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The Price of Success
2007-05-31 12:40
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Six-foot-six left-handed Vanderbilt pitcher David Price, poised to become the No. 1 overall draft pick in major-league baseball next week, could have joined the Dodger organization in 2004 after he was drafted in the 19th round. But this wasn't necessarily a case of the Dodgers letting someone get away because they preferred to spend money on, say, mediocre major league talent.

From Teresa M. Walker of The Associated Press:

Improving his draft status wasn't why Price chose college over professional baseball. Price said he simply wasn't ready, a fact he made clear two weeks before that draft.

And now?

"I'm just 10 times the player I was whenever I came here. My stuff has gotten better. The most important thing for me is mentally. I was not ready for that out of high school. Now I feel like I can do anything," Price said.

Some people just want to go to college. It's very possible that out of high school, Price had his price, but it's hard to fault the Dodgers when it appears he's so much better off for having spurned them.

But we can certainly wonder what might have been ...

* * *

In December, I suggested that despite their lack of star power, the Dodgers might be able to win with "supreme adequacy."

While the Dodger lineup doesn't look overpowering in the middle, it may be among the best in the National League top to bottom. While (Juan) Pierre will have one of the lowest on-base per-centages of a leadoff or No. 2 hitter, the Dodgers' No. 8 hitter (Andre Ethier? Wilson Betemit?) could be the best around. … I am very open to the idea that with superstar talent at a clear premium, there may be something to the idea of trying to dominate with depth, with supreme adequacy. (Luis) Gonzalez might not be an ideal signing or even a sensible one, but there might be something to it. …
On a much broader and insightfuler level, Nate Silver of Baseball Prospectus explores this idea:

There are two ways to build a winning baseball team. One way is to have a few players who are extraordinarily good. Alternatively, you can have few players who are extraordinarily bad. Conversely, there are two reasons that baseball clubs fail. They can have an absence of good players — or an abundance of bad ones.

This distinction might seem at once too basic and too esoteric. Nevertheless, it is something that can get lost in our obsession with replacement level, which begins to assign value at a relatively low threshold, and seems to divide players into good, "gooder", and "goodest." If you take two teams whose offenses are both 180 runs better than replacement, for example, that doesn't tell you very much about how those teams are composed. You might have one team who has two stars with VORPs around 90, and a bunch of zero-value scrubs (in VORP) rounding out the roster, and another team that has no star talent at all, but gets a 20 VORP contribu-tion out of each of its nine regulars. …

So, you're probably asking, is it better to be sharp or be flat? And is it better to be natural than either of the above? There are intuitive arguments either way. On the one hand, it's generally much cheaper to exchange replacement-level talent with average talent than it is to replace average talent with superstar talent, particu-larly if you have extra financial or scouting resources at your disposal. There's little chance that the Yankees will still be employing Doug Mientkiewicz, for example, if they've limped back into the race by the trade dead-line, and their marginal gains are going to be very high once they replace him. On the other hand, sharp teams do not do a very good job of diversifying themselves, and may be more vulnerable to injuries or other kinds of attrition problems. The Cardinals, who were an extremely "sharp" team heading into this season, are a good example of this; then Chris Carpenter gets hurt, Jim Edmonds and Scott Rolen start showing their age, and what you're left with is a team that... well, falls flat.

It's almost like you have two of Bill James' seminal concepts at loggerheads. The Talent Pyramid would tend to suggest that sharp teams have an easier job of improving themselves, while the Plexiglass Principle might favor flat ones. My hunch is that that the argument for sharpness prevails; in fact, I'm almost certain that being sharp is better than being flat, though I don't know if it's better than being natural. But I haven't run the numbers yet, and that's going to need to wait until next week.

Gonzalez, by the way, is third among Dodger hitters in Value Over Replacement Player so far this year. (Brad Penny is fifth!) Gonzalez's OPS+ of 119 is also third among Dodger regulars, according to Baseball-Reference.com. It's hard to argue that the Dodgers have had a supremely adequate lineup when four positions are below average offensively, but the pitching - with a staff ERA+ of 121 - has made up for it.

* * *

Rafael Furcal has been a hitting machine of late, but it is interesting that he is in his longest stretch without a home run – 241 plate appearances - since a 2001-2002 period in which he went 287 plate appearances without a homer.

His longest homerless stretch in his major-league career was during his rookie season in 2000, when he went 433 plate appearances before knocking his first major-league home run on September 2.

Furcal's most recent home run was September 19, 2006 against Pittsburgh, the Dodgers' opponent this weekend.

* * *

Today's 4:05 p.m. game:

Gameday

Retro Gameday

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2007-05-31 12:53:51
1.   ToyCannon
I'm good with that. Many people should go to college 1st if they think it is better for them. My only complaint is when it is money that keeps us from signing our picks.
I'm actually very happy that Price is headed for the DRays. I can easily see a scenario where they become my 2nd favorite team. Right now they are 3rd.
2007-05-31 13:02:26
2.   Eric Enders
The thing is, you would think that a team with (a) the monetary resources the Dodgers have, and (b) the scouting guru the Dodgers have, would realize that it is to their extreme advantage to invest a lot of money in the draft. I'm not suggesting that the Dodgers have been cheap, but there are players out there like Price who can be had for the taking in lower rounds and then can be bought away from attending college. LaRoche in the 39th round is a prime example. I'm kind of disappointed that there haven't been more LaRoche-type scenarios in recent years. This is one way in which the Dodgers could really get a leg up on the competition. Frank McCourt no longer has to worry about Selig's wrath, he's not a new owner anymore, so he should be able to get away with paying above-slot bonuses if he wants to.

We're not going to have Logan White for too much longer; we should take advantage of him while he's here.

2007-05-31 13:03:24
3.   trainwreck
Nate, John is asking for a roll call of GMs for the Mock Draft.
2007-05-31 13:12:41
4.   natepurcell
3

thanks.

in regards to goldstein picking Main for the dodgers, i really dont know.

pros
-electric fastball
-knockout curveball when on
-one of the most athletic players in entire draft
-workable change with a chance to be plus
-fierce comepetitor
-quick, loose arm action

cons
-really struggle on the showcase tour last summer
-when he just trys to overpower with just fastball, he is really hittable.
-had a bout of shoulder tendonitis his junior year
-more of a smallish, RHP

2007-05-31 13:24:40
5.   El Lay Dave
Ken Rosenthal on Russell Martin:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6868932
Many quotes from current teammates.
2007-05-31 13:25:05
6.   twerp
IIRC, this pretty much squares with what Price said when he signed with Vandy.

I think he was set on going to college, period. I don't think he had a "price."

I believe he thought going to college--especially a school like Vandy--could only help him and would pay off big time later on (like now). Vandy's Corbin is good at developing the mental side, which is what Price said he needed.

There was some risk of injury, of course, but it appears Price's decision will prove to be right for him, not so much for the Dodgers.

2007-05-31 13:25:21
7.   ToyCannon
If every smallish RHP going to be compared to Roy Oswalt for the next 10 years?
2007-05-31 13:30:44
8.   El Lay Dave
Today's lineup, per Tony Jackson:
SS Furcal
CF Pierre
1B Nomar
2B Kent
LF Gonzo
C Martin
3B LaRoche
RF Ethier
LH Hendrickson
2007-05-31 13:31:13
9.   natepurcell
7

well before oswalt, it was pedro. Now its probably going to be lincecum :(

2007-05-31 13:32:02
10.   twerp
Far be it from me to jinx it, but how often has one team shut out another three straight times?

As in what happens tonight, hopefully...

2007-05-31 13:32:49
11.   El Lay Dave
8 Depends on how Tim Lincecum continues to develop.

There's also Pedro, of course.

2007-05-31 13:33:04
12.   trainwreck
From Keith Law's chat

Greg (C-town): Keith, I am sick of all this "prospect" talk. Our two biggest prospects are flops, Jeremy Sowers and Andy Marte. While a guy no one ever heard of has out dueled Johan Santana twice, Fuasto Carmona. Why can't we just talk about what's going on now instead of who will be in someone's rotation in 2009?!?

SportsNation Keith Law: Sorry, Greg. Joe Morgan will be along shortly to chat with you.

2007-05-31 13:33:28
13.   El Lay Dave
9, 11 Beaten to the punch!
2007-05-31 13:38:50
14.   Terry A
8 - Nomar's seemingly permanent place in the 3-spot is beginning to remind me of Jim Tracy's stubborn refusal to move a slumping, powerless Shawn Green down in the lineup a few years ago (2004?).
2007-05-31 13:39:25
15.   bhsportsguy
8 We could be on the verge of seeing Hendrickson return to the bullpen, as noted in previous threads, Hendrickson has regressed in May and even when he is at his best, he's a 5 inning starter.

If Schmidt comes back in the next 10 days, Hendrickson could have one more start. I don't think Schmidt replaces Kuo/Bills in that spot.

This sets up a situation where both Tomko and Hendrickson are back in the bullpen, I suppose there is always a minor deal that could be made but we will leave that for another day.

2007-05-31 13:40:08
16.   old dodger fan
It continues to amaze me that the first 3 hitters in our lineup now have over 600 PA's and 1 HR between them. Thanks to the link to BR above I see that the 3 of them have OPS+ of 103, 72 and 85. I am delighted that we are 10 games over .500 and in 1st place but worry that we lack the firepower to stay there.
2007-05-31 13:40:30
17.   regfairfield
7 Much like how every bad left handed pitcher will be compared to Jamie Moyer.
2007-05-31 13:44:03
18.   old dodger fan
15 In Hendrickson's first 6 appearances he pitched 27.2 innings, gave up 4 ER with an ERA of 1.30. In his most recent 4 appearances he has pitched 22 innings with 16 ER (plus 4 unearned) with an ERA of 6.55. None of his last 4 appearances has been good and he seems to be getting worse.
I can't imagine Grady will stick with him much longer unless his performance improves.
2007-05-31 13:47:35
19.   Monterey Chris
The article Jon quotes discusses the Talent Pyramid and the Plexiglass Principle. I understand the Talent Pyramid. Can anybody give me a short summary of the Plexiglass Principle?
2007-05-31 13:49:35
20.   bhsportsguy
18 I don't think he has to anyway, Schmidt should take that spot back, Hendrickson was doing well as the long man in the pen. I think the real issue will be who do you pick between Kuo and Bills, and to Chad's detriment, he has shown that he can be effective in the pen while Kuo has not been ablt to do that.
2007-05-31 13:51:47
21.   ToyCannon
Full Disclosure:

I am hoping for Hendrickson to get pounded, Billingsley to come in and shut em down with the bases loaded and then the offense to pick on the beleagured Nat pitching staff with La Roche hitting his 1st majore league home run thus giving us a win and a win as this would be his last start as a Dodger.

Kuo then needs to do his part on Saturday.

I'm being greedy but I want a six game sweep.

2007-05-31 14:00:10
22.   bhsportsguy
21 They play 4 in Pittsburgh, so I think you want them to roll a 7.

That is going to be a late night flight on Monday, probably arriving in San Diego around 3-4 in the morning and then playing that night.

2007-05-31 14:00:31
23.   ToyCannon
Bhsportsguy and myself are headed to Dodgers stadium to watch Chatsworth/Cleveland and more specifically to watch Moustakas and Dominguez try to do what our powerless offense can't do and that is actually hit a home run at Dodger Stadium. According to Bob the game is at 07:30 Saturday night. If other DT folks would like to see what a top 5 draft pick looks like please join us.
2007-05-31 14:00:43
24.   old dodger fan
21 By a 6 game sweep I assume you mean the DC / Pitt visit. Pittsburgh is a 4 game series.
2007-05-31 14:01:40
25.   ToyCannon
They play Monday? They must hate those games.
2007-05-31 14:01:43
26.   bhsportsguy
21 And I don't think he needs to be pounded, I think its more a situation of determining who is the better guy. If Hendrickson can only pitch 5 innings effectively, he is going to be replaced with someone who can go longer.
2007-05-31 14:02:24
27.   ToyCannon
Never mind, seven is to much to ask for.
2007-05-31 14:03:23
28.   bhsportsguy
25 If you see Hendrickson in the ballpark on Monday, I would be guessing that Jason Schmidt will be pitching Tuesday night in San Diego.
2007-05-31 14:03:32
29.   ToyCannon
I doubt if either Kuo or Billingsley can pitch more then 5 effective inning at this point either.
2007-05-31 14:03:58
30.   Eric Stephen
19 The Plexiglass Principle basically states that teams that improve or decline dramatically tend to fall (or rise) back toward the middle the following season.
2007-05-31 14:06:20
31.   Dodgers49
Dodgers Shoot For History In Washington

>>> Los Angeles last shutout an opponent for an entire series when they blanked Houston in all four games of a set in September of 1966. <<<

http://www.nbc10.com/mlb/13411564/detail.html

2007-05-31 14:06:22
32.   trainwreck
Can we start a Lavin to Florida campaign?
2007-05-31 14:07:11
33.   Bob Timmermann
"There is a law in baseball called the plexiglass principle, which states that teams which significantly improve or decline in one season have a tendency to relapse or bounce back in the next."
2007-05-31 14:09:31
34.   El Lay Dave
It's not just Furcal and Nomar (though Nomar's drop seems especially precipitous); power seems to be down throughout baseball.

NL
Year HR/G Slg%
2007 0.893 .402
2006 1.097 .427
%decrease 18.6 5.9

AL
Year HR/G Slg%
2007 1.026 .418
2006 1.123 .437
%decrease 8.6 4.3

I don't know if those changes are that significant without trending over more years - not enough time right now, but at glance 2005 looks somewhat similar to 2006 - but gut feel is that an 18.6% decrease in HR/G is notable. ("Game" is team-game, twice the number of actual contests.)

2007-05-31 14:12:44
35.   underdog
14 I don't know, I think Grady's stubbornness is nowhere near the level of Jim Tracy's, though it can be irksome at times. Grady at least shows a willingness to bench people (less than we'd like, sure) or move struggling pitchers to the bullpen quicker than Tracy would.

I'm glad to see LaRoche in there today at least, and won't say anything about Martin starting again :-)

Btw, I think Main will be gone by the time the Dodgers pick anyway. It's amazing how all over the map the mock drafts are though - with Smoker, for example, going anywhere from around 10, 11, to after the Dodgers pick.

2007-05-31 14:15:39
36.   bhsportsguy
35 Let's remember that "Tiny" Tim was projected to a little later than No. 10 and we all know how that worked out.
2007-05-31 14:16:12
37.   trainwreck
I wish we could trade up in the draft. Porcello as a Dodger would be too good.
2007-05-31 14:21:52
38.   bhsportsguy
29 Yeah, I know. Though Chad is being more efficient with his pitches, I think his 3 inning outing on Saturday (40 pitches) was real impressive and hopefully sets him up to be more efficient when he does get that chance to start again.
2007-05-31 14:27:37
39.   El Lay Dave
14 Well, Green did move from primarily 4th to primarily 5th about halfway through the season, but outside of Beltre's career year, the team lacked other legitimate options. Bradley or, later, Finley, hit 3rd a lot. Who else but Green 5th? Werth? Encarnacion? LoDuca before the trade?
2007-05-31 14:28:01
40.   underdog
36 True, and it does seem like a deep draft. We should end up with someone good, at any rate.
2007-05-31 14:28:30
41.   weatherman
benmaller.com today reports that the Yanks might try to trade Johnny Damon (OPS+ 101). Juan Pierre and a pitcher might attract the Boss. Any thoughts on that possibility?
2007-05-31 14:31:38
42.   Jon Weisman
41 - The Yankees are complaining about Damon mainly because he's playing like a decent version of Pierre.

For many reasons, there is no chance of Pierre going to the Yankees.

2007-05-31 14:32:54
43.   Bob Timmermann
And Jason Giambi will be out three weeks too, so I think the Yankees need a bigger bat.
2007-05-31 14:36:10
44.   El Lay Dave
41 I stopped reading after "benmaller.com today reports". (Not really, but it smells like pure speculative rumor.)
2007-05-31 14:36:29
45.   underdog
Steinbrenner, channeling Roy Scheider: "We're gonna need a bigger bat."
2007-05-31 14:37:22
46.   El Lay Dave
42 Steinbrenner might notice the 550 outs.
2007-05-31 14:40:02
47.   Hallux Valgus
44 It is just that. The Damon rumors are starting solely because he's the only big name the Yankees have without a no trade clause.
2007-05-31 14:40:54
48.   Jon Weisman
The Padres claimed Hiram Bocachica off waivers - will he haunt the Dodgers?
2007-05-31 14:45:35
49.   regfairfield
41 No one wanted Juan Pierre for 5/44 six months ago, there's no one that wants him at that price now.
2007-05-31 14:48:53
50.   underdog
48 As one who fears the jinx... I still say "no." Next question.
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2007-05-31 14:50:06
51.   Ken Arneson
48 No.
2007-05-31 14:50:46
52.   blue22
49 - No one?
2007-05-31 14:51:10
53.   Eric Enders
It's too bad Hiram Bocachica and Kevin Bass never got to play in the same lineup.
2007-05-31 14:52:38
54.   Bob Timmermann
If Hiram can put another home run into the loge seats, then I will be impressed.

"Hiram's coming!
Hiram's coming!
Hiram's coming!
Guys, you better hide your bat
Your favorite bat!
Hiram's coming and the cards say ...

Broken bat, oh broken bat, oh broken bat!"

2007-05-31 14:56:03
55.   bhsportsguy
23 We need to check because the LA Times reported that the game is at 4:00.

Where's inside sources?

2007-05-31 14:57:19
56.   bhsportsguy
41 I am surprised that they found time to report on anything else with all the Kobe stuff going on.
2007-05-31 15:01:17
57.   Bob Timmermann
55
Call 213-745-1980 and ask the City Section office.
2007-05-31 15:01:45
58.   El Lay Dave
55 Chatsworth HS web site also says 4 P.M.
2007-05-31 15:07:12
59.   Bluebleeder87
That is going to be a late night flight on Monday, probably arriving in San Diego around 3-4 in the morning and then playing that night.

well at least Vinnie will be well rested for that game. Ken Rosenthal's read on Russell Martin was o.k. IMO he could have done better.

2007-05-31 15:08:48
60.   Bluebleeder87
If Hiram can put another home run into the loge seats, then I will be impressed.

Exactly what i was thinking Bob

2007-05-31 15:09:08
61.   jasonungar07
Yeah I hate to say it but I can think of one person who wanted Juan Pierre for 5/44 six months ago and I know it's not me.
2007-05-31 15:13:55
62.   bhsportsguy
57 Start time for the Chatsworth game is at 4:00 p.m. per that office, tickets are $10.00. There are two other games at 10:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. and the same ticket gets you in for all three games.
2007-05-31 15:18:31
63.   neuroboy002
I was randomly compiling a mental list of Center Fielders with the worst throwing arms in baseball. Pierre and Damon come to mind. What about Boston's Coco Crisp? Is he in that category as well?
2007-05-31 15:18:51
64.   gpellamjr
61 Geez. Whoever that was must not know much about baseball.
2007-05-31 15:20:08
65.   blue22
63 - Lofton. Dave Roberts.
2007-05-31 15:20:09
66.   Hallux Valgus
63 Wily Tavares
2007-05-31 15:20:10
67.   El Lay Dave
[The Dodgers] have not recorded three consecutive shutouts since July 25-27, 1991, defeating the Chicago Cubs once and the Montreal Expos twice.

The starters those days were Ramon Martinez, Orel Hershiser and Bobby Ojeda. The day after that was when Dennis Martinez tossed his perfect game against Mike Morgan (who allowed only two unearned runs).

2007-05-31 15:20:53
68.   El Lay Dave
63 Dave Roberts.
2007-05-31 15:21:31
69.   natepurcell
from BAs draft tracker...

11. Blake Beavan, rhp, Irving (Texas) HS (15)The Dodgers are one of a handful of teams believed to be hot for Beavan, whose season has been over for more than three weeks.

2007-05-31 15:22:30
70.   blue22
67 - Mark Gardner threw 9 innings of no-hit ball in one of those Expos games. LA won it in extra innings, with Strawberry getting the key hit (though not the first hit I don't believe).
2007-05-31 15:24:44
71.   neuroboy002
I was just wondering because some of the commentators on ESPN were joking about how Crisp can't hit or throw, but he can run and catch. I think I remember Boston giving up a lot of good talent for him. Thought he would be more impact player
2007-05-31 15:27:34
72.   blue22
71 - It was really only Andy Marte who Boston traded for Crisp, but they gave up Renteria (who was awful in his one year in Boston after signing a big contract) plus a big chunk of cash in return for Marte from Atlanta. And Marte's been a bust (so far) for Cleveland.
2007-05-31 15:31:58
73.   Bluebleeder87
69

was it do to injury Nate?

2007-05-31 15:34:19
74.   underdog
Wowsa, the Nats have five of the first 71 picks in the draft. Good chance for them to immediately improve their weak farm system. If they don't blow it.
2007-05-31 15:36:35
75.   El Lay Dave
70 Correct. Gardner started the 10th with a no-hitter, but Lenny Harris had an IF single, Eddie Murray grounded a single into RF, Gardner came out and Jeff Fassero gave up Darryl's line drive to LF. Dodger pitches (Orel, Kevin Gross, Jay Howell) combined for two-hit shutout.
2007-05-31 15:37:46
76.   still bevens
74 I still find it somewhat tragic that they would have gotten the #3 pick if it wasn't for Soriano signing with one of the few teams with a worse record than they had.
2007-05-31 15:38:20
77.   Eric Enders
74 "If they don't blow it."

They have Rizzo now. They're not going to blow it.

2007-05-31 15:39:28
78.   neuroboy002
72 I thought they gave up Kelly Shoppoch, their best catcher in their farm system, as well?
2007-05-31 15:40:10
79.   ToyCannon
66
I thought Wily had a gun which made him unique to the weak and fleet crowd.

Roberts arm was okay, nothing special but I don't remember it being weak.

2007-05-31 15:41:05
80.   El Lay Dave
78 Crisp Traded by the Cleveland Indians with Josh Bard and David Riske to the Boston Red Sox for Guillermo Mota, Andy Marte, Kelly Shoppach, and cash.
2007-05-31 15:42:11
81.   Jon Weisman
This will be the game chat thread.
2007-05-31 15:43:22
82.   underdog
76 Sad maybe, but not too tragic, given they still have a high pick and 4 others in the first 2 rounds. Certainly not as tragic as the way the NBA lottery panned out for, say, Celtic fans.
2007-05-31 15:43:23
83.   neuroboy002
80 Thanks. Now, put down the hatchet. You've already buried it once.
2007-05-31 15:43:56
84.   underdog
I'm sure Guillermo Mota was the key to that whole trade, too.
2007-05-31 15:49:02
85.   blue22
80 - Marte was the prize. The catchers and relievers kinda cancel(l)ed themselves out.

Crisp has gone bust. Marte's on his way.

Renteria did well to get out of Boston and back into the NL.

2007-05-31 15:54:05
86.   still bevens
82 I guess the tragedy lies in whether Nats fans believed that Bowden actually had a solid plan when he decided to keep Soriano instead of trading him.
2007-05-31 16:00:26
87.   natepurcell
69

nah, high school season ended.

2007-05-31 16:00:58
88.   Dodgers49
Dodgers left fielder Luis Gonzalez has sizzled of late.

Sizzled to the tune of an eight-game hitting streak of his own, during which he was batting .414 (12 for 29).
``I made some minor adjustments,'' Gonzalez said. ``I worked a little bit with (hitting coach) Eddie (Murray), just trying to shorten some stuff up a little bit.

http://www.insidesocal.com/dodgers/

2007-05-31 16:01:58
89.   Borchard504
I checked with the Reds - they still don't want Mark Hendrickson. Get your seatbelts on folks for HR derby.
2007-05-31 16:04:02
90.   underdog
Any other MLBTV subscribers out there? I'm having trouble accessing the game so far because it's saying I need to be a 700k subscriber. Normally it gives you the choice, you know, between 400 (the cheaper subscription) and 700. When I found a link for both, even clicking on the 400k choice still gives me that message. Any ideas? Just a temp. glitch maybe...
2007-05-31 16:04:56
91.   Borchard504
Wow - the perm'd hair of Don Sutton is on MLB extra innings. I've always thought he was pretty decent as a color commentator.
2007-05-31 16:08:30
92.   underdog
Okay, after logging in 3 times, it finally works. Stupid site is full of cookie blockers and glitches. Sufferin' succotash. Anyway, whew.
2007-05-31 16:09:33
93.   Marty
Seeing the Nat's pitcher's name makes envision someone walking around, cradling a shotgun and chanting "Lucas boy!"
2007-05-31 16:12:32
94.   Bluebleeder87
I'll be happy if Hendy gives us 6+ innings & keeps us in the game, you can't ask for much more out of Hendy.
2007-05-31 16:12:57
95.   El Lay Dave
93 Is it pronounced BOW-ee or BOO-ee ?
2007-05-31 16:13:58
96.   Sam in SC
thus endeth thy streak of consecutive scoreless innings
2007-05-31 16:14:00
97.   Borchard504
niiice
2007-05-31 16:14:14
98.   Greg Brock
And so it begins.

Paging the superstud prospect "innings eater"...

2007-05-31 16:14:46
99.   natepurcell
Hendrickson is fired.
2007-05-31 16:14:46
100.   Who Is Karim Garcia
"out of play, run(s)"
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2007-05-31 16:14:54
101.   underdog
Pat Sajak must be a big Dodger fan, to come all the way to festering RFK stadium to watch them play.
2007-05-31 16:15:22
102.   Bluebleeder87
92

i've heard it get's trouble some at times.

2007-05-31 16:15:30
103.   Sam in SC
at least that leaves the bases empty. oh, wait. never mind.
2007-05-31 16:15:44
104.   underdog
Those in the "I Hope Mark Hendrickson Blows Today" camp should be happy.
2007-05-31 16:15:55
105.   Borchard504
Dimtri Young, proud graduate of Rio Mesa HS.
2007-05-31 16:15:57
106.   JoeyP
Sajak's wife is attractive.

DFA Hendrickson.

2007-05-31 16:16:17
107.   El Lay Dave
Okay Mark, take a deep, cleansing breath here. Forget about the past and focus on the one task at hand. Visualize yourself throwing strikes on the black....
2007-05-31 16:16:32
108.   underdog
Man, he's off to an even worse start than I'd imagined today. The Nats must also be more than ready to score a few runs for a change.
2007-05-31 16:16:51
109.   Sam in SC
101. I saw RFK referred to as "that great unflushed toilet" in some story or blog this morning . . .
2007-05-31 16:18:01
110.   underdog
94 "I'll be happy if Hendy gives us 6+ innings & keeps us in the game, you can't ask for much more out of Hendy."

{In Maxwell Smart voice:} How about 2 innings and the team still within a touchdown?

2007-05-31 16:18:05
111.   Bob Timmermann
Sam DC is at this game. Look for someone in the stands with 14 fingers and a prehensile tail.

He'll be the guy NEXT to that guy.

2007-05-31 16:18:18
112.   Greg Brock
107 You are on a ship at sea. Rocking, gently rocking....

Hobbs! Get back here!

2007-05-31 16:18:43
113.   El Lay Dave
Orange or something alert for the Nats to hit for the cycle this inning.
2007-05-31 16:18:49
114.   underdog
109 Did you read Tony Jackson' assessment on his blog? Not particularly thrilled with the place.
2007-05-31 16:18:50
115.   Borchard504
Batting Practice confirmed! Will the Dodgers ever get to bat again?
2007-05-31 16:19:19
116.   Gen3Blue
I'm still a bit mystified why Hendricksen is starting when Bills, Houlton and probably several others should make better starters and Bigfoot is well suited to long relief. It is harder to come from behind.
2007-05-31 16:19:24
117.   Sam in SC
the MASM play by play guy is much less annoying when the nats aren't winning. funny how that works out . . .
2007-05-31 16:19:46
118.   underdog
I think Hendrickson's therapist should have pitched this inning himself.
2007-05-31 16:20:54
119.   underdog
116 I don't think you'll have to wonder about that much longer.
2007-05-31 16:21:09
120.   scooplew
31 The Dodgers' four-game shutout sweep of the Astros, Sept. 9-11, 1966:
9-9 -- 7-0. Claude Osteen pitches CG, 3-hitter, 5Ks, 0 BBs. John Kennedy gets 2 of 24 RBIs he has that year.
9-10 -- 1-0, 10 innings. Phil Regan ("The Vulture") gets win with 1.1 innings of relief behind Don Drysdale. Al Ferrara drives in run with 2-out PH single in bottom of 10.
9-11 (Game 1) -- 4-0. Sandy Koufax with CG, 6-hitter, 6Ks, 2BBs. Wills 3x4. Dodgers get 6 hits.
9-11 (Game 2) -- 1-0. Joe Moeller goes 5, Bob Miller 2, Regan 2. Miller WP. John Roseboro drives in run with PH single.
Losing pitchers -- Bob Bruce, Mike Cuellar, Larry Dierker, Chris Zachary.
Times of game (in order): 2:08, 2:30, 2:07, 2:13.
2007-05-31 16:21:23
121.   Bob Timmermann
117
That's Bob Carpenter. I own a Bob Carpenter brand scorebook.

Apparently, he fills most of the orders on his own. When my brother Tom ran into him in St. Louis, he remembered my name from that.

This leads me to believe he does not have a big customer base.

2007-05-31 16:22:09
122.   bigcpa
The player would have been better trade bait with a sub 4.00 ERA.
2007-05-31 16:22:42
123.   Gen3Blue
It may be an effort to be fair and try to balance the league a bit, giving the bottom teams a chance, sort of like a lead in a race or a handy-cap. That would be OK if all the other teams are on board.
2007-05-31 16:23:00
124.   Sam in SC
121. or a VERY good memory.
2007-05-31 16:23:24
125.   Borchard504
118 - pretty funny
106 - an obvious second to the motion of a Hendy DFA
2007-05-31 16:23:55
126.   Andrew Shimmin
ToyCannon is going to be so ashamed of himself when he sees the boxscore, and learns that he's responsible for it.
2007-05-31 16:25:28
127.   Sam in SC
martin just rocks.
2007-05-31 16:25:31
128.   Bluebleeder87
Russell Martin rocks!
2007-05-31 16:25:35
129.   Ricardo
Hendrickson needs a triple for the cycle.Maybe he´s trying to show to Nats´ GM he´s bad enough to play there! Just kidding!
2007-05-31 16:25:36
130.   Greg Brock
No way. Dead center.

The golden god is...er...Golden!

2007-05-31 16:25:37
131.   Who Is Karim Garcia
"out of play, run"
2007-05-31 16:25:41
132.   CanuckDodger
About Kevin Goldstein predicting the Dodgers would take Main, where did he do that? I think I remember him saying some time ago that it would be a good idea if the Dodgers took Main as an outfielder, but that was it, and I don't see a new article by him at BP.
2007-05-31 16:25:44
133.   Branch Rickey
This Matin kid can play. We should think about keeping him.
2007-05-31 16:25:50
134.   Andrew Shimmin
RFK cannot contain Russell Martin.
2007-05-31 16:25:58
135.   Jon Weisman
120 - When it comes to 1966, another four-game pitching performance comes to mind.
2007-05-31 16:26:08
136.   JoeyP
Russ Martin is such an All Star.
2007-05-31 16:26:39
137.   underdog
{mancrush, ON}
2007-05-31 16:26:54
138.   scooplew
Hendy: 18 earned runs in his last 23 innings. What was Little thinking in throwing him out there tonight? Amazing. I am not among those who hoped Hendrickson would fail tonight. But I had little expectation that he would succeed.
2007-05-31 16:27:33
139.   Andrew Shimmin
Joe Mauer is on line one, Charlie, and he doesn't sound happy.
2007-05-31 16:27:38
140.   underdog
Yay, Andy!
2007-05-31 16:27:41
141.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Andy thought he was faster with the haircut.
2007-05-31 16:27:44
142.   El Lay Dave
112 People don't start pitching above average at your age, they retire!
2007-05-31 16:27:48
143.   Kingmans Performance
NL West Update:

SD
PIT - Rain Delay

SF-2
NY-0 1st

COL
STL 6pm PDT

2007-05-31 16:28:12
144.   bhsportsguy
132 It was on the MLB.com draft show today. Goldstein refereed to Main as the kind of HS pitcher Logan White likes though his secondary pitches are not yet as refined as the Dodgers usually like.
2007-05-31 16:28:15
145.   Bluebleeder87
Wow! i just saw the replay of Martins dinger & it was no cheapy.
2007-05-31 16:28:27
146.   Kevin Lewis
Russell, how I love thee
2007-05-31 16:28:53
147.   underdog
Was that a busted hit and run? Couldn't tell. {in Floyd the Barber voice:} Oooh, Andy...
2007-05-31 16:29:06
148.   Bluebleeder87
137

i hear ya underdog

2007-05-31 16:29:14
149.   Kevin Lewis
BTW, anyone seen the video they play of Russell before he comes to bat at Chavez? He looks so young, they need to do a new one with his scruffy look.
2007-05-31 16:29:36
150.   CajunDodger
136
I wonder if Ned has an extension offer ready yet. If so, that "C" captain's patch would look awfully good on his right shoulder
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2007-05-31 16:30:36
151.   JoeyP
Don Sutton really deserves to broadcast a better team.
2007-05-31 16:30:37
152.   bhsportsguy
138 He really didn't have a lot of choices and I just think he does not feel comfortable with Brazoban as his first RH in the pen, which is why Grady is hesitant to change Billingsley to a starter.
2007-05-31 16:31:29
153.   CanuckDodger
144 -- Thanks.

The Dodgers had LaRoche try to steal a base? Are you kidding me? Ron Cey had more footspeed.

2007-05-31 16:31:49
154.   unassisted
with the new haircut laroche looks just like bill mueller
2007-05-31 16:32:28
155.   underdog
Hendy talked to his sports psychologist between innings, I bet.
2007-05-31 16:33:22
156.   underdog
153 I still think it was meant to be a hit and run...
2007-05-31 16:33:42
157.   scareduck
Rick Monday is perilously close to a Rule 5 violation.
2007-05-31 16:33:57
158.   JoeyP
153--Maybe LaRoche's ADD acted up and he missed a sign?
2007-05-31 16:34:59
159.   StolenMonkey86
158 - I knew Adam had ADD, but didn't know Andy did.

155 - Worked well. 9 pitch inning

2007-05-31 16:35:21
160.   underdog
157 I don't even want to know, but glad I missed it. He's probably also violating rule #11.
2007-05-31 16:37:47
161.   Kevin Lewis
way to work the count Mark
2007-05-31 16:38:34
162.   Branch Rickey
I think the LaRoche delayed steal makes some sense. With two out he's no going to score from first on anything other than a HR by Ethier. So is he sits on first and Ethier gets a hit or a walk, you're left with the pitcher. Take a chance on getting to 2nd where Ethier can knock you in with a single. He's too slow for a straight steal, maybe thought he could catch them sleeping with a delayed steal.
2007-05-31 16:38:45
163.   StolenMonkey86
and the Nats retire a Dodger pitcher
2007-05-31 16:39:42
164.   Kevin Lewis
162)

I used to love the delayed steal in my high school days

2007-05-31 16:39:54
165.   JoeyP
If he's too slow for a straight steal, then taking off even later would seem to make even less sense.
2007-05-31 16:40:07
166.   Kingmans Performance
o-o-p-o-r-p-h-y-r-i-n

opporphyrin.

Do I win the Bee?

2007-05-31 16:42:14
167.   Branch Rickey
165. Clearly a delayed steal is not just about starting later so you have to run faster. It's about catching the other team sleeping so you can steal it without having to run as fast.
2007-05-31 16:42:36
168.   underdog
And just as quickly, the Mets have tied the Giants after 1.
2007-05-31 16:42:45
169.   natepurcell
Maybe LaRoche's ADD acted up and he missed a sign?

andy doesnt have ADD, adam is the only one.

2007-05-31 16:44:45
170.   Bob Timmermann
I believe Andy LaRoche is only guilty of being peculiar.
2007-05-31 16:45:01
171.   CanuckDodger
158 -- I'm afraid you've got your LaRoche brothers confused. Adam has ADD.
2007-05-31 16:47:09
172.   Branch Rickey
I have a feeling we're going to need a quality innings eater tonight.
2007-05-31 16:49:20
173.   Bluebleeder87
according to Ken Gurnik Demitri Young owns Hendy
2007-05-31 16:49:39
174.   underdog
Paging Chad Billingsley, please come to the front desk.
2007-05-31 16:50:36
175.   Bob Timmermann
173
Does 7 for 10 lifetime now qualify as sufficient grounds for repealing the 13th Amendment?
2007-05-31 16:51:40
176.   Branch Rickey
175. LOL
2007-05-31 16:51:43
177.   Jon Weisman
The thing is, I'm really rooting for Hendrickson. It's nothing personal, and I'd rather the Dodgers have the depth. And I'm wary of the feeding frenzy when he does poorly. All that being said, I hope Kuo and then Billingsley get the kind of rope Hendrickson has gotten this month.
2007-05-31 16:52:03
178.   Kevin Lewis
well, it looks like the 3,4,5 section has Mark's number. At least he hasn't imploded at this point...or caved in on himself like a dying star.
2007-05-31 16:52:21
179.   Andrew Shimmin
152- Sure he had choices. He could have started Billingsley; he'd have had to make the decision earlier than today, but that doesn't mean he had no choices. It's fine if he doesn't feel comfortable using Brazoban as the first RH out of the pen--he can use Broxton. Or, if it's a low leverage situation, he can suck it up and use Yhency, or Seanez, or Tomko.
2007-05-31 16:52:26
180.   Kingmans Performance
rain delay is over.

players are on the field in Pittsburgh.

2007-05-31 16:53:31
181.   Gen3Blue
Hey, come on; this isn't a joke. Each game is important in this division.. We don't have a team that can overcome any disadvantage with it's offense. I get the feeling that we are managed in a civil way, that will not offend anyone, and will give everybody plenty of rest, and maintain rotations and be very proper. As long as everything is proper, who would quibble over one or two games.Good luck at the end of the season!
2007-05-31 16:54:29
182.   Branch Rickey
177. I hope nobody needs that much rope. I also hope that Schmidt re-enters the rotation and we only need one of Kuo or Bills to show up.
2007-05-31 16:55:50
183.   Marty
Anthony Jr. needed a lot of rope.
2007-05-31 16:56:40
184.   Bluebleeder87
Steiner's depth perception battery is running low today.
2007-05-31 16:57:06
185.   Bob Timmermann
181
As Carl von Clausewitz said, "Baseball in the NL West is the continuation of politics by another means."
2007-05-31 16:57:55
186.   Branch Rickey
181. Do you think Grady doesn't take each game seriously? In what way do you think he doesn't do what he believes gives the team the best chance to win the most games?
2007-05-31 16:58:38
187.   underdog
I don't have anything against Hendrickson either, and have even sorta defended him here over the past year when he's actually pitched well. That said, despite the progress made with the psychologist, I still don't have much confidence in him. (I think he can be good out of the bullpen actually.) It's certainly more fun to watch Bill's "stuff" than Hendy's, at any rate.
2007-05-31 16:59:13
188.   Bluebleeder87
175

that was too funny Bob.

2007-05-31 16:59:22
189.   Branch Rickey
181. And I'm pretty sure he doesn't manage worried about offending. Did you see him pinch hit for Gonzales in a key situation last week?
2007-05-31 17:01:47
190.   ToyCannon
The kids will get no rope.

I still predict we will eventually beat Micah like a drum. Just takes a little time to get used to the idea that this guy is pitching in the major leagues with his stuff.

2007-05-31 17:02:39
191.   underdog
Honestly if Hendrickson goes 5 or 6 and only the three runs, that'll be okay. (Still a ways to go, however.) The Dodgers need to be scoring more runs vs. the Nats' pitcher anyway. This still should be his last start for awhile, though. (Or maybe next to last.)
2007-05-31 17:02:49
192.   unassisted
Did you guys see Ken Rosenthal's article on Russ?

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6868932

2007-05-31 17:03:30
193.   underdog
"his last start" refers to Hendy, of course, not Bowie, though maybe that should be true, as well.
2007-05-31 17:03:48
194.   Bluebleeder87
It's certainly more fun to watch Bill's "stuff" than Hendy's, at any rate.

younger & more upside, Hendy is doing a serviceable job so far today though.

2007-05-31 17:04:06
195.   Gen3Blue
186 I believe Grady does think he gives the team the chance to win the most games. I may be more volatile, and he may be better. But I truly believe he is wrong on certain individuals and games. No, I don't question his sincerity or belief. Only his Ability.
2007-05-31 17:04:09
196.   Gen3Blue
186 I believe Grady does think he gives the team the chance to win the most games. I may be more volatile, and he may be better. But I truly believe he is wrong on certain individuals and games. No, I don't question his sincerity or belief. Only his Ability.
2007-05-31 17:04:55
197.   underdog
That was a nice few pitches there, from Hendy.
2007-05-31 17:05:25
198.   Gen3Blue
Didn't mean to be doubly emphatic.
2007-05-31 17:09:21
199.   Branch Rickey
196. Oh okay. Your post 181 lead me to conclude otherwise. Disagreeing with him is certainly understandable but I think it would be hard to argue he's not doing what he believes will help the team win and not worried about anything else.
2007-05-31 17:09:49
200.   Bluebleeder87
Don Sutton just said Russell Martin's dinger traveled 445 feet, that's pretty deep for a straight away dinger.
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2007-05-31 17:10:37
201.   underdog
LaRoche is still wearing his Dirt of Shame on his uni.
2007-05-31 17:11:04
202.   D4P
The Spelling Bee is back on.
2007-05-31 17:11:47
203.   JoeyP
The most peculiar thing about this A-Rod/Blonde chic story is that A-Rod apparently stays at a different hotel than the rest of his teammates on the road.
2007-05-31 17:11:55
204.   El Lay Dave
192 see 5
2007-05-31 17:13:59
205.   El Lay Dave
162 But if the steal is successful, the opposition can choose to pitch around Ethier and use the pitcher as the escape hatch.
2007-05-31 17:14:53
206.   underdog
C'mon guys, this is Micah Bowie, not Don Sutton! What's going on? Oh well...
2007-05-31 17:19:15
207.   Jon Weisman
202 - Not on the west coast.
2007-05-31 17:22:20
208.   underdog
Nice recovery there after the ball ate his glove.
2007-05-31 17:22:37
209.   El Lay Dave
Should I assume Mr. Young will be pitched to very carefully with first base open?
2007-05-31 17:23:11
210.   El Lay Dave
Apparently not.
2007-05-31 17:23:14
211.   Bluebleeder87
That's all she wrote for Hendy
2007-05-31 17:23:15
212.   Branch Rickey
205- True. But probably wouldn't and even if they did, you get to start the next inning with your leadoff hitter instead of your pitcher. Just not much downside.
2007-05-31 17:23:29
213.   unassisted
Looking ahead to the series against the Padres next week it looks like we're gonna face Young, Maddux and Peavy, uh-oh.
2007-05-31 17:23:36
214.   underdog
Ugh. That was a batting practice pitch there.
2007-05-31 17:23:36
215.   JoeyP
209--Apparently not.

Gonzo's arm was really exposed there.
That was a hard hit ball.

2007-05-31 17:24:21
216.   Kingmans Performance
203

Rodriguez wears True Religion jeans.
$300 a pair. His photo in the Post yesterday
is contributing to a buzz on Wall Street,
their stock is up about 20% this week.

2007-05-31 17:25:05
217.   Jon Weisman
216 - Team player.
2007-05-31 17:25:18
218.   underdog
Were the Dodgers not aware of Young's success against Hendy in that last at bat? Pitching carefully would have been a good idea, yeah.
2007-05-31 17:25:27
219.   k0b3
i don't think the dodgers have that pitching surplus everyone believed. After Schmidt and bombko bombed out, and Hendrickson returning to form, the dodgers seem to be lacking on quality 4 or 5 pitchers
geez when dodgers are considering calling up Houlton who is horrible, this team needs just ONE more quality, consistent starter...hopefully schmidt will come back to be effective
2007-05-31 17:25:45
220.   overkill94
That throw was pitiful
2007-05-31 17:26:05
221.   Sam in SC
well, at least it didn't go into the stands . . .
2007-05-31 17:26:26
222.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers beat Young in L.A. Maddux is not unbeatable.

Peavy is a guaranteed loss.

2007-05-31 17:26:59
223.   JoeyP
Braz could have thrown that to 2nd base first.
2007-05-31 17:27:04
224.   k0b3
nomar's rbi this year have almost all been on singles...his batting average last year was higher than his slugging percentage this year i believe...we need texiera badly.
2007-05-31 17:27:19
225.   underdog
Yhency's ERA (in tiny sample size) so far looks scary. Would be nice to...

Yeeeegah, what was that??!

2007-05-31 17:27:50
226.   D4P
Not on the west coast

Oh, I guess that makes sense.

2007-05-31 17:27:52
227.   Bluebleeder87
209,210,211 talk about n sync, not the lolly pop group.
2007-05-31 17:28:18
228.   bhsportsguy
And again, another reason why Grady is uncomfortable beyond Beimel, Broxton and Saito. Chad's fate rest upon Yhency get out of this mess.
2007-05-31 17:28:25
229.   underdog
219 They have them, they're called Billingsley and Kuo. And if Schmidt does come back to be more effective this time around, I'd say they're still pretty solid 1-5 (or 6).
2007-05-31 17:28:52
230.   Kingmans Performance
is this stat coorect?

Brazoban 16.20 ERA?

hmm...

2007-05-31 17:29:55
231.   k0b3
i say schmidt gets called up to the dodgers, hendrickson gets benched, and kuo takes the 5th starter spot...hopefully
2007-05-31 17:30:55
232.   k0b3
well after that base hit, like hendrickson i'm out
2007-05-31 17:31:34
233.   Sam in SC
ruh, roh. trainer out to see braz.
2007-05-31 17:31:52
234.   unassisted
'felt it pop'
2007-05-31 17:32:18
235.   jasonungar07
Martin is now our OPS leader. Did hendu come out cause of injury or cause he sucks. It's hard to tell.

Nomar's OPS is below LaRoche. Just above Pierre's and Penny's.

2007-05-31 17:33:07
236.   El Lay Dave
219 the dodgers seem to be lacking on quality 4 or 5 pitchers
Who isn't? Even the Red Sox started Julian Tavarez for a while. Maybe the Padres. If Schmidt is healthy and one of Kuo/Billingsley works out, the Dodger's starters look pretty good.
2007-05-31 17:33:22
237.   underdog
Ruh roh is right. Kuo might not be the only one packing his bags in a few days...
2007-05-31 17:33:41
238.   Sam in SC
good heavens. what have I done to deserve this? I have to endure henrickson, which was bad enough, but now tomko twice in three days?
2007-05-31 17:33:42
239.   unassisted
did anyone else read stan johnson's lips when he told grady 'he felt it pop'
2007-05-31 17:34:27
240.   Andrew Shimmin
228- I still don't get it. If Hendrickson creates messes that Brazobahn can't clean up, it's imperative that Hendrickson continue to be allowed to make messes because otherwise there wouldn't be anybody (except for two of the best RH relief pitchers in baseball) to clean up the messes that he makes?
2007-05-31 17:34:53
241.   Bluebleeder87
i swear i wasn't feeling Brazoban coming in 2 times in a row but i didn't posted it cause i was to busy typing the "n sync" comment. i'm not kidding.
2007-05-31 17:38:33
242.   Bluebleeder87
but let's face it Brazoban doesn't stay in peak shape aither, i really hope it's nothing serious though.
2007-05-31 17:38:51
243.   Sam in SC
239. no. but I was pounding my head on the coffee table during most of the conversation on the mound, so I could have just missed it.
2007-05-31 17:39:31
244.   El Lay Dave
Potentially a tough spot for Tomko, except it's Nook and Micah due up.
2007-05-31 17:41:06
245.   Humma Kavula
Just tuning in. So this game means the bullpen for Hendrickson, right?

Right?

2007-05-31 17:41:21
246.   bhsportsguy
240 Look, its not that I think Chad or probably Schmidt isn't going to take over Hendrickson's spot anyway.

I am just saying that Chad is Grady's number one guy in 6th/7th inning and until someone else looks like he can handle that job, Grady is not going to move Chad.

I also heard A Martinez say that Kuo is not in some spot start on Saturday (although if Chad isn't used today, I wonder if he is still thinking about Kuo) but whoever pitches on Saturday is going to start in that spot for the immediate future.

2007-05-31 17:41:27
247.   Bluebleeder87
did Brazoban pitch yesterday? i might be confusing my days.
2007-05-31 17:41:44
248.   El Lay Dave
241 Yhency pitched Tuesday, but not yesterday.
2007-05-31 17:43:51
249.   El Lay Dave
Etanislao!
(that looks like something spelled backward, but it isn't)
2007-05-31 17:44:45
250.   El Lay Dave
third time through the order for Bowie, and he should have been hittable anyway.
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2007-05-31 17:45:21
251.   Bluebleeder87
248

thanks Dave, i've been really busy lately.

2007-05-31 17:45:38
252.   Humma Kavula
249 Of course, you CAN say it backwards, which is dociousaliexpilisticfragicalirupus, but that's taking things a bit too far, don't you think?
2007-05-31 17:45:39
253.   El Lay Dave
Full count, way to work it Raffy.
2007-05-31 17:46:18
254.   Gen3Blue
Furcal, Pierre, Nomar, Kent, Gonzolaz ----------O for what? Against who?
2007-05-31 17:47:32
255.   Jon Weisman
246 - Why do you think Grady thinks that having a third setup man behind Broxton and Beimel (given the way Beimel has been used) is more important than having a better starting pitcher?

As much as I don't believe in him long-term, in the short term, Seanez has essentially proven himself capable of being a third setup man.

2007-05-31 17:47:44
256.   bhsportsguy
Has any manager changed pitchers to face Pierre this year?
2007-05-31 17:47:45
257.   Borchard504
Bowie looks tired and old and vulnerable.
2007-05-31 17:47:46
258.   Bluebleeder87
Nice at bat by Furcal making Bowie throw 9 or 10 pitches.
2007-05-31 17:48:23
259.   Sam in SC
furcal hung out to dry again
2007-05-31 17:48:44
260.   Andrew Shimmin
246- He wasn't Little's number one guy today. Or his number two. Hasn't the relative potential value of the fifth starter got to be greater than that of the third most important right handed relief pitcher?

I'm not trying to pick a fight; I genuinely don't think I understand the point you're making.

2007-05-31 17:49:12
261.   Humma Kavula
"Only the speeed of Juan Pierre was able to avoid the double play," says Rick Monday.

Yeah -- and only the bat of Juan Pierre got the grounder to second in the first place.

2007-05-31 17:49:57
262.   Sam in SC
261. monday sees a donut. we see the hole.
2007-05-31 17:50:02
263.   Gen3Blue
The poor Nats know if they have to go to the bull-pen it probably means 5 or 10 runs, but with luck we may have given them enough.
2007-05-31 17:50:09
264.   Jon Weisman
256 - I think some have gone for a platoon advantage against him.
2007-05-31 17:50:20
265.   bhsportsguy
255 Its not more important its just looking at the resources, I think this is a moot argument because Schmidt is going to convince the Dodger management that he should be put back in the rotation and its going to be Wolf, Schmidt, Penny, Lowe, and Kuo for now.

If Kuo can't cut it or something happens to the other guys than Chad will get his chance.

2007-05-31 17:50:49
266.   Andrew Shimmin
256- LaRussa did. I remember it well. It was awesome.
2007-05-31 17:51:07
267.   El Lay Dave
261 On a 1-0 pitch just after the previous batter walked. Yuck.
2007-05-31 17:52:41
268.   thinkblue0
jumping in late, so don't know if this has been discussed...

but isn't it about time we give bills a chance in lurtch's spot?

2007-05-31 17:53:16
269.   D4P
JARBISFN
2007-05-31 17:53:25
270.   Sam in SC
268. oh, no. it hasn't come up at all ;)
2007-05-31 17:53:44
271.   Andrew Shimmin
LaRussa did it three times! I'd forgotten that.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN200705140.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN200705150.shtml (x2)

2007-05-31 17:54:03
272.   El Lay Dave
This would be a good time for Kent to crank one out.
2007-05-31 17:54:30
273.   overkill94
So here's how I would like to see things work out:

Saturday
Kuo called up to start, LaRoche sent down -- Abreu stays around in a platoon with Betemit while getting spot starts at 2B and SS

Soon
Martinez DFAed, Kemp called up -- with Abreu as the new utility guy, Martinez is redundant (and not a good player). Kemp goes into a platoon with Ethier and spot starts for LuGo and Pierre occasionally

Once Schmit is ready
Hendrickson traded or DFAed -- Billingsley continues to be the multi-inning setup guy, Tomko goes to long relief. Billingsley is next in line in case Kuo falters.

Eventual Roster
C - Martin, Lieberthal
1B - Nomar, Saenz
2B - Kent (Abreu)
SS - Furcal (Abreu)
3B - Betemit, Abreu
OF - LuGo, Pierre, Ethier, Kemp, Clark

SP - Schmidt, Lowe, Penny, Kuo, Wolf (Billingsley)
RP - Saito, Broxton, Billingsley, Beimel, Tomko, Seanez, Brazoban

2007-05-31 17:54:51
274.   neuroboy002
Kent! first pitch swinging... again. Make him prove to you he can throw a strike.
2007-05-31 17:55:17
275.   neuroboy002
And his atbat is wasted.
2007-05-31 17:56:07
276.   Bluebleeder87
267

i've trained my mind not to feel anything when i see that

2007-05-31 17:57:05
277.   thinkblue0
273-

Really like your ideas there. With Abreu, Martinez does become redundant, but I can't see us getting rid of him.

Hendrickson really has to go, so that'll be interesting to see what happens. With our surplus of pitching we can pretty much afford to either DFA him or trade him for a bag of balls.

2007-05-31 17:57:35
278.   El Lay Dave
Hey, another single. And now the right man is at the plate.
2007-05-31 17:57:38
279.   twerp
219. "geez when dodgers are considering calling up Houlton who is horrible..."

If you'll check around I think you'll find Houlton's stats much improved from last year and Dodger brass talking about how better command of his FB is a big reason why.

IMO, the worst he would do is the equivalent of Bombdrickson. He did that well the year he was with the team, and he's improved over that. At least he should have upside.

Probably a moot point. Wouldn't appear he's likely to get a shot unless there are injuries.

2007-05-31 17:57:50
280.   Andrew Shimmin
273- Had enough of LaRoche, have you?
2007-05-31 17:58:38
281.   Bluebleeder87
if Martin hits it out i'm gonna go on happy overload
2007-05-31 17:58:44
282.   thinkblue0
274-

Normally I can't stand that either, but that was a fastball right in his wheelhouse. I'm okay with him taking that shot there...

2007-05-31 17:59:34
283.   bhsportsguy
One, I think they didn't want to use up a lot of innings with Chad when the season started, which is why they took him out of the starter's role to begin with.

Two, starting with that extra inning game against the Padres, Chad really began to be a dominant and efficient pitcher but he was also adjusting to the bullpen.

Three, Tsao, brillant in the first month (or lucky based on BABIP) blew up in Atlanta and was shut down later in May, Brazoban had been shaky to begin with and now with his exit today, his immediate future is questionable.

Four, only Derek Lowe has shown that he can get into the 7th inning on any consistent basis, so Grady is thinking that he needs to get 3+ innings each night and for Tomko is only used in blowouts (either way), Seanez had been that guy before, and with Tsao/Yhency not securing that role and the desire not to overuse his main 3 guys, that is where Chad fits in for now.

Okay I'm done. Actually, and this relates to the offense, since they are not scoring as many runs as they did last year, the margin is smaller so I think managers become even more hesitant to change something that is working.

2007-05-31 18:00:05
284.   overkill94
280 He needs to start all the time wherever he is, so I'd rather give Betemit another extended audition. Abreu works better as a utility guy since he can play anywhere and he seems like the kind of guy who has a less high-maintenance swing.

In closing, yes, but only for the short-term. I hope that he tears up AAA pitching and becomes our starting 3B next year.

2007-05-31 18:00:59
285.   El Lay Dave
282 I agree. The #4 hitter should be someone looking to tattoo a mistake almost completely irrespective of count.
2007-05-31 18:02:04
286.   Humma Kavula
3-1 now. Hopefully Martin gets a good pitch here...
2007-05-31 18:03:05
287.   El Lay Dave
Who did Grady put on deck?
2007-05-31 18:03:16
288.   El Lay Dave
Who did Grady put on deck?
2007-05-31 18:03:17
289.   El Lay Dave
Who did Grady put on deck?
2007-05-31 18:04:19
290.   Humma Kavula
oh well.
2007-05-31 18:05:54
291.   El Lay Dave
Well, at least they got a look at it there.

Sorry about the rare triple post.

2007-05-31 18:06:47
292.   Andrew Shimmin
Tomko isn't a horrible pitcher. I don't see the point in reserving him exclusively for blowouts. He's not a good pitcher, so there's no special reason for him to pitch any more than the bare minimum, but if he really is only going to be used in blowouts from here on out, better to ship him off and let Houlton be that guy, for free. There are plenty of teams with a fifth starter worse than Tomko. The Dodgers, for example, so long as Hendrickson continues to be the fifth starter.
2007-05-31 18:08:54
293.   Bluebleeder87
we cut the lead in half so i'm still optimistic.
2007-05-31 18:09:08
294.   overkill94
292 Might as well keep him around as extra insurance instead of giving him away for free. He can pitch in games like today and keep it fairly close and I wouldn't be afraid to use him late in a game if we're up by four runs or more. Not a true mop-up guy, but not quite a setup guy.
2007-05-31 18:12:25
295.   underdog
Tomko looks so much better as a reliever (I'm sure I'm jinxing the inning here) than as a starter, in these 1-2 inning chunks. I could see him, as Andrew says, being used more and more, and especially if Bills is switched to starter at some point.

Not that I mind, but the Nats' announcers sure do like to take extra long pauses between saying anything.

2007-05-31 18:13:01
296.   Branch Rickey
Let there be no doubt, our pitching depth exceeds anything most teams could hope for. When you have solid to all-star starters in 4 positions and the 5th spot can be filled by the likes of Billingsley, Kuo, Tomko, Hendrickson, Houlton - all major league caliber pitchers whether you like them or not- and a bullpen with no holes in it including two of the best relievers in the league... you have serious depth. The pitchers named above may not be great but I would bet at least 2 or 3 of them can step up to be better than most any #5 starter in the league. Ask the Yankees what pitching depth means.
2007-05-31 18:13:27
297.   bhsportsguy
Another frustrated offense, Shawn Chacon channeling his Yankee days, 5 IP, 0 ER, 7 strike outs against the Padres.
2007-05-31 18:13:33
298.   underdog
Well, I did jinx it I guess. Maybe those chunks should be 1 inning.
2007-05-31 18:14:35
299.   bhsportsguy
If there is anywhere to be a flyball pitcher, DC is the place.
2007-05-31 18:19:36
300.   Sam in SC
did wilson valdez clear waivers?
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2007-05-31 18:19:47
301.   Bluebleeder87
Betemit comes threw again in a pinch hitting role
2007-05-31 18:20:28
302.   bhsportsguy
Boy if only Betemit could do once a game as a starter, we would be a much better team. (of course I mean on average, not everyday)
2007-05-31 18:20:34
303.   Branch Rickey
300. Yes
2007-05-31 18:21:14
304.   bhsportsguy
300 Yep. He's playing SS for Vegas.

Shawn Chacon is shutting down the Pirates through 6.

2007-05-31 18:21:22
305.   neuroboy002
I'm really hoping last year wasn't a fluke and that Ethier really is a .300 hitter.
2007-05-31 18:23:56
306.   Sam in SC
303,304 - thanks.

(ah, I see. I misgoogled him as "valdes")

2007-05-31 18:25:34
307.   Bob Timmermann
Abreu contributes with D4P's favorite type of out!
2007-05-31 18:27:56
308.   Borchard504
Don Sutton and his leader are putting me to sleep.
2007-05-31 18:28:33
309.   Borchard504
Not enough Don Sutton is the reason. Acerbic, he is. I like it.
2007-05-31 18:30:14
310.   D4P
307
Shocking self-sacrifice from such a young player. That really bodes well.

On another note, one of the 7 spelling bee finalists is surprisingly good looking for a speller.

2007-05-31 18:30:18
311.   Bluebleeder87
Lyons made a good point in that Abreu & Furcal should have worked the count allot better, but instead they swung at the first pitch they saw. We're getting closer 4-6 so there's still a chance.
2007-05-31 18:30:52
312.   D4P
Pierre needs to hit more flyballs.
2007-05-31 18:32:19
313.   alexx
Hunter Pence would be a nice addition to our team.
2007-05-31 18:35:52
314.   Andrew Shimmin
310- If you get an unexpected package from Eric Enders in the next couple of days, I advise you not to open it.
2007-05-31 18:36:41
315.   JoeyP
When you have solid to all-star starters in 4 positions

The Dodgers probably have the 3rd best starting rotation in the NL West.

2007-05-31 18:37:02
316.   D4P
314
Well, the speller I'm talking about has a gender advantage over Double E.
2007-05-31 18:37:28
317.   Bob Timmermann
314
I now have a large poster of Eric Enders up in my bedroom.

But I think I've said too much...

2007-05-31 18:37:34
318.   JoeyP
El Gigantor!
2007-05-31 18:37:50
319.   Sam DC
Actually I'm home. Tomorrow night I go see Jake Peavy strike out 16 Nationals. I get to sit in Aramark's Diamond Club seats which they gave me in response to the complaint letter I wrote after a cashier abandoned our line after I waited in it for forty minutes on opening day and then shoved me when I complained.

It's a longer story than that. In fact, I wrote a letter. Bob has seen it. He said it looked like it was scratched out in a Montana cabin.

2007-05-31 18:38:45
320.   bhsportsguy
319 Letter or manifesto?
2007-05-31 18:39:17
321.   scareduck
319 - He said it looked like it was scratched out in a Montana cabin.

Yours or their reply?

2007-05-31 18:40:35
322.   Bob Timmermann
320
I think "letter" and "manifesto" are now templates on Microsoft Word. You go to "Page" and then "Style."

I think they've also built in a Manifesto Wizard.

2007-05-31 18:41:11
323.   Borchard504
Very nice by Gonzo.
2007-05-31 18:41:21
324.   Sam in SC
martin gets another chance to tie it up.
2007-05-31 18:41:45
325.   bhsportsguy
322 That's funny because its true.
2007-05-31 18:42:09
326.   Andrew Shimmin
If Hendrickson makes his next start, and gives up at least four runs, he'll tie the Dodger record for consecutive games yielding four or more runs. Three Dodgers hold that distinction: Goltz, Valenzuela, and Tomko.
2007-05-31 18:43:26
327.   bhsportsguy
Too far in front for Russell (just guessing since I can't see the game here)
2007-05-31 18:44:21
328.   Andrew Shimmin
326- I should say that's an L.A. record.
2007-05-31 18:45:39
329.   Sam in SC
327. he got around on that pitch unbelievably fast. he must have heard us talking about him tying it up.

argh. and he k's looking.

2007-05-31 18:46:09
330.   Hallux Valgus
326 That's actually pretty impressive. When the Rockies talk "most consecutive starts allowing 4 or more runs," they call it "1998."
2007-05-31 18:46:39
331.   Andrew Shimmin
Does gameday have strike three about half a foot outside?
2007-05-31 18:46:51
332.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
That pitch looked VERY outside

WWSH

2007-05-31 18:47:13
333.   neuroboy002
I'm really curious about this, but do people here want Jeff Kent for next year?
2007-05-31 18:47:26
334.   Gen3Blue
I have something to say, which I can't say at this point.
2007-05-31 18:47:41
335.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 331

Shows you that gameday can be more accurate than the umpire.

WWSH

2007-05-31 18:47:46
336.   MMSMikey
we'll be looking for that makeup call next inning, blu.
2007-05-31 18:47:50
337.   Bob Timmermann
Brian Bohanon started 12 straight games for the Rockies where he gave up four or more runs.
2007-05-31 18:48:06
338.   Bluebleeder87
Russell Martin has a good eye.
2007-05-31 18:48:22
339.   Andrew Shimmin
Unless what Lyons means by "frame that pitch" is that Schneider payed the umpire to call it a strike, I don't understand what he's complimenting him for.
2007-05-31 18:49:22
340.   bhsportsguy
Do you think if Russell put his glove in that spot and had Broxton hit it, that would be showing up the umpire?
2007-05-31 18:49:29
341.   Bob Timmermann
Andy Hassler has the longest streak of 4+ runs allowed games as a starter since 1957 with 13 for the Angels in 1975 and 1976.
2007-05-31 18:49:42
342.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
It looked outside to me initially, and then I went back on Tivo. Definitely outside, framing or no framing.

WWSH

2007-05-31 18:49:53
343.   Andrew Shimmin
337- Hendrickson's personal record is eight. But I don't think he has a reasonable shot at that.
2007-05-31 18:52:09
344.   Bob Timmermann
Andrew,
Are there any other criteria for your streak other than being a starter and giving up 4+ runs?

Because I have a different leader.

His name is Koufax.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/qVJK

2007-05-31 18:55:25
345.   Sam DC
Didn't Telly Savalas play that guy?
2007-05-31 18:58:22
346.   Sam in SC
don sutton and his masm friend really like grady little, don't they?

they bring up his demise with the red sox altogether too frequently.

2007-05-31 18:58:58
347.   Sam DC
Shawn Chacon with 7 innings of shutout ball, 10Ks, v. the Pads?

Shawn Chacon?

2007-05-31 19:00:00
348.   Sam in SC
I think the masm play by play guy just wet himself.
2007-05-31 19:01:24
349.   JoeyP
Zimmerman geez.
2007-05-31 19:01:36
350.   Andrew Shimmin
344- I wasn't using as a starter.

Which makes it more weird.

http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/HtEC

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2007-05-31 19:01:39
351.   Borchard504
Sam - i've been listening too, who is Sutton's partner? ZZZZ. If I hear one more time how great it is that there's 18000 in attendance, and 22000 the other night, I am gonna walk the plank.
Why did Sutton not get any interest from the Dodgers when he split from Atlanta?
2007-05-31 19:01:52
352.   D4P
Shawn Chacon?

I wondered the same thing.

2007-05-31 19:02:28
353.   Andrew Shimmin
Or less weird, since Koufax pitched in relief at the end of '59, breaking up his streak.
2007-05-31 19:03:34
354.   El Lay Dave
Zimmerman hits it a little farther it's a three-true outcome inning for Broxton so far.
2007-05-31 19:04:08
355.   JoeyP
At least Broxton's getting scored upon in a game that was probably already lost.
2007-05-31 19:05:06
356.   scareduck
Goof.
2007-05-31 19:05:21
357.   neuroboy002
JB - Throws it away. We were close. Lit up.
2007-05-31 19:05:31
358.   Bluebleeder87
we're getting a good old fashioned spanking today by an inferior team. It's o.k. getting slapped back to reality every now & again.
2007-05-31 19:05:34
359.   bhsportsguy
355 But now he has been hit two out of his three outings.
2007-05-31 19:05:54
360.   alexx
Just curious: have the Dodgers thrown anyone out at home from the outfield this year?
2007-05-31 19:05:57
361.   El Lay Dave
355 But it was only a two-run game. Stranger things have happened than a two-run (or more) ninth.

Moot point.

2007-05-31 19:06:01
362.   Gen3Blue
I'll say it later.
2007-05-31 19:06:32
363.   El Lay Dave
Why isn't Hendrickson in to mop-up? Oh, wait.
2007-05-31 19:06:42
364.   Sam DC
Sutton's partner is Bob Carpenter of scorebook making and Cardinal loving fame. Sutton is beloved by Nationals' fans; Carpenter not so much.
2007-05-31 19:07:35
365.   Sam in SC
351. I wondered the same thing about sutton. I was surprised to see him doing the nats broadcast; I thought he had just dropped of the face of the earth.

it's seems like it would be such a natural job for him that you suspect there is a conflict with sutton somewhere in the organization.

2007-05-31 19:07:38
366.   Bluebleeder87
at least the office comes out today.
2007-05-31 19:07:44
367.   Hallux Valgus
360 LuGo to Furcal to Martin happened once.
2007-05-31 19:08:54
368.   scareduck
Somebody was saying something about the Dodgers' pitching adequacy (sp?).
2007-05-31 19:09:13
369.   El Lay Dave
Time for Lucille II to pitch.
2007-05-31 19:09:15
370.   Sam in SC
has bob carpenter has a sex change operation recently? he seems, uh, "disoriented" in unguarded moments of excitement.
2007-05-31 19:09:35
371.   Bluebleeder87
i think you mean MASN Sam, no?
2007-05-31 19:09:44
372.   ToyCannon
Number one pick in 2004 is done as a SS and headed to the mound.
http://tinyurl.com/2thsou

Nice that he has options. I expect SD would like to do that draft pick over. You don't go cheap with the number one pick. EVER

2007-05-31 19:10:11
373.   El Lay Dave
Well, they might as well get it out of their system tonight. Serve up them gopher balls!
2007-05-31 19:10:52
374.   D4P
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a Spelling Bee champion.
2007-05-31 19:12:11
375.   alexx
367 Oh yeah, I remember that. Good thing Furcal's on the team.
2007-05-31 19:12:49
376.   Sam in SC
371. masm was more fun to type
2007-05-31 19:13:55
377.   El Lay Dave
No save for you Mr. Cordero! Come back one year.
2007-05-31 19:15:16
378.   El Lay Dave
A leadoff walk, what a concept.
2007-05-31 19:15:20
379.   D4P
Padres have tied their game in the top of the 9th.
2007-05-31 19:16:00
380.   Bluebleeder87
the Nats manager still needs some more classes on how to look when the camera is on him.
2007-05-31 19:17:04
381.   Bluebleeder87
379

darn it.

2007-05-31 19:17:53
382.   Sam in SC
379 - maybe hoffman will go benitez
2007-05-31 19:19:54
383.   Sam in SC
380. they are new to this tv thingy.
2007-05-31 19:22:04
384.   Sam in SC
and that's a wrap.

I suppose something had to happen after kicking their muppet 10-0 and 5-0.

baseball is a cruel and unfeeling, uh, matron.

2007-05-31 19:22:12
385.   Bluebleeder87
We took the series so it's all good, we should be o.k. in Pittsburgh also. I can't wait for the S.D. series.
2007-05-31 19:24:49
386.   Borchard504
I am happy - no more Nats broadcaster, Sam's buddy...
2007-05-31 19:25:50
387.   D4P
Beisbol gratis en el Burgo de Pitts
2007-05-31 19:27:12
388.   Sam in SC
I was looking for news on broz, and read that the marlins are about to "acquire" benitez. unusual verb for basically hauling away someone else's garbage.

http://tinyurl.com/2ts8xv

2007-05-31 19:27:27
389.   Gen3Blue
I have to say it. Grady went into this game content to get 2 of 3. And when you don't go in to win, you will get killed. He had several better choices for a starting pitcher, but he didn't want to upset his rotation and his relaxed resting.
Russell Martin wanted to win--I could tell. You won't keep him omn a team that chooses when to win
I hope this strategy works on the Mets and the Padres.
2007-05-31 19:28:29
390.   Sam in SC
386. the guy screams like a girl when he gets excited. I am sure he was a chick not too long ago . . .
2007-05-31 19:29:06
391.   El Lay Dave
UPDATE: Brazoban has posterior shoulder pain and will undergo an MRI tomorrow in Pittsburgh.

From Diamond Leung's blog.

2007-05-31 19:30:26
392.   Sam in SC
387 - "Beisbol free in the Town of Pitts"? babelfish can be wildly unreliable . . .
2007-05-31 19:32:53
393.   Sam in SC
391 - gracias (trying to keep in the spirit of #387)

perhaps I am looking too hard for a silver lining, but the shoulder is better than the elbow.

2007-05-31 19:33:40
394.   Gen3Blue
Well, The D's lose a game and rip a guys arm up. But at least they played veterans, and didn't threaten to reduce payroll of their pals.
I guess its good that Brox gets to have an inev. bad outing when it couldn't concievably count.
2007-05-31 19:39:44
395.   thinkingblue
I guess its good that Brox gets to have an inev. bad outing when it couldn't concievably count.

Baseball is a very cynical sport huh?

2007-05-31 19:41:48
396.   thinkingblue
A game like this really makes me wonder why guys like Tomko and Hendrickson are given chances to be a rotation in the first place,especially with the dodges having Billingsley and Kuo, and as it appears neither will be soon enough.
2007-05-31 19:43:43
397.   Bluebleeder87
this is what i found on posterior shoulder pain on wikipedia In anatomy, it refers to body parts near the rear of the body. it sounds like it's the back of his shoulder
2007-05-31 19:44:11
398.   El Lay Dave
394 It's not as if they misused Brazoban.

389 Starting pitchers have to be planned in advance so they are properly rested. It's not going to be changed on the day of the game.

2007-05-31 19:46:26
399.   Bob Timmermann
I don't even know what 389 meant?
2007-05-31 19:47:09
400.   El Lay Dave
396 Billingsley and Kuo are not ready for the rigors of a 180 - 200 inning season yet. Holding down their innings now allows them to replace Tomdrickson when they (inevitably) cease to be effective. If your choice is to have the kids start the season and be burned out for the stretch run, or hold them back and pitch them later, and you think they are better anyway, isn't this the better course?
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2007-05-31 19:47:11
401.   Bob Timmermann
Much anger in Pittsburgh after Josh Bard's home run is taken off the board and changed to a double.

Padres still lead 3-2 in the 11th.

2007-05-31 19:47:48
402.   Sam in SC
397. or the part that looks the most like kaz ishii.
2007-05-31 19:48:42
403.   El Lay Dave
399 if 389 wanted Billingsley, my response is that Chad would have started today on three days rest, not a good thing.
2007-05-31 19:50:52
404.   Daniel B
401 why was it changed to a double?
2007-05-31 19:50:53
405.   Sam DC
What kind of double was it? Gameday says "ground rule" but we all know how that goes.
2007-05-31 19:52:11
406.   Bob Timmermann
404
Because the ball didn't go over the fence. The ball bounced off the top of the railing in right field.

It was a very tough call.

Bard and Black were ejected.

But again, the Padres still lead 3-2 with a runner on 2nd and no outs and the Pirates having to face either Meredith or Hoffman.

2007-05-31 19:53:13
407.   Bob Timmermann
It really wasn't a "ground rule" double, but the umpires had to figure out someplace to put Bard. So they settled on second.
2007-05-31 19:54:47
408.   El Lay Dave
Apparently Sharpless is flat.
2007-05-31 19:54:51
409.   twerp
Four runs would be enough for this team to win, if it got something like the usual pitching. Or at least have the game in doubt.

The team needs to make a decisive--and correct--change at starter #5, while hoping Schmidt comes back somewhere near what he was the last few years.

If there were no better choices available, the team would be justified in sticking with the likes of Tomko and Lurch and hoping to go .500 in their starts.

But there are at least two better choices, not counting Schmidt.

Kuo and Bills would do no worse than Tomko and Lurch have done lately. What's the risk?

No more starts from Tomdrickson.

Make the move. Now.

2007-05-31 19:54:54
410.   still bevens
Folks on Baseball Tonight are speculating that Bard will be suspended for a good amount of games (5-10). Hopefully that stretches out into our series.
2007-05-31 19:56:14
411.   El Lay Dave
406 The ball bounced off the top of the railing in right field.
And back onto the field? If it went into the stands, isn't an in-play railing kinda stupid?
2007-05-31 19:56:46
412.   Andrew Shimmin
403- That's only an issue because Hendrickson wasn't yanked from the rotation after his last start. If the decision had been made then, Billingsley could have been ready. Little didn't have any choice, this afternoon, but to start Hendrickson, but he could have if he'd wanted one. If the announcement isn't made today that Hendrickson is out, it probably means he'll start again. And get his shot at a share of a very specific, completely unimportant record.
2007-05-31 19:57:29
413.   El Lay Dave
410 Suspension?? Did he strike an umpire?
2007-05-31 19:58:04
414.   Andrew Shimmin
Bowen's been having a better year than Bard, anyway. Maybe he'll get suspended in the bottom of the inning, and they'll have to use Robles!
2007-05-31 19:58:47
415.   Bob Timmermann
410
Any suspension by Bard would be appealed and deferred to some time when it coincides with a hamstring pull or a hurt thumb.

Such are the way of baseball suspensions.

2007-05-31 19:59:29
416.   Andrew Shimmin
413- Bumped him. I'd like to have see it again, since with only the one viewing, it seems possible he only ran into the ump by ricochet off the third base coach. Which would have to mitigate the offense, I'd think.
2007-05-31 20:00:25
417.   El Lay Dave
403 I agree, but my point was intended only to be that 389 starts with "Grady went into this game content to get 2 of 3." In agreement with what you wrote, the first two games in D.C. have no bearing on who started today.

410 He'll appeal any suspension anyway, so he'll probably still be playing when they meet the Dodgers.

2007-05-31 20:00:35
418.   Bob Timmermann
Bard did appear to bump one of the umpires. He ran out of the dugout in George Brett style.

The ball hit a railing that keeps people in the RF seats from plunging to their deaths on the field.

The ball bounced back into the field.

It likely won't matter as it's 4-2 Padres with Hoffman in.

2007-05-31 20:01:37
419.   El Lay Dave
416 IIRC, bumping is not usually 5-10 games, more like 1-3?
2007-05-31 20:03:19
420.   Andrew Shimmin
417- Ah ha! I didn't scroll back up and re-read the one you were responding to; so, uh, never mind.
2007-05-31 20:05:20
421.   El Lay Dave
418 The railing is the top of the fence?

The ball hit a railing that keeps people in the RF seats from plunging to their deaths on the field.
Are Buc's fans that close to suicidal? RFK probably needs a rail like that; from what I've read, the place already smells like death.

I can understand a player hating to lose a HR, but the Padres already led; going ballistic is a bit much.

2007-05-31 20:14:46
422.   El Lay Dave
Schmidt is supposed to throw on the side Friday, maybe in the pen in Pittsburgh so Grady, Honeycutt et al. can witness. If looks great, is he possible for Tuesday, when Hendrickson's slot comes up again? If Yhency's MRI is bad, is Billingsley doomed to stay in the pen, with Kuo getting Saturday's start? Or is there no way Ned/Grady will rush Schmidt like that? Or... ah, better just wait and see.
2007-05-31 20:24:58
423.   Bluebleeder87
Looks like we're in a 2 way tie with the D-Backs & half a game lead on the Pads. it looks like we're gonna be on a hell of a ride this season.
2007-05-31 20:26:27
424.   Sam in SC
419. yeah, but 5-10 often gets reduced on appeal to something more like 3-5.
2007-05-31 20:28:50
425.   Sushirabbit
...from Nashville...
took my 5 year old to the 51s v Sounds game tonight. Decent crowd we were a few rows up from the 51s Dugout (1st base side). Umpire had a moving strike zone. Juarez wasn't sharp, started hanging some. So, my son was willing to go down to sit by the bullpen to watch eckert warm up and I was hoping Miller, too. Not 3 minutes later, guess who shows up? David Price. I tried and tried to get my son to go up and say "hi" or get him to sign something, but he's still a bit shy. It sounded like Lamura got him tickets. A few minutes later the whole entourage and various Vandy teammates appear. Sitting all around us. They were all friendly and soft spoken. I'm trying to watch Eckert warm up and a foul comes our way, misses Prices finger tips by a couple inches and grazes one of the cute girls.

Miller had some control sturggles warming up and pitching. He looked like hes coming around on top, and rotating his hand out too much. Hard to say, my eyes are not any good anymore, plus I had 3 hours sleep last night in preparation for a weekend in Atlanta. It was very cool to see Price and the Vandy guys. I told them I'm a UT guy and I was rooting for them.

Saw a good number of Dodger hats and shirts. I think I was the only one with the DT T-shirt, though.

Now I'm off to catch the Tivo'd game. I'm sorry I'll miss most of the comments for the next few days, but no time. Oh yeah, Loney made some great plays in the outfield. Wilson Valdez looks good in the field.

2007-05-31 20:29:36
426.   Sam in SC
423 - SD and Az have been on some hellacious winning streaks lately. both are like 8-2 in their last 10, which is what got them to the top of the standings. Az has won 7 or 8 in a row, in fact.

I think SD will be there in the end, but I am not so sure about Az.

2007-05-31 20:31:56
427.   Jon Weisman
Is the Canadian spelling finalist from last year back this year?
2007-05-31 20:43:48
428.   Eric Enders
427 No, it was a new kid who finished second.

I wonder if they went out of their way to avoid giving him "colour" or "organise."

2007-05-31 20:44:25
429.   Eric Enders
Oh, dang it. I just realized I probably shouldn't have said that. Stupid tape delays.
2007-05-31 20:47:43
430.   Sharkie
Braz's injury: Anyone think his mechanics contributed to his shoulder injury? He seems to finish high and he's throwing across his body, slinging his arm around.
2007-05-31 20:49:34
431.   capdodger
Well... That was an ugly game. The only thing of beauty from my seat was Russ Martin's frozen rope of a home run. Over the 410 sign an 20-30 feet up the wall. Sweet.

For what it's worth, I would have replace Hendirckson after the trainer came out for a visit. Look at it as an opportunity to make a change without having to plan ahead.

2007-05-31 20:55:55
432.   Hallux Valgus
From this week's SI Pop Culture Grid with Russ Martin:
People say I look like: Turtle from Entourage
Best nickname you ever had: Turtle
Shrek reminds me of: Jonathan Broxton

FYI: LeBron basically just beat the Pistons by himself in double OT by scoring the last 25 points.

2007-05-31 21:06:02
433.   capdodger
432 Shrek reminds me of: Jonathan Broxton

So who is Donkey then?

2007-05-31 21:21:09
434.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2007-05-31 22:12:16
435.   Greg Brock
A workmanlike effort from Evan O'Dorney. He didn't preen. He didn't faint. Nary a magic finger to be found. The young man just went out there and got a job done. A win for the ages.

Booya.

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