see the shirts at the park on a random day, I'm a little weirded out by the sight of 30 of us dressed the same way on DT day.

2007-03-19 12:47:54
17.   willhite
16 - Jon, you sell yourself short. What makes you think it would only be 30 in attendance?

And we wouldn't all be dressed the same. After all, you've got white and blue short sleeves and white long sleeves.

Having said that, if it would really weird you out, I'm sure we could arrange to come in other attire.

2007-03-19 12:48:11
18.   D4P
Pierre had his first strikeout as a Dodger today. He also went 0-4. I guess his choppers didn't have seeing eyes today.
2007-03-19 12:53:41
19.   goblue1
what the heck is happening to Broxton- is that a misprint?
2007-03-19 12:57:49
20.   Gen3Blue
Look's like the Ox had a bit of a rough outing. Also the bats are in a dry period.
2007-03-19 13:08:04
21.   Marty
16 Maybe we could get some official Dodger Thoughts propeller hats too.
2007-03-19 13:09:10
22.   bhsportsguy
Its Spring Training, relievers are now getting ready to throw back to back, so I wouldn't worry about results.

L.A. Times reported today that Grady plans to have only 11 pitchers on the Opening Day roster, my hunch is that the 25 man roster will be:

C: Russell Martin, Mike Lieberthal (2)
IF: Nomar Garciaparra, Jeff Kent, Rafael Furcal, Wilson Betemit, Ramon Martinez, Olmedo Saenz, James Loney (7)
OF: Luis Gonzalez, Juan Pierre, Andre Ethier, Marlon Anderson*, Jason Repko* (5)
P: Jason Schmidt, Derek Lowe, Brad Penny, Randy Wolf, Brett Tomko, Mark Hendrickson, Elmer Dessens, Chad Billingsley, Joe Beimel, Jonathan Broxton, Takeshi Saito (11)

* If he goes on the DL, Wilson Valdez or Larry Bigbie will be the replacement.

Kuo goes down to Vegas to start, Tsao goes to serve as the closer.

http://tinyurl.com/2safna

2007-03-19 13:09:18
23.   MollyKnight
Ordered a blue tee!

Weeee!!!!

2007-03-19 13:14:59
24.   Bob Timmermann
And Brook Lopez announces that he is returning to Stanford for one more year. There is great rejoicing in the Weisman household.
2007-03-19 13:15:38
25.   dianagramr
Ordered a ladies white t-shirt ...

Glad to support the site!

2007-03-19 13:30:02
26.   still bevens
22 Whither Mark Alexander? Is he much of a prospect in spite of his minor league pitcher of the year award?
2007-03-19 13:33:29
27.   regfairfield
26 The Dodgers invited someone named Dario Veras to camp.

They did not invite Mark Alexander.

You do the math.

2007-03-19 13:34:33
28.   bhsportsguy
26 Alexander had some pretty good numbers but Tsao has the stuff to strike out MLB hitters.
2007-03-19 13:37:53
29.   bhsportsguy
27 Actually Mark Alexander was a non-roster invitee but he has not pitched in a Spring Training game, Veras was reassigned to minor league camp, Alexander is probably there too.
2007-03-19 13:47:49
30.   Bob Timmermann
If this is a nonprofit adventure can we see proof of Jon's 501(c)(3) status?
2007-03-19 13:49:54
31.   Jon Weisman
30 - All I know is I can't find any money trail to me.
2007-03-19 13:50:16
32.   Jon Weisman
By the way, I like nonprofit adventure vs. nonprofit venture.
2007-03-19 13:53:50
33.   CanuckDodger
29 -- Not true. Alexander was NOT a non-roster invitee to big league spring training. Alexander's absense from the invitees was even commented on in the press and here at DT.
2007-03-19 13:56:07
34.   LAT
Jon-

You need a business manager. Nonprofit? Why? You deserve to make a few bucks on your hard work. Heck, the site is free isn't that enough? Jon needs representation! Anyone have Scott Boras' number?

2007-03-19 13:57:33
35.   Bob Timmermann
So this isn't a nonprofit adventure or nonprofit venture as much as it is just something that is not designed to make money.

Sort of like owning an NHL or MLS franchise.

2007-03-19 13:58:49
36.   trainwreck
Deciding the color of my t-shirt will be one of those big life decisions.
2007-03-19 14:11:15
37.   Sushirabbit
36 Naw. Just buy one of each like me! I mean its only diaper money, right?
2007-03-19 14:15:39
38.   trainwreck
Don't diapers cost a lot? I have no idea, I am a poor recent college grad.
2007-03-19 14:23:14
39.   twerp
3032 35 A sign seen in a small shop==

"This is a nonprofit organization.

"It wasn't planned that way, but that's the way it is."

2007-03-19 14:32:50
40.   Jon Weisman
In case anyone's really interested, I tried selling the DT book at a profit, but that didn't go so well. When I saw the prices for the shirts, I decided that it would be fine just to sell them at cost. Of course, people are still welcome to click on the "Support Dodger Thoughts" button if they are so moved.

In other news, a 21-year strike against hearing the song "Sussudio" ended today at the cost of a Quizno's honey bourbon chicken sub.

Today's chips: Miss Vickie's Lime & Black Pepper. Tasty.

2007-03-19 14:32:58
41.   twerp
IIRC, the rap on Alexander is that his stuff supposedly isn't good enough to get ML hitters out consistently...?

If he doesn't figure in Dodger plans--no matter why--would it not be a good time for an astute GM to try to trade the minor league pitcher of the year?

After all, it's been rumored that some GMs are not as wise and skilled as others.

2007-03-19 14:35:24
42.   Gen3Blue
Poor Brox, he only faced five hitters and was charged with five runs. He gave up no hit harder than a single. That must be some record for efficiency. Of, course, he had the misfortune of Elmer apparently following hin with 2 hits. Oh-well.
2007-03-19 14:39:44
43.   ToyCannon
I know a few "non-profit" organizations that make plenty of money for the employee's who started the "non-profit". Board of Directors decide salaries and the salaries can be very hefty. It is a nice little deal. As I understand it, all the after school programs are non-profit. Takes a while to get there but it is worth the effort.
2007-03-19 14:56:08
44.   Greg S
40 I like the Jalapeño ones. Your bringing that up made me google them which lead to finding out that they are owned by Frito Lay. So there is no nice old lady cooking up chips in her kitchen. Disappointing.
2007-03-19 15:04:31
45.   Bob Timmermann
Theres these chips thats been on my mind
All the time, sussudio oh oh
Now they dont even know my name
But I think they likes me just the same
Sussudio oh oh

Oh if they called me Id be there
Id come running anywhere
There all I need, all my life
I feel so good if I just say the word
Sussudio, just say the word
Oh sussudio

2007-03-19 15:13:57
46.   Andrew Shimmin
40- It wasn't worth it.

I used to have a barber whom I loved. Old guy, always sang along with the opera music he played in his shop. Then he sold the location, but stayed on cutting hair. I was going to keep going, but the first time I did, they were playing what was billed as my favorite hits of the 80s, 90s, and today! I never went back.

2007-03-19 15:14:13
47.   Daniel Zappala
Geez, you guys are making me worried with all this talk about chips. Not very healthy. Maybe we can prevail upon DT readers to put down the chips and pick up some fruit instead. It's pretty easy to take along to work. Most require little (a banana or an orange) to no preparation (an apple) before you start to eat. You should be having at least one serving per meal. And no, the tomatoes on your sandwich don't count as a full serving.

Thank you, now back to Phil Collins.

2007-03-19 15:15:27
48.   Blue Crew
Please remind me of the date for the DT gameday. Thanks!
2007-03-19 15:16:53
49.   Jon Weisman
47 - I know I shouldn't indulge. I try to be good, but I falter.

"It's pretty easy to take along to work."

If you've been to the market recently.

2007-03-19 15:17:07
50.   Jon Weisman
48 - July 21 - still very tentative.
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2007-03-19 15:17:32
51.   Jacob L
I hate Quiznos almost as much as I hate Sussudio.
2007-03-19 15:23:15
52.   Daniel Zappala
49 This thing you call a market -- it is not where you buy fruit. You get it off the tree from your backyard or your local farmer's roadside stand.
2007-03-19 15:25:15
53.   Bob Timmermann
I was told not to go under the apple tree with anyone who was not one of the Andrews sisters.

So I haven't.

Did you know that during World War II, Andrews Sisters song were given the force of law?

2007-03-19 15:30:15
54.   twerp
http://tinyurl.com/2kf793

On Kenny Lofton. First 3 paragraphs==

"SURPRISE, Ariz. -- Kenny Lofton belongs in another era, one where bunting, basestealing and getting on base were far more important and a higher priority was placed on manufacturing runs.

"He belonged in the 1960s and '70s with Lou Brock and Maury Wills or in the 1980s with Rickey Henderson, Vince Coleman and Tim Raines, when the great leadoff hitters were still considered premium players.

"Even among those pantheons of the basepaths, Lofton would have stood out with his superb blend of offense and defensive prowess. He was a player who not only led the league five times in stolen bases, but also won four Gold Gloves because he could steal hits in center field with the same ease in which he could swipe bases."

Other tidbits===

"They don't look (now) at speed and the small guys as much as the big guys who hit the home runs," Lofton said. "Guys who build themselves up to hit home runs, that's who everybody wants. The Hall of Fame is for home run hitters and starting pitchers."

"Lofton's best years are obviously behind him, but the Rangers are betting there is enough there to run down balls in CF and provide a different dimension to an offense that has long relied on pure power."

Be interesting to get the Rangers' take on his running down balls in CF after a couple months...

 

2007-03-19 15:30:23
55.   still bevens
47 I used to eat kettle chips all the time until I looked at the back of the bag and almost passed out. These days I bring my sandwich, some carrots and an apple to work. Its a good system in spite of the fact that I can barely make it until 500 because Im hungry again.
2007-03-19 15:31:56
56.   trainwreck
52
Fruit has too much sugar. Instead, everyone should carry some broccoli in their pockets.
2007-03-19 15:32:53
57.   Hythloday
52 That is why I keep trying to find a bacon tree. I think if it grew on a tree it might be kosher too.
2007-03-19 15:36:25
58.   Jon Weisman
52 - That's the kind of talk that'll just send me back to the chip rack.

There is a lemon tree in my yard, though, so I guess I could have had that with my sub.

2007-03-19 15:38:00
59.   Greg S
I actually started having those nasty baked Lays chips instead of the tasty Ms. Vickies. Probably just as bad for me but at least I can fool myself into feeling better and that's really what lifes all about.
Fruit has none of the consistency of food made by large corpoations. Trees have terrible quality control.
2007-03-19 15:44:57
60.   Daniel Zappala
58 I can grant you a special exemption to visit your local Albertsons or Safeway if that's what it would take.
2007-03-19 16:02:26
61.   Bob Timmermann
When I was just a lad of ten, my father said to me,
Come here and learn a lesson from the lovely lemon tree.
Don't put your faith in love, my boy, my father said to me,
I fear you'll find that love is like the lovely lemon tree.

Lemon tree very pretty and the lemon flower is sweet
But the fruit of the poor lemon is impossible to eat.
Lemon tree very pretty and the lemon flower is sweet
But the fruit of the poor lemon is impossible to eat.

2007-03-19 16:07:15
62.   bhsportsguy
I grew up with an avocado tree in my backyard, I was shocked when I saw how much someone would pay for something that all I had to do was battle squirels to get.
2007-03-19 16:14:46
63.   Bob Timmermann
There are no famous songs about avocado trees.
2007-03-19 16:24:07
64.   Bumsrap
For those that grow watermellon, have an old dog, children in their back yards....

"How old do you think I am," he said?
I said, well, I didn't know.
He said, "I turned 65 about 11 months ago."

I was sittin' in Miami, pouring blended whiskey down
When this old gray gentleman was cleaning up the lounge.

There wasn't anyone around, except this old man and me.
The guy who ran the bar was watching Ironside on TV.
Uninvited, he sat down and opened up his mind
On old dogs and children and watermelon wine.

"Ever had a drink of watermelon wine," he asked.
He told me all about it, though I didn't answer back.
"Ain't but three things in this world that's worth a solitary dime,
But old dogs and children and watermelon wine."

He said, "Women think about themselves, when men-folk ain't around.
And friends are hard to find when they discover that you're down."
He said, "I tried it all when I was young and in my natural prime,
Now it's old dogs and children and watermelon wine."

"Old dogs care about you even when you make mistakes.
God bless little children while they're still to young to hate."
When he moved away I found my pen and copied down that line
About old dogs and children and watermelon wine.

I had to catch a plane up to Atlanta that next day.
As I left for my room I saw him picking up my change.
That night I dreamed in peaceful sleep of shady summertime,
Of old dogs and children and watermelon wine.

2007-03-19 16:24:16
65.   Jon Weisman
But they are connected by Trinis. Trini Lopez sang Lemon Tree and actress Trini Alvarado sounds like Trini Avocado.
2007-03-19 16:27:02
66.   Bob Timmermann
The Holy Trini-ty?
2007-03-19 16:46:40
67.   Andrew Shimmin
Bob's most famous patron sang an avocado song.

Avocado,
What makes you think you're so holy?
You're gonna be guacamole before too long.

Oh, you're a green one,
You know that you're out of season.
You'd better let somebody eat you,
Let somebody eat you.
Ya better let somebody eat you
Before it's too late.

2007-03-19 16:48:56
68.   underdog
This is odd. Anyone see this on FoxSports? (which came via YahooSports mlb rumors...)

"The Colorado Rockies are trying to upgrade the back of their rotation even as they're shopping right-hander Byung-Hyun Kim.

The Florida Marlins and Los Angeles Dodgers are interested in Kim as a reliever while the Oakland A's are pursuing him as a starter.

The Rockies like Dodgers lefty Mark Hendrickson, and they're in a flexible position with righty Josh Fogg; they could release Fogg in spring training and pay one-fourth of his salary ($906,000)."

Trading Hendy would be cool, even (or because it's) a division rival, but why would we want Kim?

2007-03-19 16:53:11
69.   Jon Weisman
68 - I think the answers are 1) the idea would be just to get rid of Hendrickson and 2) it's just a rumor, like any other rumor.
2007-03-19 17:04:01
70.   Greg Brock
We wouldn't want Kim. However:

Dodgers trade Hendrickson for Disco Duck Album.
Dodger fans approve...

Oh, and the shirts are outstanding. Imona git me a couple.

2007-03-19 17:51:16
71.   Bumsrap
I assume that D4P is printed on the bottom of the back where it would be tucked in, hidden, and kept warm.
2007-03-19 17:51:33
72.   Bob Timmermann
My most famous patron was either Samantha Mathis, Kevin Tighe, or Justine Bateman.

Richard Edson is another candidate.

John Dean III?

2007-03-19 17:55:34
73.   Bumsrap
The Nats need to trade quality for quantity by offering Paterson for Tomko, Hendrickson, Houlton, and Penny.
2007-03-19 18:02:35
74.   Black and Blue
Kia ora all, first post. Been lurking for a long time and wanted it to be more constructive than this but, oh well. Jon, any chance of getting a T shirt shipped overseas, to um, New Zealand? Looks unlikely from the store site.

Needless to say, wonderful site Jon, and thanks all for keeping me so up-to-date with everything Dodger related (and other stuff).

2007-03-19 18:14:33
75.   underdog
Yep, a rumor, and probably a fairly lame one at that in retrospect. But I was really trying to see even if Kim would be somebody who would fit a need for LA and don't see it.

74 Wow, New Zealand! Greetings. Are you American, or a Kiwi who happens to dig baseball/the Dodgers? My girlfriend raved about NZ after she went there a few years ago.

2007-03-19 18:17:36
76.   Andrew Shimmin
72- Your "weird"-est patron, then. Am I misremembering this story? I knew two of those names immediately, and a third (Vito from Do the Right Thing!), after consulting IMDB. Of all of them, I think I'd still slot Mr. Al as your famousest.
2007-03-19 18:18:29
77.   Greg Brock
74 If the Black and Blue is a play on the Dodgers and the All Blacks that's wicked good.

If it isn't you can pretend it is and take a bow anyway!

2007-03-19 18:28:20
78.   Marty
I have a lemon tree, an almond tree a fig tree, and two peach trees in my backyard. The peaches are amazing, but only last a month and a half, The almonds all go to the squirrels. The figs are delicious but the it's a pitched battle between me and the squirrels. The lemons I give away.
2007-03-19 18:34:12
79.   Black and Blue
75 Kiwi who loves baseball and the Dodgers. Tough to keep up down here though which is why I appreciate this site (and Gameday) so much. Have seen only 4 games at DS - in 1992 of all years! But saw 3 wins out of 4. Only home run I've seen was hit by John Smoltz. I'm sure someone will track that down on Retrosheet.

And yes, NZ is great - you should all visit.

77 Not so much the All Blacks (not a big rugby fan - sacrilege I know for a Kiwi to say that), as the NZ black track singlets as worn by Peter Snell, John Walker, etc.

2007-03-19 18:41:57
80.   Andrew Shimmin
4-18-1992; Smoltz off of Bulldog. Which is weird, because if you saw three wins, in four games in 1992, that should make you the best lucky charm on earth.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN199204180.shtml

2007-03-19 18:59:30
81.   Bob Timmermann
My favorite memory of the Dodgers from 1992:
2007-03-19 19:03:30
82.   trainwreck
79
I am staring up at a poster of Once Were Warriors in my room. I would love to go to New Zealand.
2007-03-19 19:18:06
83.   Black and Blue
81 Well there was the Bob Ojeda shutout on 20th April. When you've only been to DS 4 times you take what you can get...

82 Great movie. NZers worry that everyone else thinks we're all like that, which of course you don't, but we worry anyway.

2007-03-19 19:31:15
84.   D4P
I have a couple of good friends from Wellington. I find it kind of funny that they say

toe-mah-toe

and

poe-tay-toe

You'd think these should always rhyme, one way or the other...

2007-03-19 19:31:42
85.   trainwreck
My friend was listening to Dodger Talk and apparently Tomko will indeed be 5th starter.
2007-03-19 19:33:49
86.   Bob Timmermann
I thought all NZers lived in small communities where the oldest male children of the community shirked responsibility after a traumatic death in their family and instead their little sisters ask to take a leadership role, but are turned down by a grandfather who doesn't think girls can lead and then the girl earns everyone's respect by saving a whale.

I also picture New Zealand as being full of uptight immigrants from England who have loveless marriages with mute women with a weird daughter who likes to dance around wearing wings and then get angry and chop off one of their fingers and send it off to Harvey Keitel.

I figure New Zealand is like one of those two.

2007-03-19 19:34:52
87.   D4P
Interesting: ESPN is finally running a story about steroids in football, and how people generally don't care.
2007-03-19 19:41:59
88.   El Lay Dave
40 But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is "Sussudio," a great, great song, a personal favorite.
2007-03-19 19:45:10
89.   Andrew Shimmin
Phil Collins works best within the confines of prison torture, or proving to children that their parents' musical taste really is as bad as they think.
2007-03-19 19:46:28
90.   Andrew Shimmin
The only part of American Psycho that was at all appealing was how much the title character dug Phil Collins and Huey Lewis. That rang true.
2007-03-19 19:50:28
91.   D4P
Good Phil Collins/Genesis songs:

1. Land of Confusion
2. I Can't Dance

2007-03-19 20:04:06
92.   Andrew Shimmin
88- And I'm an idiot. That's a quote from the movie, isn't it? Sneaky.
2007-03-19 20:06:24
93.   El Lay Dave
85 I will willingly listen to Phil Collins and Phil Collins-led Genesis albums continuously for a week if Grady will refuse to put Tomko in his rotation. Or an infinite loop of his version of "You Can't Hurry Love", whatever DT would consider more tortuous.
2007-03-19 20:07:37
94.   trainwreck
Philip Bailey and Phil Collins-Easy Lover

Phil Collins- In the Air Tonight
Another Day in Paradise is alright

2007-03-19 20:10:39
95.   Greg Brock
88 It's hard to choose a favorite among so many great tracks, but "The Greatest Love of All" is one of the best, most powerful songs ever written about self-preservation, dignity. Its universal message crosses all boundaries and instills one with the hope that it's not too late to better ourselves. Since, El Lay Dave, it's impossible in this world we live in to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves. It's an important message, crucial really. And it's beautifully stated on the album.

I actually really like that movie.

2007-03-19 20:12:11
96.   trainwreck
I love American Psycho.
2007-03-19 20:15:13
97.   D4P
96
Did you see that Zuffa has allegedly purchased Pride? Kinda sad. I knew it was inevitable, but still...
2007-03-19 20:17:30
98.   trainwreck
Been hearing those rumors for so long, I will not believe a thing till it is official.
2007-03-19 20:18:10
99.   Jon Weisman
I used to be a huge Genesis and Phil Collins fan. Huge. And then repeated exposure to Sussudio killed it in me.
2007-03-19 20:18:59
100.   Andrew Shimmin
American Psycho and mixed martial arts. Trainwreck just shot up the Most Likely DTer To Do Federal Time charts.
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2007-03-19 20:23:23
101.   trainwreck
Does the social commentary about 80's yuppies sting too much?
2007-03-19 20:24:19
102.   El Lay Dave
My buddies and I used to listen to "In The Air Tonight" on a car 8-track REALLY LOUD. I can actually still listen to it. At the time, we really like the thunderous quality of the drums being introduced about 2/3 of the way in. At some point Phil and Genesis all became very beige, after more colorful beginnings.
2007-03-19 20:30:21
103.   El Lay Dave
101 American Psycho is a provocative, but flawed and dated film. By its release year (2000), was anyone even thinking about yuppies anymore? I don't think yuppies were anywhere near as pervasive as some media would have you think. Did they really exist outside a few metropolitan centers, e.g. Manhattan, "Hollywood"? I think I'm more fascinated that the direction and screenplay adaptation were done by women.
2007-03-19 20:30:28
104.   Andrew Shimmin
101- I wasn't a yuppie in the 80's. Or at any other time. The movie wasn't funny. Dark comedies can't be darker than they are funny, or they stop being dark comedies and start being hooker smiting fantasies.
2007-03-19 20:34:25
105.   El Lay Dave
I actually sat and watched it on DVD with my wife and my daughter (age 17), because daughter had an extra-credit assignment for Shakespeare class along the lines of "compare and contrast American Psycho (or Patrick Bateman) and Richard III". Nice family fare!
2007-03-19 20:37:39
106.   dzzrtRatt
100 Uh, Andrew? That would be me.

Genesis. Phil Collins. How did we ever survive this? A college roommate I lived with for about two years loved Genesis. Uhhhhhh.

(I did like some of Peter Gabriel's solo albums, however. He was terrible in Genesis, but okay doing songs like "Modern Love" and "Biko.")

2007-03-19 20:40:56
107.   D4P
Uh, Andrew? That would be me

We don't really like to joke about that. We especially avoid Office Space jokes.

2007-03-19 20:45:16
108.   trainwreck
104
I must admit, that is the first time I have heard of someone referring to American Psycho as a comedy.

Do all the anti-MMA people watch boxing? I know Brock does.

2007-03-19 20:50:19
109.   Dodgers49
Top prospects for 2007: Nos. 11-20

14. Clayton Kershaw, LHP, Dodgers
Age: 19
Acquired: 1st round, 2006, Highland Park HS (Dallas)
After signing, Kershaw made fools of Gulf Coast League hitters (37 innings, 1.95 ERA, 54 strikeouts, five walks, zero homers allowed). He has command of three pitches, and he's got excellent control, particularly for a hard-throwing lefty still in his teens. As well, his poise on the mound belies his young age. Barring injury (always a possibility with young arms), he's a future ace.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6586930

2007-03-19 20:50:54
110.   Bob Timmermann
106

Stop showing off!

Or else I'm going to go and get charged under the RICO Act just to gain some credibility around here.

2007-03-19 20:52:53
111.   Andrew Shimmin
See? There's some gallows humor. Harron should have brought in dzzrtRatt as a script doctor
2007-03-19 20:56:46
112.   underdog
108 Really? I remember reading reviews that tagged it as a (very) dark comedy. Sick and twisted, and there's the grotesque violence, but there is a dark humor bent to the whole thing - both the film and the book. A satire of 80s yuppiedom gone horribly awry.
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Btw, the Giants may be going solar at AT&T Park, but apparently the Dodgers' affiliate in Michigan, the Great Lake Loons, were first. Green Loons, who'dathunkit.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_5474661

2007-03-19 20:58:19
113.   still bevens
Some possible outrage for all the people at DT (via Rotoworld):

Dodgers manager Grady Little made it sound like he wants James Loney getting regular at-bats in the minors at the start of the year.

"We have to consider the number of at-bats we'd get James," Little said. "We don't want to slow him down and have him go backward and then something happens here and he has to jump in. He needs to be ready."

He is ready. It's just that the Dodgers had to block him with Nomar Garciaparra and Luis Gonzalez anyway. If Loney is sent down, the Dodgers may instead keep light-hitting infielder Wilson Valdez.

2007-03-19 20:58:23
114.   trainwreck
From new Gurnick article it sounds like Loney is headed to AA, so we can keep Valdez and Bigbie.

Why is it so imperative we keep Valdez and Bigbie? Does anyone really care if we lose them?

2007-03-19 20:59:37
115.   trainwreck
Beaten once again.
2007-03-19 21:01:45
116.   trainwreck
112
Well I think it has some funny parts, but I figured it was just because I am a horrible person.
2007-03-19 21:03:54
117.   underdog
114 AA?? You mean AAA right?

I don't know about Valdez - I'm not even convinced the Dodgers would be too upset if they lost either one of them, but it's possible they're trying to play up Valdez to dangle him in a trade (or I could be imagining that, but that's my theory and I'm sticking to it by gum!) If Repko's healthy enough to start the season though, I think that may also change some of the arrangements.

2007-03-19 21:05:57
118.   trainwreck
Yeah, I meant AAA.
2007-03-19 21:07:03
119.   Greg Brock
This ST has turning into every bit the roster nightmare I thought it would. No Kemp, Loney, or Kuo. Billingsley in the bullpen, Tomdrickson on the bump as the 5 starter. Larry fortheloveofgod Bigbie and Wilson you'rekiddingme Valdez.

Gurnick just needs to tell me that Gio Carrara has signed and will be our swing guy in the pen.

2007-03-19 21:08:11
120.   Bob Timmermann
Big ... bie ... Big ... bie ...
2007-03-19 21:08:21
121.   underdog
118 Whew! Oh wait, I'm still upset about the possibility Loney will be sent down. (Though I do see the logic behind wanting him to get consistent at bats. But the thought that he'd lose a gig to Wilson Valdez or Bigbie would make me scratch my head a bit.)
2007-03-19 21:09:07
122.   Bob Timmermann
The distaff side of the Pac-10 is not faring well tonight. The Cardinal and Sun Devils look to be going down to defeat. And they both are playing home games.
2007-03-19 21:09:09
123.   trainwreck
At least we have not traded for Reggie Sanders...

Yet.

2007-03-19 21:10:18
124.   underdog
Maybe good to spend less time worrying about how the roster looks in the next two weeks and more about what it will look like in two to three months. That's when things'll shape out, and when I'll officially decide whether to hike up my undies in a huff, or get my undies in a bunch, or, well, do something angrily with my undies.
2007-03-19 21:12:15
125.   trainwreck
Who's got your undies underdog?
2007-03-19 21:12:24
126.   Greg Brock
Underdog's undie displacement level is at DefCon 4.
2007-03-19 21:13:31
127.   Greg Brock
125 How did I not think of that?

Undies, Dude. THE WHITES.

2007-03-19 21:14:45
128.   El Lay Dave
Every monologue in American Psycho about popular music is somewhere between pretty darn funny and outright hilarious. The narcissistic posing in the mirror during the sex scene caused me to burst into laughter. Most of the murders - not too funny.
2007-03-19 21:15:57
129.   Bob Timmermann
Your mission is to proceed up to Greg Brock in a Navy patrol boat. Pick up his path at Nu Mung Ba, follow it and learn what you can along the way. When you find Greg Brock, infiltrate his clothes by whatever means available and terminate his undies.
2007-03-19 21:16:58
130.   Andrew Shimmin
D4P's next car.

http://www.gizmag.com/go/7000/

2007-03-19 21:17:12
131.   El Lay Dave
95 I had to learn some basic guitar accompaniment for "The Greatest Love Of All" and sing it with a group once. Fortunately, this was when it only existed as a George Benson song in "The Greatest", so it didn't seem so, so, so, overblown and overexposed.
2007-03-19 21:18:06
132.   Greg Brock
129 Colonel Kurtz...Personal hero.

Terminate the Colonel's undies...With extreme prejudice.

2007-03-19 21:20:10
133.   El Lay Dave
117 If we DFAed Valdez, why would anyone claim him? Once he passes through waivers, he can go to Vegas and keep Abreu's spot warm.
2007-03-19 21:20:29
134.   Greg Brock
130 That magazine name has a word misinterpretation factor, or "Dido Factor" of 9.3

Double take there for a second.

2007-03-19 21:21:30
135.   underdog
I actually do own a pair of boxers with underdog on them by the way, in case anyone was wondering. My girlfriend bought them for me awhile back. They are the official "Sign I Absolutely Have to Do Laundry" when they are worn.

No tighty whities, however. This is all in the too much information category. At any rate, I will warn you all when the Dodgers season has my underwear situation past DefCon 4.

2007-03-19 21:21:34
136.   Bob Timmermann
132
Sir, I am unaware of any such activity or operation - nor would I be disposed to discuss such an operation if it did in fact exist, sir.
2007-03-19 21:21:59
137.   D4P
D4P's next car

I bet Bob will beat me to it. He's rich.

2007-03-19 21:23:02
138.   underdog
132 Funny, "the horror... the horror..." was also what my girlfriend said recently when viewing my laundry pile.

133 I think the thought is that somebody would claim him, somebody needing infield depth, but there's only one way to find out.

2007-03-19 21:23:24
139.   El Lay Dave
132 My first experience with that movie was walking into a room where someone was watching it and there was about 30 minutes or so left....
2007-03-19 21:23:24
140.   El Lay Dave
132 My first experience with that movie was walking into a room where someone was watching it and there was about 30 minutes or so left....
2007-03-19 21:31:03
141.   Greg Brock
We went back there and they had come and hacked off every prospect. There they were in a pile. A pile of little prospects, all headed for Las Vegas. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the silliness of Ned..

/Kurtz

2007-03-19 21:32:20
142.   D4P
Speaking of Dido: she supposedly has a new album coming out this year
2007-03-19 21:36:05
143.   Bob Timmermann
I continue my rant against the New York Times.

Here is a headline on their website:

Communist Party USA Gives Its History to N.Y.U.

2007-03-19 21:59:35
144.   Greg Brock
Man, taking another look at those DT shirts, they are great. If they came in baseball undershirt (white shirt, blue sleeves), they might be the most perfect thing since fluffernutter sandwiches. Instead, they are only 99.9% awesome.

My Dad fears the mighty internets, but I may have to get him one anyway. He can be a DT poseur.

2007-03-19 22:16:57
145.   Andrew Shimmin
If your dad's afraid of the internet now, imagine what he'll think when Brendan starts yelling and pointing at him.
2007-03-19 22:26:55
146.   Greg Brock
145 A bunch of students directed me to a compilation of teacher clips on YouTube. The internet terrifies me as well.

And kids wonder why cellphones in the class are an offense punishable by death, or worse...Saturday Detention. If I see your cellphone, the Dean owns it until Mommy picks it up, in person, during school hours. Make the parents suffer, and all is great.

2007-03-19 22:28:34
147.   trainwreck
I had a TA at SB that made any student who gets a phone call stand up and perform a song.
2007-03-19 22:37:29
148.   underdog
Joel G update via St Petersburg Times:
"The Rays reduced their spring roster to 41 by optioning INF Joel Guzman to Triple-A Durham. Guzman, the one-time top prospect acquired in July from the Dodgers, impressed the Rays this spring with his defense at third (though he hit just .138) and will play there for the Bulls."

The Rays, btw, are 3 and 16 so far this spring. Good thing they don't count, but their manager is realizing some momentum to start season might be good.

2007-03-19 22:42:06
149.   D4P
I'm partly hoping Choi ends up in Durham too. If so, I'll go to a game and try to get some photos of all the former Dodgers.
2007-03-19 22:52:15
150.   JoeyP
I said this three or four weeks ago.
James Loney currently is a spare part.
Trade him now before he loses his value.

Players that repeat minor league levels lose their value rapidly IMO.

Kemp/LaRoche I can at least understand starting them in Vegas.

But Loney hit like 400 last year at Vegas. Putting him there again in order to keep Valdez on the team, is idiocy of large proportions.

My thinking is that at least as long as Loney is on the MLB roster, and is getting spot starts, he doesnt lose much value.

Putting him back in AAA, especially if he gets off to a rough start, does no one any good.

I could care less what the roster looks like in 2-3 months. The gams in April mean just as much as those in July.

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2007-03-19 22:56:32
151.   trainwreck
I doubt other teams will see Loney's value decrease because of the Dodgers stupidity.
2007-03-19 22:59:48
152.   JoeyP
Well, there's still lots of teams ran with old school baseball guys that probably might think like that.

Granted, the Dodgers are stupid, but so are 20 or so other teams.

2007-03-19 23:04:22
153.   LAT
102 Wasn't there some story that Phil Collins witnessed another kid drowning when he was a boy and that's what "In The Air Tonight" was about?

Or is this just another urban legend brought to us by the guy whose ex-girlfriend's friend was a nurse in the ER when Richard Gere checked in?

2007-03-19 23:09:49
154.   trainwreck
Years later, Collins commented on the legends about the song in a BBC World Service interview:

" I don't know what this song is about. When I was writing this I was going through a divorce. And the only thing I can say about it is that it's obviously in anger. It's the angry side, or the bitter side of a separation. So what makes it even more comical is when I hear these stories which started many years ago, particularly in America, of someone come up to me and say, 'Did you really see someone drowning?' I said, 'No, wrong'. And then every time I go back to America the story gets Chinese whispers, it gets more and more elaborate. It's so frustrating, 'cos this is one song out of all the songs probably that I've ever written that I really don't know what it's about, you know.

2007-03-19 23:15:12
155.   LAT
154
It's so frustrating, 'cos this is one song out of all the songs probably that I've ever written that I really don't know what it's about, you know.

Are we to take from that that he actually knows what Sussudio is about?

2007-03-19 23:18:14
156.   Greg Brock
"Chinese whispers" can't possibly be an acceptable term anymore. Wow.

Then again, I heard Phil Collins once gave somebody a really nice present, and then took it back. You know what that makes him...

2007-03-19 23:20:15
157.   D4P
You know what that makes him...

I believe the PC term these days is "Native American giver"

2007-03-19 23:34:27
158.   Greg Brock
Actually, I believe the proper term is "First Nations" now. American indigenous people have adopted the Canadian term for, well, indigenous people. I think "First Nations" sounds really cool.

As far as I know, I'm still a cracker.

2007-03-19 23:36:26
159.   trainwreck
I am a mutt.
2007-03-19 23:51:55
160.   Greg Brock
Interesting...According to a 1996 survey listed on Wikipedia (yup, I know, zero reliability), most indigenous people preferred being identified as "American Indian" over "Native American" by 49% to 37%.

That was eleven years ago. I wonder if that still holds true. And, more importantly, does it have any effect on the value of my Maria Pot...

2007-03-20 00:07:56
161.   CanuckDodger
150 -- I don't think the overwhelming majority of us give a hoot about Loney's "trade value," and whether or not it is being decreased, since we don't want Loney traded at all, and want to see Loney take over 1B when Nomar inevitably gets hurt.

JoeyP, on the other hand, has ALWAYS wanted to get rid of Loney, and the longer Loney is in the organization, the more he has to worry about Loney eventually planting himself at 1B in Dodger Stadium for a decade.

2007-03-20 00:22:19
162.   gpellamjr
153 My mother was a nurse at that very hospital. Western Medical Center in Santa Ana. She wasn't there at the time, but a nurse who was told my mother that, while he did go in there for something embarassing, it wasn't what people think it was.

Hey Bob, you have to wonder why it wasn't C.P.U.S.A. Goes to N.Y.U. At least it wasn't R.C.P.U.S.A., or C.P.U.S.A.M.L.

2007-03-20 00:27:58
163.   trainwreck
162
So it was actually a guinea pig?
2007-03-20 00:31:36
164.   gpellamjr
162 Even if the other nurse had told my mother what it was (and I don't think she did), my mother would never have told me. Her parenting philosophy was to keep her children as in the dark and as confused as was possible.
2007-03-20 05:06:14
165.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 164

Either that, or her medical ethics should have prevented her from telling you. I suppose it isn't surprising, knowing human nature and all, but it's disappointing how much confidential medical and legal information, or what passes for information, gets leaked to the press. That was certainly an uncomfortable aspect of much of the information relating to Bonds, which wasn't supposed to be in the public view, and I say that as someone who believes Bond was indeed an abuser of steroids.

WWSH

2007-03-20 06:05:10
166.   Andrew Shimmin
This year, give that special someone a worse birthday present than he can possibly imagine:

http://tinyurl.com/2kpnak

2007-03-20 06:27:05
167.   Charenton
143.

Obviously Judith Miller demonstrated that the NYT is NOT a left wing paper…
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Which PParty has been involved in more activities that would merit the attention of the "House Committee of UnAmerican Activities"if indeed it still existed?

CPA or the GOP ?

Need the debate even go forward(?), after the last 4 years, the answer is patently obvious…
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I didn't intiate this "illegal" discussion…
It was one of the DT founding fathers…
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Now back to Juan Pierre's ST batting average…and Wilson Valdez replacing James Loney(¿!what!?) on the Dodger roster of 25

2007-03-20 06:37:41
168.   Andrew Shimmin
Bob's comment was about the NYT's punctuation of acronyms, not politics. Bob's politics are clean. Brock's are suspect. Steve's are reprehensible.
2007-03-20 07:44:37
169.   Marty
Phil Collins is the Juan Pierre of pop music. Lot of hits, but worthless in my opinion.
2007-03-20 07:47:28
170.   Greg Brock
169
"The man sure does get on the charts an awful lot."

--Ned Colletti, Phil Collins fan

2007-03-20 08:04:49
171.   Hythloday
168 i've always thought that punctuation was a bit fascistic
2007-03-20 08:21:02
172.   Sam DC
Wow -- our Kiwi poster introduces himself the same evening I fly on an airplane with Helen Clark, the PM of New Zealand.
2007-03-20 08:50:25
173.   Andrew Shimmin
172- I have three questions.

1. Was she wearing a name tag? or
2. Were you hired to assassinate her? or
3. Did you really just happen to recognize the Prime Minister of New Zealand?

2007-03-20 08:53:18
174.   Sushirabbit
I always liked Supper's Ready... but that was a lonnnngggg time ago, and really still Gabriels Band, but Phils in their. And Bob, you left off Burt Munroe peeing on the lemon tree.
2007-03-20 09:22:10
175.   Bob Timmermann
Sorry, just to clarify, I don't want to complain about politics, but punctuation really gets me angry sometimes.
2007-03-20 09:27:35
176.   El Lay Dave
175 Bob and his periods.

(on punctuation only) I know the NYT insists on "U.C.L.A.". Do they also write "P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act"? How do they draw the line? (The headline you quoted does appear to be a policy contradiction on its face.)

2007-03-20 09:40:18
177.   D4P
Bob and his periods

It's always that time of the month

2007-03-20 09:44:07
178.   Andrew Shimmin
Anybody else picture Bob typing 175 by banging his shoe against the keyboard, shouting, "I will crush you!"?
2007-03-20 09:47:22
179.   Jon Weisman
New post coming up top.
2007-03-20 11:17:19
180.   BlueCrew Bruin
166 I think that's the first time I've ever seen a Todd Hundley drive.

Hey! Thank you folks, I'm here all week. Try the veal.

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