Who knows how the front office makes its decisions, but I at least get the feeling that we should all thank Grady for getting Ned to let the kids play. And Ned for being willing to listen to his field manager.

WWSH

Nice writeup Jon.

Just wondering what will happen when Ramon and Marlon are ready to come off the DL?

1 I agree with that sentiment. The fact that Ned & Grady have a productive working relationship is a huge net positive for the club.

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. What a conniving and hypocritical name. That in itself is enough to fill me with disdain. That's like something called a "juice/drink," and you look carefully at the label and it contains .001% real juice.

WWSH

I agree as well that it's nice to see them have a good relationship.

I am curious as to why you think it was Grady getting Ned to let the kids play and not the other way around. I am not disagreeing with you I really have no clue, just curious...

2 Just a guess, but I think Abreu will get demoted if/when Lucille II comes back, since Lucille II can play SS.

I think Marlon's comeback (probably sooner than Martinez) will push one of Tomko/Hendrickson/Seanez off the roster.

This may be a pipe dream, but Brazoban & Tsao coming back could mean all of Tomrickseanez is off the roster.

Nice write up Jon. And it is certainly fun to take a stand here and be right, especially when few agree with you. So take your bows on Betemit. I'm sure it'll be pointed out when you take a stand and you're wrong!
I think Tomko found out his role last night. I believe his next role will be an "assignment".

4 The Los Angeles Angels were a PCL team from 1903 until 1957. The name has been around a long time and has a great history behind it. Not to mention the Angels themselves were the LA Angels from 1960 until 1965. They were named the California Angels from 1965 until 1996, then renamed the Los Angeles Angels again in 2005. The "of Anaheim" is merely there to fulfill the terms of their contract with the city of Anaheim.

From Wikipedia:

Autry named the new franchise the Los Angeles Angels. The origins of the name date back to 1892, when it was first used by a Los Angeles franchise in the California League. The Angel moniker has always been natural for Los Angeles teams, since The Angels is a literal English translation of the Spanish Los Angeles. It was also a nod to the long-successful PCL team that played in Los Angeles from 1903 through 1957. O'Malley still owned the rights to the Angels name even after moving the team to Spokane to make way for the Dodgers, so Autry paid O'Malley $300,000 for the rights to the name.

Finally, I'll add that the term "Los Angeles" is often used to broadly refer to the entire area encompassing Ventura, Los Angeles, Riverside, and Orange Counties, particularly in the rest of the country. I always tell people I'm from LA originally, though I was born in OC and only later lived in LA proper for 7 years.

Jon, I don't know that I've ever taken a "stand" on Betemit, but I will definitely give you props for sticking by him. Looking back on who we've used at 3B this year, of the three I'd say I'm most comfortable with Betemit for this season and would love to see Saenz there for some lefties.

Last night on Dodger Talk a caller said that Derek Lowe has been ripping Dodger fans as unsupportive. Whats that about?

From the interview with Kent in the Times:

I was there in 2002. We [the Giants] were six to seven to eight outs away from winning the World Series. They had taken the plastic off the lockers and brought the champagne in. The guys on the bench were giddy, going back and forth to the clubhouse and it was all taken away from us by the Angels.

I had no idea the Giants were tempting fate by slipping into the clubhouse and getting ready for the celebration. I am so so happy the Angels stuck it to the Giants in such wonderful fashion.

4. Actually, there is a standard amount of real fruit juice that a product must contain in order for the label to read juice. That is why Ocean Spray always sold "Cranberry Cocktail" as it was only 15% cranberry juice and the rest was high fructose corn syrup. Northland trumped them by saying that they sold 100% cranberry juice, but what they did was use the same 15% cranberry juice and the rest was pear and apple juice. The drinks you are talking about are usually referred to as fruit drinks.

10. Quoting DodgerTalk callers on Dodger issues is like quoting kindergarden students on educational policy. If it appears in the press there's a 50% chance it's true. If it's from a caller on DodgerTalk, there's a 2% chance it's true and a 70% chance that the caller dialed the wrong number or was actually referring to Terrell Owens.

10. Maybe you misheard and he said that the offense was being unsupportive.

The only Angels in Los Angeles are dead Dodgers.

Saw it on a TShirt last night. Made me laugh. Arte's deal must be working if we have to make T-Shirts to remind people that LA is only big enough for one team. I hope one team takes two of three and that we don't have a sweep at either teams expense.

We have a pitcher in the bullpen whose minor league nickname was "Sugar Britches". A guy who played with him in the minors yelled it at him and he busted up laughing and then came over and talked for a few minutes.

How difficult is it to keep a core of players together these days? I look back at the stability of the 1970's and wonder whether or not we are coming into a group similar to what we had then. I guess 2B is up in the air, but certainly Martin, Loney, Furcal, and Betemit have the potential to hold their positions for years to come.

I loved rooting for the Piazza, Karros, Mondesi tandem back when they were all playing together and wish we could put together something similar with these guys. Is this an unrealistic dream?

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We are unsupportive. I was taught only to boo lack of effort, never results for your home team. The player feels bad enough about subpar results, they don't need booing cascading on them to remind them that they didn't do the job.

Brilliant write-up, Jon

Catcher: Martin played 10 straight days earlier in the season, but he did have a half day off in there during a blowout. The Dodgers have an off-day in each of their last three weeks of the season, so if Grady will just give him enough rest now, as in one day off a week ( counting team days off ) as you say, he might be able to start the last 20 games or so during the stretch drive.

First Base: I think it was easy to bench Nomar the first two times, because he had played so much before that. I think it's going to be harder and harder to bench him 2-3 times a week from now on, especially if he starts grumbling a bit. And yet young Loney needs at least 3 starts a week, really more. I think this is the most fascinating human drama to be played out over the next few weeks.

Second: I'm souring on Kent a bit, maybe not so much for this year, but definitely for next year. Another reason to win the World Series!

Short: Yeah, Furcal needs some days off.

Third: Is there any good reason for Betemit to ever sit against a righty starter again?

Outfield: As long as Pierre keeps on with the multiple on-base games, I don't think he'll sit. If he has another oh-fer-pop up series, then he probably will. But I'm not convinced that management is convinced Kemp or Ethier can play center more than occasionally. Ethier really seems like the odd man out here. Kemp is superman!

Pitching: Even with Schmidt maybe struggling, I'm so happy with the pitching now. I think a lot of teams would be happy with Tomko or Houlton as their fifth starters, and they're what, the seventh and eighth options right now? And I love never having to worry that a game I'm attending will be started by a dud pitcher.

If I had to wager, I'd bet D.J. Houlton never wears an LA Dodger uniform again.

Great, great game last night. The most fulfilling, if not most dramatic game, I've watched this season. Loney's homer off Wagner was the capper to a wonderful night.

Kemp looked flat out awesome. Furcal was hitting for extra bases, even if they weren't roped. Pierre played well, both in the field (a couple of nice catches, including the nice adjustment he made on that laser over his head) and at bat (appreciated the hustle on his 2-out hit even though he was thrown out at 2nd. He knows he needs to get into scoring position for Singlin' Nomar, and it's too hard to steal a base with him at the plate).

And go Boom Boom Betemit! Lovin' him.

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With you all the way on that. Ya gotta play the game on the field, not on paper or in ESPN recaps. The 2002 Giants forgot about that.

I think as far as the upcoming Angels series is concerned, as long as our pitchers keep us in the game, we'll have more than ample chances to win all three games. Not enough can be said about how great it is that we finally have all of our "boys" up with the big club. The impact has been immediate and positive and let's all hope it stays that way. The Angels are a good team, not great or a force to be reckoned with but a good team. Everyone knows that they have a great pitching staff and a great bullpen, but so do we. Beyond Vlad though they are significantly weaker top to bottom (offensively) than the Dodgers and a lot of AL clubs. Gary Matthews Juicer and Orlando Cabrera have been playing over their heads for the last few weeks and are destined to fall back in line with what their career numbers dictate that they actually are. Mediocrities. So if we can keep Vlad in check or at least minimize the damage, we have a better than average shot of winning these games. But as we all know it all comes down to which pitching staff is going to "step up" and dominate. I'm hoping it's gonna be our starting three but something about the former Dodger run Angels always gives me an uneasy feeling.

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The baseball gods did not want Dusty Baker to give Russ Ortiz the game ball when he left the mound in Game 6.

The 2002 World Series had the potential to be:
1) won by the Giants
2) with Russ Ortiz getting the win
3) with Shawon Dunston getting the game-winning hit

Defensive runs above or below average, according to the Hardball Times link Jon provided:

Pierre +8 (!)
Ethier +4
Gonzo -12 ( dang, he gave back all of the good work of the other two )

Nomar -8
Kent -4 ( Only -4? )
Furcal +3

LaRoche +2
Abreu -1
Betemit -4

Those third base numbers can't mean much. Even the other numbers are only two month samples.

Shawon Dunston's OPS+ in 2002, his final season in the majors, was 47.

But Dusty Baker loved him!

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Oof! Those were all ugly propositions. God bless Scott Spiezeo wherever he is.

I'm just glad all my Boom Boom's weren't in vain. I've been yelling Boom Boom all year and everyone was mocking me. Now they are high fiving me and everyone is yelling Boom Boom when he comes up.

Looks like last Thursday was the bottom.

Scott Spiezeo has a shrine at my house. Even my cats were wearing red goats for a week.

From the last thread:

458. ToyCannon
Sure is amazing how many have jumped back on the Boom Boom train. Six weeks ago it was about as light as Nomar's bandwagon is now. I think I'm the only one left on Nomar's.

I agree - and as someone who has had high hopes for Betemit all season, I say "welcome aboard."

I've been able to ride all season on the BoomBoomWagon in part because I watched the Nomar parade go by the day it became clear that he'd be the permanent 1st baseman, before last season. I was tempted by the first half he had last season, but never believed it could last -- hence my "bet" with TC that he'd finish the year with an OPS under .800 (or whatever it was).

Lest I be accused of only pointing out my good guesses, I must admit that Gonzales has been a pleasant surprise so far. I thought he was done.

29 The only thing that scares me about Luis Gonzales having a good year is that it the temptation for Ned to resign him will go through the roof.

Of course, Luis having a nice year and helping the team this year is more important.

How can Pierre be 8 fielding runs above an average center fielder? That is shocking.

29 The only thing that scares me about Luis Gonzales having a good year is that it the temptation for Ned to resign him will go through the roof.

Of course, Luis having a nice year and helping the team this year is more important.

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Lest I be accused of only pointing out my good guesses, I must admit that Gonzales has been a pleasant surprise so far. I thought he was done.

I agree wholeheartedly. I thought the Gonzo signing was terrible and have never been a fan of his. Now I find myself rooting for him when I swore at the time of his signing I would never! I felt the same way about Ricky Ledee and Jose Hernandez in the past but I came around as those years progressed too.

31. Sometimes the only conclusion is that the stat is not good. Any stat that says Juan Pierre is a better than average center fielder is as flawed as Pierre's defense.

Jon, I know you've been wary of the "Martin needs rest" talk, but since you brought it up . . .

You've seemed to suggest that the off days are just as good as the days off. While I partially agree that Grady can use the schedule to help spread out the workload, its the total number of games and total number of innings, that come September, concern me. I'm not sure that the spread of that workload matters that much. I have to give the usual caveat that I have no empirical information to back up this viewpoint. Also, to hear Grady talk about, the amount of deference he gives to the player in determining his own fitness is troubling to me. He's the manager. Its his job to manage the workload.

I hope, as we all do, that better production from the rest of the offense will diminish the need to have Russell out there game after game.

Eddie Murray has been fired and replaced by Bill Mueller. More to come.

36 Whoa. And just after I stopped wondering if Murray's job was in danger. (Not that a few days of decent hitting should make everyone stop worrying about the offense, but it sure made us worry less. And not that the hitting coach should be blamed for all that, but I figured if anyone would, it'd be Murray.)

Mueller? Wow, I would have predicted Mike Easler.

New post up top on Murray, but comments continue here in this thread.

We either have to look at all the defensive numbers and shake our heads and not feel they are worth anything or admit that JP is better then we think. For me, I've given up on defensive rating. I can't cherry pick the ones I like and ignore the ones I don't so I'll just ignore them all and rely on my subjective opinion which seems to be just as worthwhile as these inconsistent numbers.

Just shocked.

Maybe Mueller has been coaching Nomar all along and that is why his power has gone AWOL.

I do think the approach Dodger hitters have often taken this year wasn't always the best, both in (not) working pitch count and in improving swings to fit each hitter's style and potential, and some of that lies with the coaches I guess. Maybe Murray's communication style isn't a plus either?

Id like to see Martin DH a few games on the next road trip. Liberthal is still a good hitter, I think he can contribute if he gets a few more ABs. He probably isn't much of a step below the other DHs we will put out there and its something of a free day off for Martin.

So if Mueller's the interim coach, do you think Easler might be considered for long term?

You would think a patient hitter like Murray preached a patient style.

Mueller was also a very patient hitter. I feel better having him as a hitting coach then Mickey Hatcher.

Branch Rickey is going to be very angry.

The DT version of Branch Rickey, not the dead guy.

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I won the OPS bet but you won the whole bet because it was based on him playing a certain number of games which he didn't do.
If your going to the DT game I'll be happy to buy you the beer unless you want to make it double or nothing that Nomar has on OPS over 800 from now until the DT game?

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The Dodgers swept the Mets because of superior urban and regional planning!

Great write-up.

When a switch-hitter's performance is as historically disparate as Betemit's, what are the chances of the player settling down on one side of the plate? I used to always wonder why Cesar Izturis insisted on switch-hitting when he couldn't hit a lick from the left side. Betemit is a completely different hitter left-handed than he is right. I know it's too late to do it mid-season, but maybe it's something he can work on in the offseason.

Many here have previously proposed moving Nomar to third to make way for Loney --- but do we want him taking time away from Betemit?

22 Don't forget Kotchman, who is a 950 OPS at 1B, and Kendrick is coming on, plus Figgins has been hot lately, and Napoli is no slouch. I think this could be an even series if the Dodgers pitch well, but it could also be an Angels sweep because their pitching doesn't take a day off.

Updates to the Murray post above.

With Mueller being a former switch hitter himself that took lots of pitches---Hopefully the approach improves a little, if the results do not.

Nice of the Yankee's to stomp all over the Diamondbacks.

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Last year at this time is when Ethier went off on the Angels. I wonder if he'll even play this weekend. No Lackey bodes well for the Dodgers. We can handle Santana/Weaver/Escobar. Escobar is coming off that 14 K night so we should shell him.

I think Easler's coming. With Abreu, Loney, Kemp up here it makes sense to have a familiar coach with them.

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You're right I did forget to mention Krotchman. Chone Figgins (hot or not)= Juan Pierre (hot or not) which both = less than zero. Napoli is no Russell Martin (at least not at present anyway). Another sweep by the Angels is a stretch to say the least. I'd be willing to bet just about anything that that doesn't happen. As I said before, it's all gonna come down to who's staff blinks first. Just a thought, but if the Angels staff never takes a day off, wouldn't they be like 66-0 right now?

This might help the team, but that doesn't make me less sad that my favorite player is gone.

I'm going to pour a 40 on the curb for my homey tonight. Preferably a neighbor's curb.

As someone here who has found it odd that Dodgers hitters so seldom have spoken of Murray in the press, it is less surprising to learn that Murray was fired. What's more, though I probably read too much into it, I did find it striking how gushing Kemp was in his praise for Easler.

As for Mueller, he seems to be very close to Ned and that may have been a factor.

Santana/Weaver/Escobar are the same three pitchers that stifled the Dodgers a couple of weeks ago. The Anaheimians aren't playing as badly as the Mets are, either.

A couple of nights ago, we were being swept by Toronto for our 5th loss in 6 games and facing the prospect of nine straight games against the Mets, Angels and Blue Jays. The Dodgers played well against NY, but I can't shake the feeling that that sweep had more to do with the Mets' lousy play (they're slumping badly, and looked absolutely terrible in that series).

I hope I'm wrong. I'd at least like us to improve on that 19-4 aggregate score from the last Freeway Series.

Now we'll never know if Vin Scully ever says the name "Eddie Murray."

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Comedy.

You're right Bob. I'm not very happy. I don't think it was necessary or appropriate to fire a guy in mid-June with the team in first place and coming off a sweep of the Mets.
I don't have a lot of insight and I'm pretty unhappy about it at the moment so maybe I'll write more later. I will say this much: It probably came down to communication. Eddie has an old school attitude about teaching players. If they don't want to listen, he's not going to repeat himself too many times. Many of the players on our team (and around MLB) have an attitude you might be disappointed and even shocked by. He was not one to cater to the modern player and in the end, that's probably why he's gone. He's a good guy and one of the greatest hitters of all time. But times are different and he might just not be a good fit as a coach to current MLB players. It's sad and I think it's disrespectful to one of the few HOFers to be associated with this team.

17- What Lowe is supposed to have said was; "As long as things are going well Dodger fans are fine but the minute things go wrong they jump off the bandwagon".

I just thought there might be a connection between that and his saying that he wasn't planning to stay with the Dodgers after his contract runs out.

8. Being from and living in Vta County, I will not tell people within the country that I am from LA for convenience. I may say that I live near LA, if their California geography is not up to snuff. I shudder at being lumped in with LA geographically. I will only say I live in LA, when travelling overseas, because it's one of only a few US cities that they will know. I like living near LA, emphasis on the near. vr, Xei

I think the youth movement was fueled by several sources. The recent series in San Diego may have been a case of short-term bad, long-term good. The team appeared old. Particularly Nomar and Kent on defense when they badly failed Broxton. I also think the brutal schedule is a factor. Not much rest after today and Monday -- something like 20 consecutive games going into the break.

I am in the minority here in that I commend the Dodgers not just for promoting the kids, but equally so, for waiting as long as they did. Teaching needed to be done, in my view, and the best classroom was Triple-A, especially for Kemp. I really like that Kemp got another 150 ABs to work with Easler in a league filled with 4A types/former major leaguer who can manipulate a younger hitter. Also great that he played CF in a less pressurized environment. I have no idea whether he has become more adept against the breaking ball or at covering the outside part of the plate, but if Kemp is going to have a good career, he certainly needed to improve in those areas. Remember, Kemp didn't play a lot of showcase baseball as an amateur because he was busy with basketball. I think the extra developmental time was the way to go there. I feel the same about Loney, though not quite as strongly.

I think the only game the Dodgers have a clear advantage with starting pitching is Lowe vs Santana, who has struggled on the road. Schmidt vs Weaver and Wolf vs Escobar are both in the Angels favor.

64. Santana sure has given up a boatload of home runs so far this year.
vr, Xei

46 I won the OPS bet but you won the whole bet because it was based on him playing a certain number of games which he didn't do

Ah, yes. That's right. My point in bringing it up wasn't so much to say I've been right all along about Nomar, but to say that I've been pessimistic all along about him.

If your going to the DT game I'll be happy to buy you the beer unless you want to make it double or nothing that Nomar has on OPS over 800 from now until the DT game?

Can't go, unfortunately. Let's just call the original bet a push.

58 Maybe Vin will start the game Friday by announcing that the Dodgers have fired "the hitting coach".

On the outside, Vin is a stoic professional, never one to let his rooting interests leak out.

On the inside, he bleeds Dodger Blue, and will never forgive "the hitting coach" for the double play in 1997, and announces a game while sticking needles in his Brian Johnson doll.

Eric Enders said that Vinny not mentioning Murray's name was a myth.

68 I agree, but it's fun to let my imagination think of Vin Scully in non-Scully situations.

For instance, front row at a Korn concert.

If Murray is to be blamed for Pierre, Kent, etc., he should also be credited with Gonzo's resurgence. What gives?

64 I'm not afraid of Weaver. Rob pointed out on another thread that he's had back problems and hasn't been too convincing in proving that he can avoid the DL. Weaver is also less effective against lefties, which we have in spades.

64

I'll say Lowe/Santana, Dodgers have the edge.
Schmidt/Weaver is a wash. That game can go either way as both pitchers continue to lie about being hurt or at least up to par. Wolf/Escobar is a tough one because Wolf has been less than stellar his last few outings so he could have a rebound game. Escobar is coming off a stellar start (14k's) or something close to that, so he could either have a huge let down game or continue to dominate. But considering his last game was an aberration and not the norm, I'd say he's in for a let down type game. Pure speculation of course...

Our offense hasn't lived up to our expectations and no one person is responsible for the results we've had this season

But we're gonna go ahead and place the blame on one person by firing him.

73. Then shouldn't Colletti fire himself?

San Diego up 3-0 in the top of the 8th.

Arizona down 4-1 in the bottom of the 4th.

If anyone cares..

68. It wasn't. Can one other peson here truly remember him doing it? Even once?

Can we please fire Rich Donnelly now too?

Homer Bailey got off to a rough start but settled down nicely. Not too many Ks.
vr, Xei

76 I thought I heard Vin mention Murray during last night's game, but I didn't record it.

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Didn't he say his name the other night when Gonzo tied and then passed him for the doubles record?
I still have the game on my Tivo, so I can check for sure when I get home tonight.

Then shouldn't Colletti fire himself?

Everyone knows that if you acquire crappy players who don't play very well, it's the coaching staff's fault.

80. No. Nor, when Gonzo kissed him coming into the dugout. And if that isn't the perfect example I don't know what is.

Check out Mike's Baseball Rants. Of the four regular players without a homer yet this year, half are Dodgers. I'll let y'all guess who they are.

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The Kiss of Death! I knew Eddie Murray shouldn't have gone fishing with Ned Colletti in Lake Tahoe last night.

The person to be blamed for our offensive problems is the person who childishly pouted when our best hitter opted out of his contract, then panicked and signed a declining injury-prone first baseman to a 2-year deal, blocking our best young hitting prospect. This would be the same person who also signed a below-average centerfielder to a ridiculous 5-year contract, thereby blocking our best young slugging prospect.

This person did not get fired today.

We scored a lot of runs last night, because we finally played the right people. I guess it is Eddie Murray's fault for that.

Sound familiar?

"It's not just about right now, it's just about what we feel is best for our ballclub today, the future and long term."

"From an offensive standpoint, I feel we can do better. But it's not just about Eddie Murray. I just felt that we needed to make a change and I felt this was best for our ballclub."

Eric Wedge said this just a little over two years ago when Cleveland fired Murray as their hitting coach. Coincidentally, they went from hitting .243 as a team (though most of that was due to a poor April, in May they began to perk up) as they hit .283 from June to the end of season with a very good OPS.

Seems to me that the only players who have really underperformed offensively this year are Pierre, Furcal, and Nomar.

Pierre: Wasn't Maury Wills designated primary responsibility for working with him this season?

Furcal: Injured.

Nomar: Hasn't really changed his hitting approach, has he? He's swinging at everything, just as he has always done. The ball just isn't going as far.

I don't see any of this being Eddie Murray's responsibility.

Weaver's splits are not that big for lefties vs righties. More HRs against righties, higher OBP versus lefties. He has had some injury concerns, but I'd give him at least a slight edge over Schmidt in that regard, especially with Schmidt's velocity problems. Weaver at least has an ERA near 4.

Escobar has been great all season, not just in his last start. ERA of 2.89 and WHIP of 1.11 are both better than his career, but reports have been that the pitching coach (Butcher) has really helped him this year.

The big thing that can help the Dodgers is if Kemp and Loney continue to play and perform well. The Angels already have a young player (Kotchman) helping out Vlad, with some great OBP from the top of the lineup.

87 And the Indians were a team bringing up a lot of their young guys, just as we are now.

BTW to followup what Branch Rickey said, the reports after he was fired in Cleveland said that Murray would never seek out players, he would wait for them to come to him.

Not sure if this fits with being in touch with the modern day player but I am sure Eddie's style didn't change while he was here.

I think Branch Rickey is right. I'll bet Eddie can't relate/communicate with the kids. And I'm wondering if Martin was somehow asked his opinion, since he's sort of the leader now.

I believe that coaches in the major leagues are not hired for fired because of their talent as a coach. Are Alfredo Griffin and Mickey Hatcher the best coaches that Scioscia could find or are they long time friends? You get hired because you know somebody. You get fired (usually) because the team is currently not performing. I wrote above what I think it was in Eddie's case this time.

Yovani Gallardo, the next "Next Great Pitcher", is finally getting called up by the Brewers today.

87 I have a feeling Murray's abrasive, Kent-ish personality can be grating at times, and over a period of time gets old.

Maybe the position itself is just volatile, and needs to be changed often just to "spark" teams.

That said, I'm sure there are some hitting coaches that are more than just ex-players; their teaching and nurturing (perhaps more important with the youngish roster the Dodgers are fostering) skills are as important, if not more, than their name or reputation.

I'm guessing Eddie didn't mingle much at the Christmas parties.

I believe that coaches in the major leagues are not hired for fired because of their talent as a coach...You get hired because you know somebody

Same goes for GMs, in many/most cases.

Re: 5

Jason, I think Grady's the kids advocate, because he managed in the Atlanta organization, which of course has done very well with developing young players. Also, Ned's background with the Giants organization, and his own track record, indicates a preference for veterans. I've heard a lit bit about Grady from BoSox fans, and although even before the Pedro episode, he had a rep for staying with a starter too long, I never got the feeling that he was overly wedded to veterans. Although the fact that the Red Sox farm system was weak during his tenure as manager makes that a difficult comp. Kevin Kennedy, though, did have a rep for preferring veterans, much like Dusty Baker.

This is even more speculation, but in all due honesty, I've always got the feeling that Grady, beneath the aww... shucks act, is actually quite flexible and adaptable in his management style. Not to say Ned is completely rigid--the Furcal signing was quite creative, I thought--but I think Ned is much more strictly conventional in his approach to personnel and player evaluation. Although Grady isn't at all sabermetric--one of the reasons why he might have been fired by the stat-heavy Boston front office even without the Pedro episode after 03--I do think he's by nature flexible and adaptable, and that would make for a willingness to play young players who will be rough around the edges.

WWSH

Tiger shot 71 today.
He's 3 back of the leader.

US Open really didnt play too difficult today. Lots of pretty good scores, especially for a US Open.

US Open really didnt play too difficult today

They always talk up the difficulty before the tourney starts, saying it's the toughest course they've ever played and such. Then they go out and shoot pretty much the same scores they always shoot at US Opens.

97. That's probably true. Now who on this team do you think does?

I think we can all agree that the players you acquire/call up from AAA/etc. are more important than how they are coached. I have to think you're better off with good players/bad coaches than bad players/good coaches.

What is most irksome about Murray's firing for me is that Ned gets no assignment of blame, and certainly no kind of punishment.

Only five guys are on the happy side of par today. Is there some other definition of "tough" we're using for golf now?

Walt Hriniak is the only hitting coach that comes to mind that was known for actual results on the field, and that was mostly because he taught his players to finish with that exaggerated follow-through by letting go of the bat. It seems to be a pretty high turnover position, with minimal standards on accountability.

Pitching coaches, hitting coaches, and managers have been getting fired for the flimsiest of reasons for the past 50 years. (And even longer for managers.)

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

58 I believe that is a myth. I distinctly recall Vin speaking the name at least once this season, when the camera lighted on Murray in the dugout.

87 I've heard it said before that great players (in any sport) don't necessarily make the best coaches/managers because they find it hard to relate to the average player. I recall that Pete Rose was once asked whether or not he communicated with his players, and he replied, "Why should I? My manager never had to talk to me."

105
How soon they forget Charlie Lau? He had a tour de force in "Max Dugan Returns."

90

Forgive me if I'm off base here, I am new to this site and am not familiar with all the regulars yet but, from what I've read thus far you strike me as more of an Angels fan than a Dodgers fan. Am I wrong? Do you have mutual affinity for both teams? Maybe for one more than the other? Just wondering.

108 - Wasn't Hrinak a disciple of Lau? I thought Hriniak was the more recent of the two, though I noticed that Lau wasn't as old as I had first thought.

109
Daniel Zappala, ToyCannon, and scareduck are fans of both the Dodgers and Angels.

I would describe myself as one also.

And Jon doesn't hate the Angels.

I believe I'm not misrepresenting anyone there am I?

Only five guys are on the happy side of par today. Is there some other definition of "tough" we're using for golf now?

That's not uncommon for a US Open. For one thing, the USGA commonly converts at least one (if not 2) par-5s into par-4s, thus automatically reducing par and the number of players on the happy side of it.

111

Thanks for the 411. And I like anyone who references a classic like "Max Dugan Returns". Excellent stuff.

Just something I wanted to mention in passing: I believe Kip Wells goes after his 11th loss today for St. Louis. He's fallen off the 30-loss pace, but this would get him on track for 28.

I think if Murray's firing were performance-related, then Colletti should be part of the conversation. But if the firing were related to old-school communication issues independent of Colletti, as Branch seems to think (and I don't have reason to doubt him) - then the good and bad of Colletti isn't as germane.

And keep this in mind about Colletti. While he shouldn't get credit for Kemp, etc., being in the organization, he should get some credit for calling them up, even if he had to be beaten over the head. He didn't have to call them up. He could have ridden out the vets rain or shine. However stubborn he might be, he isn't that stubborn.

Define "some credit" however you like.

I need a ruling from the commentariat:

ISP dead. No connection. Tech support no help. Maintenence crew coming...Whenever.

Neighbor has unencrypted wireless network. Am I a bad person if I hop on it for a day or two? I don't know the inner workings of wireless network etiquette.

Thanks. May not be able to read the responses, but let me know.

111 - for me, you can change "doesn't hate" to "likes/roots for"

While a big fan of both teams, other then the Brown/Sheffield years I would have rooted for the Dodgers over the Angels in a World Series but sometimes I like to wear my Angel hat to a Dodger game just to witness the stupidity of Dodger fans.

115 - If you have unprotected wireless internet then you have put a "welcome" mat on your connection. In big cities especially, everyone steals internet so protect it or just assume that others are using it. This doesn't get to the ethics of exploiting such lazy ignorance, but suffice to say my wireless router is down and yet I am responding to you.

115 If you think you're also a bad person for listening to the music on someone else's stereo that's blasting through an open window, then don't do it.

Otherwise, hop on.

Things I have learned about baseball this week:

Unwritten rules:
1. Don't yell "mine" while rounding 3rd.
2. Don't steal signs while on 2nd base.
3. Don't let go of the bat with one hand when hitting home runs.

Any more this week?

115
Well, I know a lot of people do that. At least you are only doing it for a little while.

115
I'd older self says to ask permission, my younger self says go for it. I'm often conflicted.

Don't peek to see where the catcher is setting up.

The fact you even asked anyone if it is right shows your nobility. Now do the noble thing and get online.

115
WWASD?

He'd say go for it.

120 - 2. Don't steal signs while on 2nd base.

I didn't follow last night's comments. Is that the presumed reason for Green and Penny's little conversation?

Unwritten rules:
Don't get into a battle of wits with a Sicilian when death is on line.

I think the pin placements will be key. They can really make that course a bear. Add any weather elements to it along with the pressure over the weekend and my take now is that the tourney will be won at +2

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Wayne, thank you. I agree with you. Thanks for the explanation.

112 And doesn't USGA tell the host course to let the rough grow out for the OPen?

If Sandy Alomar Jr can fetch BJ LaMura..I wonder what Brady Clark will command?

122 - Asking permission is tough though. If they say no then it is a sticky situation, and no matter what it is awkward.

If you are contentious about what you do with their internet (stay away from high bandwidth activities) they probably won't notice the difference anyway. Besides, if they were savvy enough to monitor who is using it then it would be protected int he first place. So I say no harm, no foul.

115 That happened to a friend of mine a while back. He took his laptop and walked up and down the halls of his apartment building in case one of his neighbors had an unsecured wireless connection.

When you needs Internet access, you needs Internet access.

129
The USGA likes its rough long and its greens fast.

I still think weather makes everything worse. I would not have wanted to play at Pebble Beach the year Tom Kite won.

Article on the Murray firing by Tim Brown:

http://tinyurl.com/ynr9sq

126

"I was a little mad at the time," said Penny. "[Green] was giving pitch location to the hitter from second base in the first inning. When you do that, and you have a reputation for doing that, people are watching you and you take a chance of getting yourself or your team where you shouldn't be."

Thanks for the advice, gang. I went over to ask, but dude is at work (Munce: Ha ha!), so I feel okay with it. I'll ask when he gets home.

So much going on. PayPal nightmares, dead ISP, painting, DT Night Tickets. It's like that line from Five Towns, my favorite show: "It ain't just happening over here...It's happening over there, over there, and over there."

Also, Betemit turns into a beast, Murray gets fired, US Open. I can't keep up. It may be nap time.

130 They difference is that Sandy Alomar, Jr wasn't designated for assignment first.

Unless there is a huge demand for Clark, no one is going to give up anything to have a player they can have for league minimum once the 10 days is up.

The tinyurl in 135 works, so I deleted 137.

125 What Would Alfonso Soriano Do?

Isn't that an unwritten rule of blogging to not delete posts from a another man's blog?

(Similar to never touch another man's stereo)

140 I was thinking Alvey Singer.

141
Jon knows where to find me.

138--Good point. Considering Clark's salary, I dont think anyone is going to touch him.

Bob's going to look up from his desk as someone enters his library, then next thing you know, fade to black!

131 - I meant "conscientious" but spell check guess "contentious" which means the opposite of what I intended. Annoying.

Interesting comments at Metsblog about the Penny/Green incident. FYI, SFW.
http://tinyurl.com/2t8lyl
vr, Xei

142 Alvy Singer!
"Great, I'm standing here with two guys named 'Cheech.'"
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That Charlie Lau cameo in Max Dugan has to be the best appearance by a real hitting coach in a fictional film that I can think of. Ever!

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Fwiw, I'm not a fan of the Angels, but I stopped hating them awhile ago. I'll hate them less if they don't sweep the Dodgers again this weekend. It goess back to high school, and having friends who were Angels fans and obnoxious about it. Also relates to my general distaste for all things Orange County (sorry to offend), I mean, serious distaste. But I like their young players and it's hard to hate them at this point.

I loved seeing grouchy 250lb penny snarling at Green yesterday and I loved stomping on the Mets while they are down. Yesterday might have been my favorite game this year. Lets carry some of that edge into the Angles series.

PS: Greg, if it works, I would totally hop on your neighbor's wireless. It's free and open. Just try not to do any secure transactions (er, except you need to do that PayPal one huh? That'd be my only worry), and check your settings to lock up/secure anything on your computer you want secured (on the Mac this is easy; dunno about Windows). But I've done this before when needed. The connection speed may be up and down though, depending on if they're using it too, or anyone else, and how far away they are...

147 I stopped reading the comments there after the third one wishing Green had hit Penny. (Not that I can completely blame them for feeling that way, but...)

With the decline of production from Dodger veteran hitters and the existence of so many young players in the lineup, I think it is really difficult to analyze if the 07 Dodger offense is overacheiving or underacheiving.

However, I do think Murray's firing is unfair simply because he clearly did a great job last year. Remember, the Dodgers had a very productive offense last year despite the team's lack of "run producers." The fact that the Dodgers hit great with runners in scoring position can be attributed to luck, but some of those results have to be attributed to the Dodger's hitting approach last year, which Murray is somewhat responsible for.

If the Dodgers had replaced Murray with the Triple A coach it would have made sense considering the team's success is now so dependant on those rookie hitters. However, Murray, whose past performance as the Dodger hitting coach was 70% great (last year) and 30% unknown (this year), is being replaced by someone without any track record. If Murray was fired based on his style of coaching rather than his results, I think its a very short-sighted decision. How can you speculate that his coaching style was wrong for this team if it was great for last year's team? It is not as if the roster has a completely new set of personnel from last year. Therefore, I think the decision-making here was bad, but it is hard to critize decision-making when the people who made the decision do not articulate their reasoning behind it.

I've been doing an interesting comparison between Luis Gonzalez and JD Drew this season.

Gonzo's BA is 48 points higher than Drew's. 284 to 236.

Gonzo's OBP is 27 points higher than Drews's. 371 to 344.

Gonzo's SLG is a whopping 120 points higher than Drew's. 472 to 352.

Gonzo's OPS is an eye popping 156 points higher than Drew's. 852 to 696.

Nice to see Shields and Frankie get used today. The less we see of them this weekend the better.

I can't see visiting Metsblog very often. At least most people were ok with the Kuo bat flip which was entirely innocuous.

It'll be interesting to see if Mueller stays as the hitting coach. If true, in a way this is just a way to ease Mueller into his new job and justify us paying him all that money.

The best thing to come of the Murray firing is the Bill Mueller hiring. By paying the new "interim" hitting coach $4.5 million, the highest salary for a hitting coach in major league history, I think this can put to rest all the fears that Frank McCourt is a penny pincher looking to cut costs.

yeah, a visit to MetsBlog after a game like last night gives you appreciation for the great site Jon has managed here at DT.
vr, Xei

157. Perhaps Juan Pierre can be the highest paid base running coach, or assistant base running coach in MLB. vr, Xei

109 I root fervently for both the Dodgers and Angels.

Dodgers: I hated Reggie Jackson for (what I thought) cost the Dodgers the 1978 series by using his hip to deflect Russell's throw. My favorite player when I was a kid was Reggie Smith. I tuned in from the Bay area via a transistor radio and a weak signal from Las Vegas to listen to Hershiser's scoreless inning streak. I leaped off the couch and yelled for hours when Gibson hit his home run and saw the clinching game 5 in person.

Angels: When I got A's in grade school I got free tickets to see Bobby Grich, Doug Decinces and company at Anaheim stadium. Saw Nolan Ryan toss his last game against the Angels. Loved Mike Witt and Jim Abbott. Suffered for many years, including 1986 and the 1995 debacle in Seattle when they lost a 13 1/2 game lead and then lost the one-game playoff in miserable fashion. All the grief was erased when they won the 2002 series against the Giants.

Lots of good memories with both teams.

If Murray wasn't communicative enough, then he needed to go. Hitting coaches are just there to talk anyway, really. That's why all the young Rangers hitter rave about Jaramillo.

160 It is nice to root for teams that are in the hunt regularly and win it all now and then.

I work with a guy who is a Cubs fan. I think the only way he can stand it is he is also a Celtics fan and is old enough to remember the glory days.

161
You gotta wonder what Eddie thought his job entailed if not talking to players about hitting.

I'm a big Angels fan too. Just not quite to the level of being a Dodgers fan. Not living in the metro LA area, or O.C. area I am not conflicted by the rivalry that the two areas seem to have. I would even root for the Padres or A's in the world series if they weren't playing the Angels or Dodgers. I would never root for the Giants though.
vr, Xei

164 I would root for anybody playing the Yankees.

163. Those players listening?

By the way, the Angels are off to their best start in franchise history, at 42-25. Kotchman is now at .324/.404/.549.

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It had to be a situation other than performance related. In my few experiences speaking with major leaguers as a fan, I've been left feeling angry three times. Once by George Bell at a spring training game when he was with the Cubs, another time with Dwight Smith of those same Cubs at a spring training game, and the third time was with Eddie Murray when he was finishing his career in LA.

He ignored kids who wanted an autograph, and had a look of total distaste for the fans while throwing a ball around during batting practice and before a game. He took a ball that was overthrown and right in front of kids begging for it, looked right at them and tossed it towards the backstop with the intent of being hurtful to kids. He had this smirk of content when a kid started to cry.

If he's a good communicator and a good coach, he has a job. My guess is his insulent attitude at times wasn't fun to be around and he didn't communicate well. It is only a guess, but with limited experience being around him, I can't say for sure but I suspect he isn't a very friendly guy. He has a reputation of being stoic.

I would think Ned and Grady figured there are bigger things to accomplish then to focus time and energy on this situation and make the move now and go forward with the season. I suspect we won't hear anything from Murray in the press, he doesn't speak to them, right?

My only regret is that I always see him at Clippers games and I want to like him. He looks like he appreciates a good athlete and I want to be able to like him but I simply have this image of him teasing those kids and I can't seem to forgive him for it.

165. Yeah that too. Yankees vs SF Giants in the World Series would be very painful.
vr, Xei

He had this smirk of content when a kid started to cry.
Really? Did he kick a kitten or rape a nun as he as doing this? Seriously dude.

Communication is the keyword for the Dodgers.

Mueller said the first thing he wants to do is build a rapport with each player individually.

"I feel like once that starts to happen, everything improves," he said. "First will be the relationship with each guy, to build from there, to see where each guy is mentally as well as physically."

It seems weird to me that Ned/Grady hired Eddie Murray in the first place. It's not as if his "character" issues were unknown to them beforehand.

I hate the Angels, because I am also a fan of the A's.

Greg, is it AT&T? I went through 2 months of hell with them until I finally switched to cable.

My intro rate with the cable company just ended so I have to brow-beat them into lowering my bill again.

I hate the Angels because they are not the Dodgers.

Looking at the Metsblog just made me think less of NY fans than I already did. New Yorkers with that whole "What!? You think you're better than me!?" attitude just makes me laugh. I find it so comically entertaining that I will probably return to the blog somewhat frequently after Met losses. Sorry if my New Yorker stereotype offends anyone but I have witnessed it first hand more than once and never ceases to please.

174 - I work for said cable company. What city do you live in, maybe I can help you out.

I just assume New Yorkers are jerks to everyone because they have to live on top of one another.

170-What's so hard to believe about this, I wonder? Is it because athletes are all such nice people? Or is it insufficiently Pollyannaish to imagine Eddie Murray--who was certainly a good baseball player--might be a jerk? I've seen athletes, and others, do things like that before.

Late to the party here, but that was an excellent post, Jon. Let's hope this is indeed the week trivia buffs point to.

As for Murray, well, I always kind of liked him, although like everybody else I don't have much of an idea what he was doing as hitting coach because neither he nor anyone else talked about it to the press. From what I can gather, he seemed like the kind of guy who would cater to veterans. He was probably the kind of hitter who never liked a hitting coach hounding him to try this or that approach, and so when he became a hitting coach himself, he became the laissez-faire type. That may have been the wrong kind of coach for a team with (a) so many young hitters, and (b) so many hitters unable or unwilling to diagnose their own faults, like Nomar and Pierre.

Incidentally, I would like to point out the following completely nonsensical quote by Shawn Green:

"I was working on my shin guard, and there he was," said Green. "He said I was giving location of pitches from second base, which wasn't true. A little bit of paranoia on their side. If you think someone is stealing signs, you change the signs. It's that simple."

Okay, Wally. Why did you change the subject to sign stealing, when the accusation was tipping location, which doesn't involve stealing any signs? And how would you suggest a team go about changing its signs to prevent tipping pitch location?

The sheer stupidity of the denial makes me believe that Green was actually doing what Penny said he was. They used to play together, so Penny would probably know. I am so glad Green is grounding out to second for somebody else's team now.

I despise the Angels and I went to high school in Orange County and worked the past 8 years in Garden Grove, near the stadium. Most Angel fans I've encountered were bandwagon after 2002, have no idea who the players are, and are obnoxious about them. I've even been the target of some racist comments at Angel Stadium so needless to say I look forward to beating them this weekend.

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I am so glad Green is grounding out to second for somebody else's team now.

Funniest thing I've read all day! Classic.

In my view the Angels have always been like Canada. Sometimes annoying, but mostly harmless and an incredibly easy target for making fun of. The Padres, on the other hand, are like Cuba, the neighbor who eternally thumbs its nose at the larger, superior nation to the north and yet seems to imitate that nation in often uncanny ways, pulling off the difficult feat of simultaneously displaying both envy and extreme disdain.

Marty, it is AT&T. I would switch to DirecTV's DSL service if it didn't cost waayyyyy too much money.

179. Intentionally make little children cry and then smile about it. You've seen that? Whatever. I'll try to stop reacting to ridiculous posts like these but suffice it to say, Murray is not that guy and I doubt anyone so diabolical would be able to hold a job.

182. We found somebody else to do that job (much better) for him. vr, Xei

185 I saw LaRoche do a similar thing in Vero Beach this year. He caught a fly ball in LF to end the inning and as he was running back to the bench, he faked like he was going to toss the ball into the stands, then stuck it in his back pocket. That earned him a loud chorus of boos, which almost never happens with the geriatric-laden Vero crowd.

177 I'm a Charter customer in Altadena

Lebron named his son Maximus. That is what my friend named his pit bull.

189 - Interesting. That's also what I named part of my gluteus.

The title of this post finally sunk in. I totally forgot today is flag day

188 - Unfortunately, I work for the other evil entity.

ESPN's article makes the Murray firing sound results-based.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2904249

I can't stand the Angels. The franchise and their entire fan base became insufferably obnoxious after 2002.

Lebron should've named his kid Norbel James ala Ramon/Nomar. He seems that egotistical to me.

183 If the Angels were in the NL, you'd consider them a bigger threat than Canada. :-) I think that's the main difference between them and the Padres. The Angels will continue to be good for a long time. They have a good team this year, a good farm system for the future, a great owner, and a great manager. I'm thrilled that both they and the Dodgers look to be good for a long time. Maybe an Amtrack Series is possible.

185-My point is that (it may be a pedant's point, but I don't think so) he didn't say Murray clapped his hands and emitted a diabolical laugh, merely that he smiled at someone's disappointment. People do that all the time, unfortunately, and while it doesn't make Eddie Murray the devil, it's a perfectly plausible description of someone's experience. Maybe he didn't "smirk," maybe he half-smiled, maybe the poster's eyes were deceiving him, but even so it wouldn't make the post ridiculous. It doesn't sound like paranoidandroid is sharpening an axe, merely recounting an event. Accurately or not, I doubt it's ridiculous. That's all I'm sayin'.

194 entire fan base

You need to meet some long-time Angels fans who have more perspective. Maybe you can meet me, Jon, Bob, ToyCannon, et al. at a DT function and realize we're not all bad.

Dodgers fire Eddie Murray

>>> "Bill Mueller will serve as a very solid bridge as we look for our next hitting coach," Colletti said in a statement. <<<

http://tinyurl.com/3dqbq3

This statement gives the impression that the firing was a sudden move without any advanced planning. That maybe something happened within the last few days that brought about this decision. Otherwise, why would we need a bridge?

No offense was intended to present company. My perception of the Angels fan base is colored by the experiences with the several fans in my personal orbit.

And just, you know, general feeling.

199 I don't think it gives that impression.... perhaps they simply thought Mueller might well be the next batting coach but wanted to keep their options open. Or maybe Mueller wanted some time to see if he liked the job. It's not uncommon for someone who's new to a particular position to be given an interim title even if they end up permanently there.

199
Colletti said the move had been considered for some time.

"We don't do anything here quick or without a lot of thought and a lot of compassion," he said during a telephone conference call. "We feel like there's a lot of the season left and the offense can be a lot better than it is. We decided to do it now."

REPORT: Murray replaces Betemit as Dodger scapegoat.

Colletti: "With Betemit's recent power surge, we felt it was necessary to make the change. Mueller will act as a bridge until we find our next smoke screen for The Player and the clutch 1b."

Can't imagine why Dodger fans would make fun of the Angels considering they have the better owner, better manager, better star, and usually the better team. It has been a long time since the Remy popgun teams. Oh and they tend to win at least one game every playoff series not to mention they own the Yankee's.

If nothing else, hiring Mueller puts a bit of extra dough in the Kyle Blair fund since they don't have to pay the salary of a new hitting coach.

Mueller also becomes, I would imagine, the highest paid hitting coach in baseball history.

You guys sound like every kid whose ever wanted an autograph is some sacred cow. Eddie was just doing them a favor in getting on with their lives instead of doting on someone else's accomplishments.

Grady and Ned are all about communication. Murray seems to be about as non-communicative as a coach could be.

The surprise isn't that they fired him, it is, as D4P mentioned above, that they hired him in the first place. Of course, that was during Frank's big purge and bringing in an ex-Dodger HOFer was probably considered a smart fan move.

Can't imagine why Dodger fans would make fun of the Angels considering they have the better owner, better manager, better star, and usually the better team.

Mr. Zappala, were you looking for evidence of "insufferably obnoxious"? I get that TC was being tongue-in-cheek here, but this is the attitude of pretty much every Angels fan I've met.

But only since 2002.

180. Incidentally, I would like to point out the following completely nonsensical quote by Shawn Green:

Doesn't seem all that nonsensical to me since these days catcher give signs for BOTH the pitch and the location.

If nothing else, hiring Mueller puts a bit of extra dough in the Kyle Blair fund since they don't have to pay the salary of a new hitting coach.

the 325k they got for Mitch Jones should also be stashed away in the nontaxable, interest free kyle blair fund.

Watching the video, Green seems cought completly off guard by Penny's accusations. Green's "deer in the head lights" look suggests to me he wasn't stealing signs or pitch locations. I also wonder if it was Dlegado or Manny or someone a little bigger than Green whether Penny would have come on him so aggressivly.

210 I seriously doubt that any of that matters when it comes to signing players.

They have a budget for this year's draft and if that fits with what Blair wants, then it will work. If he ends up wanting Top 10 money, than maybe not.

Also, I am sure Eddie is getting paid his whole salary for the year and if they hire within, maybe they bump up a little and then they will have to hire someone else perhaps but in the end, I can't imagine it costing more than 250K.

185

He was toying with the kids trying to get a ball and when the kid got upset, he indeed smirked more than once as if satisfied that he could get under our skin as adults urged him to give the kid a ball. He was not pleasant in the least. It isn't/wasn't his job to do anything other than play the game, but he was not a good ambassador. He treated the fans with disdain that day. Not sure if that was all the time, I tried to explain I had limited exposure to him, but you seemed to think that my post was ridiculous for some reason as if it couldn't happen. It indeed did. The kid was in tears. He was about five or six. Murray held the ball out, looked at the kid, and tossed it to the backstop side of the batting cage and then continued throwing with a ball boy while his big back was ten feet from those of us standing there. He would look back with a smirk from time to time, he could care less what anyone thought or said. This went on for over five minutes. He was a total jerk about the whole thing. Then he jogged away with a ball in his glove and went into the dugout.

The quantum leap to raping a nun is strange to me. Are you implying I made it up? That I was saying he was plotting evil? He was simply not nice and didn't care what the fans thought of him or that a kid was upset.

My point is that whether the Dodgers hitters performed or not, he was likely let go because of his personality issues. Are you defending his character or attacking mine in some way? Be clear about what you are saying Mr. Branch.

Green doesn't seem to be hitting to many GB's to 2nd base these days. That has been reserved for Delgado. It is an interesting development this year that these two ex-sluggers(Green & Gonzo) who Arizona couldn't wait to get rid of are both having a renaissance while Quentin is on the pine for non-production.

I used to be indifferent to the Angels, but their abrupt change of team colors, combined with their perceived need to have "L.A." as part of their name, turned me against them. Both are signs that they are still insecured about their identity. Furthermore, red is usually associated with the devil and therefore inconsistent with their team name.

I think it is the rare HOF-level player who makes a good coach or manager. I couldn't believe how many teams were willing to put up with Frank Robinson as manager. He had no idea what to do with a mediocre (or "league-average" is the current term) player, because he never was one.

What could Eddie Murray teach anyone about hitting? He was a genius at it. None of today's Dodgers approach what Eddie could do just rolling out of bed. I doubt he suffered much during his rare slumps. He knew it would fix itself. He's Eddie Murray!

But if a player didn't listen to him, he could go all Christopher Walken on him: "I'm just a guy who puts his pants on one leg at a time -- and hit 500 home runs!"

Mueller is more like it. He wasn't good enough to have an attitude. He probably benefited from coaching, and took less for granted.

Is Nate around any sharp objects?:

Before this afternoon's encounter with the San Francisco Giants, the Toronto Blue Jays designated catcher Sal Fasano for assignment and called up right-handed reliever Lee Gronkiewicz from Double A New Hampshire.

206. There was only one person who said they didn't like that what Murray did and that was the original poster. Which other post are you referring to when you say you guys? The only other posts about it are Branch Rickey's overreaction to the original post Dark Horse trying to figure out why Branch Rickey found the original post so astonishing.

Yah, I think someone's observations about how Eddie Murray behaved in front of them shouldn't have been so snidely dismissed here. I say this as someone who also saw Murray - when I was younger refuse an autograph from a kid leaning over the railing before a game and roll his eyes as he walked away. Now in defense of Murray, from what I've seen of him - quiet demeanor, doesn't like talking to press, more comfortable only talking to veterans or people he knows, it's possible he's actually slightly (or more than slightly) sociophobic. At the very least, he's aloof. Which definitely isn't the worst crime in the world. He's probably much nicer to people he knows, and there's obviously a reason he was rehired despite problems in the past with communication. But as someone said here above, it does make you wonder why they hired him in the first place if this is so important. I guess what I'm saying is I've never disliked Murray because I liked the way he approached the game as a player and he was never a showboat, but I've also seen him in person and he's generally really unfriendly. Isn't there a reason Vin Scully never mentions his name? Anyway, so I don't think it's fair to attack someone here for saying what they'd observed about him, and think the Dodgers could do better to have a coach who can better communicate with - and cheer on - the younger players. This is my opinion. This is a recording. This posting will self-destruct in 30 seconds.

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My distaste for the Angels started after the World Series championship when the bandwagon fans started coming out and wearing the red. Then when we lost Vlad to them, the whole LAA thing too. Mostly though, it started for me with friends