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'Bad Blood'
2008-07-02 08:31
by Jon Weisman

Manager Mike Brumley of the Dodgers' affiliate in Ogden, which got in a bench-clearing brawl with Idaho Falls on Monday, said animosity between the two teams had been building for days and has yet to dissipate, according to Trent Toone of the Ogden Standard-Examiner.

Brumley anticipates that those cited in Monday's fight will probably receive Pioneer League suspensions of at least three games.

According to Brumley, the bad blood between the teams had been building since Idaho Falls played in Ogden last week. It boiled over (Monday) when Idaho Falls starting pitcher Paul Raglione nailed Ogden leadoff hitter Devaris Gordon in the back with a pitch.

As Gordon started to first, Brumley said he was attacked by the first baseman and catcher from Idaho Falls. Then the benches cleared. ...

"What would have happened if me and Gordon had been the only ones on the field - what if we get jumped by their whole team and our guys stay on the bench? THey started the fisticuffs, we had no choice but to come protect. Our guys did a nice job of it. Had they not attacked, our guys don't leave the bench, and we play the game. So we're in a bad spot." ...

The Raptors and the Chukars play again on Pioneer Day (July 24) at Lindquist Field.

Ogden is already looking forward to it, Brumley said.

"They don't like us and we don't like them," he said. There will probably be bad blood all summer."

Time for some peace talks.

* * *

I meant to post this a couple days ago, but there's a great story at Baseball Musings on how two fans of the book Dodger Dogs to Fenway Franks tracked down the seemingly reclusive author. I don't recall being as wild about this book as some people seem to be, but it's a great story, and maybe I should give the work another look.

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2008-07-02 08:50:01
1.   LogikReader
Must I be LAT'd for everything? :-)

I was referencing a callup of DeJesus in the last thread. Is it too early to bring up DeJesus who just entered AA? If Furcal is out the rest of the season, what are the Dodgers' other options?

The last thing I want is a PVL trade for ANOTHER short term SS...

2008-07-02 08:50:53
2.   underdog
From last thread as I was LAT'd:

529 While I wouldn't count on him {Furcal}, I wouldn't say that yet either. If he actually needs back surgery for his disc, then it would probably take 8-12 weeks to recovery from what I've been told about that kind of surgery so that would, yeah, knock him out for the year. Unless, perhaps he'd be back if the Dodgers make the playoffs! :-)

One step at a time, I guess.

Nice piece on Carlos Santana (the catcher) up on

2008-07-02 08:51:27
3.   underdog
And re: the bad blood story, hey, I wouldn't expect anything less from a group of raptors.
2008-07-02 08:52:20
4.   Doctor
I just have to wonder if the team handled this Furcal injury the wrong way again and if he should have had a surgery to fix the disk back in early May. This injury bug has to be the worst luck ive ever heard of a team having. Or is it really just bad luck?
2008-07-02 08:53:24
5.   underdog
1 Personally I think it is too early to call up DeJesus. Clearly Berroa is not the answer. Maza is adequate as a stop gap at this point, but if Furcal is going to be out for the year, I don't know, the Dodgers are in a hard place. It's unfortunate that LaRoche and DeWitt can't play SS. I don't want a trade either, but if Furcal is out for the rest of the year, which I hope he isn't, then it's tough. If only flippin' Abreu or Hu were healthy and ready. Sigh.
2008-07-02 08:53:53
6.   regfairfield
1 If we have a real shot, I'd call up DeJesus.
2008-07-02 08:54:36
7.   underdog
4 With backs surgery is always the last resort. You really don't want to go there. I wouldn't criticize them on that; it didn't look nearly as long term and serious back then and yeah you don't want back surgery unless all other options are exhausted. I have a friend who went through that same thing.

But... you're the doctor! ;-)

2008-07-02 08:56:45
8.   cargill06
so what would a likely path be for santana?
AA by the end of the year, all of '09 in AA some time in AAA in '10 than maybe a ML debut in late '10?

Will the debut be with the Dodgers?

2008-07-02 08:59:24
9.   Doctor

Yea, that's probably right- just seemed like since this happened at the end of last year and then again early this year that he was maybe already in "last resort" territory... Conditioning is probably always the best way, but Raffy doesn't seem like the type to be out of shape. He's looks like a ball of muscle. Of course this is hindsight, its just getting old watching the DL every year.

2008-07-02 09:02:49
10.   bhsportsguy
9 He played winter ball (well from December) and then Spring Training so he must have felt pretty good then.

Furcal had several reasons to want to avoid surgery, some money related since it is a contract year but also I just think he wants to play.

2008-07-02 09:03:19
11.   underdog
Too bad Matt Stairs can't play short! (Heh.)

Man, if they did want PVL SS, I'd love Jack Wilson, but don't think he's available.

9 I hear ya on that.

2008-07-02 09:08:15
12.   twerp
Almost got LATed with this last thread.

Underdog, thx for your responses. No, I have a PC (which at times should be abbreviation for "pretty crappy," but then that's probably due mostly to Microsoft).

For me no problems with audio. IF video will play, audio works. But best I usually can get is a message "your video will begin shortly." But then it rarely does.

Technology is great--when it works. I predict a bright future for programmers as long as new versions of things are put forward, since there most always are bugs-- fleas even--not to mention even newer and "improved" versions of things to program.

I tend to be of the "if it ain't broke" school, but then I'm probably a dinosaur who just doesn't get it. Specifically, I don't "get" video on the new site. Naturally video was just fine on the old one.

2008-07-02 09:11:11
13.   JoeyP
Count me on the DeJesus bandwagon as well, even if the Dodgers have no shot.

Letting him play everyday will be valuable experience for the next few years.

I dont think DeJesus can learn much more at the minor league level. His pitch recognition is fantastic as is. Its not like facing minor league pitching is going to help him develop more power.

DFA Berroa (Should have never been here in the 1st place).

Call up DeJesus. At the very least, the Dodgers can bat him 8th and its likely he'll draw a ton of cheap walks given that spot and his patience.

Torre's lineup was the best in a while last night. Like bunching the best hitters at the top, and the worst at the bottom. Hopefully he plays that lineup the rest of the way till the All-Star Break.

There's no need to play DeWitt, Repko, Berroa anymore. Keep them on the bench.

LaRoche has to be given at least 100 straight ABs to get in a groove.

2008-07-02 09:13:31
14.   regfairfield
11 The Pirates should be willing to trade everyone on their team.
2008-07-02 09:15:00
15.   kngoworld
I have read that Furcal has had a setback of feeling discomfort. Has any more been reported on the subject? I'm not sure why people are assuming he is out for a long extended period or even the year.
2008-07-02 09:17:52
16.   twerp
13 At least DeJesus is not likely to do worse than what we've seen lately.

Management and everybody else was surprised at what DeWitt was able to do at first,and for a good while, tho pitchers apparently have caught onto him.

That might make mgt a little more likely to "take a chance" on DeJesus.

2008-07-02 09:18:18
17.   PHilldodger
13 I'm not sure LaRoche needs, nor deserves, 100 at-bats in a row to prove himself. At this point, I'd settle for Torre telling him "you're going to play eery day for the next two weeks. Prepare every day and don't worry about being in the lineup. We'll reevalutate at that time."
2008-07-02 09:18:52
18.   OhioBlues12
I think at this point we are counting on Nomar to give us some games at SS. With that being the case we are going to need a solid backup because he will require rest probably twice a week. Berroa is not the backup, he should be DFA'd. Maybe Maza who has looked good during the last couple of games. However, I wouldn't be opposed to kicking the tires on some outside help.
2008-07-02 09:19:51
19.   JoeyP
Worst injury of the season:

The Diamondbacks placed Snyder on the 15-day DL Tuesday with a left testicular fracture.

2008-07-02 09:22:17
20.   cargill06
18 when mr hamm is ready he will play 5 games a week at SS
2008-07-02 09:23:15
21.   cargill06
18 oops, stopped reading after the first sentence, my bad.
2008-07-02 09:23:17
22.   cargill06
18 oops, stopped reading after the first sentence, my bad.
2008-07-02 09:23:17
23.   regfairfield
17 Every real prospect deserves at least that much, and really, it's multiple seasons worth. Alex Gordon was really terrible last year, but he's gradually improving.
2008-07-02 09:23:19
24.   blue22
19 - Gonad Thoughts was last thread :)
2008-07-02 09:24:05
25.   old dodger fan
I can't find anything on any website (except here) that has Furcal having surgery. Waking up with discomfort (doctor speak for "pain") and being sent to LA for an exam may well mean surgery in the future but has anyone seen anything official about him having surgery?
2008-07-02 09:24:39
26.   bhsportsguy
Jay Bruce and Justin Upton are the two other players in MLB at the same age as Ivan De Jesus, Jr. 21 year olds don't play in the majors that often even those that are really talented still wait until they are a little older.

De Jesus has put up impressive plate discipline numbers but otherwise, he in no way compares to those two players. He has only played a little more than 3 years in the minors.

2008-07-02 09:26:26
27.   cargill06
26 there are not many situations where a play-off contending team is having the players that man that position OPS in the mid .300's however.
2008-07-02 09:28:07
28.   El Lay Dave
25 No, I don't think so. This is a speculative discussion. 2 , for example, "If he actually needs back surgery for his disc..."
2008-07-02 09:28:08
29.   madmac
19 Nuts!
2008-07-02 09:32:49
30.   Bob Timmermann
Is Randy Smith really this tanned or is it just the lighting?

2008-07-02 09:33:24
31.   El Lay Dave
11 14 Especially a guy they still owe about $8M. But wouldn't the Pirates need a SS in return? They don't have a SS-apparent ready to go over there, I don't think.
2008-07-02 09:35:37
32.   regfairfield
31 There's lots of things they still need. They'd take anything.
2008-07-02 09:38:02
33.   El Lay Dave
32 Well, we know that Ned isn't scared of an $8M flier....
2008-07-02 09:38:50
34.   Alex41592
19 - That's horrible. You can't exactly break anything down there, but you sure as heck can rip something out down there. Owwwwwwww.
2008-07-02 09:41:08
35.   Disabled List
19 Worst injury of the season is either that one, or this one:

Houston Astros second baseman Kazuo Matsui, will start the 2008 campaign on the disabled list after having surgery on Monday to repair an anal fissure.

2008-07-02 09:41:59
36.   twerp
Stats on some old friends show Cody Ross with 13 HR in 194 AB and Jason Werth with 11 in 179 AB. Not wishing to rehash their leaving or suggesting they could be '08 saviors or anything, but it's hard not to notice that kind of thing.

Of course they don't play much anymore in NL West parks or in DS at night.

Milton Bradley has 16 HR, which leads to a question about him which was difficult to answer from 2000 miles away at the time he exited the team--

Had he completely burned all bridges in LA, or was there some chance he could have been kept? IIRC, Ned said he understood there was no point in trying to convince Bradley to remain, so he didn't try to.

Not really intending to dis Ned, but shouldn't a good executive at least make a good faith effort to retain known talent? Bradley might have responsed favorably to a phone call offering a clean slate which said I'll just go on what I see, not what I've heard. But Bradley and the Dodgers may have been point of no return. I just never had a real good read on that.

Sure, Bradley's volatile and there proably would have been other incidents. But if he were still here, wonder how he'd respond to Torre and his reputation for handling players well?

2008-07-02 09:43:37
37.   El Lay Dave
Before he hit the DL, Rafael Furcal was likely headed to a very large FA payday, perhaps on the order of 4 years / $50M. The longer he is unable to return, the more apprehensive GMs might be about signing him to many years of guaranteed money. From a Dodger perspective, it may be becoming difficult to impossible for Furcal to be a Type-A FA, so those two draft picks might not be coming if he signs elsewhere. Suddenly, Furcal coming back on a one-year arbitrated contact doesn't seem overly farfetched, especially if can't return soon enough or healthy enough.
2008-07-02 09:45:07
38.   fanerman
35 Oy don't remind me.
2008-07-02 09:46:22
39.   bhsportsguy
Billy Beane and Kevin Towers must be bad judges of talent too, they let Bradley go for a lot less than what Ned got for him.
2008-07-02 09:46:38
40.   underdog
I agree the Pirates should be willing to trade anyone but had heard that with Wilson doing well and all and with them under the delusion they still have a shot (yeah right) he wasn't being shopped but I'm sure they'd listen, especially as trade deadline approaches. If they ate some of Wilson's contract (and again this is IF Furcal is out for the season) I would trade them a prospect (maybe not a top prospect). I also don't see Torre being tickled to have another first-time-in-the-bigs player starting for him. DeJesus is great but I still think he needs more time to develop, separate from what stiffs the Dodgers are throwing out there right now. And I just don't see it happening.
2008-07-02 09:47:43
41.   El Lay Dave
36 I was under the impression that Bradley and Jeff Kent had a Chukar/Raptor type relationship....
2008-07-02 09:48:00
42.   blue22
31 - Jack Wilson is pretty popular in Pittsburgh, is a great defensive player, and has actually hit the last two years. He might be tough to pry loose, especially since they don't have that heir apparent waiting. It'd be almost certain that LA would have to give up Hu or DeJesus to fill that need, right?
2008-07-02 09:48:30
43.   regfairfield
Chris Young's possibility of infected brain is up there too.

Wilson for a B- prospect is a reasonable deal for someone.

2008-07-02 09:51:13
44.   El Lay Dave
42 What? Angel Berroa wouldn't be enough?
2008-07-02 09:53:57
45.   blue22
44 - Sorry, Littlefield don't work there no more.
2008-07-02 09:54:00
46.   underdog
42 Since we have DeJesus, I'd be willing to give up Hu. But the latter has his eye issues and didn't hit a lick earlier this year so his value is lower than he deserves right now. And it's true Wilson is popular in Pitt so he may cost more than he deserves.

Still, I'd love to add him if Furcal is out for year and the Dodgers are still in the race, which it appears they will be.

2008-07-02 09:54:34
47.   D4P
Littlefield don't work there no more

Did he ever...?

2008-07-02 09:55:32
48.   Bob Timmermann
Professional baseball catchers get a fair number of gross injuries to parts of the body for which I have run out of euphemisms.

A couple years ago, Michael Barrett had a problem after trying to catch a foul ball with his groin.

That got a lot of hits for the Griddle when I posted it.

2008-07-02 09:55:55
49.   Gen3Blue
37 A most interesting thought, and more likely the longer it takes him to come back.
2008-07-02 09:56:46
50.   old dodger fan
By next week:
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2008-07-02 09:57:13
51.   underdog
Maybe catchers shouldn't just wear a regular cup but metal underwear, or armor like a knight.

(They're knights of the round table, they catch when'er able, etc.)

2008-07-02 09:57:31
52.   OhioBlues12
31, 32 - I think I would rather use Nomar to whatever extent possible at SS rather than acquire Wilson. At this point there is really no reason to hold back with Nomar, put him out there and have him give us what he can give us because he certainly hasn't given us much. His offense, by comparison, would be welcome and if we could sub him out in the late innings, maybe we can minimize his defensive shortcomings.
2008-07-02 09:57:41
53.   underdog
50 - Works for me!
2008-07-02 09:59:50
54.   Jon Weisman

Today is July 2nd, so the International Signing Period opens. I have a feeling it's going to be an unusually big day for the Padres.

I'll post again when we have official news.

Posted by Paul DePodesta at 8:29 AM

2008-07-02 10:00:28
55.   blue22
37 - ESPN has Furcal making $15.7M this year (was his contract back-loaded?). Arbitration would guarantee him at least $12.5M if that's true. If he's out for the year with back issues, do you want him back at that price, especially without the draft picks should he refuse and sign somewhere else? Could be a very interesting decision.
2008-07-02 10:01:30
56.   okdodge
50 That works for me too. Its weird that as bad as Jones was, I'm still really optimistic about his return.

52 I agree with this also, throw him out there, see what he's got, and start the pool for his next injury date.

2008-07-02 10:02:09
57.   underdog
52 - I agree. It's just that I don't expect Nomar to last long in the health dept if he's our everyday short stop. He should really be a part time player. I'm happy to have him back, he'll be better with the bat than the other guys we've had since Furcal but I don't expect much. Maybe he'll surprise us.
2008-07-02 10:04:37
58.   JoeyP
Billy Beane and Kevin Towers must be bad judges of talent too, they let Bradley go for a lot less than what Ned got for him

Bad at judging Milton Bradley's talent that is.

2008-07-02 10:05:10
59.   Jon Weisman
54 - Whoops - here's the official news.

2008-07-02 10:05:55
60.   Doctor
Nomar should have at least 1 RBI in his first 17 games (if he stays healthy).
2008-07-02 10:07:15
61.   D4P
Also from Depo:

Somewhat under the radar, the Padres have ramped up their efforts (and their budget) internationally over the past couple of years under the guidance of Randy Smith

No word on Randy's tan.

2008-07-02 10:07:38
62.   OhioBlues12
57 - I don't expect him to last all season either at SS, but if given proper rest (twice a week) we may be surprised. I guess what are we really risking at this point with Nomar, it is not like he has been such a valuable piece that our season will be torpedoed if he gets injured again. The key is to have a decent backup. Maza? Martinez? Uribe? I don't know who that might be.
2008-07-02 10:08:11
63.   underdog
The Padres better have good news from the international front. They've got nothing else cooking otherwise. And not a lot in the minor league cupboard, either.
2008-07-02 10:08:26
64.   Disabled List
How far have we sunk that Jones and Nomar are being regarded as the saviors of the season? Everyone remember that they both stunk before they got hurt, right?
2008-07-02 10:09:07
65.   underdog
Uribe won't be acquired to be a backup. He's too expensive and mediocre. Better off keeping Maza or using Martinez as backups, yeah.
2008-07-02 10:10:27
66.   Bob Timmermann
He looks like George Hamilton!
2008-07-02 10:11:15
67.   underdog
64 Why no, whatever do you mean? ;-)

Nomar just looks good compared to the other SS's, and Mark Sweeney. Jones we know what his potential is. We know the team needs more power. I don't think anyone's forgotten how atrocious he was. But hope springs eternal! Furcal to me was the main savior of the season so it's sad if he's going to be out a lot longer.

2008-07-02 10:11:51
68.   JoeyP
Jack Wilson is due $7.25 mils for 2009, and $8.4 mils club option in 2010.

Even though I want the SS job to go to DeJesus for 2009, having Jack Wilson around for 2009 might not be too bad. And I'm sure his club option would not be exercised in 2010.

Hu for Wilson isnt bad. Its too bad Hu didnt hit any, or else he could have been packaged with another player for something better. But right now, Hu for Wilson may be the best the Dodgers can do right now.

If the Dodgers do that trade, then it basically tells Furcal they have no interest in resigning him. It'd be a gross misuse of funds to have a 7mil dollar backup SS on the roster for 2009.

2008-07-02 10:12:20
69.   Doctor

Addition by subtraction (of Pierre and Beraza).

2008-07-02 10:15:56
70.   underdog
Is it Beraza or Mazazoa? The latter sounds like a geologic period where dinosaurs roamed. In other words, when Berroa was born.


68 - Obviously, I agree. But I don't think Hu would be enough at this point. I'd be scared at who else the Dodgers would have to throw in.

2008-07-02 10:18:14
71.   regfairfield
70 Hu is a top 100 prospect. Turning that down to keep Jack Wilson would be insane. A healthy Hu is probably better than Wilson right now.
2008-07-02 10:20:02
72.   Jon Weisman
So that's it for Hu? Great defense, 150 lousy at-bats, and he's done?

I guess his development at the plate trails that of Cesar Izturis at the same age - Izturis peaked at ages 24-25 - but it's still hard for me to believe.

2008-07-02 10:24:59
73.   JoeyP
Well, for what its worth---I never liked Izturis at all. Even in his "peak" years.

If that is Hu's upside, I'd deal him now.

Plus, it makes it much easier with DeJesus in the fold.

Hu's never really had much plate discipline in the minor leagues, and its doubtful he'll hit for much power. Great glove, cant hit a lick SS's are a dime a dozen.

2008-07-02 10:25:16
74.   underdog
I don't think Hu is done. I like the guy and still think he's going to be great. But we have both Hu and DeJesus, and possibly a crying need for a new SS who is ready now. I'm not in a hurry to get rid of him, either, don't misunderstand. I think he's going to be a good one. But I think DeJesus is the better long term prospect and we might need to use him as a trading chip.

I agree with you Reg except this is the Pirates we're talking about, and they love Wilson, and Hu's value is as I said lower than it should be right now. But we'll see.

2008-07-02 10:25:47
75.   cargill06
73 how is dejesus' glove compared to hu?
2008-07-02 10:25:47
76.   silverwidow
I'm not sure what roster moves are going to happen now. Yesterday, it looked pretty clear that Troncoso was going down, but after the pen was used up, now what?
2008-07-02 10:26:00
77.   underdog
might need to use Hu, that is.

Okay, it's fun playing amateur GM but I should do some work.

2008-07-02 10:28:56
78.   OhioBlues12
If we are going to look outside the organization for a SS to help right now, then I would talk to the Cubs about Cedeno. He is young still (25) and doesn't seem like he is going to be given a chance in Chicago.
2008-07-02 10:30:18
79.   natepurcell
I can't believe the Padres have spent over 5 million internationally while the Dodgers toil with "bargains".
2008-07-02 10:31:18
80.   El Lay Dave
64 Jones was supposed to be a difference maker at the start of the season so, outside of his atrocious performance, the expectation w.r.t. Andruw really hasn't changed, at least in some minds.

65 I'd buy that argument except for the Julio Lugo precendent.

2008-07-02 10:32:00
81.   El Lay Dave
79 The Padres don't have $80M on the DL.
2008-07-02 10:33:21
82.   JoeyP
I never understood why the overall MLB budget, and the draft budget for the Dodgers are two entirely different albums.

Its like you said---> How can you be willing to pay a Loaiza, but not pay a draftee?

The money is still coming from the McCourts.

2008-07-02 10:35:56
83.   natepurcell

Well then they need to re-examine how they allocate their funds because by spending more initially and getting the premium talent into your system, you won't have to overspend for over the hill veterans and wind up with 80 million on the disabled list.

2008-07-02 10:36:55
84.   natepurcell
Sorry, I have this rant every year (or two times a year, second time when we fail to sign our David Price type picks).

Its a good outlet for me to complain about it.

2008-07-02 10:37:45
85.   silverwidow
Writing off Hu is less idiotic than writing off LaRoche because at least one of them got a chance to play.
2008-07-02 10:38:33
86.   regfairfield
85 They're equally as bad.
2008-07-02 10:39:15
87.   Jon Weisman
82 - At my job, the budgets for paying staff writers and freelance writers are entirely separate, and it's very problematic. And I've encountered other businesses that have similar dividing lines: The money comes from one place, but they don't let one department borrow from another. It's nonsensical, and it's pervasive.
2008-07-02 10:40:22
88.   still bevens
Maybe McCourt is gun shy about giving out huge bonuses due to the Joel Guzman Experience.
2008-07-02 10:43:30
89.   regfairfield
88 That's a really, really bad reason. Even if we hadn't gotten the draft picks for Guzman, all it cost us was a Beimel sized salary for a guy that could have been great.
2008-07-02 10:43:45
90.   Sam PHL
62. He's too expensive and mediocre.

We are talking about the Dodgers, right? We will spare no expense for mediocrity.

2008-07-02 10:44:21
91.   Sam PHL
Sorry, that was for 65.
2008-07-02 10:45:10
92.   regfairfield
Nothing wrong with paying for mediocrity if it's better than what you have and you're trying to make the playoffs.
2008-07-02 10:45:16
93.   El Lay Dave
83 Yes. Although reading between Logan White's lines, I'd hazard a guess that the Dodger philosophy is that the international signings are even more of a crap shoot than the amateur draft, so they have a different premise going into a risk/reward assessment on international signings and they'd rather spread the money across more prospects. Anyone see a stated budget for the Dodgers to compare to the Padres' purported $5M?
2008-07-02 10:47:07
94.   Sam PHL
There is something wrong with paying only for mediocrity or worse.
2008-07-02 10:47:50
95.   Bob Timmermann
I work for the government. I could tell you a lot about different accounts and how people get paid.

And then you would start weeping.

2008-07-02 10:48:41
96.   silverwidow
I'm all for International signings, but what about our FIRST ROUND PICK? It better not go all the way to August 15.
2008-07-02 10:49:25
97.   Louis in SF
Any thoughts on Marco Scuttoro from Toronto. He was a great utility player from Oakland. He is 33 and finally getting a full time shot with Toronto. However, I think he is only signed through next year with an option for 2010. I would think Hu and a prospect pitcher could get him.
2008-07-02 10:52:20
98.   natepurcell
I am not advocating the Dodgers go out and spend 4+ mil on one 16 year old (that is absurd in my mind), but at least show you are a player out there. I like the Padres philosophy this year of spreading out 5 mil to 5 or so different players. Its still premium talent, but there is enough variety there to act as a hedge if some of the players don't develop accordingly.
2008-07-02 10:52:43
99.   blue22
97 - No offense, but Scutaro stinks. He can't play short and he can't hit. And he's old.
2008-07-02 10:52:57
100.   Doctor
Enter the Ned panic trade/pick up. It's time for this years Loiza, Pierre, Lugo, etc... type move.
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2008-07-02 10:53:17
101.   El Lay Dave
97 That price is too high. He's a mid-80s OPS+ guy and isn't he considered to have less than average SS range?
2008-07-02 10:53:18
102.   regfairfield
97 Can't hit, possibly worse defense at short than Berroa. He's decent at on base for a middle infielder, but that's about it. He's not an option as a starter.

94 Agreed, but mediocrity isn't bad compared to Angel Berroa.

2008-07-02 10:54:15
103.   natepurcell
Yes, Joel Guzman turned out to be a bust, but that was not because he didn't have the tools. He was on his way to stardom then suddenly regressed. I bet there is an alternate universe out there where Joel Guzman is the new Miguel Cabrera of the MLB.
2008-07-02 10:54:45
104.   LogikReader

Last year we wound up with Proctor. That didn't turn out so badly, because I think Betemit is overrated.

2008-07-02 10:56:56
105.   cargill06
104 i'd like a mulligan on that one, wilson at SS the last 6 weeks would've probably won us a couple more games than lugel berraza
2008-07-02 10:57:28
106.   El Lay Dave
98 The Padre philosophy you mention is exactly what Logan White was quoted as saying last July.

"If you spend $5 million on one [international] player, you're crazy," White said. "Take the $5 million, give it to five players and you might end up with more major league players.

"I'm not going to go and spend money and give someone $500,000 if we don't think the talent is there. I don't believe in throwing around money trying to beat competition. That's not scouting."

2008-07-02 10:59:05
107.   regfairfield
106 The question is if you'd rather have five decent players, or one really good one. This also assumes that you're able to negotiate with five people actually worth one million, which seems hard.
2008-07-02 11:01:57
108.   natepurcell

Then where are the results!??!

The times said we signed one player already...

Today is the first day clubs can sign international free agents who will turn 16 after Aug. 1, and the Dodgers are hopeful of reaching terms with at least a half-dozen prospects in the Dominican Republic, said Ralph Avila, the team's advisor of Latin American scouting and player development.

"We've got seven kids we really like," Avila said.

The Dodgers have already signed one Dominican teenager, landing 16-year-old pitcher Jose Morillo, whose fastball currently is about 90 mph. Avila projects him to throw harder as he grows.

I can't find Jose Morillo on any lists.

2008-07-02 11:06:07
109.   twerp
39 "Billy Beane and Kevin Towers must be bad judges of talent too, they let Bradley go for a lot less than what Ned got for him."

Sorry to have to back a ways. Had to attend to some other stuff--sacrilege, I know. DT is far more important. :)

I thought my question in 36 might be misinterpreted. Everyone recognizes Bradley's talent, and has for a long time. The obvious question is if you can live with/control his antics.

I wasn't criticizing Ned, unless as reported at the time he didn't even talk to Bradley except to tell him he'd been traded. It might have been unworkable anyhow--too much water under the bridge, etc. I wanted to know if Bradley staying really had no chance of working.

It's Dodger history now anyhow.

2008-07-02 11:17:16
110.   LoneStar7
How long until Jones is expected to be back with the big club? a week or so?
2008-07-02 11:19:42
111.   Jon Weisman
I'm sure Colletti was under orders to trade Bradley, sure that Colletti was happy to follow those orders, and sure that he did well to get Ethier in exchange. Whatever your view on Bradley's merits, for better or for worse, when McCourt fired DePo, that ended any chance of Bradley remaining a Dodger.
2008-07-02 11:20:07
112.   underdog
110 That's the estimation, about a week. Hoped before the All-Star break.
2008-07-02 11:23:05
113.   D4P
I'm still trying to figure out how Billy Beane could trade Ethier when that 100-year old Dodger scout was the only person in the world who knew that Andre even existed.
2008-07-02 11:23:29
114.   cargill06
wilson betemit is listed as 6'2'' 155 lbs on baseball-reference
2008-07-02 11:28:27
115.   old dodger fan

Full Name: Wilson Betemit
Born: 11/02/1981
Birthplace: Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
Height: 6'3" Weight: 230
Bats: Switch
Throws: Right
College: N/A
MLB Debut: 09/18/2001

2008-07-02 11:28:50
116.   Doctor
Ethier has been my biggest disappointment this year.... I really though he was going to be a .300, 20HR, 90 RBI guy. He may well have that ability, but he really needs to get hot or hes not going to get the PT to get there.
2008-07-02 11:31:10
117.   blue22
113 - Maybe Beane had some cutesy mythical nickname for him. Ethier looks kinda like a Hippogriff.
2008-07-02 11:32:31
118.   Jon Weisman
112 - I had heard after the ASB for Jones. He was supposed to take some days off after his initial Las Vegas foray. But who knows?
2008-07-02 11:45:17
119.   D4P
I had heard after the ASB for Jones

Allyoucaneat Smorgas Board...?

2008-07-02 11:45:51
120.   twerp
111 Thanks, Jon, for the clarity. And yes, Ethier was a very good return, particularly for a trade that had to be made.
2008-07-02 11:46:50
121.   Bluebleeder87
114 115 I was gonna say...
2008-07-02 11:48:03
122.   old dodger fan
From PE Dodger Blog:

Yhency Brazoban, who has been on the DL for nearly a month now with shoulder inflammation, is starting a rehab assignment in the Gulf Coast League.

2008-07-02 11:48:04
123.   dsfan
So often with Dodgers players the medical situation is murky. Would like to know a lot more about Hu's eye issues. As for DeJesus, am far from sold on his ability to stick at shortstop in the majors.
2008-07-02 11:49:22
124.   Dane Bramage
Wow, I'm floored about the bad news for Furcal. There's been talk about surgery? Who's heard anything and from where about that?

Purely by coincidence, someone pointed me to an article in the New Yorker magazine about the brain's role in perception and sensation that is at turns fascinating, disgusting, and revelatory. It is a bit lengthy, but I recommend you read it if you have the time.

One snippet from the article had me thinking that Furcal should be re-evaluated before he undertakes any kind of surgery, as it could be his condition is brain-related:

"Such findings open up a fascinating prospect: perhaps many patients whom doctors treat as having a nerve injury or a disease have, instead, what might be called sensor syndromes. When your car's dashboard warning light keeps telling you that there is an engine failure, but the mechanics can't find anything wrong, the sensor itself may be the problem. This is no less true for human beings. Our sensations of pain, itch, nausea, and fatigue are normally protective. Unmoored from physical reality, however, they can become a nightmare: M., with her intractable itching, and H., with his constellation of strange symptoms—but perhaps also the hundreds of thousands of people in the United States alone who suffer from conditions like chronic back pain, fibromyalgia, chronic pelvic pain, tinnitus, temporomandibular joint disorder, or repetitive strain injury, where, typically, no amount of imaging, nerve testing, or surgery manages to uncover an anatomical explanation. Doctors have persisted in treating these conditions as nerve or tissue problems—engine failures, as it were. We get under the hood and remove this, replace that, snip some wires. Yet still the sensor keeps going off.

So we get frustrated. "There's nothing wrong," we'll insist. And, the next thing you know, we're treating the driver instead of the problem. We prescribe tranquillizers, antidepressants, escalating doses of narcotics. And the drugs often do make it easier for people to ignore the sensors, even if they are wired right into the brain. The mirror treatment, by contrast, targets the deranged sensor system itself. It essentially takes a misfiring sensor—a warning system functioning under an illusion that something is terribly wrong out in the world it monitors—and feeds it an alternate set of signals that calm it down. The new signals may even reset the sensor.

This may help explain, for example, the success of the advice that back specialists now commonly give. Work through the pain, they tell many of their patients, and, surprisingly often, the pain goes away. It had been a mystifying phenomenon. But the picture now seems clearer. Most chronic back pain starts as an acute back pain—say, after a fall. Usually, the pain subsides as the injury heals. But in some cases the pain sensors continue to light up long after the tissue damage is gone. In such instances, working through the pain may offer the brain contradictory feedback—a signal that ordinary activity does not, in fact, cause physical harm. And so the sensor resets.

This understanding of sensation points to an entire new array of potential treatments—based not on drugs or surgery but, instead, on the careful manipulation of our perceptions."

2008-07-02 11:50:30
125.   Jon Weisman
A good Dodger blog would do an analytical post on the shortstop situation.
2008-07-02 11:50:50
126.   Bob Timmermann
If the DBacks lose tonight and the Mets, we will all hear a lot of complaining from the folks in Gotham about the NL West.

Whenever a team in a playoff spot has a worse record than the Mets, it's apparently a crime against humanity.

2008-07-02 11:51:19
127.   natepurcell

why? All scouting reports say he is plus defensively.

2008-07-02 11:52:30
128.   Jon Weisman
124 - I read that story last week - very interesting.


To repeat: No one has said anything official about Furcal having surgery. People are just speculating.

2008-07-02 11:53:00
129.   Doctor
124 "Furcal has a bulging disk in his lower back. Although he has been reluctant to discuss the possibility of surgery, that often is the course of action when conservative measures such as core strengthening do not resolve nerve pain...."

2008-07-02 11:53:29
130.   dsfan
Still say the Ethier-Bradley trade was a good one by Ned. He probably had a gun to his head and, face it, not many teams were willing to take Bradley off his hands. Bradley had very little desire to return to the Dodgers. Doubt the Kent feud would have gone away.

Bradley is a few years older now, perhaps a bit more mature, but let's not forget, he's also missed a lot of time because of injuries since the Dodgers traded him.

This is a good situation for him. He likes the Texas manager. He gets to DH and play in a very good hitter's park alongside some good hitters.

I'd give Ned a B, maybe a B-plus for that trade. And I think that deal also may have brought some financial savings.

2008-07-02 11:54:09
131.   LoneStar7
have the dodgers expressed in interest in bay or nady, they're going to be on the market right?
2008-07-02 11:57:34
132.   Dane Bramage
128 Whew! (for now)
2008-07-02 11:57:43
133.   D4P
Don't forget that Ned threw in Antonio Perez, presumably as a way of getting rid of him.
2008-07-02 12:02:53
134.   rockmrete
What has become of Areu? I know it seems the team is down on him, but is he out for the year? And if so, with what?
2008-07-02 12:03:53
135.   Jon Weisman
2008-07-02 12:05:19
136.   Andrew Shimmin
The best thing about Antonio Perez is that his name is at the top of the list when you search bb-ref for "Perez." Is he retired or hurt? Doesn't look like he's played at all, this year.

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