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2008-08-18 09:38
by Jon Weisman

Nuts - somehow I missed one right in the wheelhouse. Josh Rawitch of the Dodgers reminded me this morning that the Dodgers had leadoff and walkoff homers on August 29, 2006: Rafael Furcal in the first inning and Ramon Martinez in the 16th.

I still believe that my note about the Dodgers homering on their first and last pitch for the first time in Los Angeles holds up.

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2008-08-18 09:42:02
1.   D4P
Picnic photo question:

Does Shimmin have pens in his shirt breast pocket...?

2008-08-18 09:46:18
2.   El Lay Dave
1 I think he did. That (and the pleats) appear clearer in this photo:
2008-08-18 09:49:03
3.   Indiana Jon
It looks like Elbert has pitched very well the last few weeks in relief at Jacksonville. What are the chances he gets a call up on Spetember 1st?

Also, Lindblom has looked very good, with unbelievable control at Great Lakes. Is he as good as he has looked and from you smart prospect guys, how does he project?

2008-08-18 09:49:56
4.   D4P
That's the photo I was looking at.

Pretty edgy stuff.

2008-08-18 09:52:51
5.   Bob Timmermann
I can picture Jon reading the message and saying, "Rawitch..." in a Seinfeldian voice about Newman
2008-08-18 09:52:55
6.   Eric Stephen
Shimmin did indeed have two pens. I believe one was only for fending off would-be attackers, however.
2008-08-18 09:54:32
7.   El Lay Dave
6 The other was for popping beach balls.
2008-08-18 09:55:19
8.   Eric Stephen
GoBears, I have never been to Juanitas in Encinitas, but I will make a point to go there perhaps this week. Thanks!

On a related note, my sister in law has a simple recipe for carnitas that involves putting a pork roast in a slow cooker with a can of Herdez green salsa for about 8 hours or so, then just pulling apart the meat when it's done. It's always delicious.

2008-08-18 09:55:22
9.   Paul Scott
Hmm. Somehow I am on my blackberry in every shot in which I appear. Well, my wife will find it fitting at least.
2008-08-18 09:56:01
10.   regfairfield
1 I like that you think I was wearing Adidas, it gives me hope I can keep some anonymity.

Belated thanks to everyone for organizing the picnic. I'll try not to fall apart at whiffle next time.

2008-08-18 09:59:03
11.   xaphor
Andrew does have a spiffy Karman-Ghia coupe and you can't get much edgier* than that.

*I'm suprised to find this is indeed a real word.

2008-08-18 10:00:56
12.   D4P
Oh, I guess that wasn't you. I'll have to keep looking.
2008-08-18 10:04:59
13.   Bob Timmermann
ToyCannon did remark on the lack of plate discipline showed by the whiffle ball hitters.
2008-08-18 10:10:51
14.   bhsportsguy
And certain DTers might not have good defensive +/- stats.

And thanks to Eric Stephen, xaphor and Bluebleeder for joining me in the early morning.

2008-08-18 10:11:14
15.   Icaros
Shimmin looks like a pretty big guy in that photo. Maybe he can be Fedor's next opponent.

My weight class is the same as B.J. Penn.

2008-08-18 10:15:07
16.   Jon Weisman
I just want to say that I held three sets of "let's have everyone introduce themselves" and still I failed to meet quite a few people, it appears.

Next year, we're gonna do six rounds of intros, or wear the dreaded nametags.

2008-08-18 10:16:14
17.   xaphor
My BABIP was horrible, three line drives all caught. On the plus side my defensive range should be through the roof as I was covering both 3rd and left field for a stretch.
2008-08-18 10:28:50
18.   Eric Stephen
From the "comments are funny/sad on other sites department," here is a comment from Awful Announcing's mention of Kent saying Vin Scully talks too much:

Vin Scully should've received a lifetime ban after his blatant, unprofessional cheerleading for the Mets during his broadcast of the 1986 World Series.

2008-08-18 10:30:28
19.   mintxcore

I would like to remind everyone that I took two walks during the fast pitch game, each with a full count! I made Bluebleeder throw those pitches!

2008-08-18 10:34:56
20.   Jon Weisman
18 - Vin Scully, Mets Cheerleader.

Yep, I'd say that's the strangest thing I'll write all day.

2008-08-18 10:37:21
21.   GoBears
8 Yeah, my wife makes a pretty mean batch of carnitas herself, but it takes all day. She's looking for the occasional instant gratification (having wasted someone else's whole day).

Any locals have suggestions on taquerias that make great carnitas around here? Thanks much!

2008-08-18 10:38:53
22.   ToyCannon
I had no idea you were at the picnic. Did you arrive during the game and I missed you or did I just whiff when introduced.

Special kudos to Rob's wife for joining the fast pitch game.

The next step has to be a softball picnic where all the other bloggers play the DT faithfull. Maybe we can get the K Brothers to show up, they look like bruisers.

2008-08-18 10:41:53
23.   Jacob Burch
14 yeah, that'd be me. At least ibwas Byrnsian in my dives!

Also has a terrible babip, Karim was responsible for at least 3 hits being stolen.

We really should do a softball game soon, that was too fun.

2008-08-18 10:42:22
24.   ToyCannon
When we lived in North Hollywood we were partial to a place called "Speedy's" on Lankershim between Sherman Way and Saticoy. They set up shop outside at night and the carnitas were excellent.
2008-08-18 10:48:15
25.   kngoworld
For those scoring at home can anyone give a rough guesstimate of how many people attended the picnic?
2008-08-18 10:50:39
26.   bhsportsguy
9 I'm not sure I met you either but glad you were there.

Then again, Greg Brcok snuck in and avoided the group introductions so his low profile can be maintained.

2008-08-18 10:52:33
27.   bhsportsguy
25 This is just a rough guess but at the height of the festivites 30-35, counting the Weisman family and Jacob's kids.
2008-08-18 10:55:11
28.   Bob Timmermann
In just about every World Series, fans of both teams accuse the play-by-play announcers of favoring the team they aren't rooting for.

That is what happens when you listen with your heart instead of your ears.

2008-08-18 10:59:40
29.   El Lay Dave
16 Nametags at Dodger Stadium last year would have been awful, but maybe they wouldn't be so bad at a picnic+++. A nametag would have prevented me from suffering the embarrassment of introducing myself to xaphor TWICE.

+++ "Hello, My Name Is" would NOT be permitted.

2008-08-18 11:00:46
30.   caseybarker
That game was fun, and it was the first one I went to in 2006.
2008-08-18 11:03:11
31.   Eric Stephen
I did like how Jon's wife and kids all sported Dodger Thoughts shirts. Actually, the youngest didn't wear one. I think it's clear next year's batch of DT wear should include onesies. :)
2008-08-18 11:03:41
32.   ToyCannon
How fast was Jesse Owens and Bob Hayes? Just curious if the other gender is coming close to approaching what the fastest times for men were 40-60 years ago.
2008-08-18 11:04:38
33.   El Lay Dave
13 KG16 would have appreciated that we were not trying to walk.
2008-08-18 11:05:44
34.   Bob Timmermann
There was also nothing better than watching Eric, Andrew, and I starting at Jon's crying son and trying to forumlate a plan on how to get him to stop.

I will say that none of our plans were viable as all of us lacked the necessities to give him what he really wanted.

2008-08-18 11:07:19
35.   El Lay Dave
32 Bob Hayes' gold medal in the '64 Olympics was for a 10.0 time in the 100 meters.
2008-08-18 11:10:45
36.   bhsportsguy
35 Jesse Owens time in 1936 was 10.3 seconds.
2008-08-18 11:16:06
37.   Bob Timmermann
Bolt ran 23 mph during his 100m win. He might have been close to 30 mph at his peak speed.
2008-08-18 11:17:21
38.   Bob Timmermann
Hayes and Owens were hand timed, so they likely ran a little slower than listed. They didn't use electronic timing for the Olympics until 1968.
2008-08-18 11:18:54
39.   Jon Weisman
34 - I liked how politely Andrew came over and pointed out our abandonment of said child.
2008-08-18 11:20:24
40.   ToyCannon
I'm only now figuring how who people were by the comments they are making and placing them with the actions. My hearing sucks and my attention span is even worse. I think the longer you are married the worse both of these things will get.

If I had to match the person with the name I'd have lost on both of the Andrew's. With Andrew Shimmins acerbic take on life I'd have expected someone with a harder edge and not such a friendly face. The other Andrew just looks so young for a guy who works so long and hard.

2008-08-18 11:22:22
41.   ToyCannon
Andruw Jones might have been able to help out but our brains would be forever traumatized.
2008-08-18 11:22:46
42.   Bluebleeder87
A lot of the regulars Could not make it this year but hopefully next time... & like some have mentioned maybe we can play a softball game next time.

Who knows maybe we can start a team, most of the guys playing had game!

2008-08-18 11:24:36
43.   ToyCannon
Would you rather have Larry Bowa or Mickey Hatcher coaching the team?
2008-08-18 11:30:16
44.   Tripon
Would Eric Stults make a better reliever?
2008-08-18 11:31:51
45.   Marty
My favorite carnitas at the moment is at Carnitas Michoacan on North Broadway in Lincoln Heights. But I understand Taqueria Sanchez in Culver City does nice carnitas.
2008-08-18 11:39:09
46.   mintxcore
My favorite carnitas was at Sabor A Mexico in Culver City. Alas, it has moved recently and I haven't been since.

Tacomiendo is amazing all around, but I've only had their carnitas mixed with their carne asada, so I can't give a full report...

2008-08-18 11:39:54
47.   Linkmeister
From my morning sports pages, another example of Great Moments in Headline Writing:

"Dodgers gain share of AL West lead with win"

2008-08-18 11:53:34
48.   Jon Weisman
Responding to Trainwreck in the last thread (181).

I just got the first two episodes of the upcoming season of Entourage today, and my immediate reaction was excitment in realizing that I would someday get Flight of the Conchords season-two episodes on the early side.

2008-08-18 12:02:27
49.   Paul Scott
22 Yeah. I arrived late. The first whiffle-ball game started about 10 minutes after I arrived. Hopefully next year I'll be on time. :)
2008-08-18 12:14:46
50.   JJ42
I am glad to have been at the picnic to meet abunch of the other DT posters! The softball game was friendly, yet competitive, especially the second game. We eventually mastered how to play that tree. I enjoyed playing SS/3B, though I played in fear of falling into one of the holes and destroying my ankle. Hope everyone enjoyed the pictures - I was remarking how many folks did not look anything close to what I imagined them.
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2008-08-18 12:14:58
51.   Bob Timmermann
In Boston or St. Louis, you would have showed up on time for the whiffle ball game.

And you wouldn't have left early either.

And you would be a much better human being to boot. And far less shallow.

2008-08-18 12:23:00
52.   Bob Timmermann
Gary Cohen and Keith Hernandez do not like Andy LaRoche's defense at third. Hernandez called him "defensively challenged."
2008-08-18 12:29:21
53.   Johnny Nucleo
Didn't it switch over from 100 yards to 100 meters at some point? 100 meters would be 28 feet longer.
2008-08-18 12:32:47
54.   regfairfield
53 It was 110 yards.
2008-08-18 12:35:23
55.   natepurcell
Lindblom is doing better then how Adkins and Sexton did last year in Low A.

Since Adkins and Sexton are not doing so hot this year, we can still be a bit optimistic about Lindblom. I also think his scouting profies projects better overall stuff for Lindblom, depending on whether he can maintain it over the whole game.

2008-08-18 12:40:09
56.   natepurcell
So what are some of the best ERA+'s for 20 year olds with a minimum of 75 IP?

Claytons at 123 ERA+ right now with 72.2IP...

2008-08-18 12:41:03
57.   Dodgers49
Hot-hitting DeJesus hoping for call-up

>> DeJesus has been the Suns' hottest hitter in August. In his last 11 games, he has 16 hits in 42 at-bats (.381) and leads the team in runs (11), RBI (7), home runs (2) and hits during that time. The surge has hiked DeJesus' batting average to .310, ranking him among the league's top 15 hitters. <<

## DeJesus has adjusted his batting stance slightly and moved closer to the plate, enabling him to drive more balls into left field, including the single and double he had in Saturday's game. ##

2008-08-18 12:46:53
58.   natepurcell


Dejesus post all star break:

317/392/490 11XBHs 104ABs

If the stance is actually aiding him in hitting the ball with more authority, it looks like we can get a little bit excited about him.

2008-08-18 12:49:17
59.   natepurcell
And just checked in on Santana and....he is still mashing. I wonder why the Indians haven't promoted him to AA already?
2008-08-18 12:50:05
60.   trainwreck
I am going to have to hold off watching them early on the internet.
2008-08-18 12:51:39
61.   Dodgers49
51s drop back to .500 with fifth straight loss

>> Not even reinforcements from their parent club Saturday night could prevent the 51s from skidding back to .500.

Dodgers outfielders Andruw Jones and Delwyn Young, serving injury-rehabilitation stints, combined to go 0-for-5, and Las Vegas' late rally fell short in its 5-4 Pacific Coast League loss to the Fresno Grizzlies in Fresno, Calif. <<

## Luis Maza led off the fourth with the 51s' first hit, a triple, and scored when Jones, on the 15-day disabled list with a sore left knee, grounded into a double play. ##

2008-08-18 12:57:04
62.   D4P
Knees don't generally like having to support an additional 30ish pounds of fat.
2008-08-18 13:03:53
63.   Dodgers49
Grizzlies HRs push 51s' skid to six in row

>> McDonald was chased during a three-run fourth inning that put Fresno ahead for good. He allowed an RBI single to Clay Timpner and a bases-loaded walk to John Bowker before Felix came in. <<

2008-08-18 13:08:25
64.   bhsportsguy
I'm surprised Jon didn't link to this after yesterday's win.

2008-08-18 13:12:13
65.   Jon Weisman
Unlike Tony Jackson, Dodger Thoughts is anti-Journey, and particularly anti-Journey at Dodger Stadium.

It was fine in the Sopranos finale. That's it.

Old sitcoms will do me just fine :)

2008-08-18 13:15:12
66.   Eric Stephen
I thought my views would be faithfully welcomed with open arms, but I guess when the lights go down in the city, we'll have to go our separate ways!

[angrily slams door, only to find out it had one of those air things that prevent slamming]

2008-08-18 13:18:47
67.   Tripon
Play some Ramones.
2008-08-18 13:20:08
68.   bhsportsguy
65 At least he didn't delete my post though I am sure the thought crossed his mind.
2008-08-18 13:22:40
69.   Disabled List
65 Thank you, Jon, for once again restoring some sanity to the DT comments.
2008-08-18 13:23:31
70.   trainwreck
You guys better be careful and not evoke the jinx of Steve Perry.
2008-08-18 13:28:46
71.   Tripon
The front page has the Vin Scully v. Jeff Kent saga. Its now a national story!
2008-08-18 13:30:20
72.   Marty
This Journey talk has got to stop. Now.
2008-08-18 13:31:38
73.   trainwreck
Time to move onto Styx.

Iii'm saaaiilliiiiing awaaaay

2008-08-18 13:32:56
74.   Jon Weisman
71 - The nuance to that entire story is that in some ways, both Vin and Jeff are right.
2008-08-18 13:33:47
75.   Jon Weisman
Top all-time examples of a TV show elevating a song would include:

Don't Stop Believing - The Sopranos
Come Sail Away - Freaks and Geeks

2008-08-18 13:37:31
76.   tjdub
75 - Didn't Cartman on South Park give us a fine version of Come Sail Away as well a few years ago? Maybe I'm remembering that incorrectly.
2008-08-18 13:37:58
77.   wronghanded
75 Don't forget:

Love and Marriage- Married with Children

2008-08-18 13:39:33
78.   El Lay Dave
72 On top of everything else, they are a Bay-area band. 'nuff said.
2008-08-18 13:39:45
79.   blue22
75 - South Park did a terrific job on "Carry on Wayward Son" on their Guitar Hero send-up last season.
2008-08-18 13:39:47
80.   Tripon
Fly me to the Moon - Evangelion.
2008-08-18 13:39:51
81.   trainwreck
Yep, whenever someone sang the opening to the song he had to finish the whole thing.
2008-08-18 13:43:00
82.   D4P
GOB did a nice job with Foreigner's "Cold as Ice"
2008-08-18 13:44:00
83.   Eric Stephen
Also, South Park had the "Heat of the Moment" (by Asia) episode.
2008-08-18 13:44:10
84.   scareduck
Great to meet those I did at the picnic. It was a great day for it, though the constant sirens running through the park made me wonder whether it was Wilshire and not Elysian Park.

Thanks for the tickets again, Jon. Much appreciated, and really good seats.

22 - she hangs out on a mailing list with a bunch of reprobate lesbians, so I figure the mad softball skillz transfer. :-)

2008-08-18 13:44:15
85.   trainwreck
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia did a good job with "Never Gonna Give You Up."
2008-08-18 13:45:34
86.   Eric Stephen
Without Friends, who would remember the Rembrandts?
2008-08-18 13:45:38
87.   D4P
Not to mention "The Final Countdown", of course.
2008-08-18 13:45:57
88.   trainwreck
South Park is the best at incorporating established songs into the show.
2008-08-18 13:47:20
89.   Jon Weisman
77 - You've misunderstood the concept. You're doing it in reverse.
2008-08-18 13:50:31
90.   wronghanded
89 Maybe I'm really confused (I'm not much of a 50's ballad fan) but didn't somebody like Sinatra sing that tune, or was it actually made for the show?
2008-08-18 13:51:45
91.   Eric Stephen
That hurts. You must be younger than regfairfield. :)
2008-08-18 13:52:21
92.   Tripon
85 rickrolls did a pretty good job with Never Gonna give you up.
2008-08-18 13:54:35
93.   wronghanded
91 I'm 28, but come on how many people under the age of 40 have a genuine interest in Sinatra?
2008-08-18 13:54:49
94.   still bevens
65 I don't mind Journey because Steve Perry was at the 4+1 game. Don't stop believing indeed.
2008-08-18 13:56:27
95.   trainwreck
I like the song Sinatra by Helmet (Deftones did a good cover too).

Does that count?

2008-08-18 13:58:43
96.   wronghanded
95 NIce! That is the first time I've thought about Helmet in years, sure we'll count that. :)
2008-08-18 14:02:42
97.   Linkmeister
90 , 91 Sammy Cahn rolls over in his grave.
2008-08-18 14:06:11
98.   Jim Hitchcock
Looks like you guys had a good time Saturday. As if there was any doubt.

I was so jazzed at the end of Friday's that I called Southwest Airlines and got early A.M. flight times from Reno to LAX.

And then I asked the fare.


Roundtrip or one-way, I asked, already knowing the answer.


Drat. Have to plan early next year.

2008-08-18 14:08:50
99.   wronghanded
97 See there you have it, I would have never known that Sammy Cahn wrote Love and Marriage had it not been for the show.
2008-08-18 14:15:22
100.   Zak
I realize the songs can be subjective, but for me, the first one that came to mind

Hallelujah - The West Wing

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2008-08-18 14:16:17
101.   Zak
100 That was before everybody started doing "Hallelujah" and it was in a bunch of TV shows.
2008-08-18 14:17:04
102.   Louis in SF
Read the TJ Simers story over the weekend and am surprised that Kent got so exercised about Scully's comments and of course all of the other comments going crazy about Kent in the blogosophere.

As TJ, Torre, and Andre Ethier Kemp have all said over the past few weeks a bat like Manny's helps everyone in the lineup. It is that simple. Ethier said yesterday in a radio interview, that everyone above Manny in the lineup is seeing better pitches for a whole host of reasons.
More than anything else Kent seems to be a player who needs to play with a chip on his shoulder, so if Manny, the media and Scully have made that chip bigger so much the better.

2008-08-18 14:19:05
103.   Zak
93 I'm 31 and like Sinatra. I also like Dean Martin, Buddy Holly and Fats Domino from that era, although I am more partial to the 60s as my favorite music decade.
2008-08-18 14:26:07
104.   trainwreck
"Chanson D'Amour" on Are You Being Served? is another really good example of a show elevating a song.
2008-08-18 14:26:31
105.   Jon Weisman
102 - I do feel the Manny influence can be overstated, which is why I feel a little bad for Kent even though ... he's Kent.

Kent was a streak hitter long before Manny arrived. Let's see if the effect lasts longer than two weeks before we make definite pronouncements on it.

It's like Kent said - who's responsible for making Manny a .400 hitter? The answer might be nothing more than the baseball gods.

2008-08-18 14:30:12
106.   wronghanded
103 Don't get me wrong I'm sure that some younger people dig Sinatra but I think it's more the exception than the rule. The 60's do rock! the Stones, Beatles, Doors, Hendrix, Cream the list goes on and on.
2008-08-18 14:34:54
107.   Jon Weisman
106 - But do you need to be a Sinatra buff to recognize his voice? Pretty distinctive. It's not like I was around during that song's heyday.

Of course, I couldn't identify 10 new artists today, so I've got my own problems.

2008-08-18 14:36:13
108.   silverwidow
Nathan Eovaldi is an exciting prospect; a big, 18-year-old Texas fireballer who's dominating the GCL so far in limited appearances.
2008-08-18 14:49:59
109.   wronghanded
107 All those ballady 50's singers kind of blur my auditory recognition, it's like the industry was over saturated with them (thank you rock 'n roll). Good comparison because I couldn't name 10 current artists by listening either. Most of them have the whiny "punk/emo" voice or just scream. I need to brush up on my scream distinction to recognize any hard rock act out today.
2008-08-18 14:51:28
110.   Jon Weisman
I don't know. Sinatra doesn't blur with anyone in my mind.
2008-08-18 14:56:23
111.   wronghanded
110 I guess the best way to describe it would be like when the adults talk on the old Peanuts cartoons. I start to hear where the music is going and my ears say "oh no not one of these songs again". Anyhow Nick Swardson does a pretty good job of poking fun at older music in one of his stand-up routines, you can find it on youtube but it's definitely not SFW.
2008-08-18 14:58:04
112.   Daniel Zappala
98 I considered driving down myself. Bummed I missed out on the fun.
2008-08-18 15:01:10
113.   Physics DR
103 107 109

As I tell all my classes there has been no great music since Jim Morrison died.

However there is one question back to me that will cause you serious problems in my class. Guess what that question is?

2008-08-18 15:02:07
114.   Zak
Sinatra, Cash, Presley and Dylan are as distinct as voices can get. You may or may not like all of them, but most people, I would think, would recognize these voices. You can throw Jagger, Hendrix, Joplin and McCartney in there from that time, but I think the first four for sure.
2008-08-18 15:04:55
115.   Zak
109 Among today's acts, I think Linkin' Park and Coldplay are most recognizable to me. I guess that guy from Nickelback has a very distinct voice, but I can't stand them.
2008-08-18 15:05:24
116.   wronghanded
113 Who is Jim Morrison?
2008-08-18 15:05:30
117.   Zak
113 What about Jon Bon Jovi?
2008-08-18 15:05:35
118.   regfairfield
113 Anyone who rhymes fire with fire not once, but twice, in one chorus loses some points.
2008-08-18 15:07:37
119.   wronghanded
115 I think Coldplay fringes on U2 sometimes but Linkin Park is very distinctive.
2008-08-18 15:10:07
120.   bluespop
aloha ka kou, everybody. first time poster, love this site. you guys may be too young to remember the sex pistols, let alone sinatra, but here are the sex pistols doing a sinatra standard:
2008-08-18 15:11:19
121.   Jon Weisman
2008-08-18 15:11:55
122.   D4P
Sinatra, Cash, Presley and Dylan are as distinct as voices can get

Tracy Chapman says, "Please oh please let me differ."

2008-08-18 15:12:43
123.   ToyCannon
I don't think you will have to wait a year. I think everyone had a good time other then the double loser wiffle ball team, and it should be very easy to organize again since Bhsportsguy did most of the heavy lifting. After his 10th trip to the car to pack away everything he brought he was heard to state that he'd do this once a week because he likes being around people so much who disagree with him whenever he sides with "the man".
2008-08-18 15:16:08
124.   Zak
122 I meant more from that era and someone who is more popular than just a few good songs. I mean Macy Gray qualifies otherwise.
2008-08-18 15:16:44
125.   Physics DR

That is the question.

My answer, "Here is quarter, call your mother, and let her know things are not working out"

Actually most Physics majors see music as math.

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