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Traffic on the Eights
2008-07-25 17:32
by Jon Weisman

In defense of my prediction that Andruw Jones would be benched when Juan Pierre returned, I didn't know that Pierre would be back a week before the end of July. So the trial period for Jones that I described isn't over yet. The benching of Jones could still happen by the time I suggested it would.

In the meantime, I'll say this. Yes, Jones could still improve this season. But what are the chances that he'll improve to the level that already being offered by Andre Ethier, who is benched for tonight (against a left-hander, for what it's worth)?

Tonight is one game, and we'll see what happens after that. But what Dodger manager Joe Torre is doing isn't right, for team performance or for fairness. Ethier has worked too hard (that's what they want, right?) and been too effective to be cast aside. Jones isn't going to hit a homer every three games this year. He is not the player they thought they were getting. He has a long way to go just to match Ethier's performance when other people said Ethier was slumping. Let Jones work his way off the bench like the other Dodger outfielders did.

It's one thing not to make lane changes willy-nilly, but Jones is a SigAlert in the fast lane, an overturned big rig in rush hour. It's time to go around him until AAA doesn't need to tow him.

* * *

Nationals at Dodgers, 7:40 p.m.

* * *

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Update: Testy Torre (via Ken Gurnick at

Juan Pierre was back in the Dodgers' lineup Friday night, but so was Andruw Jones, which got the media asking pointed questions about Andre Ethier being the odd man out, which got manager Joe Torre a little testy.

"Because that's the way I wrote it down," Torre said, when questioned why Jones and his .166 batting average were in the lineup for the opener of a 10-game homestand and Ethier, batting .277, was not.

When it was suggested that Jones, who volunteered to return early from knee surgery, could return to a Minor League rehab assignment, Torre said: "When you get your team you can run it your way. For now, we'll do it our way."

Torre's brief annoyance with the line of questioning quickly shifted to a reasoned explanation focusing on the fact that Washington was pitching left-handers John Lannan on Friday night and former Dodger Odalis Perez Saturday night. Jones is batting .186 against lefties, Ethier .205. ...

Torre said he met with Ethier and asked for patience. At least for the first two games of this series, Ethier lost his job to a player (Pierre) returning from injury that he originally beat out in spring competition for the Opening Day job, while Jones remains in the lineup despite being a season-long disappointment. Matt Kemp, hitting .290, has pretty much been a starter since Spring Training.

"I told [Ethier] to just bear with me," Torre said. "I also told him how proud I am for how far he's come and just bear with me while I get a feel for how long it's going to take. It can't take a month. We have to make up our minds in smaller increments.

Comments (574)
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2008-07-25 17:43:56
1.   MonkeyBlue
I'm going to cry now.
2008-07-25 17:45:49
2.   Neal Pollack
We all knew it was coming. Now it's here. And it feels terrible.
2008-07-25 17:47:02
3.   Jon Weisman
D4P: "Tell Me You Love Me" has been canceled.

2008-07-25 17:48:04
4.   Bob Timmermann
So you decided to tell the one other viewer of that show?
2008-07-25 17:48:46
5.   MollyKnight
3-NO! No!!!! Worse news than Ethier on the bench!
2008-07-25 17:49:36
6.   GMac In The 909
3 I'm going to miss seeing Penny in her knickers.
2008-07-25 17:51:07
7.   Icaros
I wish Deadwood would come back from the dead.
2008-07-25 17:52:16
8.   Bob Timmermann
Wishing for Deadwood to come back is like hoping that Jayson Werth will be in left field tonight instead of Juan Pierre.
2008-07-25 17:53:55
9.   Icaros
I want Werth in left and Cody Ross in center.
2008-07-25 17:54:59
10.   Bob Timmermann
Wanting Cody Ross in center is like hoping that "Hennessey" will come back on the air.
2008-07-25 17:57:10
11.   Icaros
I'd also like to introduce my catcher, Dioner Navarro. He makes good throws to my second baseman, Russell Martin.
2008-07-25 17:59:51
12.   Bob Timmermann
How about if I get you "Mr. Peepers" on DVD and we call it a day?
2008-07-25 18:01:30
13.   D4P
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That really sucks. My wife and I have been so looking forward to season two, and I've been looking for updates every few days or so (to no avail). That's a major bummer, though I must say, I always thought they might struggle to figure out where to go from where they left off, so I'm not surprised when I hear

Series creator/exec producer Cynthia Mort said in statement issued Friday afternoon that she and others were "unable to find the direction of the show for the second season,".

When it comes to TV shows, only the good die young.

2008-07-25 18:05:27
14.   Icaros
I watched that show one time and I'm still depressed.
2008-07-25 18:06:14
15.   Who Is Karim Garcia
They leave me feeling empty with The Wire, feeling lost with Deadwood and now this?

I've done something to anger HBO.

2008-07-25 18:09:08
16.   D4P
It was so real, man. So real...
2008-07-25 18:10:16
17.   GMac In The 909
15 Please don't do anything that will make them pull the plug on Flight of the Conchords, round two.
2008-07-25 18:10:26
18.   Marty
I'm still pining for John from Cincinnati.
2008-07-25 18:11:56
19.   D4P
I actually think the second season of TMYLM was destined to be worse than the first, so part of me is kinda happy. But the rest of me is pretty sad.
2008-07-25 18:14:24
20.   Icaros
Do you even like to watch the parts where the old people get it on?
2008-07-25 18:16:47
21.   D4P
I watch the show for the articles.
2008-07-25 18:16:58
22.   MollyKnight
4-For that, he'll need to text Andre Iguodala.
2008-07-25 18:23:19
23.   Icaros
USAToday confirms the return of Sasha Vujacic

Kwame Brown may be next.

2008-07-25 18:24:33
24.   JoeyP
Jon was channelling his inner Bhsportsguy searching for hopeless optimism.

Optimism is great.

Its just too bad there is none around the Dodgers currently.

2008-07-25 18:28:13
25.   JoeyP
23--Kwame doesnt deserve to be in the in the NBA even at the league minimum.

Not sure how I feel about the Sasha deal. Offer seems pretty high, and he didnt receive much interest around the league. But I'd rather have him than a Smush Parker type that could have been the replacement.

2008-07-25 18:28:23
26.   Andrew Shimmin
21- It's a little curious that TMYLM was exempt from your house rules on that matter.
2008-07-25 18:30:58
27.   Andrew Shimmin
There's plenty to be optimistic about. Just like there was in April. It's bad news, but not all bad ideas fail. Marlon Anderson went ballistic for no particular reason just two seasons ago. The chances that Jones will rebound have to be better than the chances of that happening. Kent too. Baseball is weird. It can be a stupid moron and it can be unicorn chops with raspberry gravy.
2008-07-25 18:36:17
28.   Icaros
Mmm...unicorn chops.
2008-07-25 18:36:24
29.   Jon Weisman
24 - I still believe Jones will be benched by early August if he doesn't improve. I stand by my prediction.
2008-07-25 18:39:21
30.   Gagne55
I've never even heard of Tell Me You Love Me before reading this thread.
2008-07-25 18:41:26
31.   Lexinthedena
only someone desperately clinging to their own foul existence would kill a unicorn.
2008-07-25 18:43:38
32.   Who Is Karim Garcia
What kind of wine do you have with unicorn?
2008-07-25 18:47:32
33.   JoeyP
TEAM USA looks awfully good and Lebron hasnt even played.


2008-07-25 18:47:47
34.   Tripon
Any way Andre's part of a trade? Out of all the young guys, he the most expendable in terms of talent/ability.
2008-07-25 18:48:34
35.   fanerman
31 And worse, drink its blood.
2008-07-25 18:51:58
36.   Im So Blue
From the previous thread:
138 The Czechs had a penchant for tossing people out windows that they didn't like.

What didn't they like about the windows? Was it the [lack of a] view? ;)

2008-07-25 18:52:16
37.   Icaros
I've seen Andrew eat an entire unicorn in one sitting, then use its horn for a toothpick.
2008-07-25 19:00:41
38.   Andrew Shimmin
I sees a unicorn, I eats the unicorn. Everybody's got to have a code.
2008-07-25 19:06:58
39.   MollyKnight
30-Naked women everywhere, and you missed it.
2008-07-25 19:08:19
40.   Bob Timmermann
And yet extraordinarily uninteresting and not salacious.
2008-07-25 19:08:48
41.   Andrew Shimmin
Larry Bowa's coming out against the brawl in Dayton. Disappointing. Somebody should support the brawlers, and Bowa would have been my pick.
2008-07-25 19:09:20
42.   regfairfield
34 He's got the lowest ceiling, but sadly he's our best outfielder right now. I can't see him going anywhere any time soon. Fortunately his defense is his best attribute, so he's not going to make jack in arbitration.
2008-07-25 19:11:55
43.   Bob Timmermann
I came out against the brawl on BTF and ticked off people because I violated Rules 2, 3, 6, and 7 in just two comments.
2008-07-25 19:16:22
44.   Andrew Shimmin
I would have been offended, but I really do enjoy bear baiting.
2008-07-25 19:16:32
45.   KG16
32 , 35 - i heard that unicorn blood is very similar to a solid Bordeaux.

42 - i maintain that the dodgers will rue the day they let Ethier go.

2008-07-25 19:17:23
46.   JoeyP
Things could be worse.

That Nationals are starting Paul Loduca, he of the .607 season OPS, at 1st base.

2008-07-25 19:17:29
47.   KG16
43 - it took you two comments?
2008-07-25 19:18:08
48.   Bob Timmermann
In his last start before the All-Star Break, Yu Darvish of the Nippon Ham Fighters gave up 5 runs on 11 hits and struck out 8 in 8 innings of work.

He threw 165 pitches.

2008-07-25 19:22:03
49.   Andrew Shimmin
Thanks to Google, I now know that unicorn blood is a Harry Potter thing. So, if anybody else is wondering whether KG is a little bet creepy, the answer is no: he just reads Harry Potter books.
2008-07-25 19:23:21
50.   be2ween
18 I'm still pining for WKRP in Cincinnati.
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2008-07-25 19:29:22
51.   KG16
49 - i was just making a joke, i did not know the Harry Potter thing. i've never read or watched anything harry potter related.
2008-07-25 19:29:23
52.   LoneStar7
well Andre it was fun while it lasted, I don't like Joe Torre
2008-07-25 19:30:27
53.   Andrew Shimmin
51- It's okay. Brock reads them, too. No judgment.
2008-07-25 19:31:35
54.   KG16
53 - i'm more of a paulo coelho fan, myself.
2008-07-25 19:34:38
55.   Dodgers49
0 For the first time since I've been on Dodger Thoughts (about two years) I get to see the whole sidebar (without scrolling to the right). So if that's part of the layout experiments I guess I can roll with it.
2008-07-25 19:35:47
56.   Sam DC
And MASN is advertising its Orioles coverage at Dodger Thoughts because . . .
2008-07-25 19:36:33
57.   68elcamino427
Three things that Torre does that I like:

Martin plays all the time

Loney plays all the time

Kemp plays all the time over the past month+

*Special added bonus - LaRoche is starting

This represents the majortiy of the Hot Stove League wish list.

2008-07-25 19:37:03
58.   Tripon

Grady Little and Jim Tracy would have done the same thing.

2008-07-25 19:37:11
59.   MollyKnight
Just nearly missed being decapitated by a JJ Hardy foul ball. (And then he whacked a double).
2008-07-25 19:37:34
60.   Sam DC
LAT been around lately? Wonder if he's catching a game with the Lerners this weekend as he has in the past.

I don't have any questions I could pass on without violating the rules of Dodger Thoughts, unfortunately.

2008-07-25 19:38:17
61.   CanuckDodger
So, nobody's talking about the Yankees getting Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte from the Pirates today, in exchange for a bit of belly button lint? And we were supposed to give the Pirates Matt Kemp for Jack Wilson?

There is one price for the Dodgers, and a much lower price for everybody else. Maybe other teams wouldn't find us "difficult" to deal with if they weren't always trying to screw us nine ways from Sunday.

2008-07-25 19:39:01
62.   Ken Arneson
55 Yes, in the process of changing the layouts today, I wrestled Microsoft to the ground, and got rid of the tables I used to have to use to get things to line up in stupid IE.
2008-07-25 19:39:27
63.   MollyKnight
Wesley Wright enters the game during crunch time for the Astros.


2008-07-25 19:40:32
64.   Andrew Shimmin
Is Jose Tabata really nothing? I know he's had a rough couple of years, but he's still kind of something, isn't he? What is he, 19 now? I would have traded Cody Ross and Jayson Werth for him.
2008-07-25 19:40:39
65.   Tripon

The trade was for Matt Kemp and Chad Billingsly for Jack Wilson, according to Jason Stark.

2008-07-25 19:42:08
66.   Andrew Shimmin
Tabata has had a wikipedia page for two years. He's notable!
2008-07-25 19:42:33
67.   MollyKnight
And, Wright makes one pitch to retire Prince Fielder and end the rally. Le sigh.
2008-07-25 19:44:36
68.   KG16
moment of truth.
2008-07-25 19:44:51
69.   RELX
Since July 24, 2007, one year's time, the Dodgers record is 75-87. They are three games under .500 this season. The Dodger management and the LA Times sportswriters can write all they want about the greatness of Juan Pierre, but the record speaks for itself--and the most important numbers, wins and loses, prove that this team's management is inept.
2008-07-25 19:46:24
70.   KG16
2008-07-25 19:46:41
71.   CanuckDodger
64 -- Tabata's stock has plummeted. Could it go up again? Possible. But the Pirates traded for him, and gave up a lot, when Tabata's trade value should have been negligible.
2008-07-25 19:46:56
72.   fanerman
What a great out. He didn't even strike out.
2008-07-25 19:47:24
73.   fanerman
Well he seems to be running okay. Though I was only half-paying attention.
2008-07-25 19:47:31
74.   Ken Noe
Now that's what a real lead-off batter can do.
2008-07-25 19:49:19
75.   Fallout
57 68elcamino427
With that statement and the one a few days ago concerning having to face Brandon Webb that went something like, "that's why we play the game" I like your attitude.
2008-07-25 19:49:54
76.   Bob Timmermann
Forget about the Giants winning today. The D-Backs are up 5-0.
2008-07-25 19:51:08
77.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I'm at the game. We have visual confirmation that jones is in the lineup.
2008-07-25 19:51:51
78.   dzzrtRatt
Okay, so let's twist the knife a little. Let's say Jones not only figures things out, but gets hot. It could happen. He goes on a tear, hits nine home runs in the next three weeks. Meanwhile, Pierre continues to do "exactly what we're paying him to do," which is to be the toughest guy to strike out in the league who also mostly hits weak grounders. What will Torre do then? Will Ethier continue to sit, with his 11 homers? Does Pierre "need to be in the lineup every day?"

Torre is banking on Jones playing poorly to solve his problem for him. But maybe he won't. Slumps do end, sometimes.

2008-07-25 19:51:57
79.   old dodger fan
Great catch by Kemp. Wow
2008-07-25 19:51:58
80.   68elcamino427
Bison Defense!
2008-07-25 19:52:17
81.   Sam DC
Hanrahan update:
2008-07-25 19:52:19
82.   Who Is Karim Garcia
the bison with a heck of a grab
2008-07-25 19:52:21
83.   MonkeyBlue
Jones could have hurt Bison!
2008-07-25 19:52:31
84.   fanerman
The Bison Roams™!
2008-07-25 19:52:53
85.   scareduck
That was impressive, young Jedi.
2008-07-25 19:53:24
86.   Ken Noe
83 Or eaten him.
2008-07-25 19:53:28
87.   scareduck
78 - Let's say Jones not only figures things out, but gets hot.

Let's say pigs fly.

2008-07-25 19:54:34
88.   Andrew Shimmin
I would totally eat a flying pig.
2008-07-25 19:55:14
89.   MonkeyBlue
Bills is dealing. I love it!
2008-07-25 19:56:53
90.   scareduck
88 - I stuck a knife into the air...
2008-07-25 19:58:09
91.   Tripon
Lets say the crowd suddenly doesn't boo Jones.
2008-07-25 19:59:21
92.   regfairfield
71 Is Nady a lot? He's pretty much just a "at least it's not Juan Pierre" type of guy. Tabata seems like the type of guy the Pirates should be stockpiling.
2008-07-25 20:00:29
93.   Bob Timmermann
The Blue Jays beat Seattle 5-4 in 10 innings. The Mariners had four holds and two blown saves.
2008-07-25 20:00:57
94.   KG16
i liked nomar better when he was acting like it was 1998.
2008-07-25 20:01:18
95.   68elcamino427
Thanks Fallout - Maybe someday we'll get everything that we want.
2008-07-25 20:01:33
96.   tethier
78 I think you're an optimist. We can only hope that Jones goes on a tear. What's more likely to happen is that Jones won't get hot, he'll get lukewarm. He won't be bad enough to put on the bench, but will show enough for Torre to keep him in the lineup. He'll be a lot better than he has been - which of course won't be too hard to do.
2008-07-25 20:02:20
97.   KG16
not the best segway... "a lot of pressure on the Dodgers to produce, and here is Andruw Jones"

got to love Vinny

2008-07-25 20:02:26
98.   Tripon
The Team Formerly Known as the Sonics has trademarked several nicknames such as the Thunder and the... Bison.
2008-07-25 20:02:26
99.   Andrew Shimmin
I like Nady. He's probably not as good as he's been, but I liked him back when he was a Padre. And I didn't realize Marte had been as good as he has. If I were a Pirate fan, I don't know that I'd be thrilled about the deal, but I think Tabata would be nice to dream about.
2008-07-25 20:02:28
100.   Marty
I'd deep fry a flying pig.
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2008-07-25 20:03:12
101.   tethier
He's afraid of Jones.
2008-07-25 20:03:49
102.   KG16
wow, even if he was given the take sign, hard to pass up a change up over the heart of the plate
2008-07-25 20:03:50
103.   Tripon
There are the boos.
2008-07-25 20:03:57
104.   Icaros
There's something juxtaposingly poetic about a Bob Marley song blasting to a chorus of boos.
2008-07-25 20:04:14
105.   scareduck

My, that was fun. Let's do it another 300 times before the season is over, shall we?

2008-07-25 20:05:37
106.   xaphor
Country fried pork wings.
2008-07-25 20:05:44
107.   regfairfield
The Pirates goal over the next week should be sell everyone they can for the highest ceiling guys they can acquire. I think turning Xavier Nady into a dream is a good way to start that. If the Pirates hold on to any useful players outside of Gorzalanney and Snell they go on the "teams we should trade with" list.
2008-07-25 20:06:11
108.   Tripon
Ah, Paul LoDuca. ... Man, that sucked.
2008-07-25 20:06:22
109.   CanuckDodger
92 -- Nady's hitting .330/.383/.535, and Marte is a good set-up man. I would think that package would get a lot more than what the Pirates got for them, especially considering what outrageous demands are being made when the Dodgers inquire about much lesser players.
2008-07-25 20:06:41
110.   scareduck
97 - there's only one Segway.

2008-07-25 20:06:41
111.   Bob Timmermann
There was no reaction at all to Lo Duca.

We've all moved on.

Thank God.

2008-07-25 20:07:18
112.   ucladodger

Ian Snell has been maybe the worst starter in baseball this year. Craazy difference from last year.

Thats an out with Raffy.

2008-07-25 20:07:25
113.   old dodger fan
111 He may be moving on as well.
2008-07-25 20:07:42
114.   68elcamino427
If you submit and get into it - you may be doing it 36 million times.
2008-07-25 20:08:50
115.   Tripon
113 To Japan or Mexico?
2008-07-25 20:08:51
116.   regfairfield
109 Okay, so regress him back to his usual .280 and he's Xavier Nady. His strikeout rate is down so maybe there's something to him, but Tabata seems like a decent return for a guy that should return anything really.
2008-07-25 20:08:54
117.   old dodger fan
That was close but it was a good call.
2008-07-25 20:09:51
118.   old dodger fan
115 Nats announcers think Yankees.
2008-07-25 20:11:27
119.   Bob Timmermann
The Nats offense:
Get 'em on
Get 'em over
Get 'em in
We can do that at least once!
2008-07-25 20:12:07
120.   KG16
118 - well, word is Posada isn't catching the rest of the season. Not that having LoDuca behind the plate is much of an upgrade over whichever Molina is in the Bronx
2008-07-25 20:12:15
121.   Andrew Shimmin
Charlie at Bucs Dugout likes the deal, especially Kontos (whom I hadn't heard of before). His commenters don't, much.
2008-07-25 20:12:40
122.   scareduck
Any automobile that offers anything by Microsoft is on my list of vehicles I have no interest in, ever. I mean, the "blue screen of death" takes on a different meaning at 65 MPH.
2008-07-25 20:13:15
123.   old dodger fan
120 He's played 1st and LF this year as well.
2008-07-25 20:13:37
124.   scareduck
LaRoche has failed me for the last time.
2008-07-25 20:14:33
125.   regfairfield
121 His commenters also said "I wouldn't put Nady in the deal for Wilson". Charlie is the only sane one there.
2008-07-25 20:15:18
126.   scareduck
125 - is this a surprise? How crazy do you have to be to be a fan of the Nats?
2008-07-25 20:16:22
127.   Tripon
Do Bucs fans like Jack Wilson? I just look at his stats and marvel that he's getting paid $8 and $9 million for the next two years to basically be a weak hitting SS.
2008-07-25 20:16:26
128.   ucladodger
By the way Vin told that story, it doesnt sound like Ethier is going to get much PT. Unreal.
2008-07-25 20:16:30
129.   KG16
so far the pitcher has hit the ball further in one at bat than Pierre has in two.
2008-07-25 20:16:32
130.   regfairfield
That was the Kemp for Wilson deal by the way.
2008-07-25 20:16:50
131.   fanerman
At least Matt gets to lead-off the next inning.
2008-07-25 20:17:15
132.   eusmus
Juan with another "honest" at-bat.
2008-07-25 20:17:21
133.   regfairfield
127 He's underrated since he's pretty good defensively. He's not worth much more than a Meloan and May package though.
2008-07-25 20:18:31
134.   old dodger fan
126 Maybe about as crazy as a Dodger fan.
2008-07-25 20:18:55
135.   JoeyP
Lannan's really outperforming what his minor league numbers would suggest his talent is.

He didnt really do anything real notable in the minors, but he's been pretty good in the majors so far.

2008-07-25 20:19:56
136.   KG16
Vin Scully with a Chick Hearn reference!
2008-07-25 20:21:22
137.   Marty
I need the Dodgers to be a pleasant diversion from the every day stress that is my job. Joe Torre and Juan Pierre are making me seriously think about finding another diversion. I think I need to take up smoking salvia.
2008-07-25 20:21:25
138.   Bob Timmermann
California high school's never do things like name people "Mr. Baseball" or "Mr. Basketball".

I would think that "Mr. Basketball" in California every year would be a one and done or an NBA/Euro prospect.

2008-07-25 20:22:02
139.   Bob Timmermann
At first, I wondered how you would smoke saliva.
2008-07-25 20:22:16
140.   regfairfield
137 Just don't try to write a letter to your congressman at the same time.
2008-07-25 20:23:54
141.   68elcamino427
Nice pick and throw by the third baseman to start the double play.
2008-07-25 20:24:11
142.   Tripon
Hey, 83% thinks the Dbacks aren't going to be first in the division when this all ends.
2008-07-25 20:24:15
143.   KG16
17% of voters are not paying attention to this season, or they have no faith in the Dodgers.
2008-07-25 20:24:41
144.   scareduck
138 - California high school's

Oh, Bob, how could you?

2008-07-25 20:24:57
145.   MonkeyBlue
What? Proctor is getting heathlty??? NOOOOO!
2008-07-25 20:25:32
146.   Bob Timmermann
I would have thought the Cubs would be the most likely team to lose its lead. They're only up by a game and they would have fallen into the wild card slot if the Brewers had won tonight because of tiebreakers.
2008-07-25 20:25:35
147.   Icaros
Look at Matt Kemp knowing how to lead off!
2008-07-25 20:25:43
148.   old dodger fan
Lead off man getting on base. Pay attention Joe.
2008-07-25 20:26:01
149.   fanerman
Bison Patience™
2008-07-25 20:26:22
150.   Bob Timmermann
If Kemp steals a base here, it won't make as much of a difference if he had stole it while batting leadoff.
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2008-07-25 20:27:13
151.   MonkeyBlue
Damn!!!! Dodgers like me is never going to score.
2008-07-25 20:27:31
152.   KG16
146 - yeah, actually, I'd go with the Mets because they've got two teams right on their heels
2008-07-25 20:28:07
153.   Bob Timmermann
The GIDP race up to the minute:
Nats 103
Dodgers 98
2008-07-25 20:28:16
154.   Tripon
Error on Umpire.
2008-07-25 20:28:16
155.   nofatmike
Russell has been struggling badly lately.
2008-07-25 20:28:52
156.   Andrew Shimmin
If Marty starts smoking salvia, do you think he'll leak us some memos? I see LA Times' internal memos all over the place, but never at DT.
2008-07-25 20:28:58
157.   scareduck
Realistically, the Cubs have to hold their starting staff together and get good relief, neither of which are certainties given the guys they've got in their rotation past Zambrano or in the bullpen.
2008-07-25 20:29:06
158.   old dodger fan
Zimmerman charged with a tough error. I'd call it a hit.
2008-07-25 20:29:08
159.   JoeyP
Zimmerman's been terrrible this year.
2008-07-25 20:29:29
160.   Jon Weisman
Update above at the bottom of this post.
2008-07-25 20:30:09
161.   scareduck
156 - when is the current publisher going to be fired?
2008-07-25 20:31:06
162.   regfairfield
156 If Marty can type I'd be impressed.
2008-07-25 20:31:27
163.   JoeyP
From the plate, dont know about his fielding.
2008-07-25 20:31:49
164.   Tripon
Of course Torre is getting testy. No way in heck he made this decision of Jones over Andrew by himself. I'm sure he had to be nodded to it by Ned.
2008-07-25 20:31:56
165.   Jon Weisman
161 - He quit, right? There is no current publisher.
2008-07-25 20:32:32
166.   Tripon
Paul LoDuca only has 12 RBIs?
2008-07-25 20:32:44
167.   Bob Timmermann
Torre's comments in the update make almost, but not quite, entirely no sense.
2008-07-25 20:33:13
168.   CanuckDodger
Have people here read the story about how Manny Ramirez refuses to use toilet paper?

You see, this is why people who have to actually be around ball players like Juan Pierre. What he does doesn't look pretty in a boxscore, but he's not insane either.

2008-07-25 20:33:51
169.   scareduck
165 - I figured there would be a vice publisher. But maybe not.
2008-07-25 20:34:04
170.   old dodger fan
Torre's talking to the media like they are 5 year olds. Hmm.
2008-07-25 20:34:12
171.   scareduck
168 - oh, my.
2008-07-25 20:35:04
172.   Andrew Shimmin
167- He says what he says because he's the manager, Bob. You want to say something different, go get yourself a baseball team.
2008-07-25 20:35:32
173.   Tripon
I'd take Manny and his refusal to use toilet paper. Its not like his craziness affects his playing on the field.
2008-07-25 20:35:34
174.   regfairfield
168 Manny is awesome. He just has some discerning tastes.
2008-07-25 20:36:09
175.   Marty
Two people from Chicago are running things. They say they'll name a publisher by end of Summer. Rumors have it being the current publisher of the Baltimore Sun.
2008-07-25 20:36:22
176.   Bob Timmermann
I'm going to use that theory tomorrow and start speaking nonsensically to my staff. I'm the manager after all!
2008-07-25 20:36:55
177.   68elcamino427
If you're a reporter asking Joe Torre those questions -when you do - make sure you're not standing near the protective railing in the top deck seating area.
2008-07-25 20:37:15
178.   underdog
LoDuca's RBI and HR totals are quite impressive, yes.


Yikes. You had to point out that Manny story right after I finished dinner.

2008-07-25 20:37:23
179.   Tripon
175 Any chance Tribune Corp can sell the L.A. Times? At the rate its going, the paper isn't going to be worth the paper its printed on.
2008-07-25 20:37:25
180.   Marty
Manny just needs to get together with Moises Alou to clean his hands.
2008-07-25 20:37:44
181.   Bob Timmermann
Did that character show up in "The Wire" in Season Five?
2008-07-25 20:37:56
182.   Andrew Shimmin
175- Uh oh. I saw a documentary about the publisher of the Baltimore Sun. I think that may be a bad idea. I'd say more, but the last I heard you were still on season two. Of the documentary.
2008-07-25 20:38:17
183.   Tripon
This game is going pretty fast. Its already the 5th inning and barely a hour has passed.
2008-07-25 20:39:15
184.   Marty
179 There's always a chance. I predict that Tribune has to start selling assets next year. Unfortunately, the Times is still the major revenue generator, so I'd imagine they would be last to go.
2008-07-25 20:40:26
185.   old dodger fan
Error and a walk. Never good.
2008-07-25 20:40:27
186.   max power
Anyone else just catch Vin say that Willie Harris dropped the deuce?
2008-07-25 20:41:04
187.   Marty
182 I'm on season three now. Omar is my favorite character.
2008-07-25 20:41:46
188.   Bob Timmermann
Go buy some Honey Nut Cheerios now.
2008-07-25 20:42:19
189.   regfairfield
186 You can find low brow discussion like that on True Blue LA.
2008-07-25 20:44:51
190.   Bob Timmermann
The 150:1s move a game up in the AL East after beating KC 5-3.
2008-07-25 20:45:18
191.   max power
189 Well done.
2008-07-25 20:46:34
192.   kinbote
Honest question: Is Colletti/Torre the worst GM/Manager tandem in baseball? And if so, does McCourt have any idea?

Jon might have to suspend Rule 8 for the remainder of the 2008 season. (And I didn't even mention Pierre & Jones.)

2008-07-25 20:46:34
193.   fanerman
Boo. Gotta hustle James!
2008-07-25 20:46:58
194.   scareduck
Andruw accidentally does something good. The horror, the horror.
2008-07-25 20:46:58
195.   Andrew Shimmin
He's back, baby. Lock up your unicorn chops and flying pig fritters!
2008-07-25 20:47:04
196.   68elcamino427
2008-07-25 20:47:08
197.   Tripon
Pitches Andruw Jones can hit:

Fastball down the middle.

2008-07-25 20:47:10
198.   fanerman
2008-07-25 20:47:11
199.   Jon Weisman
How about that ... Jones is here to stay, because Ethier could never hit a fly ball to the warning track.

I'm really becoming caustic.

2008-07-25 20:47:17
200.   old dodger fan
Who is that man in Jones' uniform?
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2008-07-25 20:47:33
201.   Bob Timmermann
I looked up and I saw a man on a pale horse...
2008-07-25 20:47:54
202.   JoeyP

Ethier wont get off the bench now.

2008-07-25 20:48:01
203.   fanerman
194 Accidentally?
2008-07-25 20:48:04
204.   Bob Timmermann
Where do you stand on bear baiting?
2008-07-25 20:48:08
205.   OhioBlues12
That was the nail in Ethier's coffin.
2008-07-25 20:48:17
206.   underdog
Damn, I thought that was outta here at first -- then I thought he was robbed. So we'll meet halfway and take a double.
2008-07-25 20:49:53
207.   underdog
199 Can't it just be Pierre back to the bench? Sigh...
2008-07-25 20:50:01
208.   scareduck
195 - he has a Stanford tree on his back. Does Jon know?
2008-07-25 20:50:05
209.   fanerman
Maybe they're just showcasing Pierre.
2008-07-25 20:50:38
210.   Tripon
Look at the bright side, now our bench is strengthen by new pitch hitter Andruw Jones.
2008-07-25 20:51:11
211.   Landonkk
I have to say that I have never been so upset to see a Dodger hit a double...

If they were using 'promising ab's' as a reason to keep him in there, imagine now that they can point to an actual extra-base hit. DARN YOU Willie Harris!

2008-07-25 20:51:20
212.   kinbote
Seriously, if this team shuts us out, it's all over now et cetera.
2008-07-25 20:51:20
213.   fanerman
210 You mean Andre Ethier?
2008-07-25 20:51:24
214.   OhioBlues12
207 - Nope, he is the only one who "knows how to leadoff", anyone else is just pretending.
2008-07-25 20:52:11
215.   fanerman
212 T-Jax, is that you?
2008-07-25 20:52:40
216.   Neal Pollack
137--I just caught your smoking salvia reference. It only takes about ten minutes of your time. Not enough of a diversion.
2008-07-25 20:53:05
217.   fanerman
So much sadness after that double.
2008-07-25 20:55:01
218.   kinbote
215 I'll take a break from posting :)
2008-07-25 20:56:15
219.   scareduck
216 - I don't practice Santeria.
2008-07-25 20:56:32
220.   OhioBlues12
217 - Probably because even if Jones strkes out twice with the bases loaded for the remainder of the game we will hear more comments like . . .

"In Andruw's case, I want to see more of what I've seen some of. Keep in mind, if you go back to the start, Andruw was a huge part because of what he brings to the table and I'm not about to ignore that. We signed the guy for a reason. His experience, being on championship clubs. But he's struggling. That's where the dilemma is for who gets most of the action. If I saw no progress it would be an easier decision to make."

2008-07-25 20:56:56
221.   Tripon
This team isn't going to score much with Juan Pierre on the top.

213 Yeah, I meant Andre. That or he's traded for a 3rd baseman/SS. Now that's Nady's off the market, Teams might think they can get a guy like Andre on the cheap.

2008-07-25 20:57:41
222.   max power
216 Great CityBeat column this week.
2008-07-25 20:57:53
223.   Tripon
Lowe looks happy. Maybe he knows he's already traded to the Yanks.
2008-07-25 21:00:23
224.   underdog
The Dodgers' 9th, 1st and 2nd place hitters are coming up in the next inning. :-/
2008-07-25 21:00:53
225.   KG16
219 - i ain't got no crystal ball

sorry, sublime reference

2008-07-25 21:01:49
226.   underdog
On the other hand, before people get too depressed about 1 or 2 hitters in our lineup, I do recommend reading Ken's latest post over on Catfish Stew for a perspective check.
2008-07-25 21:02:04
227.   Eric L
221 This team isn't going to score much because the manager (and perhaps the GM) isn't playing the best players. Though I can never really give up on the Dodgers, I've been tempted the last couple of years. Then again, I would have to redecorate my home office and I don't want to.
2008-07-25 21:03:13
228.   jasonungar07
I have no idea what's keeping me a dodger fan. It's totally irrational. I live 25 min from Angel stadium. I'm pretty fed up. To bench Ethier is symbolic of everything thats wrong.
2008-07-25 21:03:25
229.   MonkeyBlue
Please don't screw up this inning.
2008-07-25 21:03:28
230.   underdog
Whee! Our 9th place hitter can hit a hanging curve! Well, that's good.
2008-07-25 21:03:34
231.   68elcamino427
Bison line-drive power!
2008-07-25 21:04:28
232.   underdog
And our real leadoff hitter rips a hit, too.

Okay, no double play here this time, Mr. Russell Coltrane Martin.

2008-07-25 21:04:53
233.   Tripon
I can't root for the Angels even as I go to school at UCI. Its just seems odd to me that people actually list the Angels over the Dodgers.
2008-07-25 21:05:25
234.   TheBigGrabowski
Come on Martin!
2008-07-25 21:05:36
235.   Bob Timmermann
Do the Nats have one of these?

2008-07-25 21:06:44
236.   MonkeyBlue
2008-07-25 21:07:00
237.   overkill94
Loaded up for the grumpy one!
2008-07-25 21:07:18
238.   unlazy4sports
I grew up and still live in OC. Back when I was growing up going to school, everyone around me are "Dodger fans". Nowadays, I'm surrounded by "Angel fans". I recognize some of them from back in the days. =)
2008-07-25 21:07:52
239.   old dodger fan
6th inning Lannan doesn't look like 4th inning Lannan
2008-07-25 21:07:55
240.   underdog
Okay, one more HBP Lannan and then you can get another one of your special ejections.
2008-07-25 21:08:21
241.   unlazy4sports
C'mon vet, let's get a quality AB here..
2008-07-25 21:08:44
242.   old dodger fan
240 No broken bones this time.
2008-07-25 21:09:18
243.   Tripon
Can PVLs truly brings in runs?
2008-07-25 21:09:53
244.   scareduck
228 - it's like watching a slow-motion trainwreck at times. Nevertheless, I keep showing up, despite my annual tithing to Arte Moreno.
2008-07-25 21:10:08
245.   regfairfield
243 I don't know they are pretty old...
2008-07-25 21:10:13
246.   Tripon
Lannan looks perplexed up there. I would totally love this guy as a Dodger.
2008-07-25 21:10:37
247.   scareduck
238 - gee, sounds familiar. :-)
2008-07-25 21:11:00
248.   overkill94
Stupid line drives!
2008-07-25 21:11:07
249.   scareduck
Bad luck on that one.
2008-07-25 21:11:12
250.   unlazy4sports
that's some bad luck
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2008-07-25 21:11:48
251.   Tripon
2008-07-25 21:11:51
252.   overkill94
2008-07-25 21:12:00
253.   old dodger fan
2008-07-25 21:12:08
254.   scareduck
THAT'S how you get it done!
2008-07-25 21:12:22
255.   TheBigGrabowski
regfairfield/Andrew, I'm having trouble logging into TrueBlueLA, everytime I go to login it takes me to the SBnation homepage, and after I'm logged in, it won't let me comment because it wants me to sign in again. Any suggestions?
2008-07-25 21:12:23
256.   MonkeyBlue
I knew he would come through!
2008-07-25 21:12:31
257.   underdog
Better than a line drive DP I guess. Man, Nomar and Loney, if you guys can't drive in at least a run, I'm going to be a sad panda, er, puppy.
2008-07-25 21:12:32
258.   fanerman
Party like it's 1998!
2008-07-25 21:12:39
259.   TheBigGrabowski
YES! nice hit Nomar
2008-07-25 21:12:58
260.   Gagne55
251 -253 Looks like gamecast will say something good soon
2008-07-25 21:13:03
261.   underdog
Yay! Nomar comes through. Whew.
2008-07-25 21:13:54
262.   regfairfield
255 The only thing I can think of is that you disabled cookies.
2008-07-25 21:15:19
263.   overkill94
That'll work
2008-07-25 21:15:20
264.   underdog
Btw, just for the record, and no offense to any of you who are also Angels fans, but just for me personally, I could be living in the dugout at the Angels stadium and still wouldn't root for the Angels.
2008-07-25 21:15:21
265.   scareduck
2008-07-25 21:15:40
266.   MonkeyBlue
Nice AB for Loney. Got the job done.
2008-07-25 21:15:53
267.   scareduck
264 - I can appreciate that.
2008-07-25 21:16:00
268.   Gagne55
262 I could go for some cookies right about now. Too bad I'm out of milk...
2008-07-25 21:16:11
269.   fanerman
Last at-bat was the nail in the coffin. This one will throw it into the vat of acid.
2008-07-25 21:16:44
270.   unlazy4sports
that's some bad luck
2008-07-25 21:16:55
271.   Icaros

Yeah? Well, I could be their starting CF and still not root for them.

2008-07-25 21:17:00
272.   68elcamino427
After reading the article in the Register today about Ben Hines and his son, considering all of the other former Dodgers involved team management and coaching, looking ar the standings, considering how focused and balanced the team owner is, and knowing that I'm only 10-20 minutes from Angel Stadium, I was entertaining similar thoughts today. I love the Dodgers and like the Angels.
It is irrational though.

If Vin were announcing for the Angles, that would change things for sure.

2008-07-25 21:17:10
273.   Bob Timmermann
I have never understood people's antipathy toward the Angels.

But I don't understand a lot of things.

2008-07-25 21:17:30
274.   unlazy4sports
270 oops, hit the back button by accident
2008-07-25 21:17:35
275.   overkill94
Andruw doesn't look totally lost up there tonight. We should only start him against soft-tossing lefties.
2008-07-25 21:17:55
276.   overkill94
Spoke too soon
2008-07-25 21:18:29
277.   MonkeyBlue
Andruw stroke out. Surpise SURPISE!
2008-07-25 21:18:39
278.   old dodger fan
Bad swing, Good inning.
2008-07-25 21:19:16
279.   underdog
Hm, didn't look like he went around, but I guess close enough when you're Andruw.
2008-07-25 21:19:24
280.   Neal Pollack
Never thought I'd say this, but thank god for Nomar. I hope the media stays on Torre about Jones. He cannot be played over Ethier.
2008-07-25 21:20:42
281.   underdog
271 Oh yeah?! Well I could replace Arte Moreno as a clone of him in an "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"-like scenario and still not root for them! So there! {screech}
2008-07-25 21:20:52
282.   overkill94
The Prize Winner's been nice and efficient with his pitches tonight for the most part
2008-07-25 21:21:05
283.   Gagne55
273 Much of it has to do with the name change. The Dodgers are LA's team. For a team from the OC to try to claim to be something they're not (an LA team) is irritating.
2008-07-25 21:21:06
284.   immouch
angels... what's to hate? or like. or... anything? they're the 7/11-anchored strip mall of baseball.
2008-07-25 21:21:52
285.   underdog
Lastings Milledge, fresh off the DL, is sort of like the Nats' very young version of Pierre.
2008-07-25 21:22:16
286.   Tripon
I wish Arte Moreno was the owner of the Dodgers.
2008-07-25 21:22:55
287.   TheBigGrabowski
Oh Kemp!
2008-07-25 21:22:58
288.   MonkeyBlue
2008-07-25 21:23:03
289.   Tripon
2008-07-25 21:23:04
290.   old dodger fan
2nd great play by Kemp tonight.
2008-07-25 21:23:07
291.   68elcamino427
Bison Defense - even better!
2008-07-25 21:23:14
292.   unlazy4sports
nice catch!
2008-07-25 21:23:16
293.   Icaros

Torre looks like the Body Snatchers got him 20 years ago. I think he also starred in George Romero's first film.

2008-07-25 21:23:37
294.   underdog
I'll be happy if the Giants take one from Arizona this weekend, given how poorly they seem to match up against them. Gotta hope for Lincecum tomorrow, but he's going against Webb.
2008-07-25 21:23:37
295.   Marty
I dunno, maybe we should package Kemp in a trade for a bat.
2008-07-25 21:23:52
296.   overkill94
Pinch-hit for Chad this inning? What does the peanut gallery say? He's only at 89 pitches but the bullpen is nice and rested.
2008-07-25 21:24:04
297.   underdog
Sweeeeet play by the Bison! That ball was ripped.
2008-07-25 21:24:36
298.   daglew
Somebody on CurbedLa today remarked that Andruw Jones' best chance at helping the Dodgers this year would be to drive the new shuttle from Union Station...
2008-07-25 21:24:36
299.   immouch
angels: let me amend my earlier screed. i do think arte moreno is great. same for mike s.
2008-07-25 21:24:49
300.   old dodger fan
What's Chad's pitch count? He's up 2nd but has looked great.
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2008-07-25 21:25:11
301.   underdog
293 And right now it does seem like he could use more.... braaaaaiins.....
2008-07-25 21:25:48
302.   old dodger fan
89 pitches. Good call by Torre.
2008-07-25 21:25:51
303.   overkill94
I agree with Torre on this one. Chad looks strong and could go the distance if he has a quick one in the 8th.
2008-07-25 21:26:13
304.   Icaros

Did you announce your announcement yet?

2008-07-25 21:26:17
305.   unlazy4sports
For me, I never had a problem with the Angels until the year they won the world series. All of a sudden, I'm surrounded by Angel fans rubbing it in for me being a Dodger fan. If they were there all along, fine, but the Angels used to average 15k in attendence!
2008-07-25 21:26:17
306.   immouch
301: ha.
2008-07-25 21:26:23
307.   Gagne55
296 I guess not.
2008-07-25 21:27:09
308.   Icaros
I agree with Torre on this one.

Famous last words.

2008-07-25 21:27:34
309.   68elcamino427
All Pod people follow the plan. They must.
2008-07-25 21:27:44
310.   overkill94
What's the deal with the whole Build-a-Bear thing? I saw a Simpsons episode the other day where they referenced it, but I have no idea what it's all about.
2008-07-25 21:28:06
311.   Michael D
That's our Juan for 4 for us.
2008-07-25 21:28:17
312.   underdog
I'm actually wondering if the Dodgers will send down an extra reliever soon and call up a hitter to give them more depth on the bench, now that they've had a day off, are back home away from the hitter friendly parks for a bit and so on...?
2008-07-25 21:28:32
313.   Gagne55
310 It's just what it sounds like.
2008-07-25 21:28:42
314.   old dodger fan
Nats announcers love Pierre.
2008-07-25 21:29:14
315.   cargill06
kung pow little one.
2008-07-25 21:29:30
316.   Gagne55
312 If they were going to do that, they wouldn't have phantom DL'd Young.
2008-07-25 21:29:49
317.   underdog
The Giants are mounting a furious rally! Aurilia is on first base with 1 out in the 7th, down 10-1! Here we go!
2008-07-25 21:30:01
318.   Penguin
pretty quick game...7 innings in 1:50. feels like a mark buehrle game
2008-07-25 21:30:44
319.   Gagne55
Ryan "I can't palm a basketball I wish I had" Langerhans
2008-07-25 21:30:44
320.   overkill94
For the My Morning Jacket and Band of Horses fans out there, the new Fleet Foxes album is quite good
2008-07-25 21:31:11
321.   underdog
316 - Assuming he wasn't legitimately hurting. I'm naively believing he is ailing, but yeah if that was all bogus then I guess that wouldn't make much sense.

Now 2nd and 3rd with 1 out for the Giants!

...still down 10-1.

2008-07-25 21:31:11
322.   overkill94
Aaaaand now it's time to get the bullpen going

Torre listened to me!

2008-07-25 21:31:20
323.   Gagne55
Oh nos!
2008-07-25 21:32:27
324.   old dodger fan
Oh ye of little faith.
2008-07-25 21:33:32
325.   TheBigGrabowski
320 I could never get into My Morning Jacket, but the Fleet Foxes LP and EP are both excellent.
2008-07-25 21:34:17
326.   overkill94
325 You into Mason Jennings?
2008-07-25 21:34:23
327.   old dodger fan
Error on Zimmerman changed to hit.
2008-07-25 21:34:52
328.   overkill94
Weak sauce
2008-07-25 21:35:15
329.   scareduck
This game reminds me too much of Eraserhead, for reasons I cannot enunciate.
2008-07-25 21:35:44
330.   Zak
Last batter for Billz no matter what
2008-07-25 21:35:45
331.   68elcamino427
Jonsey didn't get his good jump on that one.
2008-07-25 21:36:30
332.   TheBigGrabowski
I've only heard his covers on the I'm Not There soundtrack and the four tracks that he did as a Daytrotter session. I've liked what I've heard so far.
2008-07-25 21:36:57
333.   overkill94
329 Because you have creepy showgirls dancing in your radiator?
2008-07-25 21:37:04
334.   cargill06
328 is he on the and 1 mix tape tour?
2008-07-25 21:37:51
335.   overkill94
332 His self-titled debut is excellent, but it's a bit short (less than 30 minutes)

I just downloaded two of his other albums today and they seem to be pretty good

2008-07-25 21:37:53
336.   68elcamino427
Kearns does it again.
2008-07-25 21:38:00
337.   underdog
I was reading Canuck's comment from much earlier about the Yankees-Pirates trade, I agree it doesn't seem like Pittsburgh got all that much in return for them. Though I don't know if they could've gotten an Ian Kennedy in that deal.
2008-07-25 21:38:20
338.   scareduck
333 , no because I keep seeing the articulated roasted chickens in the outfield.
2008-07-25 21:38:58
339.   underdog
Now you've got to pull Chad. Ah well, he gave it the college try.
2008-07-25 21:39:01
340.   Gagne55
bye bye Billingsley
2008-07-25 21:39:29
341.   68elcamino427
Rumor meets reality.
2008-07-25 21:39:34
342.   Penguin
i don't like using closer in 8th
2008-07-25 21:39:38
343.   old dodger fan
Well, Torre and I were both wrong about keeping Chad in the game but it seems like a 23 year old with only 89 pitches thrown ought to have 1 more inning in him.
2008-07-25 21:40:08
344.   overkill94
338 I need to watch that movie again...while on lots of drugs
2008-07-25 21:40:19
345.   MonkeyBlue
Make me proud Big Brox!
2008-07-25 21:40:22
346.   jasonungar07
I'm a fan of MMJ. Seeing them for the first time in Sept. I'll have to check out the other two bands. Thanks for sharing.
2008-07-25 21:40:59
347.   overkill94
343 The walk was a bummer, but the RBI single was super lame. It was still the right call.
2008-07-25 21:40:59
348.   Tripon
Actually I like it. We gotta see if Broxton is able to do stuff like this. Might as well try it against a weak hitting team like the Nats.
2008-07-25 21:41:02
349.   underdog
Eraserhead, yeah, I can see that... I think there is indeed a fetal-like creature out in left field.
2008-07-25 21:41:29
350.   Gagne55
Jesus Flores is batting 1.000 against Broxton in his career per ESPN.
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2008-07-25 21:42:14
351.   overkill94
346 Oooo, you're in for a treat. My favorite live performance ever was the first time I saw them at Coachella two years ago. They weren't quite as good this year (the set list wasn't up to par), but they still rocked the house.
2008-07-25 21:42:32
352.   MonkeyBlue
Feel the burn Jesus!
2008-07-25 21:42:50
353.   Gagne55
Ha. Make that .500 liftime!
2008-07-25 21:43:06
354.   silverwidow
THAT is why Broxton is an elite reliever.
2008-07-25 21:43:21
355.   68elcamino427
Broxton makes Torre look good.
Send him back out for the next inning too.
2008-07-25 21:43:31
356.   Gagne55
So, four out save for Broxton?
2008-07-25 21:43:31
357.   underdog
Blows him away!
2008-07-25 21:44:12
358.   unlazy4sports
342 I like it.. If you're going to have a closer (best reliever in your bullpen), I'd rather use him in crucial situation like this instead of using a lesser guy here and have the closer come into an easier spot to open the ninth (assuming the other RP don't blow it first).
2008-07-25 21:44:57
359.   underdog
355 - I believe that's the plan since he's our closer now. Weird, though, I feel like we haven't seen Beimel for awhile. That must make a certain guy in WV kind of sad.
2008-07-25 21:45:17
360.   JoeyP
Old Friend Sighting!
2008-07-25 21:45:26
361.   overkill94
Why have I always thought that Hanrahan was a lefty?
2008-07-25 21:45:28
362.   silverwidow
Old friend Joel Hanrahan.
2008-07-25 21:46:06
363.   overkill94
359 He was part of the carnage in the Stults-helmed hit parade on Friday
2008-07-25 21:46:11
364.   silverwidow
Old Friend struck out Bison.
2008-07-25 21:46:28
365.   underdog
Old friend alert!
2008-07-25 21:46:57
366.   silverwidow
Hanrahan was DFA'd to make room for...

Lance Carter.

2008-07-25 21:47:37
367.   old dodger fan
What did we get for Hanrahan?
2008-07-25 21:48:03
368.   overkill94
Argh, I'm hoping for Hanrahan to screw the pooch these days since I picked up Saul Rivera in my NL-only league. Tonight is only reinforcing his claim to the closer throne in Washington.
2008-07-25 21:48:04
369.   underdog
Jeez, I'm so glad I could chime in so quickly there.

363 - Right. (Monday, you mean.) I blocked out most of the pitching in that series.

2008-07-25 21:48:04
370.   unlazy4sports
Hanrahan would look good in our bullpen right now.
2008-07-25 21:48:27
371.   Bob Timmermann
Yellow alert for Chris Davis in Oakland. This is a yellow alert.
2008-07-25 21:49:10
372.   underdog
I always rooted for Hanrahan to make it as a Dodger. But he kind of took forever to develop and I'd sort of given up on him before the Dodgers did. But I still root for him to do well. Except here.
2008-07-25 21:49:27
373.   silverwidow
367 Nothing. He signed as a minor league free agent with Washington.
2008-07-25 21:50:04
374.   JoeyP
All Brox has to do is get Milledge, Loduca, Lopez.

Milledge is one example of toolsy scouty projections coming up lame.

2008-07-25 21:50:15
375.   unlazy4sports
368 I picked up Hanrahan right after Rauch got traded because I remembered Canuck was high on him.
2008-07-25 21:50:23
376.   overkill94
The big three of Jackson, Miller, and Hanrahan were once big-name prospects that lost their way at one point. Now, Jackson is a serviceable starter in Tampa Bay, Hanrahan is the closer in Washington, so when does Miller make his comeback?
2008-07-25 21:50:29
377.   68elcamino427
With the emphasis on unusual decision making recently, I'm prepared for the alternate closer/closer by committee/who's hot at the moment Park/Kuo/Beimel approach to be implemented at any time.
2008-07-25 21:50:33
378.   underdog
{Sweat} Here we go, Ox! Nail this one down.
2008-07-25 21:51:18
379.   old dodger fan
New SS and 2B for us.
2008-07-25 21:51:39
380.   overkill94
375 Unfortunately, he was long gone in my league by the time Rauch was traded. Stupid deep leagues!
2008-07-25 21:51:56
381.   JoeyP
Ozuna/Berroa are now the 4/5 hitters.

Hopefully that wont matter.

2008-07-25 21:53:45
382.   68elcamino427
Drysdale would not appreciate LoDuca slo-mo sand drawings in the batter's box.
2008-07-25 21:55:28
383.   cargill06
and the jello is jiggling.

i'm gonna bet the house on tommorrow's game.

can we win sunday to get to .500????????????????

2008-07-25 21:55:32
384.   scareduck
Mongo merely pawn in last four outs of game.
2008-07-25 21:55:49
385.   old dodger fan
we win
2008-07-25 21:55:53
386.   unlazy4sports
Brox with the 4 out save!
2008-07-25 21:56:00
387.   MonkeyBlue
Wooo! nice win! Too bad Snakes won.
2008-07-25 21:56:26
388.   Gagne55
Dodgers win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
2008-07-25 21:56:42
389.   68elcamino427
Nice win for the Dodgers to open the homestand.
2008-07-25 21:56:45
390.   Bob Timmermann
The Giants still haven't batter in the bottom of the 9th.
2008-07-25 21:56:46
391.   fanerman
Yay! That was a pretty quick game.
2008-07-25 21:56:48
392.   unlazy4sports
380 That's a tough league. And I thought my league was tough. Do you guys have a lot of bench slots?
2008-07-25 21:57:02
393.   Gagne55
387 Everybody in the west other than the Giants won.
2008-07-25 21:57:29
394.   underdog
And he does it! The 4 out save. Nice win for Chad.

Glad the Dodgers escaped with this one.

And now the Giants will begin their furious 8 run rally in the bottom of the ninth!

But I'm going to bed.

2008-07-25 21:57:43
395.   silverwidow
Great win.

BTW, Cole St. Clair made his Ogden debut and recorded his first save.

2008-07-25 21:58:31
396.   Bob Timmermann
I know the DBacks are up 10-2, but the game isn't over.
2008-07-25 21:58:52
397.   scareduck
387 - three outs to go! Magic could happen!
2008-07-25 22:00:05
398.   underdog
St. Clair's one of my picks for biggest sleeper from the Dodgers draft, if you can call him a sleeper.
2008-07-25 22:01:02
399.   underdog
And the DBacks have Bill Buckner pitching, so anything can happen!

Er, no, Billy Buckner, scratch that.

But he walks the first batter!

2008-07-25 22:01:22
400.   Gagne55
lead off walk to Rich Aurillia
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2008-07-25 22:01:25
401.   Icaros
Billy Buckner pitching for Arizona.
2008-07-25 22:01:35
402.   68elcamino427
The young Bison is growing up right before our eyes.
If the learning curve progresses at this rate - how good will he be when he's 26?
2008-07-25 22:01:55
403.   Icaros

You said you were going to bed.

2008-07-25 22:02:44
404.   Gagne55
Ochoa singles
2008-07-25 22:02:45
405.   silverwidow
395 That was actually St. Clair's second appearance.
2008-07-25 22:03:06
406.   fanerman
402 He'll be so good, we won't have to include Billingsley in a trade package to get Jack Wilson.
2008-07-25 22:03:46
407.   Gagne55
403 He saw Aurillia walk and was like "oh the Giants actually are coming back" and decided to stay.

That said, I doubt the Giants come back.

2008-07-25 22:05:11
408.   underdog
403 I am! By gum! I've got a copy of "Watchmen" in my hand and am already half asleep. In fact, I'm typing while asleep. I'm very impressive that way.
2008-07-25 22:05:41
409.   Gagne55
DP; that'll pretty much do it
2008-07-25 22:06:03
410.   Bob Timmermann
Chris Davis actually got another at bat in the 9th in Oakland.

And made an out.

Cycle alert canceled.

Stand down.

2008-07-25 22:07:02
411.   scareduck
Well, that's that. 10-2 Snakes, and the Dodgers don't advance.
2008-07-25 22:07:24
412.   Gagne55
Ok, now it's over
2008-07-25 22:08:15
413.   scareduck
I can't believe anyone is left in Oakland. Texas mauled the A's, 14-5, bottom of the ninth.
2008-07-25 22:10:22
414.   68elcamino427
Logan White ... paging Mr. White ... please report to Mr. McCourt's office for an important meeting.
2008-07-25 22:13:52
415.   silverwidow
Broxton's interviews are great.

"100 [MPH] is 100, but you still gotta hit your spots."

2008-07-25 22:21:50
416.   jasonungar07
Band Of first time ever hearing them is tonight. They sound very familar. The voice sounds almost like the guy from.....gosh....Mercury Rev or like Neil Young sorta...I instantly like them. Sold. Thank you.
2008-07-25 22:24:01
417.   Lexinthedena
Oklahoma Supersonics new team name could be "The Bison"...

According to Yahoo news.

2008-07-25 22:26:33
418.   fanerman
Broxton saving games for Billingsley... just like we pictured it all those years ago.
2008-07-25 22:31:41
419.   Tripon
Kemp, who batted leadoff in 18 of the games that Pierre missed, hit .316 in that role with six doubles, three homers, 11 RBIs, 10 walks and a .393 on-base percentage.
2008-07-25 22:39:21
420.   Tripon

Joe Torre doesn't think we're going to trade anybody because trading for rentals is going to cause us holes next year.

2008-07-25 23:00:39
421.   SG6
419 - but he's not a "leadoff hitter."
2008-07-25 23:01:37
422.   Eric Stephen

Tonight is the first MLB game Broxton has ever saved for Billingsley.

I'm pretty sure the last time Broxton saved a game for Chad was April 28, 2006, when Billingsley took a no-hitter into the 8th before surrendering a hit. Broxton would be called up to the big club for good 4 days later.

Of course, the most famous Bills-Broxton win/save combo was the combined no-hitter in Game 1 of the 2005 Southern League playoffs.

2008-07-25 23:03:34
423.   Tripon
421 He's even better. He's a Bison.
2008-07-25 23:04:40
424.   Tripon
So we're not worrying at all that Broxton's as the closer is going to jack up his arbitration numbers like it did with Eric Gagne right?
2008-07-25 23:24:33
425.   Eric Stephen
Gagne lost his first arbitration case, after perhaps the greatest relief season in history. His first go around with arbitration is this offseason; he won't have enough saves to garner much of an extra boost. The largest determinant in pre-FA arbitration hearings is service time anyway.

Broxton was most likely going to close in 2009 so I don't think his arb numbers will skyrocket.

2008-07-25 23:30:47
426.   gibsonhobbs88
Well the Dodgers won in spite of the Dodgers brain trust's attempts at sabotaging the lineup.

Also, regarding the Yankee, Pirate trade, How do the Yankees get away with giving away so little when the Dodgers are expected to give our current young front line starting pitcher and a young stud 5 tool potential hitter for a weak hitting SS? Does Hank S. call their GM using a voice scrambler and say "Take this offer or expect a dead horse in your bed in the morning! We have ways in NY to make you see things our way, Mr. Huntington, you Capish?"

2008-07-25 23:38:49
427.   gibsonhobbs88
426 - I'm sorry if the above offends anyone or violates any rules at DT, but I am getting fed up with the double standard from the media and fans. Teams like the Yankees can get the players they want without giving up the true blue chip players but the Dodgers are expected to hand over franchise type players for limited role players or broken down or over the hill PVL's and if they don't cave in to the ridiculous trade demands, then they are painted as difficult to deal with. Well yes, I'll be difficult if you want Sandy Koufax and Tommy Davis for "four eyed utility Mcdermott"! Give me a break!!
2008-07-26 00:00:58
428.   KG16
427 - there's a certain advantage to winning a championship more than once every two decades. It also doesn't help that the Dodgers have more younger players than most other teams. Really, what everyday players on the Yankees would a team looking to rebuild actually want? Other than Joba, they don't have anyone. The Red Sox have a guy or two, but they're not about to give up Elsberry, Pedroia, or Bulchutz.

The Dodgers, however, are perceived as being a team that traditionally has a very strong farm system, and if they're making a move, it's because they want to win now, so they have to give up potential future talent.

2008-07-26 00:28:25
429.   jumanjifan01
The theme of the day seems to be troubling Torre comments. This little gem appears in tomorrow's game preview by Michael Schwartz on

"He battles you," Torre said of Pierre. "He got the base hit that got us going, which is important. Again, he's a threat on the bases. When he gets on, especially leading off an inning he distracts the pitcher enough where Matt [Kemp] gets a base hit and all of a sudden he hits Russell [Martin], and we're basically off to the races, but I thought he was fine. He's in such great shape."

Kemp's base hit a result of Pierre distracting the pitcher?

2008-07-26 01:12:13
430.   Improbable88
422 I was AT that game!

It was the first time I saw either of them and they both lived up to the hype. So, for that matter, did Joel Guzman, who hit a MONSTER homerun, a good 50 feet higher than the elevated Vegas fence as it soared out of the stadium and into the desert night.

2008-07-26 01:19:53
431.   trainwreck
That one may take the cake.
2008-07-26 01:48:25
432.   Eric Enders
Pierre is distracting someone, all right. The manager.
2008-07-26 02:02:44
433.   Benjamin Miracord
I went to the forest tonight and picked up a wolf. Then I stopped at the butcher shop and bought six dozen lamb chops.

When I got home, I took the wolf out into the backyard and spent four hours trying to throw a lamb chop past him.

I couldn't do it.

2008-07-26 03:12:28
434.   larry slimfast
429 Wow, turns out Torre really is an idiot. Up until now I honestly didn't think he was. Dang. I used to think he just made crap up to distract from some other development but he has no reason to build up Pierre. He's untradable. He's already starting. Torre is just completely unaware of Pierre's true value and best role.
2008-07-26 04:19:19
435.   Eric Enders
Casey Stengel always went to great lengths to try to convince people he was an idiot, but of course, he was crazy like a fox. I guess if you wanted to, you could argue that Torre is doing the same thing.

But he sounds sincere to me.

2008-07-26 04:44:23
436.   Ken Noe
Just listened to the Torre video at the Times site...wasn't that a defense of McCourt killing Ned's CC deal?

By the way, Jon's prediction may come true perhaps sooner than August...the Jones train may run out Sunday unless he gets some more doubles.

2008-07-26 05:55:21
437.   old dodger fan
News of the Weird
Extra innings will have a new look in the Olympics.
Each team's at bat in the 11th inning and beyond will begin with runners on 1st and 2nd. Teams can start the 11th at any point in their batting order.
New rule was adopted to save time.

Maybe they saw the AS game.

2008-07-26 05:57:48
438.   old dodger fan
And as soon as I typed that I read Bob's post at the Griddle. I hate it when that happens.
2008-07-26 06:22:27
439.   D4P
I guess it hasn't occurred to Mr. Manager that the hitters who benefit most from a Distracted Pitcher™ are the bad hitters, not the good ones.
2008-07-26 06:27:30
440.   D4P
That is, if anyone benefits from a Distracted Pitcher™.
2008-07-26 06:35:53
441.   Marty
Well, we've got three more years of Pierre and what, two more years of Torre?

I am depressed.

2008-07-26 07:50:55
442.   MC Safety
For fans of Sub Pop band Comets On Fire:

Comets On Fire side project Howlin' Rain is playing Spaceland tonight with my friends the Crystal Antlers. Extreme sports enthusiasts may recognize Howlin' Rain from their Fuel TV commercial. And for Mars Volta fans, Ikey Owens produced Crystal Antlers latest EP. Should be a great show.

2008-07-26 08:13:20
443.   Ken Noe
Supposedly Cleveland sports talk radio (yeah, I know) is all abuzz LaRoche/Hu/McDonald for Blake/Carroll/a reliever, with the Dodgers asking for Perez and the Tribe offering anybody but Perez. What strikes me is how much this sounds like a Ned deal--but wouldn't a Blake rental counter what Torre said yesterday? Anyway,, read the letters, take it for what it is.
2008-07-26 08:21:38
444.   Howard Fox
if I was a betting man, I would bet that Ethier is gone by the trading deadline...

I think, as crazy as this sounds, that Torre in his mind sees Jones as going thru what ARod went thru a couple of years ago, and that if he rides it out, he will see the same result....never mind that Jones is not ARod, I think that is how he sees it...

Torre loves Pierre's speed, and I think he also love Kemp (thank g-d), but that leaves Ethier the odd man out, and right now he probably has high trade value...

as far as third base goes, I think Torre has given up on both LaRoche and DeWitt, and doesn't care who we get or for how long, just so long as he doesn't have to play either one of them...

2008-07-26 08:26:03
445.   Ken Noe
444 My guess is that if they were trading Dre, someone other than DY would've had the phantom injury, unless an outfielder is targeted and none have been mentioned. I'm sticking with Jon, Jones clock is ticking down to silence.
2008-07-26 08:27:45
446.   Howard Fox
I don't see it, every time Jones hits a double, you can add a couple of weeks onto that "timeline"...

you can almost hear Torre saying "see? patience...he's coming around..."

2008-07-26 08:28:51
447.   Lexinthedena
Torre's love for Pierre seems irrational, and his performance is vastly overvalued, but I can see why a manager would be in love with him. I don't think anyone is happy with Jones, and I'm pretty sure they dig Dre. Jones has a week, two weeks tops, I would say.
2008-07-26 08:32:17
448.   Howard Fox
I think Torre's irrational love for Pierre should be looked at as more than just liking Pierre...

Torre either loves a player, or the player is in his doghouse...he loves Pierre-and he came back early from rehab!!!...he loves Jones-and he came back early from rehab!!! Torre values this "devotion" and "dedication"...old school values, and Torre is an old school guy

2008-07-26 08:33:25
449.   Howard Fox
actually, now that I think of it, Torre is just old
2008-07-26 08:44:27
450.   herchyzer
433 . Were you dressed as Little Red Riding Hood? Sorry.

444 . We all pray that you're wrong about nearly everything, but we don't have a lot of confidence. (Although Ethier for Bay, somehow... Hey! They want one of our good players. Oh, yeah. They want 2 or 3 of our good players... for Wilson. Oh, well.)

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2008-07-26 08:45:25
451.   RELX
444 . I don't think that the Dodgers will deal Ethier. Whatever their many shortcomings as a management team, Torre and Colletti have to realize they have a major problem with Jones. Torre can talk all he wants about giving Jones more time, etc., but even the most ignorant observer can see that Jones is no longer a major league caliber hitter. If the Dodgers trade Ethier, they will have no fallback option if Jones continues on his path to oblivion, which there is no reason to assume he won't. I assume that Torre told Ethier to cool it for a week or two, and if Jones isn't hitting, there will be another mysterious injury, and Ethier will be back in the line-up.
2008-07-26 09:03:53
452.   Icaros
Ugh, that preview article is just terrible. Pierre jump-starts the offense? They scored three runs. Pierre is even quoted saying prayer helped his knee heal quicker. Barf.
2008-07-26 09:04:57
453.   oshea2002
per Stark we are close to getting Blake. Also, espn is stating on the radio that there's a decent chance Manny Ramirez gets dealt somewhere.
2008-07-26 09:05:27
454.   oshea2002
espn is saying we are trading Santana and Meloan for Blake.
2008-07-26 09:07:19
455.   underdog
Torre's quotes on trade possibilities were actually kind of reassuring to me. I also appreciated this:

>>MLBlogs writer Ken Gurnick followed up with Dodgers' sources on the rumor that they're on the verge of trading Andy LaRoche (possibly +1) for A's reliever Huston Street, to which they scoffed.<<

(All from MLBTR post on the subject.)

Btw, re: Blake, he can play the outfield, too, right? I have to say, I don't know if I want him as a full time starter, especially if he's expensive, but I wouldn't mind having him in the mix as a 3B-OF backup because he strengthens a pretty weak bench. Who would you guys give up for him?

2008-07-26 09:08:06
456.   underdog
Meloan, yes, Santana, UGH. Trade that other converted catcher instead.
2008-07-26 09:08:23
457.   tethier
444 I'm pessimistic about Torre and Ned but I agree with RELX in 451. I don't think they'll trade Ethier. They have to have a fallback when Jones tanks for good. I do agree with you that Torre is grasping at any little glimmer of hope from AJ. I even expect Jones to do well tonight against a soft-tossing lefty like Perez which will buy him even more time.

I can offer an even greater Ned-Torre trade deadline nightmare. They trade Ethier & LaRoche for some PVL 3B like Melvin Mora and then activate Sweeney becasue they've opened a roster spot.

2008-07-26 09:10:39
458.   underdog
Wait, isn't Blake a FA after the season? Doesn't that counter the "we're not looking for a rental" philosophy? Again, I'm not against acquiring him, even for prospects, but that seems like you should give up a lesser prospect if he's only coming for a few months.
2008-07-26 09:11:56
459.   oshea2002
458 - I guess instead they went for a prospect decently far out instead of a lesser prospect. I'm not excited about losing Santana.
2008-07-26 09:11:57
460.   regfairfield
455 Blake can play all four corners. I think that he's seen as the answer at third. What do we do next year when Andy is out of options and he's never got a chance to show what he can do?
2008-07-26 09:14:05
461.   tethier
460 Especially of Blake is a rental, I think Andy will be given a chance next year.
2008-07-26 09:14:06
462.   regfairfield
Cost is a non issue here, we'd owe Blake about 2.5 million the rest of the year.
2008-07-26 09:15:05
463.   Icaros
Just another stupid deal. Has LaRoche been a problem the past four games? Is Blake a difference-maker? No.

Now we're losing one of our very few minor leaguers with real power, and Meloan.

2008-07-26 09:15:22
464.   tethier
454 Who gets sent to Vegas, or gets a phantom injury or released?
2008-07-26 09:17:18
465.   Bob Timmermann
I think LaRoche should only be shutdown so we can call the Dodgers third basemen Blake Blake.
2008-07-26 09:17:40
466.   Bob Timmermann
I mean "sent down."

Sorry, still early and I've had coffee too.

2008-07-26 09:20:06
467.   Flonne
A trade for the sake of making a trade.
2008-07-26 09:22:56
468.   larry slimfast
Casey Blake prediction: .255/.330/.425
2008-07-26 09:23:11
469.   CanuckDodger
So, how reliable is this report? Santana and Meloan for Blake is a deal that seems consistent with the idea of "not mortgaging the future" while also being consistent with Colletti's pattern to give up too much youthful talent for too little return.
2008-07-26 09:25:02
470.   regfairfield
It's being reported as almost done instead of just a rumor and it's got it's own article on ESPN. It's got specifics so I think it's pretty valid.
2008-07-26 09:25:04
471.   Icaros

ESPN front page is usually pretty reliable.

2008-07-26 09:25:14
472.   Indiana Jon
Pitiful. We're sending our best catching prospect and a pretty decent future reliever so we can gain a guy who is barely average. All this at the expense of the #14 prospect in baseball that many team would insert into there lineup today if they had him. Blake is a worse 3B option than Nomar. Ridiculous.
2008-07-26 09:25:49
473.   Bob Timmermann
The ESPN front page is usually reliable unless Les Miles is involved.
2008-07-26 09:26:33
474.   Ken Noe
Jayson Stark says Blake and cash for (probably) Santana and Meloan, extact players still on the table.

2008-07-26 09:26:57
475.   Bob Timmermann
On the other hand, the fans in Cleveland loved Casey Blake.

Andy Marte must be feeling mighty happy now.

2008-07-26 09:27:36
476.   Lexinthedena
Why Santana!?!?!?!?!?
2008-07-26 09:28:54
477.   Ken Noe
467 A saving face deal; Ned can still say he made a deal with the Tribe.

455 Yes, he's a FA, short-term rental. Most teams were looking at him as right fielder.

2008-07-26 09:29:22
478.   bhsportsguy
454 The positives:

1) The deal probably shuts down any other deals short of dealing Derek Lowe or perhaps something involving getting Maddux back.
2) As a "rental," he does not block LaRoche or DeWitt from the position in 2009.
3) Right now, Blake is considered a Type "B" free agent, but if he continues on this pace, he could be a Type "A." However, given his salary, its doubtful the Dodgers would offer arbitration but if he is a Type "B" FA, where the team that signs him does not lose pick, that signing could take place before the Dodgers actually have to offer arbitration so they could still get a compensation pick.
4) My hunch is that if this deal does go through, it will be DeWitt that goes down for a month, only to get regular playing time but he would come back in September.
5) None of the players on the MLB roster are involved.

The negatives:

1) This is not a deal that will dramatically alter the lineup but will probably have an effect like Nomar had replacing the dark hole at SS.
2) Both prospects are probable MLB players though Santana could be one of the first Dodger prospects to benefit from the move to the Cal League.
3) Takes one of the cooler names away from the system.
4) Though it is doubtful to fall into the Jeff Bagwell for Larry Anderson column, it is a risk.

2008-07-26 09:30:08
479.   Bob Timmermann
Blake hasn't played the outfield with any regularity since 2006.
2008-07-26 09:31:47
480.   GoBears
Typical Colletti pointlessness.

But I agree with the theme of the last 24 hours that Torre is actually the bigger problem now. Colletti seems to understand that he shouldn't jettison any of the MLB-level kids (though frittering away AA players is easy because the fans don't notice).

But Torre clearly has no idea who his best players are. That's a gift that keeps on giving.

2008-07-26 09:32:11
481.   Bob Timmermann
Perhaps I can set up something online for people to reminisce about how much they miss Santana and Meloan. Then once they become successful major leaguers, it can really get filled up.

Then I'll come back and say "Stop your whining." And then people will tell me they have the right to whine.

And the whole cycle will start up again.

2008-07-26 09:33:27
482.   Gagne55
The last two years, Blake has performed significantly worse in the second half. I'm always weary of aquiring a guy who is in the middle of his highest OPS+ season of his career as those players tend to play below their career averages in the second half.
2008-07-26 09:33:27
483.   Ken Noe
481 We will RUE the day we traded Santana!!! (Dibs). ;-)
2008-07-26 09:33:50
484.   Tripon
I'm okay with this trade. Unless you think Martin's is not going to catch with the Dodgers over the next two years, Santana was going to be blocked for a long while. And Meloan was going to be a reliever in the big leagues, something that the Dodgers farm system has proven it can produce on a regular basis.
2008-07-26 09:34:18
485.   Howard Fox
481 I look forward to that immensely
2008-07-26 09:34:40
486.   regfairfield
Would Meloan be a solid setup man for the Dodgers right now if we hadn't moved him to the rotation? The world may never know.
2008-07-26 09:35:03
487.   Ken Noe
I wonder if what I wrote in 443 was just hot air, or if LA backed away from trading LaRoche? There was some fire under that smoke.
2008-07-26 09:35:28
488.   Howard Fox
484 they could put Martin at 3B and Santana at C....
2008-07-26 09:37:27
489.   Lexinthedena
484 If Santana continues to be an offensive force, a team like the Dodgers would have found a position for him, or moved Russ to an infield position. Cleveland tends not to re-sign players like Victor Martinez, so they found a similar talent for....Casey Blake!?

I don't like this move at all.

2008-07-26 09:38:05
490.   Ken Noe
At least Rosenthal was scooped by ESPN:
2008-07-26 09:38:15
491.   whodat807
Great trade! Blake starts in left and both Pierre and Jones go to the bench, while providing capable back-up to the developing LaRoche --

Oh wait, he's going to start at third. Oh well.

2008-07-26 09:39:08
492.   Howard Fox
let's see, Santana C, Loney 1B, LaRoche 2B, Martin 3B, Young-Kemp-Ethier OF, just need a SS....

so why are we making a trade again?

2008-07-26 09:39:37
493.   Icaros
If Santana continued to mash, he would not have been blocked. Period. Stupid move. Again.
2008-07-26 09:40:07
494.   regfairfield
Comparing Carlos Santana to Victor Martinez might be taking things a bit too far. He's having a great year but he hasn't even reach AA yet.
2008-07-26 09:40:08
495.   Tripon
488 Martin would have been an average 3rd baseman, at catcher, the worst is that he's an above average catcher. You'd only move Martin from the catching spot if you truly think his knees are shot.
2008-07-26 09:40:16
496.   Howard Fox
491 they will play blake, pierre and jones in the outfield
2008-07-26 09:41:05
497.   Ken Noe
491 Winning the West means getting Ethier and Kemp in the lineup everyday. They key is how Torre sees this: (a) I have a little extra punch now so I don't need to play Jones, or (b) I have a little extra punch now so I can get away with playing Jones.
2008-07-26 09:41:37
498.   underdog
483 That's funnier if you say it in the voice of Plankton from Spongebob Squarepants.

Er, not that I ever watch that show. I've heard. Some kid told me.

As I said before, I think Blake would help our bench immensely, but don't see what he brings to the table at 3rd other than PVL. Still, at least he won't block LaRoche next year. I think.

2008-07-26 09:41:45
499.   Icaros

The possibility exists that Santana could move to another position. I believe he's a converted catcher, anyway.

2008-07-26 09:42:12
500.   Howard Fox
497 whichever way Torre sees it will be the wrong way, rest assured
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2008-07-26 09:42:32
501.   underdog
Santana is also probably two years away at least. I'd rather trade them Lucas May, personally, though.

I'll go on record as saying I don't mind trading Meloan.

2008-07-26 09:42:37
502.   CanuckDodger
I'll expand on the "not mortgaging the future" point above. I haven't been able to see Meloan fitting into our plans for a while. He's not a reliever anymore, and even if he still was one, Cory Wade and Ramon Troncoso seem to have passed him by. As a starter, he's walking too many guys in Triple A and is lower on the starting pitching prospect totem pole than Kershaw, Elbert and McDonald. So he was definitely trade bait.

Santana is a catching prospect in an organization that has Russell Martin and probably will have Martin for another 10 years. I would have let Santana stay a Dodger for another two years and see what the situation is with Martin when Santana is in Triple A and has more trade value than a Single A player, but I was basically resigned to him being traded at SOME point.

By getting a rental player like Blake, the Dodgers are getting a guy like Lugo a couple years back: he can be let go and net us two draft picks next year. With those picks we might get two guys who DO become Dodgers eventually. Thus the Dodgers can rationalize what they are doing by saying that in addition to getting Blake's services for the pennant drive, they will get two potential future Dodgers for two prospects for whom they saw no big league future (at least in a Dodger uniform) because they are blocked.

2008-07-26 09:43:44
503.   D4P
See if you can identify the stat that caught Ned's eye:

Blake, who can be a free agent after this season, was batting .289 for the Indians, with 11 homers, 58 RBIs and a .398 AVERAGE WITH RUNNERS IN SCORING POSITION.

2008-07-26 09:43:52
504.   68elcamino427
Blake will be 35 years old on August 23rd.

His offensive numbers for the season are very similar to Ethier's. Blake has a higher OPS at 119.

Is this the best that can be had for Santana?

Just reminds me a little of Jackson and Navarro.

Is this the move that's going to take the Dodgers into the WS this year? Get real!

Cripes - Just let LaRoche play now instead!

2008-07-26 09:43:54
505.   Alex41592
Santana goes to a team with Russell Martin to a team that will have Victor Martinez.

Santana will probably end up with the Mets and that's when our suffering will begin.

The deal, if it happens, is just ok. We should have held out for more if Santana was a part of the deal. Think of it from the standpoint of Martin never being removed from the catcher's position. I would have preferred more value than JUST Casey Blake but Santana was always trade bait. Then again the deal isn't final so maybe there is more to it. We'll see.

2008-07-26 09:44:28
506.   Ken Noe
By the way, to really understand what I suspect happened, check out Toy Cannon's "fiction" at True Blue:
2008-07-26 09:44:33
507.   bhsportsguy
Look, if this deal is true, than what have the Dodgers dealt away, right now, at best a a 24 year old middle reliever and a 22 year old converted catching prospect who, prior to this season, had 18 home runs in over 800 PA but is currently having the season of his life however that is taking place in a league known for high numbers.

Middle relievers are found in lots of places and the Dodgers already have been successful with Cory Wade's promotion and Ramon Troncoso seems to be doing better during his second go around.

For every prospect with a potential of Carlos Santana, there are the Andy Martes, Joel Guzmans, and Jose Tabatas, players whose stocks drop like a rock.

Will that happen to Carlos, well my question is do you think that this year is a breakout for him (career .764 OPS prior to this season) or are the Dodgers selling him high?

2008-07-26 09:45:10
508.   regfairfield
498 He brings mediocrity. Decent bat and a below average glove. Ned's really risk adverse so he'd prefer known mediocrity of someone that could potentially be bad.
2008-07-26 09:47:00
509.   regfairfield
502 Is there a reason why we didn't have Meloan go back to being a lights out reliever instead of a middling starter?
2008-07-26 09:47:43
510.   Tripon
I'm surprised people are advocating moving Martin out of the catcher's spot for Santana. The guy already has two all-star appearances at catcher. Martin's going to catch for the next ten years in this league. We can't fit everybody we like on the major league roster. While having Santana would be cool, eventually either Martin or Santana would have to be gone due to the high value decent catching prospects /players have in this climate at the moment.

I just prefer having Martin for the next ten years over Santana. Er, that is if the Dodgers don't trade him in his walk year to Florida who then ship him to the Mets a couple of weeks after like they did with LoDuca and Mike Piazza. That's not going to happen right? Right?

2008-07-26 09:47:59
511.   madmac
498 tarter sauce!
2008-07-26 09:48:46
512.   underdog
502 I agree with and defer with Canuck above. Is that true that they'd get 2 draft picks for Blake?? If so, that sways me more in the deal's favor.
2008-07-26 09:50:32
513.   Alex41592
There may also be a domino effect in place here. Blake's acquisition could mean a bigger deal involving LaRoche is on the way.
2008-07-26 09:50:52
514.   regfairfield
512 He's on the border right now. Do you really want to risk having to give Casey Blake nine million next year though?
2008-07-26 09:51:05
515.   Bob Timmermann
Lo Duca wasn't quickly flipped to the Mets by Florida. He played the whole 2005 season for Florida.
2008-07-26 09:51:36
516.   Ken Noe
Tony Jackson can't get official confirmation, but says that Cleveland's sending enough cash to pay Blake the rest of the year.
2008-07-26 09:51:46
517.   Tripon
512 Casey Blake's a Type B FA right now, he might be a Type A if he keeps on playing like he is.
2008-07-26 09:52:21
518.   Icaros

That doesn't justify dropping the catcher you don't want for two months of next to nothing.

2008-07-26 09:53:21
519.   bhsportsguy
512 I see that less likely because than the Dodgers may have to play "chicken" by offering him arbitration since I don't see a team who would risk losing a first round pick signing him until after the arbitration offer period closes.

Instead, if he is a Type B free agent, where the team does not lose any picks but the team that loses him gets a compensation pick, than that could happen.

But, he is at least a player who will get a compensation pick.

2008-07-26 09:53:22
520.   Ken Noe
513 FWIW, Jackson says LaRoche or DeWittt to...Vegas.
2008-07-26 09:53:36
521.   Alex41592
Portion of Tony Jackson's post:

"He is having an OUTSTANDING season at Single-A Inland Empire, but with Russell Martin a fixture in the majors and Lucas May a year ahead of Santana, Santana became expendable.

Blake will become the Dodgers' everyday 3B. Not sure what this means for Andy LaRoche and Blake DeWitt, other than one of them is probably headed to Las Vegas."

2008-07-26 09:54:43
522.   regfairfield
519 But if offering him arbitration makes him unsignable, wouldn't he take the arbitration offer?
2008-07-26 09:56:38
523.   ToyCannon
Everyone complains that Ned never trades someone at the top of their value. Will he just did.

Carlos Santana has been a favorite of mine for several years and I had him ranked higher then anyone else this winter when we ranked the prospects but the fact is he entered this season as not even a top 20 prospect. He's having a great season in the CAL league but that followed a miserable showing in the Midwest league. His ascension into the major leagues is not written in stone and he will have plenty of hurdles. I had no more use for Meloan and expected him to get dealt for something.

Casey Blake is a very underrated player who has plenty of value. Is he any better then LaRoche if they gave LaRoche playing time? I don't know but I have no problem with Casey Blake being the starting 3rd baseman for the rest of year.

Curious to see if they now deal LaRoche for something else.

2008-07-26 09:57:23
524.   D4P
Blake: bats right-handed
LaRoche: bats right-handed
DeWitt: bats left-handed

Not too tough to figure out which one is headed to AAA.

2008-07-26 09:57:42
525.   regfairfield
Offense Plus Defense scores for Blake and DeWitt

Blake: 1.7 runs above average
Dewitt: 2.1 runs below average

Blake's glove torpedos most of the offensive advantage he gains over our non hitting third basemen. If either of them start to hit even little, they're better players than Casey Blake.

2008-07-26 09:58:09
526.   Dodger Dawg
The thing about Pierre batting lead off IMO is because in Torres head JP looks like what he remembers a lead off hitter to look like. It doesn't matter that he has a lousy OBP or that as a left fielder he has no power, which goes against every logic in baseball, or even that he can't throw. Torre and Bowa remember that when they played, guys like Ozzie Smith ,Maury Wills etc. were leading off, and that's the way it has to be. Whether it makes sense or not is not important, they're living in the past, and as long as they're in charge Dodger fans will have to live with it, unfortunately.
2008-07-26 09:58:35
527.   D4P
Not too tough to figure out which one is headed to AAA

Or to Oakland.

2008-07-26 10:00:26
528.   regfairfield
More interesting: Blake's actually pretty good at stopping balls going down the line but is absolutely terrible at balls to his left. (-13 on those last year, -5 this year). Anything hit between Nomar and Blake is getting through. Lowe and Kuroda hate this trade.
2008-07-26 10:00:27
529.   Ken Noe
Barring Tex to the Snakes--and if they'll finally sit Jones--this deal wins the West. Beyond that, who knows, but I don't see it as that kind of difference maker. In the meantime, I hope May is working on his receiving skills. Big thing for me, if LA is done, is that we kept the core.
2008-07-26 10:00:31
530.   Alex41592
This is not just Ned. But, also Ng, White, scouts etc. So, the credit/blame goes to them all.
2008-07-26 10:01:31
531.   Icaros

I actually prefer Andy being the one to go down in this scenario. He can get his value back up playing everyday and hopefully destroying Vegas.

In LA, when he doesn't start, I have to read idiots pointing to his one pinch-hit appearance a night say, "LaRoche doesn't do anything when he gets the chance."

2008-07-26 10:02:26
532.   Icaros

No, it doesn't.

2008-07-26 10:03:44
533.   Tripon
The deal is complete.

The Indians and Dodgers have completed a trade that will send third baseman/outfielder Casey Blake and cash to the Dodgers for two minor leaguers, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.

2008-07-26 10:04:03
534.   Alex41592
532 - So, if it fails we'll destroy Ned some more? That'
2008-07-26 10:05:16
535.   kinbote
No comment
2008-07-26 10:05:31
536.   Icaros

It has already failed to me. Why should the same old garbage be anything new? Nothing has changed.

2008-07-26 10:06:05
537.   ToyCannon
Looks like Ned won the boardroom fight this time.
2008-07-26 10:06:18
538.   BiggO
No Ned is the GM he gets ALL the credit/blame
2008-07-26 10:06:40
539.   D4P
Rotoworld's take:

A nice return for the Indians. Meloan has been a starter in Triple-A this year, but he projects as a setup man or maybe a closer, and Santana has turned into a very intriguing prospect since becoming a catcher. Blake has had a nice season, but he's a below average defensive third baseman with a history of fading down the stretch and struggling in big situations. The Dodgers may not be helping themselves at all by playing him over Andy LaRoche and Blake DeWitt at third base. They may now choose to move LaRoche in a separate deal. The Indians figure to turn to Andy Marte at third base for the rest of the season

2008-07-26 10:07:07
540.   Tripon
503 There's only one reason why Ned made this trade.

"Casey Blake is a gamer," General Manager Ned Colletti said in a statement.

2008-07-26 10:07:13
541.   MC Safety
Andy is never going to get a shot with the Dodgers.
2008-07-26 10:08:02
542.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Meloan < Street?
2008-07-26 10:08:11
543.   Dodger Dawg
A typical Ned deal. I guess now we can go to the World Series. Nothing against Blake, but we need a difference maker not another utility guy. Lugo all over again.
2008-07-26 10:08:46
544.   bhsportsguy
518 He's not next to nothing and he is more likely to provide a lot more offense than either DeWitt or LaRoche right now.

Casey Blake is tied for 7th in 3B VORP at 19.9 with Aramis Ramirez and Carlos Guillen.

Blake DeWitt's current VORP is 0.3 and certainly you cannot hold LaRoche's VORP of -0.7 against him, I think it is safe to say that any production close to what Casey Blake has been doing will be an improvement at 3B.

2008-07-26 10:09:13
545.   Alex41592
Well, we'll know in time whether this ranks between 2006 Julio Lugo and 2006 Marlon Anderson.
2008-07-26 10:10:00
546.   Greg Brock
"Casey Blake is a gamer," Dodgers GM Ned Colletti said. "His experience and character will be a plus as we head down the stretch in the final two months of the regular season."

I don't mind the deal, but good golly.

2008-07-26 10:10:16
547.   MC Safety
541 Oh, and Ned Coletti is a stupid idiot.
2008-07-26 10:10:53
548.   Bob Hendley
What has Ch-i wrought? Signing in from the coast of Oaxaca, I see that my beloved Pee Wee is DL, Ned has given up on Andy, JP is back, Andre is on the bench and Dru is still in the line-up. I am consoled by the fresh papaya.
2008-07-26 10:11:33
549.   Neal Pollack
Come on, folks. This deal is OK. We traded a single-A catching prospect and, at best, a long man out of the bullpen for a decent-hitting 3B. I want to see LaRoche blossom, too, but the team's real problem isn't this deal, it's Torre's intransigence when it comes to playing Jones and leading off Pierre. That will be the team's tragic downfall, if there is one.
2008-07-26 10:12:09
550.   Alex41592
Blake is on a plane and on his way here for the game tonight according to Rawitch.
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2008-07-26 10:12:09
551.   Bob Timmermann
I guess now we can go to the World Series.

As I see it, if you buy a plane ticket to New York, you can easily get to Boston or Tampa Bay if you have to. Or else you can just hang around New York.

The tickets will cost a lot though.

2008-07-26 10:13:05
552.   regfairfield
544 He's a first half hitter and his glove is terrible. I'm really not sure if a non hitting DeWitt or LaRoche is a worse option.
2008-07-26 10:13:08
553.   Icaros

I am confident that with as much regular playing time as Blake has gotten, LaRoche would be putting up at least the same numbers. Blake is not going to make much difference going forward. He has been playing over his head thus far this season.


It doesn't matter what happens. When you push aside your top 3B prospect since Beltre without giving him a chance for a career mediocrity like Blake, you have already lost.

2008-07-26 10:14:39
554.   Bob Timmermann
We're going to have to agree to call DeWitt by his surname or nickname from now on or else we will all be getting confused.

Just like when Mike Sweeney gets activated.

2008-07-26 10:15:01
555.   Sam NYC
Blake stinks. Take it from Indians fans:

Reading that sight is like reading this sight, only with "Casey Blake" substituted for "Juan Pierre."

2008-07-26 10:15:12
556.   larry slimfast
ASCII representation of Ned Colletti deals - ))((
2008-07-26 10:15:25
557.   silverwidow
Have you guys seen Tony Jackson's post on the proposed CC Sabathia deal?

Again, this is a scaled-down version of the eight-player deal the clubs never consummated earlier this month. That one was CC Sabathia, Casey Blake and Jamey Carroll for (I believe) Santana, Matt Kemp, James McDonald, Cory Wade and Andy LaRoche.


2008-07-26 10:15:40
558.   The Trolley Dodger
Never mind all that. The truly important issue is what number Casey Blake will wear -- #1 is retired.
2008-07-26 10:16:02
559.   overkill94
It says something to me that Santana didn't even make Rotoworld's mid-season top-150 prospects list. It was great that he was tearing up A ball, but it was hard for me to get truly excited if the scouts didn't back up the stats.

Blake's a pretty good player and already has as many homers as anyone on the Dodgers. I can almost guarantee the Dodgers will offer him arbitration because you would have to assume someone will give him a multi-year deal and he'll decline our offer. Let's just hope he keeps up his solid playing and gets us two picks instead of one.

2008-07-26 10:16:28
560.   Alex41592
Casey Blake is OPSing 1.007 in July. He was awful in April and May.
2008-07-26 10:18:04
561.   Bob Timmermann
I remember some very loud Cleveland fans cheering on Blake this way.

"Casey, we love you!"
"Yes, Casey, we love you! You're #1!"
"We mean that literally!"

2008-07-26 10:18:28
562.   D4P
Casey Blake has been a much better hitter on the road than at home.

That is all.

2008-07-26 10:18:45
563.   Jon Weisman
Analysis-free NPUT
2008-07-26 10:19:12
564.   sporky
554 Ideally, we wouldn't have that problem since DeWitt would be in Las Vegas.
2008-07-26 10:19:32
565.   overkill94
553 How is he playing over his head? He put up almost the exact same stats two years ago and he's only 48 points over his career OPS.

Plus, he's not as much of a 1st half player as some of you are letting on. His pre/post-AS break OPS is .801/.757 for his career which is hardly a LoDuca-like breakdown.

2008-07-26 10:19:44
566.   CanuckDodger
I just visited an Indians fans' message board. To say they like the deal would be a serious understatement. "Amazing" is the word one of the Indians' fans used, and he could have been speaking for everybody. Nobody has a bad thing to say about the trade.
2008-07-26 10:20:08
567.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Blake is a gamer? I wonder if he plays XBOX or PS3?
2008-07-26 10:23:56
568.   Icaros

I classify 48 points over career OPS as over his head. I just want LaRoche to play and think this is a waste of time and prospects.

2008-07-26 10:25:07
569.   larry slimfast
556 dang, that was gonna be funny. supposed to be "))><((" with the greater/less than signs reversed like in Me and You and Everyone We Know
2008-07-26 10:32:41
570.   Harold M Johnson
This is not a bad trade. It puts the Dodgers in a better spot for this season, and as a season ticket holder who pays a lot of money, at least my remaining games are hopefully not going to be worthless. Blake should play most of the rest of the games either at 3B or LF or RF, the only danger is that Kemp and Ethier don't play with him in the OF :)
2008-07-26 10:36:21
571.   Harold M Johnson
I don't think there's a trade the Dodgers can make which will put them in WS contention.

At least now they have a better lineup for this season, to keep things interesting for us fans.

Next year is LaRoche's year at 3B, you'll see. I'm really glad they didn't trade him.

2008-07-26 10:48:53
572.   GoBears
If Casey Blake is just a rental, then I see this trade as merely pointless. I too believe that LaRoche could have put up the same numbers with better defense, but waiting for LaRoche to do so next year is something I can live with.

Of course, don't be surprised if Blake turns out not to be just a rental. Nomar, Sweeney, Ramon Martinez...not all were acquired in mid-season trades, but all were re-signed after they'd proved their worthlessness, and after it was clear that there were better options in the minors. Blake is a "gamer." I think Torre has even more of a PVL fetish than Colletti has.

Still and all, let's say Blake puts up the same numbers as LaRoche would have, or even a little better. That doesn't change the outfield situation. If Pierre and Jones continue to start all or most games, it doesn't matter who plays 3b.

One way that this COULD improve the team would be if Blake would replace Pierre in LF, and play alongside Ethier and Kemp. LaRoche could then man 3b.

And monkeys would fly out of you know where.

Our IF defense is going to be horrible. Kent, Nomar, and Blake? Yikes. They're taking money out of Derek Lowe's wallet - his ERA could jump by a run per game. All those late-inning defensive replacements don't help the starting pitchers.

2008-07-26 11:50:07
573.   Harold M Johnson
Just wanted to say that GoBears' comments, while contradicting my own, are awesome.

Blake, Ethier, and Kemp in the OF is actually great. Then we can afford LaRoche at 3B.

Bigger question for next year, who's the 2b?

2008-07-26 13:48:23
574.   Andrew Shimmin
I'd eat a flying monkey, too. But I'd wash it very carefully, first.

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