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Current Roster with Estimated 2008 Salaries
(updated March 28)
Most figures are estimates (some are wild estimates) but will be updated as information comes in. Corrections welcome.
More contract details here.
Starting Pitchers (5)
$12,300,000 Hiroki Kuroda
$10,000,000 Derek Lowe
$9,500,000 Brad Penny
$7,000,000 Esteban Loaiza
*$500,000 Chad Billingsley
Total: $39,300,000
Bullpen (6)
$2,000,000 Takashi Saito
$1,925,000 Joe Beimel
$1,125,000 Scott Proctor
*$500,000 Jonathan Broxton
$500,000 Chan Ho Park
*$400,000 Hong-Chih Kuo
Total: $6,450,000
Starting Lineup (8)
$14,100,000 Andruw Jones
$13,000,000 Rafael Furcal
$9,000,000 Jeff Kent
$8,500,000 Nomar Garciaparra
$8,000,000 Juan Pierre
$500,000 Russell Martin
*$400,000 James Loney
*$400,000 Matt Kemp
Total: $53,900,000
Bench (6)
$875,000 Gary Bennett
$600,000 Mark Sweeney
$424,500 Andre Ethier
$391,000 Delwyn Young
$390,000 Chin-Lung Hu
$390,000 Blake DeWitt
Total: $3,071,000
Disabled List
$12,000,000 Jason Schmidt
*$400,000 Tony Abreu
*$390,000 Andy LaRoche
Total: $12,790,000
Also Paying ...
$1,000,000 Brett Tomko
$750,000 Odalis Perez
$540,000 Yhency Brazoban
$500,000 Randy Wolf
$487,500 Jason Repko
$135,225 Rudy Seanez
$100,000 Mike Lieberthal
$50,000 Ramon Martinez
Total: $3,562,725
Working total: *$113,268,725
*Rough salary estimate
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Or, How To Survive the Hot Stove League Without Getting Burned
(Originally published October 10, 2006)
1) Rumors are not facts.2) Teams and agents often float rumors to generate attention or to misdirect rivals. The media will report these rumors without much concern over how viable they are. The rumor is the news - whether it comes to fruition or not is not the media's problem (or so the media has decided).
3) A report that agents, players or teams "were talking" is meaningless. People talk all the time. It doesn't mean anything will come of it.
4) Any rumor attributed to an anonymous source is particularly useless.
5) Making judgments about a general manager based on a rumor reflects poorly on the judge.
6) Many deals, if not most, are never rumored, but spring up out of the blue.
7) Many are eager to pass along rumors. If you are planning to post a rumor here, please check to see if it has been posted already. But whatever you do, don't take the rumors too seriously.
- Your Friendly Hot Stove Curmudgeon
Update: I'm not telling you not to have fun with the Hot Stove. Have fun! I'm just saying that from my experience here, people take the rumors way too seriously, discussion gets heated, and the fun goes away. And that's what I'd like to avoid.
I'm adding:
8) Hometown papers will often inflate the value of their own players, either on their own initative or that of their sources, and print particularly unrealistic trade packages.
General manager Ned Colletti has confirmed that the Dodgers are looking for a centerfielder, with the thought of moving Juan Pierre to left. This comes just one year after Colletti signed Pierre to a five-year, $44 million deal. Either Colletti saw this coming and planned on it all along (unlikely), or he recognized his mistake and is moving quickly to correct it. Either way, that's too much to pay an outfielder with no power (one home run in his last 872 plate appearances) and a miserable on-base percentage (.331 last year).
My favorites are when people quote some Fox Sports or AOL blogger who has no more insider info than we do, basically making up some farfetched rumor and then freaking out about it.
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Donovan's analysis at the end is right; center or left, he should be a 4th outfielder. It still amazes me how surprised Colletti now seems by Pierre's abilities and lack thereof, when he was exactly what they should've expected, but we've covered that question ad nauseum here already.
Possible Explanation #3: He recognized his mistake and is moving quickly to compound it.
http://dcbb.blogspot.com/
The New York Yankees have been discussing a deal with their former All-Star third baseman Alex Rodriguez -- but the team says a deal can only move forward if his agent, Scott Boras, is not part of the talks, the New York Daily News reported Wednesday.
According to the report, a high-ranking Yankees source said the team is willing to bring back A-Rod on a below-market contract that would make up for the $21 million subsidy from the Texas Rangers that the Yankees lost when A-Rod opted out of the final three years of his contract -- despite team comments indicating he had burned his bridges by opting out.
But any such deal can't take place with Boras at the table, a Yankee source said, according to the report.
"We will not negotiate with Scott Boras," the source told the Daily News. "He cannot be in the room."
Why don't the Yankees just take over the Administration Building at Columbia too and hand over a list of non-negotiable demands?
How can you force a player to negotiate without his paid representative? A man who is authorized by MLBPA to negotiate contracts as an agent.
I wonder if the Yankees front office, if given the chance to operate as judges, would suspend the Fourth, Fifth, and Seventh amendments to the Constitution.
And maybe the Third while they're at it.
They may have heard one thing we said at Dodgerthoughts day:
http://www.dailynews.com/ci_7455418
Homer: Marge, since I'm not talking to Lisa, could you please ask her to pass me the syrup?
Marge: (sighs) Please pass your father the syrup, Lisa.
Lisa: Bart, tell Dad I'll only pass the syrup if it won't be used on any meat products
Bart: You dunking your sausages in that syrup, Homeboy?
Homer: Marge, tell Bart I just want to drink a nice glass of syrup like I do every morning
And so on and so forth.
From that article:
"Some nights, there were fewer than less than 50 passengers aboard, said Camille Johnston, Dodgers spokeswoman."
I'm hoping Camille Johnston didn't say "fewer than less than" especially since the guy asking the question is a retired English teacher from my high school.
No details are provided:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/padres/20071114-9999-1s14padres.html
T.J. Simers actually has a non-horrible article today! It's relatively free of cheap shots and stupid nicknames.
vr, Xei
Thanks for the link Sam. I am in the same camp that feels his season was due to health issues and not PED's or declining skills.
The problems as he stated is if the shoulder/elbow will continue to be problems or if rest will take care of them. We all know how Shawn Green's shoulder sapped him of his power and how he was never able to recover the stroke that gave him the Dodger single season home run record.
Still, if true -- and that's a very big if -- it's quite insane.
I would be highly insulted if somebody offered to do business with me, but only if my chosen representative -- who had done very well by me -- was not part of the discussion. I would tell them where they could put their offer.
If he gets a pony, then I want TWO ponies.
And a goat.
vr, Xei
ARod and his agent are free to refuse the request, and I'm sure they will.
1. we need more pitching
2. juan pierre is a solution in leftfield
3. laroche is not ready
4. kemp is the next milton bradley
5. torre is the savior
6. m. cabrera is worth 4 players
7. billingsley is expendable
8. lowe and kent are good clubhouse guys
9. veterans are better than youngsters
10. batting .330 with power and potential to improve is not really worth celebrating
as far as i'm concerned, let's just sign andruw jones and hang it all . . .
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3109894
I'll drink the Diet Pepsi and take the peaches to a food bank.
They have nothing to lose. Boras, on the other hand, will look self-centered and domineering by refusing to allow ARod to talk to the Yanks without him.
Fantastic.
The greatest number of PAs (or ABs) for a leftfielder in a single season with zero HRs.
I think it makes the Yankees look insecure and scared.
Spike Shannon had 589 ABs in 1906 while playing left for St. Louis and New York (both NL) with nary a homer.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/shannsp01.shtml
I asked you to teach me how to fish, but you just gave me the fish instead.
You can get the all time leader free using Baseball Reference's play index.
I think it makes the Yankees look like they're calling the shots and can leave ARod if he won't play by their rules.
They've got hand. (Whether they're gonna need it or not remains to be seen)
As I said above, it makes the Yankees look like they are trying to cheat Alex Rodriguez.
Alex Rodriguez is a professional baseball player. He is very good at hitting home runs and stuff like that.
Scott Boras is a professional negotiator. He knows the ins and outs of contracts worth in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
I'm not letting a guy who has a high school education negotiate a contract when I can get someone who knows what's he doing to do it for me.
If Sam invited me to DC by handing me a subpoena, I'd certainly get an attorney no matter what the topic was.
Was it a good fish?
Jon,
I doubly apologize for my comment earlier, and I make a new commitment to read the rumor junk first hand before I comment.
"The full report is visible only to Baseball-Reference PI subscribers"
it makes the Yankees look like they are trying to cheat Alex Rodriguez
Except that he is fully capable of refusing their offer. They can't "cheat" him without his complete approval and knowledge, in which case he wouldn't be getting cheated.
If Pierre ended up moving to LF, it would be a little sadistically fun to watch him "chase" history.
Players went on strike for the right to have representation. This isn't the 1950s where Walter O'Malley or Buzzie Bavasi would refuse to even acknowledge a player's agent.
If they're gonna break their word and come groveling back to ARod, I don't blame them for not wanting to have to face Boras after promising they wouldn't. Not that I respect their flip-flopping.
good stuff for a change
True, Boras has a lot of staff and he obviously represents more players than he can physically be present for negotiations.
Then all the employee has to do is just get on his cell phone and say, "Hey, Scott, the Yankees offered X dollars for Y years?"
http://tinyurl.com/24u8fu
Is this statement true or false: Scott Rolen hits well when he's healthy, but lately, isn't often healthy.
See! At least STL is saying positive things about Rolen in the article. This is what Ned needs to be doing about anyone who is possibly on the trading block.
Cabrera to L.A.?
Nov 14 - It's looking more and more like Miguel Cabrera will be playing in Southern California next year, with the Dodgers and Angels as the front-runners to land the third baseman in a trade, The Palm Beach Post reports.
Florida's goal is to complete a trade at baseball's winter meetings in early December, the newspaper reports.
The Marlins are believed to be asking the Angels for second baseman Howie Kendrick and pitching prospect Nick Adenhart along with another pitcher and an outfielder.
The Dodgers reportedly would have to give up four players from a group that includes pitcher Chad Billingsley, pitching prospect Clayton Kershaw, third baseman Andy LaLoche, first baseman James Loney and outfielder Matt Kemp.
Another example for the original post?
If the Association has notified the Office of the Commissioner that a
Player has designated a certified Player Agent or Agents to act on his
behalf for the purposes described in this Article IV, no Club may negotiate
or attempt to negotiate an individual salary and/or Special
Covenants to be included in a Uniform Player's Contract with any
Player Agent(s) other than such Player Agent(s).
A Club may require a Player's physical presence only once during contract
negotiations. This limitation shall not apply to telephone conference
calls, at reasonable times, with a Player and his certified Player
Agent. A Player required to be physically present during negotiations
shall be entitled to be paid by the Club for round-trip first-class transportation
and first-class hotel costs.
I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV.
http://www.salon.com/sports/col/kaufman/2007/11/14/wednesday/
So, Boras needn't be present, and the Yankees can only require ARod to present once.
"Before beginning real work, every man should take mild doses of physic to work on the bowels."
The Yankees either want Rodriguez to fire Boras or have one of Boras's representatives come.
Or they just want to drive up the price.
Nothing wrong with that. Again, ARod is free to reject their terms and look elsewhere, just as he did when he decided to opt out.
no Club may negotiate or attempt to negotiate an individual salary and/or Special Covenants to be included in a Uniform Player's Contract with any Player Agent(s) other than such Player Agent(s).
This does not say that the player's agent has to be present, it just says that if you're gonna negotiate with an agent, it has to be the player's agent. This does not preclude negotiating directly with the player.
Plus, I'm not an apologist for management in general. Baseball is different from "the real world" in at least two important ways.
1. The Little Guy in baseball makes 300 hundred something thousand a year, and once you've been around a while, you make a lot more than that, even if you suck (e.g. Brett Tomko, etc.). The Little Guy in the real world makes significantly less money, sometimes in the 4 figures.
2. In baseball, we root for the team. It's nice if the individuals do well, but that's a secondary concern. In the real world, we care about individuals, not so much the corporations and businesses they work for.
Thomas