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Dodgers Sign Kuroda
2007-12-15 15:51
by Jon Weisman

Tony Jackson of the Daily News was the first to say it was a done deal, reporting the contract at $36 million to $40 million for three years, and now the Dodgers have announced that Hiroki Kuroda will be introduced as a Dodger at a 12 noon press conference Sunday.

Esteban Loaiza and Jason Schmidt are now competing to be the team's No. 5 starter. (No, Chad Billingsley cannot go back to the bullpen. He's proven too much that he belongs in the rotation.)

Dylan Hernandez of the Times still has the contract peaking at $36 million. We'll see who's right soon enough.

Previously on Dodger Thoughts: "Mutual of Kuroda". And since most are optimistic about Kuroda's potential impact on the Dodgers, here's a more pessimistic writeup from True Blue L.A.

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2007-12-15 15:59:47
1.   Eric Stephen
If the Dodgers can make it through the season with 5 guys making 95% of starts, that would be a successful season

That would be outstanding!

Here are the starts made by the top 5 pitchers for each NL club in 2007:

Chi - 152 (93.8%)
SD - 143 (87.7%)
Ari - 139 (85.8%)
Mil - 137 (84.6%)
SF - 136 (84.0%)
NY - 133 (82.1%)
Atl - 133 (82.1%)
Hou - 131 (80.9%)
Fla - 131 (80.9%)
Cin - 129 (79.6%)
Pit - 127 (78.4%)
StL - 125 (77.2%)
Phi - 123 (75.9%)
Col - 122 (74.8%)
LA - 118 (72.8%)
Was - 103 (63.6%)

2007-12-15 16:03:29
2.   GoBears
2. Totally got LAT'd there. Harumph.

Bob is right (staggering, I know): Kuroda (黒田) means "black field."

2007-12-15 16:03:48
3.   Greg Brock
No southpaws. I guess that shouldn't really be a bother, but it sort of is.

Who was the last quality lefty we had?

2007-12-15 16:06:18
4.   Eric Stephen
3
Odalis
2007-12-15 16:06:46
5.   natepurcell
Odalis Perez!
2007-12-15 16:09:12
6.   Greg Brock
Can't believe I forgot about the Fat Tub of Goo.

And the Dodgers treated him like a trash. Shame on them. And me.

2007-12-15 16:10:01
7.   Eric Stephen
Not many dope lefties in the last 30 years.

Fernando
Reuss
Honeycutt
Odalis

http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/VgHy

2007-12-15 16:10:49
8.   Andrew Shimmin
Bob Ojeda had a good year. And then a crummy one.
2007-12-15 16:11:04
9.   FirstMohican
The NLW is going to be ridiculous next year.
2007-12-15 16:12:36
10.   Xeifrank
So far it seems like the Dodgers and Diamondbacks have gotten better, the Rockies, Gianta and Padres standing pat. Looks like the NL West will be solid again this year. vr, Xei
2007-12-15 16:13:48
11.   roncey10
I have to admit that going into the off season, I was pretty sure that Colletti would burn at least one top young player to bring in a bat or starting pitcher.

Nice to see that he was able to fill the holes through free agency.

2007-12-15 16:14:32
12.   Marty
I'm a quality lefty.
2007-12-15 16:14:33
13.   Vishal
3 just wait for elbert and the minotaur. and maybe miller.
2007-12-15 16:16:58
14.   Greg Brock
12 But you bat right. Throw left, bat right. Ouch.

13 Never heard of him.

2007-12-15 16:17:06
15.   Eric Stephen
Everyone knows Matt Kemp could throw 24 shutouts a season left-handed, but he chooses not to just to keep it fair.
2007-12-15 16:18:20
16.   MC Safety
10 Aaron Rowand makes the Giants a tiny bit better. And the Padres are stockpiling lefty's as well, though Edmonds isnt that good anymore.
2007-12-15 16:18:56
17.   GoBears
10. The Giants so far have replaced Barry Bonds with Aaron Rowand.

Hmm. Bonds and Aaron....IN-teresting...

2007-12-15 16:21:39
18.   bhsportsguy
So Andy Pettite admits to using HGH in 2002 and thought he got it from Clemen's trainer. Of course, he signed his contract just before the report came out. To be fair he could have just opted in right after the season.
2007-12-15 16:22:22
19.   Vishal
16 i know he's a much better fielder than bonds is at this stage, but bonds can still outhit him.
2007-12-15 16:23:26
20.   Xeifrank
16. The Giants lose Bonds' production.
vr, Xei
2007-12-15 16:24:04
21.   alexx
What do people think are the chances Pierre gets traded to the White Sox? It seems like a perfect fit to me, as they claim to need a proven leadoff hitter. I have a feeling Ned is going to do the right thing.
2007-12-15 16:25:04
22.   Xeifrank
ZIPS has Kuroda with...

2007 ERA+ 115
Optimistic: 136
Pessimistic: 92

2009 ERA+ 112
2010 ERA+ 105

vr, Xei

2007-12-15 16:25:07
23.   68elcamino427
Will Saito now get paid a recruiting bonus, or will he have to wait, with the bonus being contingent on how well Kuroda pitches?
2007-12-15 16:27:56
24.   MC Safety
20 True, I at least know the defense gets better.
2007-12-15 16:29:05
25.   ToyCannon
I thought Wilson Alveraz gave us some good innings.
2007-12-15 16:29:43
26.   Vishal
21 i've thought about this. what would we get back?

i know, who cares, right? but seriously, ned has to ask for SOMETHING back. maybe a single prospect of middling quality? i just hope we don't end up with joe crede on our hands.

2007-12-15 16:31:50
27.   alexx
26 I don't know. Do they have any medium level relief prospects or something? I wonder if Ned will be able to resist taking back Crede.
2007-12-15 16:32:46
28.   Eric Stephen
25
You are right of course. I did a quick search of seasons of 100 IP with 100 ERA+, and Wilson's 2003 had only 95 IP.

Man, that 2003 pitching staff was good.

2007-12-15 16:37:20
29.   68elcamino427
Penny
Lowe
Billingsley
Kuroda
Schmidt/Loaiza/Kershaw

How many times will the 5th starter be skipped in April and May?

2007-12-15 16:38:52
30.   Kingmans Performance
28 Thank you Paul Lo Duca?
2007-12-15 16:39:49
31.   natepurcell
26

Fautino De Los Santos!

2007-12-15 16:43:40
32.   Wilbert Robinson
Is Sidney Ponson available?
2007-12-15 16:45:04
33.   therickdaddy
35.3 for 3 years per Gurnick.
2007-12-15 16:46:44
34.   Eric Stephen
29
Dodgers have 7 off days in the first 62 days of the season, but the off days are scheduled such that the 5th starter should get 7 starts in the first 55 games (with 12 each for the other 4). But it never seems to work out like that.
2007-12-15 16:49:26
35.   Eric Stephen
33
I haven't read the article yet, but I'm guessing the quote was something like "Kuroda will receive $35.3 million over the next three seasons, and could shift to 3rd base if needed since he's obviously better than Andy LaRoche.
2007-12-15 16:52:24
36.   Jon Weisman
So, UCLA hoops chat at 5 and Cardinal bump-set-spike chat at 6?
2007-12-15 16:59:45
37.   Bob Timmermann
36
But I'm going to dinner at 7!
2007-12-15 17:04:55
38.   Duranimal
I'm glad we signed Jones and Kuroda instead of trading away the farm, but for what we spent on both of them, we could have gotten A-Rod. I don't like A-Rod, and I'm glad he's not the face of the franchise, but at least you know what you're going to get.
2007-12-15 17:07:27
39.   Bluebleeder87
Andrew makes some nice factual points about Kuroda & it also makes me wonder, maybe Kuroda has a mechanical flaw or maybe he holds the slider a certain way that makes it stay up? I don't right pretty but I know the basics about pitching & maybe Honeycutt can work with him a little bit. It will be interesting watching him in spring training, I can't wait.
2007-12-15 17:09:04
40.   trainwreck
I don't get the UCLA game till 11:00, I think. I will be waiting anxiously to see if UCLA can get through the Idaho-State powerhouse.

I will try to watch some of the volleyball game.

2007-12-15 17:09:43
41.   Joe Pierre
This makes it a great off season for the Dodgers, The signing of Andruw Jones who I don't think of as coming off an off year, but a good 26HR and great 94RBI year. Russell Martin wins the Tip O'Neil award right after the Michell Report and now THIS,Without given up a player Who could ask for any thing more? Who could ask for anything more?**not me.----We do have a log jam in the OF, by why spoil the mood.
2007-12-15 17:10:36
42.   Robert Daeley
38 Unfortunately, your scenario requires the actual availability of A-Rod -- something which has been called into question after how things went down.
2007-12-15 17:10:40
43.   trainwreck
Now I will be anxiously awaiting to see if Ned makes anymore moves, while hoping we do absolutely nothing.

Well, unless we can get rid of that one problem.

2007-12-15 17:11:37
44.   Bluebleeder87
Dude, sometimes the toaster doesn't let me edit my writing & it sends it straight out! I'm sure it was just a glitch though.
2007-12-15 17:14:26
45.   underdog
13 At this point I feel like waiting for Miller is like waiting for Godot.

I'm not holding my breath, though I'd love it if he turned things back around. Better chance we'll see Elbert and Kershaw within the year.

I'm down with this signing. Now just trade Pierre for the magic beans and it's a nice offseason.

2007-12-15 17:16:20
46.   Gr-ool
And, it's officially "hoorah!" Well done.
2007-12-15 17:17:04
47.   GoBears
38. I love A-Rod, but I like what Colletti did better. Dodgers needed a CFer and another pitcher. They didn't need a 3bman (despite what Gurnick thinks) or a SS. Obviously signing A-Rod could have led to other things, but I'm happy with this. Hendrickson is already gone. Pierre has been replaced, and could be outta here (or at least on the bench) soon.

It's almost like Colletti lost a bet. What he has done this off-season has been completely out of character, and as far as I'm concerned, he hasn't made a single mistake ('cept maybe to overpay, but what do I care?).

When the DBax and Rockies knocked out Philly and Chicago last postseason, I was hoping that Colletti would take from that the lesson that talent is more important than PVL. Whether he actually learned that, or, as I say, lost a bet that meant he HAD to keep all the kids for 2008, I don't care. For whatever reason, he has made a series of smart decisions.

Only one more to go.

2007-12-15 17:17:58
48.   unassisted
Doesn't it seem strange to have an introductory press conference on a Sunday?
2007-12-15 17:18:23
49.   trainwreck
Sweet, found the UCLA game on TV and it is already looking like a cake walk.
2007-12-15 17:20:32
50.   Bob Timmermann
48
Perhaps Kuroda has to catch a flight back home. It's not like the LA sports media is busy on Sundays this time of year.
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2007-12-15 17:23:46
51.   GoBears
47. On second thought, maybe his moves haven't been completely out of character. He signed AJ to a huge, short-term contract (cf. Furcal). He didn't do it after a career year, but he paid the guy like 2007 was a career year.

He signed Kuroda, who is by all accounts a middling starter, and veteran (if not proven in MLB). But he's not an injury concern (Wolf, Schmidt) and he's not a proven disaster (Tomko, Hendrickson).

The big news is that he hasn't made (so far) a single trade of even a 2nd tier prospect for veteran garbage.

So, in retrospect, his moves have been brilliant only in comparison with the worst-case scenarios that were rumored, most likely without any basis in truth. Still, I'll take marginally good moves over marginally bad or pointless moves.

2007-12-15 17:26:54
52.   Bluebleeder87
('cept maybe to overpay, but what do I care?).

It ain't my money...

2007-12-15 17:28:52
53.   Joshua Worley
A grim comparison:

Newly Signed Dodger Hiroki Kuroda

2007 Central League ERA ranking: 9
ERA: 3.56
Innings: 179.7
Strikeouts: 123
Walks: 42
Homeruns: 20

Mystery Japanese Pitcher

2007 Central League ERA ranking: 12
ERA: 4.19
Innings: 166.7
Strikeouts: 163
Walks: 49
Homeruns: 21

The mystery pitcher is Kaz Ishii.

I hope this doesn't mean anything. Probably it doesn't.

2007-12-15 17:30:24
54.   D4P
I'm declaring the Kuroda contract a bust. Not that he'll necessarily suck, but he won't be worth the money he's getting paid.
2007-12-15 17:31:52
55.   Duranimal
I think A-Rod was pretty available. He had pissed off the Yanks, and no other teams were interested. If anything, we had more leverage than normal.

Overall, it's too easy to give a GM credit for signing free agents. It's more about how much budget you have - not skill.

2007-12-15 17:32:17
56.   Jon Weisman
54 - How do you decide if he's worth the money? Sincere question.
2007-12-15 17:32:24
57.   Eric Stephen
That John Wooden UCLA commercial ("Champions Made Here") is pretty cool, even for a USC fan.
2007-12-15 17:36:33
58.   GoBears
54. You've already established your position that no professional athlete is "worth" the money he is paid, so I'm not thinking this is a particularly bold prediction.
2007-12-15 17:36:41
59.   Robert Daeley
56 Truthiness. He feels it's true, therefore it is.

53 The #12 in ERA for 2007 in the Central League was Takayuki Kishi.

http://www.japanesebaseball.com/players/player.jsp?PlayerID=2147

2007-12-15 17:36:43
60.   MJW101
Bob & Gobears,

fyi

Kuroi = black (drop the i)

ta = rice field (changes to da when combined)

Kuroda = black ricefield

the above is according to my wife (she is my informant on things japanese)

2007-12-15 17:37:13
61.   Eric Stephen
53
On he not-so-dark side, Kaz Ishii as a Dodger, even with the wildness, produced the following in three years:

473 IP, 36-25, 5.8 BB/9, 7.3 K/9, 92 ERA+

Obviously the control was horrible, but if Kuroda can be just a bit better than Ishii (which he was in 2007), I'd be fine with that.

2007-12-15 17:38:34
62.   Robert Daeley
53 59 Actually, strike that, you're right. I was looking at the Pacific League. Zigged when I should have zagged. ;)
2007-12-15 17:38:46
63.   LA Native
We may have overpaid for our free agents, but at least we didn't literally give up the farm. I am comfortable having Loazia and Schmidt battle it out for the 5th spot (god are we paying these two guys a ton of money to battle it out for the 5th spot, but we'll be lucky if one of them has a decent season next year much less counting on both of them).

Now we just need to trade Pierre to the Sox, before the Angels trade them Matthews and we are set to start the year. I don't care if we even get a decent reliever for him, although that would be nice. Lets just get rid of the contract.

2007-12-15 17:42:42
64.   Vishal
63 i don't care if we're still paying the contract. let's just get rid of the player :)
2007-12-15 17:43:25
65.   D4P
How do you decide if he's worth the money? Sincere question

Good question. There are a number of different ways you can approach worth. The one I have in mind involves calculating some kind of dollars per win share figure. He'll be outperformed by a lot of pitchers making less money, and I think his salary will exceed the dollars per win share figure.

2007-12-15 17:44:49
66.   immouch
dumb thought:
what if the kuroda deal is leverage for another deal? say, lowe, macdonald and, i dunno, dewitt for bedard. i'm not trying to spark a rumor; i'm trying to see the wisdom of a three-year deal for a 32-year old when you've got three potential starters at double A.... or, perhaps they're thinking of a similar offer (subbing ethier or, god love us, pierre, for dewitt) to get jason bay? all i'm suggesting is the acquisition of another mid-level, older ML-ready pitcher could be about flexibility.
2007-12-15 17:45:43
67.   GoBears
60 Yup. Been there, done that in 2 .

Ta (田) just means "field." It's usually used for "rice field," (after all, it's Japan), but not exclusively.

2007-12-15 17:46:32
68.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Weren't the latest rumors out of Chicago casting doubt on the possibility of a trade of JP?

I really think we're just going to have to live with Pierre on the roster in ST; I think a lot depends on whether or not Torre is willing and able to make Pierre be a fairly valuable (if hideously overpriced) 4th OF. As a 4th OF, Pierre actually in my opinion becomes useful; he can play all three OF positions, has the speed to be an effective pinch-runner, and is left-handed. I'd much rather him be the 4th OF than Repko, and unlike Young, he can play CF.

WWSH

2007-12-15 17:47:24
69.   MC Safety
How can we already say he's going to be outperformed by a lot of pitchers?
2007-12-15 17:47:30
70.   regfairfield
Why does it seem like I'm always the one with the pessimistic view?
2007-12-15 17:47:41
71.   JoeyP
Just a terrible use of asset allocation by Dodgers...

This regime's spending habits are truely late 1990's/early 2000s esque.

2007-12-15 17:48:34
72.   trainwreck
70
I thought that was D4P's image.
2007-12-15 17:48:40
73.   immouch
68
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Pierre can stand in the sun in any of the three places in the outfield. He can't play any of them, particularly RF
2007-12-15 17:48:46
74.   GoBears
65. Ah, well, that's fair. Of course, you have to adjust for the year in which the contract was signed. If the general price level (of baseball players) is going up, then you need to control for that.
2007-12-15 17:48:52
75.   Bob Timmermann
The ERA champ in the Central League would have been 8th in the Pacific League. And the Pacific League has the DH. But the Pacific League is also not big on getting good hitters.
2007-12-15 17:49:08
76.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 65

Of course, you'll have to compare Kuroda with other free agents, or make extrapolations regarding Dodger farmhands. And arguably, the only real apples-to-apples comparisons that could be made is with free agent pitchers available this season--i.e. the likes of Lohse and Silva.

WWSH

2007-12-15 17:49:29
77.   Eric Stephen
66
Lowe will be gone after 2008, opening a spot for Kershaw/McDonald/Elbert. Schmidt & Penny will be gone after 2009, opening up another two spots.

Plus, odds are that at least one Dodger starter will be hurt or ineffective in 2008, possibly opening up another spot. If a spot doesn't open up in 2008, that will be great for the team.

2007-12-15 17:49:35
78.   regfairfield
72 Yeah, but he doesn't have a link right at the top of the page pointing that out. I really do like the Dodgers.
2007-12-15 17:50:01
79.   JoeyP
As a 4th OF, Pierre actually in my opinion becomes useful; he can play all three OF positions, has the speed to be an effective pinch-runner, and is left-handed.

Who's going to put him in right field?
Sure, he can be a pinch runner. So can a ton of other players.
What does being left handed have to do with anything, if he cant get on base or hit for power?

Pierre acquiring any amount of playing time is bad. There's no redeeming value in Juan Pierre.

2007-12-15 17:50:34
80.   Vishal
68 he can play all three OF positions

would you seriously want to see him in right field, ever?

if pierre was the mets' right fielder in that infamous playoff 2006 playoff game against us, both kent and drew would have scored standing up.

2007-12-15 17:50:45
81.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 70

? D4P and JoeyP have been very pessimistic about the signing from the get-go. And Jon's been hardly optimistic. I think Nate's been the only really aggressively optimistic regular poster.

WWSH

2007-12-15 17:50:51
82.   Bob Timmermann
So do GoBears or MJW101 want to take a stab at Fukudome? I think "fuku" means "luck."
2007-12-15 17:51:27
83.   D4P
74
I understand the need for controlling for the year. No one (not even Ned) thinks Kuroda will outpitch Penny.
2007-12-15 17:52:39
84.   JoeyP
Obviously the control was horrible, but if Kuroda can be just a bit better than Ishii (which he was in 2007), I'd be fine with that.

You're fine with a guy making 12+ mils performing a little better than Kaz Ishii?

3 starters (Lowe, Schmidt, Kuroda) now make more than Brad Penny does. Thats just not right.

2007-12-15 17:53:23
85.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 80

A lot of 4th OFs have poor defense; Pierre would actually have decent rage in RF--probably better than many regular LFs who are stashed there for a reason. His arm stinks, but if he isn't playing everyday, it's not as much of an issue.

WWSH

2007-12-15 17:54:24
86.   LA Native
64 Agreed as well.

However, I tend to start worrying about the money we are wasting given Colletti's history. It would be nice to save some for next year and a big pitcher. This Kuroda signing may be two years too many as it is. I don't want that 4 year albatross of Pierre on us for much longer.

2007-12-15 17:55:12
87.   preacherroe
#7- We have had a couple of "dope" righthanders recently, Kevin Brown and Gagne.
At the risk of not being hip; a better choice of adjectives may be in order.
2007-12-15 17:55:14
88.   D4P
I'm guessing Ned and Frank think they're keeping up the Red Sox in the signing Japanese starters department.
2007-12-15 17:56:28
89.   Eric Stephen
84
If the Dodgers signed Brad Penny as a free agent this year, he'd make the most on the team. It happens. It's just an issue of timing.
2007-12-15 17:57:37
90.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
RE: 84

The baseball free agent market establishes how much a pitcher costs; if Kuroda is better than the likes of Silva, Lohse, or in-house options, then yes, he's worth 12 mil. The comparison isn't Kuroda vs. Ishii, it's Kuroda vs. Loaiza/Schmidt/McDonald/Kershaw/other free agents.

WWSH

2007-12-15 17:57:51
91.   Vishal
85 his arm is only an issue when he's playing. just as his range is only an asset when he's playing.
2007-12-15 17:58:04
92.   Duranimal
What's odd to me is that if a free agent doesn't pan out, most blame the free agent. However, if a trade doesn't work out, most blame the GM. People forget about poor free agent signings pretty quickly - but bad trades are remembered forever. A GM should get dinged for both.
2007-12-15 17:58:12
93.   immouch
85
i think i see your point - pierre isn't horrific for a 4th outfielder. if i squint, i guess, i can see some value if he's in LF only, and only as a late inning BR replacement. that said, if he's taking ABs from delwyn young... well, that's not a good swap. i'm actually optimistic that young might hit his way into some regular playing time. i'm less upbeat if juan pierre is getting regular ABs after mid-May... unless those ABs are for the white sox.
2007-12-15 17:58:56
94.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I remember Ishii being described as the Japanese Greg Maddux.

I believed.

2007-12-15 17:59:25
95.   Bob Timmermann
89
Several players on the Dodgers make more money than Martin and Loney combined too.

Baseball salaries aren't supposed to be an example of a meritocracy.

2007-12-15 18:00:35
96.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Juan Pierre (greater than, less than, equal to) Endy Chavez?
2007-12-15 18:00:40
97.   LA Native
85

Having a RF'er with no arm is a huge issue. You are giving up an extra base on every hit to RF with a runner on first or fly ball to right with a runner on second not to mention the runners scoring from second on a single (which is an issue wherever he plays in the OF).

No way will we ever see Pierre in right. I still have my doubts whether we will ever see him there (I certainly hope not).

2007-12-15 18:01:12
98.   immouch
89
at some point, penny will be making more than a lot of people on his team when he won't be worth it. a calcified, if weird element of modern pro sports is paying for the echo...
2007-12-15 18:01:52
99.   Vishal
84 yeah, but you can't look at each player's deal individually. free agents are typically overpaid. i mean, compare hanley ramirez' salary to say, david eckstein's. totally out of proportion. that's just how baseball's system is structured.

you just have to look at the team as a whole, and put it all in context. do we have a good team? yes. sure, $110 million or whatever is a bit on the high side to field a team, and you'd like a team like the dodgers to make the most of their financial advantages, but considering what was available this offseason, we didn't do too badly.

2007-12-15 18:02:15
100.   immouch
98
whoops: i meant that as response to 84. i'll retire to my kids' cookie party now.
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2007-12-15 18:03:26
101.   Bob Timmermann
Jim Colborn compared Ishii to Randy Johnson.

LA Times, 1/10/2002.

" In introducing Japanese pitcher Kazuhisa Ishii to fans Wednesday, Dodger pitching Coach Jim Colborn offered an encouraging comparison.

"He's a scaled-down version of Randy Johnson," Colborn said.

Ishii stands 6 feet 2, not 6-10. His fastball tops 90 mph but never hits 100 mph. He does not come equipped with scraggly hair or a Cy Young Award. But he is a left-handed pitcher who does not hide behind breaking balls.

"He's not a touchy-feely pitcher like Tom Glavine," said Colborn, who became familiar with Ishii when he worked in Japan. "He goes after the hitters."

2007-12-15 18:03:34
102.   FirstMohican
94 I remember someone on ESPN saying that he might have the best curveball in the game during his first season.

Looking up Ishii's stats, he was worse than I thought.

2007-12-15 18:03:57
103.   MC Safety
What is with the all the wronghanded comparisons today? I've never heard a lefty and righty compared before today.