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$7,000,000 Esteban Loaiza
*$500,000 Chad Billingsley
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*$500,000 Jonathan Broxton
$500,000 Chan Ho Park
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$500,000 Russell Martin
*$400,000 James Loney
*$400,000 Matt Kemp
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$600,000 Mark Sweeney
$424,500 Andre Ethier
$391,000 Delwyn Young
$390,000 Chin-Lung Hu
$390,000 Blake DeWitt
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*$400,000 Tony Abreu
*$390,000 Andy LaRoche
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$750,000 Odalis Perez
$540,000 Yhency Brazoban
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$487,500 Jason Repko
$135,225 Rudy Seanez
$100,000 Mike Lieberthal
$50,000 Ramon Martinez
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How To Avoid Getting Your Arm Chopped Off by the Rumor Mill
2007-11-14 08:55
by Jon Weisman

Or, How To Survive the Hot Stove League Without Getting Burned

(Originally published October 10, 2006)

1) Rumors are not facts.

2) Teams and agents often float rumors to generate attention or to misdirect rivals. The media will report these rumors without much concern over how viable they are. The rumor is the news - whether it comes to fruition or not is not the media's problem (or so the media has decided).

3) A report that agents, players or teams "were talking" is meaningless. People talk all the time. It doesn't mean anything will come of it.

4) Any rumor attributed to an anonymous source is particularly useless.

5) Making judgments about a general manager based on a rumor reflects poorly on the judge.

6) Many deals, if not most, are never rumored, but spring up out of the blue.

7) Many are eager to pass along rumors. If you are planning to post a rumor here, please check to see if it has been posted already. But whatever you do, don't take the rumors too seriously.

- Your Friendly Hot Stove Curmudgeon

Update: I'm not telling you not to have fun with the Hot Stove. Have fun! I'm just saying that from my experience here, people take the rumors way too seriously, discussion gets heated, and the fun goes away. And that's what I'd like to avoid.

I'm adding:

8) Hometown papers will often inflate the value of their own players, either on their own initative or that of their sources, and print particularly unrealistic trade packages.

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2007-11-14 09:18:06
1.   Disabled List
This isn't really a rumor, but nor is it hard information. Just another Dodger tidbit I'm passing along. From John Donovan:

General manager Ned Colletti has confirmed that the Dodgers are looking for a centerfielder, with the thought of moving Juan Pierre to left. This comes just one year after Colletti signed Pierre to a five-year, $44 million deal. Either Colletti saw this coming and planned on it all along (unlikely), or he recognized his mistake and is moving quickly to correct it. Either way, that's too much to pay an outfielder with no power (one home run in his last 872 plate appearances) and a miserable on-base percentage (.331 last year).

2007-11-14 09:22:18
2.   fanerman
And Andre Ethier (or Matt Kemp) will be out of a job.
2007-11-14 09:23:11
3.   underdog
What about the rumor woodchipper? Look where it got Steve Buscemi in Fargo.

My favorites are when people quote some Fox Sports or AOL blogger who has no more insider info than we do, basically making up some farfetched rumor and then freaking out about it.
--

Donovan's analysis at the end is right; center or left, he should be a 4th outfielder. It still amazes me how surprised Colletti now seems by Pierre's abilities and lack thereof, when he was exactly what they should've expected, but we've covered that question ad nauseum here already.

2007-11-14 09:28:29
4.   D4P
Either Colletti saw this coming and planned on it all along (unlikely), or he recognized his mistake and is moving quickly to correct it

Possible Explanation #3: He recognized his mistake and is moving quickly to compound it.

2007-11-14 09:28:54
5.   jasonungar07
Ned has said that his biggest failure last offseason was not getting a middle of the order bat..So I think he will do whatever it takes (scary thought) to get one. Of course we all belive in Kemp, Loney etc to be our middle of the order bats but Ned has to see things to belive them...like Pierre.
2007-11-14 09:32:08
6.   Sam DC
For folks interested in Andruw Jones, Chris at Capitol Punishment has written a coupled of detailed posts on Jones' performance and value, looking in particular at the timing and impact of his injuries last year and whether his 2007 performance was a fluke.

http://dcbb.blogspot.com/

2007-11-14 09:36:54
7.   fanerman
I can't believe Colletti doesn't realize the solution to our power bat problem is to replace Pierre and not Ethier/Kemp. I suppose there's still time for me to be proven wrong about him.
2007-11-14 09:39:33
8.   old dodger fan
From ESPN.com

The New York Yankees have been discussing a deal with their former All-Star third baseman Alex Rodriguez -- but the team says a deal can only move forward if his agent, Scott Boras, is not part of the talks, the New York Daily News reported Wednesday.


According to the report, a high-ranking Yankees source said the team is willing to bring back A-Rod on a below-market contract that would make up for the $21 million subsidy from the Texas Rangers that the Yankees lost when A-Rod opted out of the final three years of his contract -- despite team comments indicating he had burned his bridges by opting out.

But any such deal can't take place with Boras at the table, a Yankee source said, according to the report.

"We will not negotiate with Scott Boras," the source told the Daily News. "He cannot be in the room."

2007-11-14 09:43:18
9.   Bob Timmermann
8
Why don't the Yankees just take over the Administration Building at Columbia too and hand over a list of non-negotiable demands?

How can you force a player to negotiate without his paid representative? A man who is authorized by MLBPA to negotiate contracts as an agent.

I wonder if the Yankees front office, if given the chance to operate as judges, would suspend the Fourth, Fifth, and Seventh amendments to the Constitution.

And maybe the Third while they're at it.

2007-11-14 09:49:08
10.   njr
Well,

They may have heard one thing we said at Dodgerthoughts day:

http://www.dailynews.com/ci_7455418

2007-11-14 09:49:48
11.   greenchris
Just read on espn insider that the Padres are contemplating a 3 team deal that would bring them Matt Kemp. Article is in the SD Tribune...does anyone have any additional info.
2007-11-14 09:50:55
12.   Sam DC
8 What children.
2007-11-14 09:52:25
13.   Bumsrap
8 - I assume you are providing examples to support Jon's reminder up top.
2007-11-14 09:52:46
14.   fanerman
9 The Yankees just seem very bitter to me, refusing to speak to someone, much the way kids can be.

Homer: Marge, since I'm not talking to Lisa, could you please ask her to pass me the syrup?
Marge: (sighs) Please pass your father the syrup, Lisa.
Lisa: Bart, tell Dad I'll only pass the syrup if it won't be used on any meat products…
Bart: You dunking your sausages in that syrup, Homeboy?
Homer: Marge, tell Bart I just want to drink a nice glass of syrup like I do every morning…

And so on and so forth.

2007-11-14 09:54:29
15.   Bob Timmermann
10
From that article:
"Some nights, there were fewer than less than 50 passengers aboard, said Camille Johnston, Dodgers spokeswoman."

I'm hoping Camille Johnston didn't say "fewer than less than" especially since the guy asking the question is a retired English teacher from my high school.

2007-11-14 09:54:44
16.   fanerman
11 Is that another example to support Jon's reminder? I refuse to acknowledge the thought of Matt Kemp in a Padre uniform.
2007-11-14 09:54:47
17.   Kevin Lewis
Thanks for the cool headed thinking, Jon
2007-11-14 09:56:20
18.   Bob Timmermann
11
No details are provided:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/padres/20071114-9999-1s14padres.html
2007-11-14 09:59:28
19.   Eric Stephen
Back to the boring old regular font! :)

T.J. Simers actually has a non-horrible article today! It's relatively free of cheap shots and stupid nicknames.

2007-11-14 10:00:21
20.   Robert Daeley
11 I'm contemplating getting a pony for Christmas, but I don't think it's going to happen.
2007-11-14 10:01:16
21.   Xeifrank
11. I believe it was touched upon on the previous thread a little bit.
vr, Xei
2007-11-14 10:02:11
22.   ToyCannon
6
Thanks for the link Sam. I am in the same camp that feels his season was due to health issues and not PED's or declining skills.
The problems as he stated is if the shoulder/elbow will continue to be problems or if rest will take care of them. We all know how Shawn Green's shoulder sapped him of his power and how he was never able to recover the stroke that gave him the Dodger single season home run record.
2007-11-14 10:02:47
23.   Jon Weisman
20 - Exactly.
2007-11-14 10:04:59
24.   Humma Kavula
8 Ridiculous. And possibly should be ignored, with Jon's reminder.

Still, if true -- and that's a very big if -- it's quite insane.

I would be highly insulted if somebody offered to do business with me, but only if my chosen representative -- who had done very well by me -- was not part of the discussion. I would tell them where they could put their offer.

2007-11-14 10:07:17
25.   Bob Timmermann
20
If he gets a pony, then I want TWO ponies.

And a goat.

2007-11-14 10:08:14
26.   Xeifrank
25. How about a create full of peaches and a case of diet pepsi?
vr, Xei
2007-11-14 10:09:03
27.   D4P
I have no problem with the Yankees asking that ARod's agent not be present.

ARod and his agent are free to refuse the request, and I'm sure they will.

2007-11-14 10:10:38
28.   kinbote
i agree with the overall assessment that this offseason has a decidedly bizzaro world feel to it. among the ideas we're potentially being asked to swallow:

1. we need more pitching
2. juan pierre is a solution in leftfield
3. laroche is not ready
4. kemp is the next milton bradley
5. torre is the savior
6. m. cabrera is worth 4 players
7. billingsley is expendable
8. lowe and kent are good clubhouse guys
9. veterans are better than youngsters
10. batting .330 with power and potential to improve is not really worth celebrating

as far as i'm concerned, let's just sign andruw jones and hang it all . . .

2007-11-14 10:10:47
29.   old dodger fan
24 Further down in the article it says AROD approached the Yankees thru a 3rd party.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3109894

2007-11-14 10:11:03
30.   Bob Timmermann
26
I'll drink the Diet Pepsi and take the peaches to a food bank.
2007-11-14 10:11:10
31.   fanerman
26 Airplane tickets to Delaware?
2007-11-14 10:12:03
32.   D4P
In fact, I think it's a brilliant stroke by the Yanks. They get to indicate that they're interested in ARod, knowing full well that their request will be denied.

They have nothing to lose. Boras, on the other hand, will look self-centered and domineering by refusing to allow ARod to talk to the Yanks without him.

Fantastic.

2007-11-14 10:13:32
33.   D4P
Can one of you baseball-researchy types teach me how to look up the following information (so I can do it for myself in the future):

The greatest number of PAs (or ABs) for a leftfielder in a single season with zero HRs.

2007-11-14 10:13:38
34.   Humma Kavula
32 I just harbor ill will against the Steinbrenners because they go by diminuitives of the same name.
2007-11-14 10:15:07
35.   Gr-ool
14 Much as Colletti was bitter with the same agent not so long ago.
2007-11-14 10:15:09
36.   Jon Weisman
33 - I did this once already. You might check the archives.
2007-11-14 10:15:19
37.   Sam DC
They have nothing to lose. Boras, on the other hand, will look self-centered and domineering by refusing to allow ARod to talk to the Yanks without him.

I think it makes the Yankees look insecure and scared.

2007-11-14 10:15:37
38.   Jon Weisman
34 - "This is my brother Darryl, and this is my other brother Darryl."
2007-11-14 10:16:08
39.   Bob Timmermann
33
Spike Shannon had 589 ABs in 1906 while playing left for St. Louis and New York (both NL) with nary a homer.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/shannsp01.shtml

2007-11-14 10:16:57
40.   Humma Kavula
38 Absolutely. They should be on a situation comedy -- "Selig" -- about a lonely, befuddled baseball commissioner and the crazy kooks that surround him.
2007-11-14 10:17:11
41.   Sam DC
39 But at least his name was Spike.
2007-11-14 10:17:25
42.   D4P
39
I asked you to teach me how to fish, but you just gave me the fish instead.
2007-11-14 10:17:28
43.   regfairfield
33 Spike Shannon, 1906 - 684 PA

You can get the all time leader free using Baseball Reference's play index.

2007-11-14 10:19:29
44.   D4P
I think it makes the Yankees look insecure and scared

I think it makes the Yankees look like they're calling the shots and can leave ARod if he won't play by their rules.

They've got hand. (Whether they're gonna need it or not remains to be seen)

2007-11-14 10:19:31
45.   Bob Timmermann
37
As I said above, it makes the Yankees look like they are trying to cheat Alex Rodriguez.

Alex Rodriguez is a professional baseball player. He is very good at hitting home runs and stuff like that.

Scott Boras is a professional negotiator. He knows the ins and outs of contracts worth in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

I'm not letting a guy who has a high school education negotiate a contract when I can get someone who knows what's he doing to do it for me.

If Sam invited me to DC by handing me a subpoena, I'd certainly get an attorney no matter what the topic was.

2007-11-14 10:20:27
46.   Bob Timmermann
42
Was it a good fish?
2007-11-14 10:21:59
47.   Jon Weisman
42 - Actually, I just gave you the bait and the pole, and neither taught you how to fish nor gave you the fish.
2007-11-14 10:22:27
48.   Kevin Lewis
The San Diego article just offers a little blip about the Matt Kemp thing with no support or any details on how that would even happen.

Jon,

I doubly apologize for my comment earlier, and I make a new commitment to read the rumor junk first hand before I comment.

2007-11-14 10:22:45
49.   old dodger fan
33 Of the 10 NL left fielders who qualified for the batting title in 2007 the lowest number of HR's was 15 which was a tie between our own LuGo and Ryan Church. I know that is not what you asked but I thought it was interesting.
2007-11-14 10:22:57
50.   Kevin Lewis
Bob just threw the fish at him
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2007-11-14 10:23:12
51.   D4P
43
"The full report is visible only to Baseball-Reference PI subscribers"

it makes the Yankees look like they are trying to cheat Alex Rodriguez

Except that he is fully capable of refusing their offer. They can't "cheat" him without his complete approval and knowledge, in which case he wouldn't be getting cheated.

2007-11-14 10:23:12
52.   Humma Kavula
45 I like the new Bob!
2007-11-14 10:25:44
53.   fanerman
Good strategy or not, I find the Yankees move to be rather petty.

If Pierre ended up moving to LF, it would be a little sadistically fun to watch him "chase" history.

2007-11-14 10:25:56
54.   DodgerBakers
19 Hooray for Arial! A close relative of Helvetica which is celebrating 50 years of glory!
2007-11-14 10:25:57
55.   Bob Timmermann
I believe that the Yankees could only negotiate with Alex Rodriguez without Scott Boras in the room. They can't deny him the right to have his agent with him under the terms of the CBA.

Players went on strike for the right to have representation. This isn't the 1950s where Walter O'Malley or Buzzie Bavasi would refuse to even acknowledge a player's agent.

2007-11-14 10:26:20
56.   D4P
The other aspect of the Yankee story is that it shows that they're (predictably) concerned about replacing ARod's production in the lineup and/or finding a better option at 3B than Betemit.

If they're gonna break their word and come groveling back to ARod, I don't blame them for not wanting to have to face Boras after promising they wouldn't. Not that I respect their flip-flopping.

2007-11-14 10:26:26
57.   fanerman
53 That should be Yankees' (unless it's supposed to be Yankees's).
2007-11-14 10:30:48
58.   jasonungar07
http://tinyurl.com/2pkgwq

good stuff for a change

2007-11-14 10:31:58
59.   regfairfield
51 You still get number one and number 134 to the end.
2007-11-14 10:32:33
60.   fanerman
58 Is that what the Minotaur really looks like? Or is that just an artist's depiction?
2007-11-14 10:33:01
61.   Robert Daeley
Even assuming this alleged John Le Carré-esque communication between A-Rod and the Yankees is for real, I imagine A-Rod could and would bring representation with him. It just couldn't be Boras.
2007-11-14 10:35:33
62.   Bob Timmermann
61
True, Boras has a lot of staff and he obviously represents more players than he can physically be present for negotiations.

Then all the employee has to do is just get on his cell phone and say, "Hey, Scott, the Yankees offered X dollars for Y years?"

2007-11-14 10:36:30
63.   LAT
Add another quality 3B to the growing supply. Arod may have picked the wrong year to opt out.

http://tinyurl.com/24u8fu

2007-11-14 10:38:21
64.   LAT
To the extent we need a 3B I'm glad its a good market for them. I would hate to be looking for a starting catcher this year. Just ask the Mets who will over pay for whatever they get.
2007-11-14 10:40:33
65.   Sam DC
63 It is an enormously complicated environment for 3B deals this year, with so many different sorts of teams and players out there. Really fascinating.
2007-11-14 10:40:45
66.   regfairfield
63 We may have actually found fair value for Juan Pierre. .265/.331/.398 last year, still owed 39 million dollars until 2010.
2007-11-14 10:43:54
67.   Humma Kavula
66 Here's a question for somebody who has been paying more attention than I have:

Is this statement true or false: Scott Rolen hits well when he's healthy, but lately, isn't often healthy.

2007-11-14 10:44:41
68.   Jon Weisman
48 - You guys don't need to apologize - I'm just trying to look out for you so you don't get overanxious. :)
2007-11-14 10:47:05
69.   Kevin Lewis
63

See! At least STL is saying positive things about Rolen in the article. This is what Ned needs to be doing about anyone who is possibly on the trading block.

2007-11-14 10:47:41
70.   MMSMikey
Please Ned, dont do it.

Cabrera to L.A.?
Nov 14 - It's looking more and more like Miguel Cabrera will be playing in Southern California next year, with the Dodgers and Angels as the front-runners to land the third baseman in a trade, The Palm Beach Post reports.

Florida's goal is to complete a trade at baseball's winter meetings in early December, the newspaper reports.

The Marlins are believed to be asking the Angels for second baseman Howie Kendrick and pitching prospect Nick Adenhart along with another pitcher and an outfielder.

The Dodgers reportedly would have to give up four players from a group that includes pitcher Chad Billingsley, pitching prospect Clayton Kershaw, third baseman Andy LaLoche, first baseman James Loney and outfielder Matt Kemp.

2007-11-14 10:50:25
71.   Sam DC
69 I find that really frustrating too.
2007-11-14 10:50:38
72.   Kevin Lewis
70

Another example for the original post?

2007-11-14 10:51:20
73.   Terry A
66 The difference: Scott Rolen is a good baseball player who's rarely healthy. Juan Pierre is, well, always healthy.
2007-11-14 10:51:27
74.   Bob Timmermann
This is from the Article IV of the Collective Bargaining Agreement for MLB.

If the Association has notified the Office of the Commissioner that a
Player has designated a certified Player Agent or Agents to act on his
behalf for the purposes described in this Article IV, no Club may negotiate
or attempt to negotiate an individual salary and/or Special
Covenants to be included in a Uniform Player's Contract with any
Player Agent(s) other than such Player Agent(s).
A Club may require a Player's physical presence only once during contract
negotiations. This limitation shall not apply to telephone conference
calls, at reasonable times, with a Player and his certified Player
Agent. A Player required to be physically present during negotiations
shall be entitled to be paid by the Club for round-trip first-class transportation
and first-class hotel costs.

I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV.

2007-11-14 10:55:32
75.   Humma Kavula
When McCourt decides to sell, maybe we should just buy the Dodgers:

http://www.salon.com/sports/col/kaufman/2007/11/14/wednesday/

2007-11-14 10:56:41
76.   SG6
Maybe Boras will ask Tom Cruise to act on his behalf? Tom certainly knows the drill: Show Me The Money!
2007-11-14 10:57:32
77.   fanerman
75 If "we" = Dodger Thoughts, I'm in (provided I win the lotto). If "we" = entire Dodger fanbase, no way. I shudder to think all those internet message board Dodger fans would do if they had control of the team.
2007-11-14 10:57:37
78.   regfairfield
73 Scott Rolen was a good ball player. Now, not so much.
2007-11-14 11:00:16
79.   LAT
I believe the Yanks offered A-Rod $234M. Now they say they would bring him back but require a $21M discount to off set the Texas subsidy. That means its $213M. I don't know how many years we're talking about but assuming its 8-10, Frank should jump at matching that offer. Andruw Jones or Tori Hunter will cost you $17M per. Arod is worth $5M per year more than those two. He is worth it in terms of on the field production and people in the seats production. Jones nor Hunter will bring more people out the the Ravine.
2007-11-14 11:00:43
80.   D4P
74
So, Boras needn't be present, and the Yankees can only require ARod to present once.
2007-11-14 11:01:18
81.   Humma Kavula
77 I'm pretty sure that Jon doesn't want that kind of responsibility, but yes, I meant we-as-in-DT.
2007-11-14 11:02:20
82.   Terry A
Another little-known passage found in the CBA:

"Before beginning real work, every man should take mild doses of physic to work on the bowels."

2007-11-14 11:02:49
83.   Bob Timmermann
80
The Yankees either want Rodriguez to fire Boras or have one of Boras's representatives come.

Or they just want to drive up the price.

2007-11-14 11:03:36
84.   fanerman
82 I thought I heard that line in Sports Night.
2007-11-14 11:04:29
85.   D4P
83
Nothing wrong with that. Again, ARod is free to reject their terms and look elsewhere, just as he did when he decided to opt out.
2007-11-14 11:07:20
86.   Terry A
84 - That's where Don Fehr got it.
2007-11-14 11:20:42
87.   RobertoBaly
I know some of you want Pierre out. But seriously, is it possible ? With a huge contract, who is going to want Pierre ? I'm afraid that we are stuck with him. Unless we trade him and agree to pay some of his money.
2007-11-14 11:22:45
88.   old dodger fan
87 Just because you keep him does not mean you have to start him.
2007-11-14 11:23:10
89.   fanerman
87 We want Pierre out the way the Padres want Matt Kemp and the way Bob wants a pony.
2007-11-14 11:24:49
90.   Penarol1916
85. Actually, there is something wrong with that. What the Yankees are alleged to have done is illegal tampering in trying to get ARod have different representation. I also don't understand how you read 74. as allowing Boras to not be present, it specifically states that the club can only negotiate with the player's specified agent. I never would have thought that D4P would be an apologist for management and denigrate labor.
2007-11-14 11:25:59
91.   old dodger fan
Eric Wedge and Bob Melvin are Managers of the Year
2007-11-14 11:31:23
92.   D4P
90
no Club may negotiate or attempt to negotiate an individual salary and/or Special Covenants to be included in a Uniform Player's Contract with any Player Agent(s) other than such Player Agent(s).

This does not say that the player's agent has to be present, it just says that if you're gonna negotiate with an agent, it has to be the player's agent. This does not preclude negotiating directly with the player.

Plus, I'm not an apologist for management in general. Baseball is different from "the real world" in at least two important ways.

1. The Little Guy in baseball makes 300 hundred something thousand a year, and once you've been around a while, you make a lot more than that, even if you suck (e.g. Brett Tomko, etc.). The Little Guy in the real world makes significantly less money, sometimes in the 4 figures.

2. In baseball, we root for the team. It's nice if the individuals do well, but that's a secondary concern. In the real world, we care about individuals, not so much the corporations and businesses they work for.

2007-11-14 11:31:28
93.   tsundstrom
Does anyone else find the whole hot stove season a horrible and frightening experience? I just hope other fans of teams are constanly worrying and cringing in fear like most of us are at the sounds of some of these reports. Thanks for keeping me entertained during this day long training session at work!

Thomas

2007-11-14 11:34:21
94.   goofus
I think this is maybe how we ended up with Pierre: Flanders was feeling his oats (after all, he's a big boy GM now) and got in a friendly game of 'chicken' with his ex-boss, Sabean. Sabean flinched first; accident or by design, he screwed the Dodgers. I'm sure this is on his personal victory list.
2007-11-14 11:36:20
95.   LAT
83. I think by requiring the discount they are trying to drive the price down.
2007-11-14 11:36:37
96.   RobertoBaly
88 Oh yeah right, we are going to keep a $ 44 million dollar contract on the bench. The Dodgers won't do that.
2007-11-14 11:36:38
97.   old dodger fan
93 I feel like I own a truck that has a lot of very valuable stuff in it and it is being driven by someone I fear does not know how to drive. I hope I am wrong and he is actually a good driver but he had an accident last year (JP) that still makes me nervous. It makes what should be an enjoyable time a nerve wracking experience. If he can just deliver my cargo to Vero Beach next Spring intact I will be ever so happy.
2007-11-14 11:36:40
98.   Penarol1916
92. The way I read it, it does, as long as the player has already designated an agent. And what the Yankees are doing is still tampering. Once you start with this encouraging mostly poorly educated guys to negotiate their own contract, you start down a very slippery slope where those that produce the income are severely exploited.
2007-11-14 11:36:59
99.   fanerman