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2008-09-10 12:24
by Jon Weisman

Seven games in the standings in 11 days. That's what the Dodgers have done. Wild.

Here are some other news flashes.

  • Thanks to their three runs in the ninth inning Tuesday, the Dodgers still haven't won a one-run game since Andre Ethier's game-winning, bottom-of-the-ninth hit against Philadelphia on August 13. (They're 0-4 in that span.)

  • With the Dodgers having an off day Thursday before Chad Billingsley kicks off this weekend's series in Colorado, one Dodger Thoughts commenter Silverwidow suggested the team should skip Clayton Kershaw's scheduled Saturday start, to preserve his innings and give him a stay of Mile-high-cution. I can't say I disagree.

  • There are two candidates to be this year's Colorado Rockies. Houston has won 12 of 13 and 34 of 50 to pull within four games of the National League wild-card lead. A longer shot is Toronto, which has won 10 in a row but still remains seven games out of the American League wild-card spot. Whatever happens, these two teams have given their fans an interesting September.

  • Presented in alphabetical order, here are candidates to be moved off the 40-man roster if Rafael Furcal and Takashi Saito are activated this month, either by being designated for assignment or by being placed on the 60-day disabled list?
    --Jason Johnson (by popular demand)
    --Andruw Jones (Ow – my knee!)
    --Greg Miller (7.71 ERA in Las Vegas this year)
    --Jeff Kent (if he has a setback)
    --Justin Orenduff (6.55 ERA in Las Vegas this year)
    --Pablo Ozuna (Chin-Lung Hu is playing ahead of him; Furcal would further bury him)
    --Brad Penny (if he gets activated and hurt in the same week again)
    --Mark Sweeney (Joe Torre finally notices his .167 slugging percentage)

  • Much more Fall TV Preview goodness from Variety can be found at this link.

    * * *

    Diamondbacks at Giants, 12:45 p.m.

  • Comments (447)
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    2008-09-10 12:35:24
    1.   LogikReader
    ::Ahem::, can't the Dodgers be this year's Colorado Rockies?
    2008-09-10 12:36:00
    2.   LogikReader
    ooh, I see you meant with respect to the Wild Card. That makes more sense.
    2008-09-10 12:36:11
    3.   Jon Weisman
    1 - I thought about that, but I didn't think the Dodgers were far enough back in September.
    2008-09-10 12:37:07
    4.   Brian Y
    Why isn't Jason Johnson a DFA candidate?
    2008-09-10 12:37:57
    5.   trainwreck
    Amy Gutierrez looks especially stupid today.
    2008-09-10 12:40:49
    6.   Sean P

    What's not to like about his 5.60 FIP?

    2008-09-10 12:41:39
    7.   Bob Timmermann
    I guess trainwreck doesn't follow Amy Gutierrez's blog:

    2008-09-10 12:47:43
    8.   Jon Weisman
    4 - I just don't see them DFAing someone who appears to be ahead of others in Torre's pecking order. But I suppose he could be on there.
    2008-09-10 12:47:44
    9.   old dodger fan
    0 While it's true we have not won a 1 run game since 8/13 Ethier hit a 2 run walk off in the bottom of the 9th on 8/17 but since the score was tied when he hit it, it was not a 1 run game. Same guy with the big hit though. Joe Biemel threw 1 pitch and got the win.
    2008-09-10 12:51:18
    10.   Brian Y
    8. He doesn't seem to be ahead of much more than McDonald, Proctor, and MAYBE Troncoso. That still leaves him pretty far behind if you ask me. Falkenborg was used a lot and he got DFA'd so I really don't understand Torre's use of his bullpen vs. his value in the actual player.
    2008-09-10 12:55:58
    11.   bhsportsguy
    10 Johnson would be a candidate for long relief if needed.

    Hennessey does not pitch as smooth as the cognac but he gets out of the top of the first, no score.

    2008-09-10 12:56:15
    12.   Alex41592
    D'Backs leave two. No score Bot 1 in S.F.
    2008-09-10 12:56:35
    13.   Jon Weisman
    9 - Right, in general, the Dodgers have been scoring too much in the past two weeks to get a one-run win. Knock on wood.

    10 - Is he not ahead of Greg Miller?

    2008-09-10 13:02:40
    14.   sporky
    God bless Mark Reynolds.
    2008-09-10 13:02:45
    15.   bhsportsguy
    With their leadoff batter on first, the next batter laid down a good bunt, a throwing error makes it 2nd and 3rd and no out.
    2008-09-10 13:02:52
    16.   CanuckDodger
    13 -- If recent comments by DeJon Watson are any indication of how the Dodgers feel about Miller, the Dodgers still have faith in him. Maybe more faith than they should have at this point.
    2008-09-10 13:03:30
    17.   Brian Y
    13. He is THIS YEAR I believe and possibly during the off-season when/if we have to make additional signings but Miller has the advantage of at least being a lefty who could at least compete to make the team next year depending on if they can find a comfortable pitch delivery for him enabling him to get some control back.

    I would think Greg Miller has more value than Orenduff as well considering he is still a power lefty (albeit with horrible control thus far) and he is younger. Yes, he is out of options but the chances of him being DFA'd next spring if he is atrocious is pretty minimal. Is he worth an invite to Spring Training? Yes. Will Jason Johnson be here then? No.

    If you DFA'd Miller now, he would be claimed because he wouldn't have to be designated until the end of next spring by the claiming team and would be their property at that point. Who wouldn't pick up Miller and try to fix him over the off-season while HOPING he fine tunes his mechanics into something he can repeatedly deliver? Basically, the answer is NO, Jason Johnson is not ahead of Greg Miller....yet.

    2008-09-10 13:03:52
    18.   Tripon
    Don't know if Johnson makes the postseason roster, but he's not a candidate to get DFA'ed. You need a guy who can pitch in blowout losses or wins.
    2008-09-10 13:04:17
    19.   Jon Weisman
    16 - Okay, I'll add Johnson to the list. He's got as much of a chance as Kent, after all.
    2008-09-10 13:04:23
    20.   cargill06
    ESPN has the Angel game as 2-1 Yankees top 2, Yahoo Gametracker has it as 1-0 Angels Bottom 1. Anyone know the correct score?
    2008-09-10 13:05:10
    21.   bhsportsguy
    Sandoval flies out to shallow left, runners hold. 1 down, 2nd and 3rd.
    2008-09-10 13:06:36
    22.   Alex41592
    20 - ESPN has it right. 2-1 Yankees Top 2.
    2008-09-10 13:07:00
    23.   Neal Pollack
    The Mark Sweeney Kool-Aid remains one of this season's great mysteries. Do you want him coming up in a key playoff situation?
    2008-09-10 13:07:03
    24.   ucladodger
    Just a thought here, and dont know if its been covered the last few days, but what about some consideration for Manny for MVP? Pujols should win the award going away because hes just ridiculous, but Manny's numbers as a Dodger are just mind-boggling.

    C;mon Giants, score some runs!

    2008-09-10 13:07:03
    25.   bhsportsguy
    Haren has almost worked out of it, Molina hits a soft liner to short.
    2008-09-10 13:09:09
    26.   Jon Weisman
    24 - Let's try this. If Albert Pujols were a Dodger, do you think a Cardinal who played most of the season in another league should have serious consideration for the NL MVP award?
    2008-09-10 13:09:17
    27.   fanerman
    0 The Dodger game is at 7 PM right?
    2008-09-10 13:10:19
    28.   bhsportsguy
    Bases loaded, two out for the Giants.
    2008-09-10 13:11:20
    29.   Jon Weisman
    27 - Yes, 7:05.
    2008-09-10 13:12:22
    30.   underdog
    Are we going to do dueling Giants-AZ updates again today? ;-) If so, I'm out, I fold, etc.

    5 But she wears glasses, she has to be smart!

    2008-09-10 13:13:09
    31.   ucladodger

    I'm just talking about some votes, not a serious challenge to Pujols. Albert is the best player in the world and probably should have 3-4 awards, but i do think Manny should receive some votes. Albert should win the award unanimously, but I do think Manny should be in the top 5 on some ballots.

    2008-09-10 13:13:47
    32.   bhsportsguy
    Aaron swings at ball 4, D-Backs escape but Haren is not sharp. 0-0 going to the top of the 2nd.
    2008-09-10 13:13:51
    33.   MollyKnight
    I have a question, guys:

    Can anyone point me in the direction of the MLB playoff schedule?

    2008-09-10 13:13:59
    34.   Jon Weisman
    Well, if nothing else, 35 pitches for Haren in the first.
    2008-09-10 13:14:07
    35.   Alex41592
    35 pitches for Haren.
    2008-09-10 13:14:44
    36.   ucladodger
    At least Haren threw 35 pitches. hopefully the Giants can get him out early and get to the DBacks pen.
    2008-09-10 13:15:50
    37.   Tripon
    If Manny stayed with the RedSox, I say he'd be the fav to win the AL MVP. Then the Red Sox would be in a real bind to pick up his options, or allow him to leave.
    2008-09-10 13:17:48
    38.   cargill06
    34 35 36 HOw many pitches did Haren throw that inning?
    2008-09-10 13:18:30
    39.   Tripon
    38 Enough pitches to last him 3 innings.
    2008-09-10 13:19:20
    40.   Eric Stephen
    Molly, I haven't seen it released yet, but it should follow closely the schedule of last year.

    First games will be Wed, Oct 1, probably 3 on that day.

    2008-09-10 13:19:39
    41.   robohobo
    Has that "Gameday Mini" button been there all year? I just noticed it. It's kinda nice.
    2008-09-10 13:20:32
    42.   sporky
    41 I just noticed it yesterday. Isn't it the same thing as the updated MLB iPhone app?
    2008-09-10 13:20:43
    43.   Tripon
    Craig (PA): I ask this every year, but will Scott Elbert ever be the prospect we once thought? Any chance of a decent career?

    SportsNation Ben Badler: (2:38 PM ET ) Scouts like him, but more as a bullpen arm than as a starter.

    2008-09-10 13:22:53
    44.   robohobo
    42 Unfortunately, I'm to much of a miser to ever buy an iPhone so I don't know.
    2008-09-10 13:23:42
    45.   MollyKnight
    40-Thanks. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to my five-year reunion or not on October 10-12. It's looking like No, which is just fine with me.
    2008-09-10 13:24:00
    46.   silverwidow
    Thinking ahead:

    Billingsley and Lowe are guaranteed to start Games 1 and 2 in Wrigley; Kuroda will start Game 3 at Dodger Stadium.

    Without knowing how the off days will break down, I wonder who is the 4th starter (if needed)? Maddux has been unreliable; Kershaw will pass his innings limit and has command issues. Hopefully there's a way to get Chad/Lowe two starts.

    2008-09-10 13:25:15
    47.   Tripon
    This is the MLB playoffs. Teams get at least 5 days off between games.
    2008-09-10 13:25:59
    48.   Jon Weisman
    45 - I will say I'm a big fan of the Stanford reunions, even though we mostly just hung out at someone's house last time. What was your freshman dorm?
    2008-09-10 13:27:10
    49.   Jon Weisman
    46 - You better knock, knock, knock on wood, baby
    2008-09-10 13:27:30
    50.   Eric Stephen
    33 ,40
    Molly, further dates, per Wikipedia:

    ALCS start date: Thu, Oct 9

    NLCS start date: Fri, Oct 10

    World Series start date: Wed, Oct 22

    Looks like the WS is Wed-Thu-Sat-Sun-Mon-Wed-Thu

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    2008-09-10 13:27:53
    51.   Gen3Blue
    That first inning Haren had was the kind of nightmare the Dodgers were having in their bad streak, as bad as can be had w/o giving up runs.

    And Dunn showed his outfield style just now with a double given up.

    2008-09-10 13:29:02
    52.   bhsportsguy
    45 If the Dodgers win their NLDS, and the Wild Card team does not win their series, they will play games 3-5 that weekend starting Sunday the 12th. If the Dodgers end up facing the Wild Card team, they will play the first two games on the 9th and 10th.
    2008-09-10 13:29:59
    53.   Jon Weisman
    50 pitches, five outs for Haren
    2008-09-10 13:30:13
    54.   Tripon
    For all of Dunn's offensive value, his defense leaves much to desire.

    Somehow Manny is holding left field fairly well, but Dunn at either first base or Right Field is an adventure to watch.

    2008-09-10 13:30:35
    55.   Eric Stephen
    More fun with playoff scheduling. Per Wikipedia:

    The team with the best record in the National League will be able to choose whether to start on Wednesday, October 1 or Thursday, October 2, 2008. Both series will be telecast on TBS. If Game 5 from any of the two series is played, it will be played on Wednesday, October 7, 2008.

    Looks like this will follow the AL 2007 format. Both NL series will have Saturday off, and the earlier starting one will have Thursday off.

    2008-09-10 13:31:50
    56.   regfairfield
    42 Is it better than Sportstap now?
    2008-09-10 13:32:03
    57.   Tripon
    Alex Smith of the San Francisco 49ner's is out for the year, likely ending his relationship with the organization unless they bring in new management.

    In Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers is laughing his butt off.

    2008-09-10 13:32:04
    58.   whodat807
    The Dodgers should have blocked him, but man, Dunn looks just awful in the field.
    2008-09-10 13:32:22
    59.   cargill06
    50 Game 7 would likely fall on October 30th, the day I leave for Cabo. We better win in 6
    2008-09-10 13:32:25
    60.   old dodger fan
    46 Penny?
    2008-09-10 13:33:20
    61.   Tripon
    It'd likely be Maddux as the 4th starter.
    2008-09-10 13:34:47
    62.   Eric Stephen
    BH, it looks like the NLCS dates will be this:

    Fri, Oct 10
    Sat, Oct 11
    Mon, Oct 13
    Tue, Oct 14
    Thu, Oct 16
    Sat, Oct 18
    Sun, Oct 19

    2008-09-10 13:35:31
    63.   Bumsrap
    Regardless of Manny's numbers before and after coming to the Dodgers, it would be just wrong for him to be MVP this year considering what was going on in Boston.

    Sabathia probably deserves votes for MVP but for which league. He had a better chance when only one award was made.

    2008-09-10 13:35:56
    64.   fanerman
    Looks like I'll have to knock on wood the entire time I read this thread.
    2008-09-10 13:36:10
    65.   silverwidow
    I crave a Dodgers/Mets NLCS with us giving them payback for 2006.
    2008-09-10 13:36:19
    66.   Alex41592
    1-0 AZ.
    2008-09-10 13:36:29
    67.   whodat807
    Too early to be talking about this stuff, but I'd feel good going into any game 5/7 with Lowe on the mound.
    2008-09-10 13:36:37
    68.   Eric Stephen
    AKA I'm rooting for the Brewers (or other Wild Card team) in round 1, so I can see NLCS playoff baseball.
    2008-09-10 13:36:48
    69.   Bumsrap
    Might matchups decide who is the 4th starter rather than one's performance over the last two weeks?
    2008-09-10 13:38:30
    70.   Jon Weisman
    Brazen. You people are brazen.
    2008-09-10 13:39:21
    71.   old dodger fan
    I think our cart is getting way out in front of our horse.
    2008-09-10 13:39:43
    72.   Eric Stephen
    At least I haven't put in my time off request for the championship parade.


    2008-09-10 13:39:53
    73.   Jacob L
    Hi guys! (Once again, I've been largely absent from these parts due to the need to actually produce work at work.)

    Anyway, I think its important every once in a while to feel what it feels like to root for the Giants. It doesn't feel good. (Go Hennessey!)

    2008-09-10 13:40:05
    74.   Gen3Blue
    Things are certainly bouncing wrong for Hennesy as well.
    2008-09-10 13:40:11
    75.   Disabled List
    46 is a horrible post, and the follow-ups are equally horrible. You guys are really tempting fate.
    2008-09-10 13:40:15
    76.   Alex41592
    71 - We don't even have a horse yet.
    2008-09-10 13:40:54
    77.   bhsportsguy
    70 The dates themselves are already set regardless of the teams that are playing so in that sense we are only saying what the matchups could be.

    Hennessey in a little trouble now but he gets out of it, 1-0, D-Backs.

    2008-09-10 13:41:07
    78.   cargill06
    While it sucks trading Santana, Meloan, LaRoche it sure is fun posting comments like 59. Enjoy the moment.
    2008-09-10 13:42:36
    79.   old dodger fan
    Today I wish Bonds was a Giant. Only through the 18th though.
    2008-09-10 13:42:45
    80.   bhsportsguy
    Look, it's not as if I try to park in the same place and eat a different cereal or drink a different soda each day depending on whether the Dodgers win or lose the night before.
    2008-09-10 13:42:57
    81.   Alex41592
    The Giants have already helped us out twice this series. We're asking a lot. They normally don't help us out once a series let alone twice.

    Besides after today we will be asking the help of the Cincinnati Reds.

    CC will not lose.

    2008-09-10 13:43:24
    82.   silverwidow
    75 I wonder if Joe will sit Loney against Kazmir in Game 1.

    OK, now I'll stop...

    2008-09-10 13:43:45
    83.   Lexinthedena
    How many of you flip-floppers had the Dodgers written off during the Negative 8?
    2008-09-10 13:45:31
    84.   Alex41592
    Two on and nobody out for Travis Ishikawa.
    2008-09-10 13:45:50
    85.   cargill06
    Game Over time in Mil?
    2008-09-10 13:46:43
    86.   Dark Horse
    Wow, the Dbacks defense is awful. This season's a long way from over, and our team has its own problems, but watching the weekend series I team with defense that bad has any business sniffing the postseason.
    2008-09-10 13:47:01
    87.   old dodger fan
    Looking ahead to the next series (per

    Friday Cueto vs Webb
    Saturday Volquez vs Johnson
    Sunday Harang vs Scherzer

    2008-09-10 13:47:10
    88.   underdog
    Yeah, seriously. Does no one believe in the jinx? Stop it, people, I mean it! I have to read this thread with my fingers crossed or as fanerman says, knocking on wood. Next you'll be walking under ladders, in front of black cats and broken mirrors while reeling off predictions for the Dodgers world series line-ups. Stop!
    2008-09-10 13:47:54
    89.   underdog
    83 I'm proud to say I was one of those stubbornly not giving up, though it did look pretty bleak then.
    2008-09-10 13:48:05
    90.   Lexinthedena
    86 That's how I felt about the Dodgers with Nomar/Kent up the middle. Berroa, whom I had heard was horrible with the glove, has been pretty good.
    2008-09-10 13:48:32
    91.   sporky
    My hand hurts from knocking on wood for the past 30 minutes.
    2008-09-10 13:49:22
    92.   Lexinthedena
    87 I wish we could see a Volquez/ Sherzer match-up....that would be electrifying!
    2008-09-10 13:49:31
    93.   fanerman
    83 I predicted 89 wins this season and I stuck to it then and I'm still sticking to it!
    2008-09-10 13:49:33
    94.   Bob Timmermann
    Spotted in Downtown L.A. today at lunch:

    People in Ohio State gear.

    In solidarity with Eric Stephen and the other USC fans on the board, I beat up the couple (they looked to be in their early 70s), stole their wallets and used the credit cards to buy myself a new watch.

    2008-09-10 13:50:22
    95.   Jacob L
    Not so much counting chickens, but I have been wasting a lot of energy lately worrying about the likelihood of playing the Cubs in the first round, mostly because I might have to root for the Cubs.

    The Dodgers are my team, no doubt about it, but the Cubs were my dad's team, and (as some of you know) he passed earlier this year. During spring training, in fact. So its not just the 100 years, or the fact that they spent all year looking like this was their year.

    I'm sure people in Chicago are gripping right now, but it was weird being there a month ago. People were confident and giddy. That's just not how you should approach rooting for the Cubs. History and the fates are nothing to trifle with. Still, I think they are the class of the NL, and if the Dodgers beat them, with my rooting help, I'd feel really bad.

    2008-09-10 13:50:34
    96.   ToyCannon
    Should I get World Series tickets for the first game to make sure I see the world series or the last game to watch them clinch the world championship?
    2008-09-10 13:50:51
    97.   Kevin Lewis
    I'm just hoping for another great game tonight....Dodgers and softball!
    2008-09-10 13:51:05
    98.   Neal Pollack
    The floor could always fall away from us. No doubt. This team has shown, both in on-field performance and management, that it can repeatedly shoot itself in the foot.

    But the D'Backs aren't very good right now.

    2008-09-10 13:51:14
    99.   sporky
    2008-09-10 13:51:15
    100.   Alex41592
    DUNN! 2-1 GIANTS!
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    2008-09-10 13:51:56
    101.   Eric Stephen
    More fun by unn, the D-Backs RFer
    2008-09-10 13:51:57
    102.   sporky
    100 I'm watching on Gameday... is Dunn that horrible in RF?
    2008-09-10 13:51:58
    103.   ucladodger
    Velez is my new favorite Giant
    2008-09-10 13:52:06
    104.   underdog
    "Mysterious things happen in right field," said Omar Vizquel about PhoneCo Park, and he's right. And Adam Dunn is still terrible out there.
    2008-09-10 13:52:12
    105.   old dodger fan
    94 USC fans were all over Virginia 2 weeks ago but I don't think any were beaten up. At least not by me.
    2008-09-10 13:52:18
    106.   bhsportsguy
    Adam Dunn had another adventure in right field, 2-1 Giants.
    2008-09-10 13:52:29
    107.   Tripon
    Listening to the Dan Patrick show today, and they had an informal poll of what MLB players thought who were the worst fielders are.

    1st was Manny.

    2nd was Adam Dunn.

    2008-09-10 13:52:52
    108.   underdog
    In fairness to Dunn, that last one was pretty weird - between the sun + shadows, the winds and weird corners of right field, some other outfielders might have lost that one, too. But still... he's bad.
    2008-09-10 13:52:54
    109.   Jacob L
    Humm Baby! (That didn't feel good, either.)
    2008-09-10 13:53:03
    110.   ucladodger

    Count me on that one, too. I dont get why Conor Jackson and Dunn just dont flip flop positions.

    2008-09-10 13:53:08
    111.   Alex41592
    He stood 8 feet in front of the track, put his glove in the air and the ball landed off the wall.
    2008-09-10 13:53:13
    112.   old dodger fan
    I think we are going to see a lot of both bull pens today.
    2008-09-10 13:53:24
    113.   Eric Stephen
    Game 5, set for Monday, October 27 at Dodger Stadium, is looking pretty sweet.

    (Sorry, underdog.)

    2008-09-10 13:54:01
    114.   sporky
    111 Beautiful.
    2008-09-10 13:54:36
    115.   Lexinthedena
    {94} "mid-70's" pfffft! yeah right! I can picture two octogenarians getting blitzed by a tall man in a red checkered jersey....

    97 If you bat me higher in the lineup you will get just that. Free Lexinthedena!

    2008-09-10 13:54:42
    116.   ucladodger
    Haren has 2, 3 innings at most left today.
    2008-09-10 13:54:57
    117.   bhsportsguy
    94 Why are they in downtown (must be staying at the Bonaventure.)

    Haren has thrown 76 pitches in 3 innings.

    2008-09-10 13:56:44
    118.   Tripon
    110 Connor Jackson didn't like 1st base for some reason.
    2008-09-10 13:58:42
    119.   Kevin Lewis

    I hate to say this, but do you want me to post your slash stats from last season? I know that was wrong.

    Actually, you are batting 6th tonight. When you get past the first half of the lineup, order does not necessarily equal ability. I need to space out certain hitters to avoid a rally killing.

    2008-09-10 13:58:45
    120.   Tripon
    On this year's Dodgers Dominican Summer League team is pitcher Joel Lima, the 19-year-old younger brother of Jose Lima, who owns the only playoff victory for the Dodgers in the past 20 years.

    Perhaps Lima Time will live again!

    2008-09-10 13:58:47
    121.   Bob Timmermann
    Lots of out of town fans for USC games get put up at the Bonaventure.

    Nebraskans travel in very large numbers.

    Around New Year's, the out of towners tend to show up in Downtown as well.

    2008-09-10 13:58:48
    122.   bhsportsguy
    Why is Chris Snyder bunting Reynolds over for Augie?
    2008-09-10 13:58:50
    123.   underdog
    Sometimes I wonder about Bob Melvin...
    2008-09-10 14:00:43
    124.   Tripon
    122 Bob Melvin hates his team. He really hates his team and is trying to tell his bosses to give him more contact hitters like Juan Pierre.
    2008-09-10 14:01:08
    125.   Lexinthedena
    119 Ancient history! I've found my stroke. I am the Andre Ethier of Los Pistoleros softball. Don't be the Joe Torre.
    2008-09-10 14:01:22
    126.   bhsportsguy
    123 So now Haren comes up with a runner at 3B and 2 out.
    2008-09-10 14:02:14
    127.   Eric Stephen
    Bob, welcome aboard! I applaud your handling of the would-be marauders in scarlet and gray. I would suggest a finishing move of placing a sticker on their forehead while yelling "buckeye!"

    Or the always pleasing "How do you do?" will suffice.

    2008-09-10 14:02:16
    128.   Alex41592
    I think Snyder did that on his own. Still 2-1 S.F.
    2008-09-10 14:02:20
    129.   bhsportsguy
    123 That would be like Casey Blake bunting for Berroa.
    2008-09-10 14:02:55
    130.   bhsportsguy
    127 Please, I am trying to eat my lunch.
    2008-09-10 14:03:01
    131.   Kevin Lewis

    Hey, I did move you up, so show me what you got. Tonight I want everyone to take until they get a strike (just for the first time through the lineup) Their pitcher has walked 27 people in 2 games.

    2008-09-10 14:04:45
    132.   Jacob L
    125 You're just seeing a lot more slo-pitches.
    2008-09-10 14:06:50
    133.   sporky
    Will Haren survive the 4th?
    2008-09-10 14:06:51
    134.   Tripon
    125 Are you as pretty as Andre Ethier?
    2008-09-10 14:11:19
    135.   Kevin Lewis

    That is debatable

    2008-09-10 14:13:29
    136.   underdog
    Molina almost hit trainwreck's girlfriend with that line drive foul ball.
    2008-09-10 14:14:45
    137.   Tripon
    Woody Paige says Manny should win MVP.
    2008-09-10 14:17:04
    138.   Eric Stephen
    That gives us a nice perspective on that idea.

    Speaking of worthless humans, as I was walking into Petco Park last night, I cross paths with a man heading for one of the back entrances, and I didn't realize until he was about 10 feet past me that it was T.J. Simers. To my regret, I said nothing.

    2008-09-10 14:17:39
    139.   Jon Weisman
    I don't think even Kershaw has thrown 99 pitches in four innings.
    2008-09-10 14:19:46
    140.   LoneStar7
    i feel like 2 runs will not be enough, lets hope the giants keep putting runs on the board.
    2008-09-10 14:20:03
    141.   Tripon
    Odie (Portland): Can Andre Ethier get a little more attention for what he's been doing, please?

    Jay Jaffe: Ethier has been tearing it up, no doubt, and I've been seeing quite a lot of his exploits lately. .390/.455/.820 over the past month, and .500/.582/.957 over the past two-ish weeks batting in front of Manny Ramirez. You had to know that the only way the whole Juan Pierre debacle could be put to rest was if Ethier went white-hot, and luckily, Little Peanuthead has one start since August 20.

    2008-09-10 14:20:12
    142.   Icaros

    I once got into an argument with my dad over my hypothetically spitting in Plaschke's face if I ever ran into him in public. But I probably wouldn't.

    2008-09-10 14:21:12
    143.   Tripon
    139 Wasn't he close to that in his last start? Could have sworn Kershaw was in the mid 90's after being pulled in the fourth.
    2008-09-10 14:21:34
    144.   bhsportsguy
    The most pitches Haren has thrown in a game this season is 118, its hard to imagine him going beyond the 5th.
    2008-09-10 14:21:58
    145.   Eric Stephen
    Did you at least spit in your dad's face to demonstrate the style?
    2008-09-10 14:22:53
    146.   bhsportsguy
    142 I saw him at the LA Times Book Festival and no one spit on him that day.
    2008-09-10 14:23:09
    147.   Icaros

    Next time.

    2008-09-10 14:23:38
    148.   Lexinthedena
    135 Hey! I resemble that!
    2008-09-10 14:23:49
    149.   Alex41592
    143 - 92 pitches through 4 innings last start.
    2008-09-10 14:24:08
    150.   underdog
    138 Wouldn't you have to know how to speak in a series of high pitched shrieks and guttural noises to communicate with Simers though? Or at least that's how I always pictured him speaking.
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    2008-09-10 14:24:42
    151.   Icaros

    Yeah, but I heard he paid a woman to spit on him that night. People are into different things.

    2008-09-10 14:24:52
    152.   Jon Weisman
    Angels on verge of clinching today:

    Angels 4, Yankees 2 (fifth inning)
    Mariners 3, Rangers 0 (third inning)

    2008-09-10 14:24:57
    153.   bhsportsguy
    143 He threw 92 and 91 pitches in 4 innings in his last start and in Philly, respectively.
    2008-09-10 14:26:35
    154.   blue22
    118 - In the OF; Tracy is at 1B today. Dunn in right and Jackson in left is just a little weird, especially in SF.

    Jackson must have a Pierre-quality arm to not be able to displace Dunn in RF.

    2008-09-10 14:27:32
    155.   Eric Stephen
    There would have to be some clicking involved.
    2008-09-10 14:28:29
    156.   underdog
    154 I know, again, I wonder about Bob Melvin sometimes. Doesn't Tracy play the OF, too? If he's so desperate to get Tracy into the lineup he could swap with Dunn. I guess no matter what you have 3 questionable defenders to trade between two outfield slots and first.
    2008-09-10 14:28:37
    157.   Eric Stephen
    No one is willing to adopt my name for the D-Backs RF in 101 ?
    2008-09-10 14:29:26
    158.   Jacob L
    I saw Plaschke speak at the library in the late fall of 2004. He said, in response to a question, that no Moneyball team had ever won a playoff series. I'm sure I looked like an angry lunatic when I screamed, "The Red Sox! The Red Sox! They won the World Series, like, a month ago!"
    2008-09-10 14:30:11
    159.   Bob Timmermann
    I really didn't beat up the Ohio State fans.

    I just beat them up in my heart.

    2008-09-10 14:30:48
    160.   Jacob L
    Dan Haren to the showers.
    2008-09-10 14:31:01
    161.   bhsportsguy
    158 When I saw him, it was in the spring of 2005, after he went after Bonds, McGwire, et. al., he proceeded to go after Moneyball.
    2008-09-10 14:31:02
    162.   Icaros

    Not really, but it makes me think of the dialogue from Airplane! where "Unger is over Dunn."

    2008-09-10 14:31:09
    163.   Bob Timmermann
    I was responsible for getting that program rescheduled. I told the Cultural Affairs Office that the original date for it would have coincided with Game 4 of the World Series.

    That was the pinnacle of my power.

    2008-09-10 14:31:19
    164.   Zak
    56 Yeah, way better. I love the iPhone Gameday. For the best free sports update app, try Sportacular. I like it better than Sportstap which was the first one I used.
    2008-09-10 14:32:17
    165.   Tripon
    Was the 2007 Red Sox team a Moneyball team?
    2008-09-10 14:32:49
    166.   blue22
    156 - Who is the usual odd man out here? Upton is sitting today, so are Tracy and Upton platooning?
    2008-09-10 14:34:19
    167.   blue22
    165 - 2nd in the majors in OBP, if that's what you mean.
    2008-09-10 14:37:04
    168.   Jacob L
    165 Of course. They had Kevin Youkilis and JD Drew.
    2008-09-10 14:38:47
    169.   regfairfield
    The eternal question: Dustin Pedroia, Moneyballer or no?
    2008-09-10 14:38:54
    170.   underdog
    166 That seems to be the case, yep. And Upton has his adventures in the OF, too.
    2008-09-10 14:39:02
    171.   Jacob L
    163 Thank goodness. I was at the opera that night. You mean none of the speakers would have known that?
    2008-09-10 14:39:15
    172.   Bob Timmermann
    The Angels are trying to clinch a playoff spot today starting Dustin Moseley and relieving with Kevin Jepsen.

    It's almost like taunting the Yankees.

    2008-09-10 14:40:06
    173.   Jacob L
    169 No, and certainly not Jacoby Ellsbury. They look too good in the uniform.
    2008-09-10 14:41:44
    174.   Tripon
    Is Andre Ethier a moneyballer?
    2008-09-10 14:42:28
    175.   robohobo
    174 He is until he starts making the big bucks!
    2008-09-10 14:42:50
    176.   Lexinthedena
    166 Isn't moneyball all about getting maximum value by grabbing undervalued resources.....? e.g OBP being an undervalued stat in the minors at the time?.....So I would say that power from a 2nd baseman is money!
    2008-09-10 14:43:30
    177.   bhsportsguy
    I refuse to believe any team with Julio Lugo on it is a Moneyball team.
    2008-09-10 14:44:21
    178.   Tripon
    If OBP is the ultimate moneyball stat, why did Boston try so hard to trade Manny?
    2008-09-10 14:44:56
    179.   Bob Timmermann
    I guess Plaschke wasn't too concerned about the Dodgers making it to the World Series that year.
    2008-09-10 14:46:29
    180.   Marty
    This may have already come up, but how does everybody think the Dodgers will spend their World Series share this year?
    2008-09-10 14:47:56
    181.   Alex41592
    2-1 S.F Bottom 6.
    2008-09-10 14:48:33
    182.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
    FYI, if you have MLB.TV....

    ...there's a non-zero chance that you'll have your choice of home and away feeds starting as soon as this weekend.

    This isn't 100% a done deal yet, so don't lynch me if it doesn't happen. But it sounds pretty likely.

    2008-09-10 14:48:34
    183.   Tripon

    Neyer writes about NL closers and how bad they are. He does like the Dodgers closers this year, Saito and Broxton. Also thinks that Lidge should get MVP and Cy Young considerations if Lidge can finish without a blown save or a loss.

    2008-09-10 14:50:29
    184.   bhsportsguy
    178 I am no expert but what I believe the whole point of the philosophy is seeing what areas are not being valued and then trying to find them at lower cost. OBP on its own is not a "Moneyball" stat but it is a better indicator on what leads to scoring runs which is getting men on base.
    2008-09-10 14:51:34
    185.   underdog
    180 Grrr...

    Okay, I'm just gonna keep a list here. And if the Dodgers don't make the playoffs, let alone the WS, people on that list will be officially blamed. Sort of like Bob's obelisk, but only temporary.

    2008-09-10 14:53:42
    186.   blue22
    180 - Some of it needs to be set aside for the statue of CC Sabathia commemorating his induction into the Hall of Fame (wearing a Dodgers cap, natch).
    2008-09-10 14:53:47
    187.   LogikReader
    Can I have a copy of your list, underdog? Hubris, people! Hubris! =D
    2008-09-10 14:55:06
    188.   LogikReader
    WHOA... 2 on nobody out for SF, 6th inning.

    Anybody else updating the game already?

    2008-09-10 14:55:06
    189.   Icaros

    I guess we'll have to have a party in SF when we win our first WS since 1988!

    2008-09-10 14:55:08
    190.   Lexinthedena
    186 Will Martin and Kemp be inducted on the same day? and which one of them will be wearing their 10th S ring as a pendant?
    2008-09-10 14:55:08
    191.   Alex41592
    2nd and 3rd with nobody out for Sandoval.
    2008-09-10 14:55:34
    192.   Jacob L
    And just as we're having this nice discussion about Moneyball and 2004, Dave Roberts gets into scoring position for the Giants.
    2008-09-10 14:55:45
    193.   ToyCannon
    James Loney - buy some power
    Jeff Kent - buy a personality or a herd of cattle
    Berroa - a facelift
    Blake - a cabin in Alaska
    Martin -
    A Jones - some ice cream
    Pierre - bribe some team to trade for him and play him full time
    Ethier -
    Manny - a house in Echo Park so he can walk to work
    Kemp - a self moving trashcan
    2008-09-10 14:56:25
    194.   Bob Timmermann
    The Pablo Sandoval! The third best catcher in the NL West, behind only the awesomeness of Chris Ianetta and Chris Snyder!
    2008-09-10 14:56:29
    195.   Alex41592
    191 - For Lewis. Sandoval on deck.
    2008-09-10 14:56:45
    196.   Jacob L
    Moneyball is about having fat guys (but not as fat as Prince Fielder) who can't play defense.
    2008-09-10 14:56:54
    197.   fanerman
    185 Just make sure you post the list on DT.
    2008-09-10 14:57:31
    198.   whodat807
    Boy the Astros are hot. 29-11 in their last 40. What do people think of their chances of squeezing past the self-destructing Brewers and leapfrogging the Cards and the Phils and grabbing the WC?
    2008-09-10 14:57:31
    199.   whodat807
    Boy the Astros are hot. 29-11 in their last 40. What do people think of their chances of squeezing past the self-destructing Brewers and leapfrogging the Cards and the Phils and grabbing the WC?
    2008-09-10 14:58:08
    200.   Lexinthedena
    193 Ethier- A beard.
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    2008-09-10 14:58:20
    201.   ToyCannon
    I spit in the eye of your hubris. If you are going to dream, dream big, and don't keep it to yourself. If the Dodgers don't make the playoffs feel free to blame the poster, that way when things go wrong the players can slink away in confidence that it wasn't their fault.
    2008-09-10 14:58:28
    202.   Alex41592
    2nd and 3rd with one out for Sandoval.
    2008-09-10 14:58:40
    203.   Bob Timmermann
    Of course, Lewis preceded Sandoval and so did Jimmy Blake. The former was a lulu and the latter was a cake.
    2008-09-10 14:58:56
    204.   Lexinthedena
    196 Fat white guys...
    2008-09-10 14:59:38
    205.   sporky
    187 Me too! Take it back, people!


    2008-09-10 14:59:58
    206.   ToyCannon
    For those who said Santana has only hit in High-A , just remember he was as good as Sandoval was this year before Sandy got promoted and our guy got sold. Not that I'm beating a dead horse or anything.
    2008-09-10 15:00:13
    207.   Jacob L
    I'm sure that Giant fans are rooting against their team here.
    2008-09-10 15:00:58
    208.   underdog
    Okay, just so we're clear, facetious jinxing doesn't put you on the list.
    2008-09-10 15:01:01
    209.   fanerman
    205 My arm is dead. Knocking on wood gets really really tiring after awhile.
    2008-09-10 15:02:14
    210.   Jacob L
    O.K., Mr. Cleanup Hitter Molina . . .
    2008-09-10 15:02:45
    211.   Alex41592
    Clinch watch is on hold:

    Mariners and Rangers are tied at 4 in the fifth.

    2008-09-10 15:03:54
    212.   underdog
    206 And Santana isn't fat tub of goo.
    2008-09-10 15:04:35
    213.   sporky
    11 LOBsters for the Giants.
    2008-09-10 15:04:50
    214.   bhsportsguy
    The Giants show why they are where they are in the standings, 2-1 Giants (11 lob today).
    2008-09-10 15:05:00
    215.   Alex41592
    2-1 S.F Top 7.
    2008-09-10 15:05:09
    216.   trainwreck
    ESPN is still talking about Brady's injury like it is new information.
    2008-09-10 15:05:29
    217.   underdog
    201 Oh the players and manager and GM will get blamed first, but there has to be some local blame, too.

    Of course, the SnakePit already declared their season over -- but that could be their ingenious little way of keeping it going, in that extreme reverse jinxing kind of way.

    Or not. Oh! I don't care anymore! {throws up hands}

    2008-09-10 15:06:08
    218.   Tripon
    Arizona may be the worst team in the NL west at the moment.
    2008-09-10 15:06:21
    219.   underdog
    216 I'm telling you, Brady's knee = Buckwheat's been shot.
    2008-09-10 15:06:27
    220.   East Coast Dodger

    "I am no expert but what I believe the whole point of the philosophy is seeing what areas are not being valued and then trying to find them at lower cost. OBP on its own is not a "Moneyball" stat but it is a better indicator on what leads to scoring runs which is getting men on base."

    The only thing I would add to this is that so-called "Moneyball" GMs look for undervalued factors that lead to scoring runs that they can acquire cheaply. In that sense, OBP is related to Moneyball ideas (because as others have pointed out it wasn't being valued properly), but in and of itself it is not one. It would make no sense to cheaply acquire talents that do not lead to more runs (like JP, for example).

    2008-09-10 15:06:28
    221.   unlazy4sports
    207 My coworker who's a Giants fan, already gave up on the Dbacks having the ability to regain first place in the division. He's back to just wanting to see his team win now, especially with all the young guys that are playing.
    2008-09-10 15:07:02
    222.   Jacob L
    News on ESPN -

    Brady hurt!
    Vince Young leaves the house for awhile!
    Favre still awesome!

    2008-09-10 15:10:12
    223.   ToyCannon
    Just like we were the worse team two weeks ago. I think that is why I like baseball so much. The 162 game season makes any season interesting.
    2008-09-10 15:10:47
    224.   Marty
    So perhaps Reggie Bush will have a longer career than Vince Young after all. What with Young being insane and all.
    2008-09-10 15:11:01
    225.   Tripon
    John Kruk is mad as hell on sportscenter.
    2008-09-10 15:11:07
    226.   ucladodger
    OOOOO. Brian Kenny just threw the whole "wins shouldnt matter in the cY Young vote" in John Kruk's face. Krukie has no good response. Now talking about OBP and SLG. Preach Brian Kenny, preach!
    2008-09-10 15:14:00
    227.   Alex41592
    2-1 S.F. Bottom 7.
    2008-09-10 15:15:06
    228.   Alex41592
    Clinch watch back on:

    Mariners 5 Rangers 4 Bottom 5

    2008-09-10 15:15:06
    229.   Bob Timmermann
    The Mariners have reclaimed the lead against Texas.
    2008-09-10 15:15:26
    230.   ucladodger
    What I took out of Moneyball is taking something that is undervalued around baseball and exploting that. When the book was written, on base percentage was that category, so the A's specifically targeted that while sacrificing traditional attributes like speed and defense (Hatteberg, Justice, Jeremy Giambi before he got traded). Now that OBP is appreciated a great deal more than it was, it really isnt a "Moneyball" stat anymore where small market teams can take advantage over the big markets (other than Coletti. i'm not sure what the new "Moneyball" focus is, but I'm sure Billy Beane has something that is undervalued that he is exploiting.
    2008-09-10 15:15:57
    231.   blue22
    218 - The Padres thank you for the kind words, but they know they stink. They know.
    2008-09-10 15:16:31
    232.   bhsportsguy
    224 But we can admit that Maurice Jones-Drew is a better running back than Reggie Bush, Bush is more of Terry Metcalf type player.
    2008-09-10 15:18:34
    233.   East Coast Dodger
    232 Eric Metcalf was awesome. Was one of my favorite players. Who was Terry?
    2008-09-10 15:19:41
    234.   Tripon
    230 Defense? Teams seem to really undervalue it today, playing guys like Adam Dunn, or the Dodgers playing the Hands of Stone infield defense for a couple of weeks. (Blake, Nomar, Kent, and Loney)
    2008-09-10 15:19:46
    235.   cargill06
    194 Did anyone suggest that Sandoval was the 3rd best catcher in the NL? I certainly didn't.

    Manny - a house in Echo Park so he can walk to work

    The best line I've seen here in a long time.

    2008-09-10 15:21:52
    236.   Alex41592
    A fan, while being ejected from the game in Philadelphia, received a nice ovation for interfering with a ball down the left field line. The interference probably saved a run.
    2008-09-10 15:22:16
    237.   ToyCannon
    Is anything undervalued right now? I think Andrew thinks defense is. Ned seems to undervalue MVP Cal League catchers named after rock legends who can still bring it 45 years later.
    2008-09-10 15:22:43
    238.   Alex41592
    2-1 S.F. Top 8.
    2008-09-10 15:23:03
    239.   underdog
    The Giants-Dbacks game makes me want a nap, desperately, but I'm working. So I'm turning it off. Let me know how it turns out, or wake me when it's over.
    2008-09-10 15:23:22
    240.   regfairfield
    I think something that isn't said enough about the Moneyball A's is how reliant the team was on the draft. The book talks about inefficencies but the only great deal on that team from free agency was Hatteberg. The book talked a lot about David Justice but he was just an average right fielder that was the second highest paid player on the team at the start of the year.

    If the A's weren't paying Hudson, Mulder, Zito, Chavez and Tejada less than eight million combined, they would have gone no where. The Moneyball A's were built out of the draft, not free agency.

    2008-09-10 15:24:05
    241.   ToyCannon
    The father and the much better football player.
    2008-09-10 15:25:16
    242.   ToyCannon
    Terry was elusive, fast, move on a dime, and a joy to watch.
    2008-09-10 15:25:42
    243.   Alex41592
    K-Rod is in to move the magic number to 1.
    2008-09-10 15:26:29
    244.   regfairfield
    237 I think enough teams value defense properly that you can't exploit it.

    The only thing I really see out there as an inefficiency is that there are too many teams that go out and make too big of a commitment to mediocre free agents. Other than that, there's really nothing out there, which is why I think scouting is way more important than stats right now.

    2008-09-10 15:26:54
    245.   blue22
    230 - Rob Neyer talks a lot about pitcher health/durability as maybe being one of those things, though looking at the contracts given out to guys like Carlos Silva, the word "undervalued" doesn't immediately spring to mind.
    2008-09-10 15:27:39
    246.   sporky
    3 more outs to go!
    2008-09-10 15:28:00
    247.   Alex41592
    2-1 S.F. Bottom 8.
    2008-09-10 15:28:06
    248.   ToyCannon
    So then "good" scouts would be undervalued?
    2008-09-10 15:28:18
    249.   Jon Weisman
    Who was Terry Metcalf? Sigh.

    Next, someone will ask who Billy "White Shoes" Johnson was.

    2008-09-10 15:28:24
    250.   East Coast Dodger
    242 Sounds like Eric, too. Where did Terry play?
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    2008-09-10 15:30:57
    251.   regfairfield
    248 Yep. Maybe medical staffs too, but I'm not really sure how much of a difference that makes.
    2008-09-10 15:31:31
    252.   ToyCannon
    Shook me to the core. Is Barry Sanders next? I'm feeling like my Dad when I asked him who Glen Davis was.
    2008-09-10 15:31:40
    253.   Jon Weisman
    "SAN FRANCISCO — Tim Lincecum has some significant milestones within his reach this month and the Giants might give him an extra start to accomplish them — perhaps while knocking out the archrival Dodgers, too."

    "Manager Bruce Bochy wouldn't rule out using a Sept. 22 day off to skip a starting pitcher and give the ball to Lincecum on his regular turn the following day. By pushing him up, Lincecum would be able to start on normal rest in the Sept. 28 season finale against the Dodgers at AT&T Park."

    2008-09-10 15:32:19
    254.   ucladodger
    I think you guys are right in terms of undervalued categories. Most teams are pretty darn well informed on what helps you win games. The A's of course needed to draft well, but they also used some things they knew to their advantage. Other things like teams overvaluing closers and getting huge returns for them, signing unappealing baseball types (Chad Bradford) helped them be successful, but I assume thats not as effective now.
    2008-09-10 15:32:27
    255.   Jon Weisman
    252 - How about Joe Washington on Monday Night Football? Thirty years later, he sticks with me.
    2008-09-10 15:32:39
    256.   blue22
    Snyder coming up representing the potential tying run vs Wilson in the 9th...again.
    2008-09-10 15:33:10
    257.   ToyCannon
    Eric can hang his hat on this on being part of the deal that ruined our brothers to the South.

    "Metcalf was exchanged along with two first round & one second round draft picks by San Diego Chargers to Arizona Cardinals for moving one spot in the 1998 NFL Draft to pick quarterback Ryan Leaf."

    2008-09-10 15:33:12
    258.   East Coast Dodger
    249 My first memory of football was the Raiders-Skins Super Bowl. Made me a Raiders fan, but not an expert on football players from the 70s.
    2008-09-10 15:34:01
    259.   Alex41592
    Seattle and Texas are tied at 6.
    2008-09-10 15:35:19
    260.   ToyCannon
    Thus he was traded to the Arizona Cardinals who used to be the Saint Louis Cardinals, the team his father(Terry) played for.
    2008-09-10 15:35:50
    261.   Jon Weisman
    258 - Sorry, I'm just having fun - didn't mean anything by it. Whistling in my own graveyard.
    2008-09-10 15:36:48
    262.   Bob Timmermann
    I remember back in the day when the only Manning who played quarterback in the NFL was Archie.

    And he was always on a really bad team.

    2008-09-10 15:37:23
    263.   ToyCannon
    255 Hadn't heard his name in 20 years.

    "Washington's most memorable performance was in the September 18 Monday Night Football game between the Colts and the Patriots, which featured a record 41 points scored between the two teams in the fourth quarter, 27 by the Colts. Washington scored or helping score his teams' final three touchdowns. His catch of a touchdown pass tied the game at 20-20, and then he threw an option pass to Roger Carr to put the Colts ahead 27-20. After the Patriots tied it late, Washington returned the ensuing kickoff 96 yards for the winning touchdown."

    2008-09-10 15:37:34
    264.   Alex41592
    2-1 S.F. Top 9. Brian Wilson vs. Snyder, Ojeda (or maybe a pinch hitter) and Tony Clark.
    2008-09-10 15:38:41
    265.   ToyCannon
    All we need is a rocking chair a knife and a whittling stick to go along with a blackberry connected to wiki.
    2008-09-10 15:39:31
    266.   ToyCannon
    Do you really remember that or are you living the experience through archival footage?
    2008-09-10 15:40:05
    267.   underdog
    253 Hopefully the Dodgers will have already clinched a playoff spot before the last game of the season - IF they make the playoffs (whistle) - so then Lincecum can face the Dodgrs backups and who cares. Having to beat him on the last day to make the playoffs would make me beyond worried.
    2008-09-10 15:40:50
    268.   old dodger fan
    It's been years since I read Moneyball but I believe that besides some of the things already mentioned is the ability to tell when a player has peaked and knowing the optimal time to trade them for maximum value.
    2008-09-10 15:41:41
    269.   Alex41592
    Angels magic number is 1.

    6-6 in the sixth in Seattle.

    2008-09-10 15:41:58
    270.   underdog
    Wonder if I'm the only one here who remembers Steve DeBerg, twice-bridesmaided QB (replaced by Montana, replaced by Elway).

    You kids stay off my lawn!

    2008-09-10 15:42:33
    271.   Alex41592
    Ojeda sacrifices Romero to 2nd base. One out and a runner on second for Clark.
    2008-09-10 15:44:06
    272.   Alex41592
    A walk to Clark. 1st and 2nd with one out for Drew.
    2008-09-10 15:44:06
    273.   sporky
    2008-09-10 15:44:14
    274.   overkill94
    270 I only remember him as the QB for the Bucs on Tecmo Bowl and from his 1986 Topps football card. In both instances he looks hideous in those orange Tampa Bay uniforms.
    2008-09-10 15:44:38
    275.   trainwreck
    Steve DeBerg tried to play so long that even I remember him.
    2008-09-10 15:45:43
    276.   underdog
    Wouldn't it be nice if Brian Wilson didn't make us incredibly nervous as a closer? Wouldn't it be nice if we could wake up and the Dbacks were 3.5 games out?
    2008-09-10 15:46:08
    277.   blue22
    270 - He was also replaced by Steve Young and Vinny Testaverde in Tampa, though those moves weren't as franchise-altering as your examples.

    What I remember about DeBerg is they said he was a master of the play fake. I was never all that impressed.

    2008-09-10 15:46:09
    278.   Eric Stephen
    Ironside would walk against Wilson today.
    2008-09-10 15:46:16
    279.   Alex41592
    Drew flies to left. 2 out.
    2008-09-10 15:46:31
    280.   trainwreck
    Brian Wilson still sucks.
    2008-09-10 15:46:42
    281.   sporky
    2008-09-10 15:46:52
    282.   drewjensen
    253 I believe it was in the same article that noted that Lincecum actually leads national league pitchers in innings pitched (obviously, as a rookie). A columnist up here (Kawakami) has been railing about the Giants overuse of Lincecum but Bochy appears to be very old school indeed.

    This poor kid's arm is going to fall off next year.

    2008-09-10 15:47:03
    283.   Alex41592
    3-2 AZ. Gapper by SCY.
    2008-09-10 15:47:07
    284.   underdog
    oh for the love of...


    2008-09-10 15:47:21
    285.   Eric Stephen
    Brian Wilson deserves all the Broxton scorn, times ten.
    2008-09-10 15:47:23
    286.   thinkblue88
    2008-09-10 15:47:26
    287.   DodgerBakers
    2008-09-10 15:47:48
    288.   East Coast Dodger
    270 I remember DeBerg only as the really old QB of the Chiefs. I think his picture is in the dictionary next to the word "crafty".
    2008-09-10 15:47:49
    289.   ucladodger
    And who was the guy saying the preferred Brian wilson over Broxton? I hate Brian wilson.....
    2008-09-10 15:47:53
    290.   Icaros
    I'm glad I wasn't the one who said Brian Wilson is better than Broxton.
    2008-09-10 15:48:00
    291.   fanerman
    I can't speak for everyone, but I'd rather have Jonathon Broxton close games than Brian Wilson.
    2008-09-10 15:48:32
    292.   Tripon
    Didn't somebody argue here that Brian Wilson was a better closer than Broxton was?
    2008-09-10 15:48:32
    293.   Bob Timmermann
    But Brandon Lyon is on my fantasy team!
    2008-09-10 15:48:44
    294.   underdog
    I stand corrected, people remember DeBerg! He wasn't very memorable except for all those times he was supplanted by a great QB.

    And yeah, he played a long while.

    I always liked him for some reason though.

    A friend of mine once asked if I was talking about the guy who sang "Lady in Red." That dates me even more.

    2008-09-10 15:49:08
    295.   bigcpa
    Come on. Did we really want to see AZ drop to 71-74 and 3 GB? Talk about sucking the drama outta things!
    2008-09-10 15:49:22
    296.   underdog
    289-292 made me laugh out loud. So thanks for that, even if Wilson still makes me want to cry.
    2008-09-10 15:49:46
    297.   MonkeyBlue
    Figures that SF bullpen blow it.
    2008-09-10 15:50:01
    298.   Tripon
    New Pepsi Max commercial was actually good.

    What is Love indeed.

    2008-09-10 15:50:54
    299.   sporky
    If Brandon Lyon is warming up, I have hope.
    2008-09-10 15:51:23
    300.   Bob Timmermann
    Lyon pitched the 8th! He stands to get the win!
    Show/Hide Comments 301-350
    2008-09-10 15:51:23
    301.   DodgerBakers
    Angel fans rejoice. 7-6 Seattle in the 6th
    2008-09-10 15:51:29
    302.   underdog
    299 - He's already been in, alas.
    2008-09-10 15:51:42
    303.   Alex41592
    299 - Brandon Lyon pitched the eighth inning, but Melvin double switched to get him in the game. So, he'll probably pitch the ninth as well.
    2008-09-10 15:51:50
    304.   trainwreck
    I also remember him coaching Atlanta for some reason.
    2008-09-10 15:52:22
    305.   Tripon
    pray for Big John Rauch.
    2008-09-10 15:52:28
    306.   trainwreck
    Oh yeah, because he came out of retirement to play there.
    2008-09-10 15:52:30
    307.   Lexinthedena
    Steve DeBerg wore a mullet as Chief....I remember thinking as a kid "man, he looks old" then he played for like 9 years later...


    2008-09-10 15:53:04
    308.   cargill06
    Where Rob Nenn when you need him?

    Brian Wilson is the scum that grows on scum.

    2008-09-10 15:53:53
    309.   overkill94
    Time for SF's murderer's row of Sandoval, Molina, and Ishikawa to take matters into their own hands!
    2008-09-10 15:54:07
    310.   Bob Timmermann
    I don't know if Rauch is going to pitch in an important game for Arizona again unless the number in the innings column reads "16"
    2008-09-10 15:54:20
    311.   Alex41592
    It is Lyon.
    2008-09-10 15:54:49
    312.   68elcamino427
    Loney and Kemp are back in the lineup for tonight's game
    2008-09-10 15:54:56
    313.   Alex41592
    Adam Dunn is now at first base. 1 out.
    2008-09-10 15:55:11
    314.   JoeyP
    I refuse to believe any team with Julio Lugo on it is a Moneyball team.

    They employ Bill James & Theo.

    Doesnt get much more sabermetric than that.

    2008-09-10 15:55:12
    315.   blue22
    Brian Wilson needs to go to his room and not come out for, like, 3 years.
    2008-09-10 15:55:29
    316.   Alex41592
    Martin, C

    Ethier, RF

    Manny, LF

    Blake, 3B

    Loney, 1B

    Kemp, CF

    DeWitt, 2B

    Berroa, SS

    Lowe, P

    2008-09-10 15:56:06
    317.   Alex41592
    Molina base hit. Rohlinger will run.
    2008-09-10 15:56:25
    318.   DodgerBakers
    Bengie singles! The hope stays alive!
    2008-09-10 15:56:46
    319.   oshea2002
    Brian Wilson is a complete joke. His all star spot should be retroactively stricken from the record.
    2008-09-10 15:57:39
    320.   Tripon
    316 Surprised that Berroa's still in there. Guess Nomar can only play 3 innings of SS.
    2008-09-10 15:58:26
    321.   Alex41592
    Runner at second with two outs for Rowand.
    2008-09-10 15:58:46
    322.   DodgerBakers
    Okay Rowand, 2 run home run, you can do it!

    I cannot believe I'm cheering on a SF Giant that I don't own on my fantasy team.

    2008-09-10 15:59:52
    323.   underdog
    Nomar is not gonna get many more starts at SS, he'll only get in there for an inning or two when needed. It's clear the Dodgers now see what we did two weeks ago, which is that he can't field with much consistency over there at short.

    Anyway, good lineup overall.

    2008-09-10 16:00:12
    324.   Eric Stephen
    Guess Nomar can only play 3 innings of SS.

    I don't know if Nomar can play 3 innings; he only played SS in the 7th last night.

    2008-09-10 16:00:32
    325.   sporky
    Another Velez walkoff...?
    2008-09-10 16:00:43
    326.   MonkeyBlue
    Look like Lyon do not want any part of Rowand.
    2008-09-10 16:00:46
    327.   thinkblue88
    Woohoo! Brandon Lyon not throwing very good! Keep it up!
    2008-09-10 16:00:51
    328.   Alex41592
    Rowand walks. 1st and 2nd for Velez.
    2008-09-10 16:01:12
    329.   fanerman
    Brian Wilson WPA: -.656
    2008-09-10 16:01:49
    330.   underdog
    It's up to Velez, who looks either like he's 10 or 100, depending on the angle.
    2008-09-10 16:02:03
    331.   ucladodger
    The DBACK killer is up...
    2008-09-10 16:02:26
    332.   ToyCannon
    Brian Wilson is not leaving Dodger fans with good vibrations.
    2008-09-10 16:02:52
    333.   sporky
    2008-09-10 16:03:10
    334.   thinkblue88
    2008-09-10 16:03:17
    335.   Alex41592
    VELEZ!!!! AGAIN!



    2008-09-10 16:03:20
    336.   Eric Stephen
    Eugenio Velez is my hero!
    2008-09-10 16:03:24
    337.   Jacob L
    Woo hoo!
    2008-09-10 16:03:24
    338.   underdog
    LOL. Velez comes through, and Lyon stinks even worse than Wilson.


    I almost feel sorry for the Dbacks there. Really.


    2008-09-10 16:03:25
    339.   MonkeyBlue
    2008-09-10 16:03:31
    340.   BlueCrew Bruin
    WooHOOOO Giants!!

    I think I just violated a few rules.

    2008-09-10 16:03:34
    341.   DodgerBakers
    HAHA!! Go Velez!
    2008-09-10 16:03:37
    342.   ToyCannon
    I assume something good just happened or Sporky just discovered the washing machine.
    2008-09-10 16:03:43
    343.   ucladodger
    Eugenio Velez is my favorite player!!!!!!!!!
    2008-09-10 16:03:44
    344.   Eric Stephen
    God only knows why he's still the closer.
    2008-09-10 16:03:49
    345.   oshea2002
    You all keep your Ethier man crush. Give me Eugenio Velez.
    2008-09-10 16:03:57
    346.   njr
    2008-09-10 16:03:58
    347.   bhsportsguy
    333 What, no squee?

    That's going to be a very quiet plane ride to Arizona.

    2008-09-10 16:04:00
    348.   sporky
    Velez has leapfrogged Bengie. I love you, Eugenio.
    2008-09-10 16:04:12
    349.   fanerman
    Velez WPA: .955
    2008-09-10 16:04:14
    350.   surfing slug
    Velez 4 prez!!!
    Show/Hide Comments 351-400
    2008-09-10 16:04:15
    351.   thinkblue88
    The DBACKS lost!! yess!!!
    2008-09-10 16:04:28
    352.   ImprobableImpossible
    Sorry, Bob's fantasy team.

    Go Dodgers!

    2008-09-10 16:04:29
    353.   underdog
    You know things are going bad for your team when Eugenio Velez beats you in the 9th inning - two games in a row. Sad state of affairs for the DBacks. And I'm fine with that.
    2008-09-10 16:04:31
    354.   Bob Timmermann
    And I would have caught Sam DC's seven-year old son in pitching wins if the DBacks had held on!


    2008-09-10 16:04:37
    355.   overkill94
    All hail Eugenio Velez and the incompetent D-Backs bullpen!
    2008-09-10 16:04:48
    356.   Gen3Blue
    Just Amazing.
    2008-09-10 16:04:49
    357.   Ken Noe
    There's a moral here about building a decent bullpen.
    2008-09-10 16:05:07
    358.   Eric Stephen
    2008-09-10 16:05:16
    359.   Harold M Johnson
    Have you no self respect? Never cheer for the Giants except on the most indirect way possible. It's unbecoming.
    2008-09-10 16:05:17
    360.   sporky
    Wilson owes Lyon a nice steak dinner.
    2008-09-10 16:05:22
    361.   ToyCannon
    I'd say that not only did Byrnes screw up the Carlos Quentin deal, he really ate it on the Jose Valverde deal.
    2008-09-10 16:05:29
    362.   ucladodger
    Eugenio Velez has helped the Dodgers more this year than Andruw Jones and Jason Schmidt ($35 mil) combined. 2 walk off hits in a row, including all 4 RBI tonight. He has earned the nickname of DBACK KILLER!!!!
    2008-09-10 16:05:43
    363.   bhsportsguy
    342 Lyon pitches around Rowand to put runners on 1st and 2nd with two out, gets ahead on two great curve balls to go 0-2 on Velez and then tries to throw a fastball by him, he hits the ball right where SCY hit his triple and both runners score without play. 4-3 Giants.
    2008-09-10 16:06:21
    364.   underdog
    359 - Indirect, indeed. I switched off the game as soon as it was over, feeling a little mixed up inside, even queasy and shameful.
    2008-09-10 16:06:22
    365.   Linkmeister
    If the particle collider didn't cause a black hole, that hit by Velez is likely to, at least in Phoenix.


    2008-09-10 16:06:37
    366.   Lexinthedena
    359 Thank you! what you should be doing is cheering Brandon Lyon.
    2008-09-10 16:06:51
    367.   bhsportsguy
    358 So are you going or staying home tonight?
    2008-09-10 16:07:33
    368.   Xeifrank
    Letting Jose Valverde walk may be coming back to bite the DBacks.
    vr, Xei
    2008-09-10 16:07:36
    369.   sporky
    :) :) :)
    2008-09-10 16:07:47
    370.   thinkblue88
    Exactly. People cheering for the Giants? Disgusting.

    Cheer because the D Backs lost!

    2008-09-10 16:07:52
    371.   underdog
    Okay off to try to do 3 hours of work so I can catch the Dodgers game later without guilt.
    2008-09-10 16:08:28
    372.   ToyCannon
    I'd really not pitch Clayton in Colorado now. Give it to Josh Johnson and our bullpen numbers and just hope we outscore them one game.

    We really need Clayton to pitch in the playoffs. At the least as a four inning sub for Maddux and hope we can score more then 4 runs.

    2008-09-10 16:08:40
    373.   Tripon
    Giants Thoughts is hilarious.
    2008-09-10 16:10:11
    374.   regfairfield
    Valverde hasn't exactly been dominant this year. Arizona took the same absurd bullpen that carried them last year and swapped Valverde for Qualls and Ruach. They lost the middle relief lottery this year.
    2008-09-10 16:10:42
    375.   overkill94
    372 We traded for Josh Johnson! Sweet!
    2008-09-10 16:10:56
    376.   Xeifrank
    I have no problem cheering for the Giants or any other team, if it helps our team. The Giants and fans of other teams hate our team(s) because they are jealous of our life style, weather etc..., I prefer ignoring them than giving them a reaction.
    vr, Xei
    2008-09-10 16:11:03
    377.   Gen3Blue
    When the snakes overtook 3-2 I just assumed it was over and then looked up to see a bunch of Giants jumping around celebrating.Could it truly be that things even out in the long run?
    2008-09-10 16:12:39
    378.   ImprobableImpossible
    People cheering for the Giants? Disgusting.

    Cheer because it helps the Dodgers!


    2008-09-10 16:14:01
    379.   Alex41592
    Arizona's last nine road games:

    Arizona swept by the Padres on the road.

    Arizona swept by the Dodgers on the road.

    Arizona swept by the Giants on the road.

    2008-09-10 16:14:25
    380.   Eric Stephen
    Staying home. The dulcet tones of Matthew Vasgersian will have to guide my path.
    2008-09-10 16:14:26
    381.   Tripon
    Way I look at it, those same Giants took 2 our of 3 against the Dodgers off of Kuo and Broxton. These games were already evened out a long time ago.
    2008-09-10 16:16:10
    382.   Alex41592
    The D'Backs have lost their last 10 road games.
    2008-09-10 16:16:51
    383.   Kuo-fax
    2008-09-10 16:17:26
    384.   Alex41592
    The D'Backs next road series is at Coors Field followed by a nice trip to St. Louis.
    2008-09-10 16:17:59
    385.   LogikReader
    Giants win again?! I still cannot believe... what I JUST SAW!!

    I wish they all could be dbacks losses
    I wish they all could be dbacks losses
    I wish they all could be dbacks losses, giiiiiiiiirrrrl!

    2008-09-10 16:18:02
    386.   DaDoughboy

    This definitely takes some of the sting out of out 2 horrendous losses up in the bay...

    2008-09-10 16:20:13
    387.   TellMeTheScoreRickMonday
    Can any of your gurus explain how Velez is awarded a triple rather than a double on that walk-off hit? I'm just wondering what the scoring rule is.
    2008-09-10 16:22:32
    388.   TellMeTheScoreRickMonday
    sorry, "you gurus"
    2008-09-10 16:22:33
    389.   Bob Timmermann
    Did Velez get to third base and touch it?

    If so, it's a triple. Rowand was on first when the play started.

    2008-09-10 16:22:54
    390.   sporky
    I was only watching on Gameday, I imagine Velez was on third when the runner on first scored.
    2008-09-10 16:22:59
    391.   The Dude Abides
    Brandon Lyon can be consoled by the fact that since he came in during the 8th inning and the Snakes took the lead in the 9th, he doesn't get stuck with a blown save.
    2008-09-10 16:23:15
    392.   Bob Timmermann
    Seattle has scored a run in six of their seven at bats today.
    2008-09-10 16:23:25
    393.   GMac In The 909
    378 Between the Giants and nothing, I'll take the A's.
    2008-09-10 16:24:20
    394.   DaDoughboy
    As if the Dodgers weren't playing loose enough already, seeing this going into tonights game must take at least a little of the pressure off of them. Hopefully this is just what Kemp needs to get him off his mini-schneid...
    2008-09-10 16:24:55
    395.   Tripon
    Rays take a 1-0 over Red Sox.
    2008-09-10 16:25:34
    396.   Xeifrank
    Angels a couple outs from clinching?
    vr, Xei
    2008-09-10 16:26:04
    397.   TellMeTheScoreRickMonday
    thanks Bob, the video hasn't loaded for me yet...
    2008-09-10 16:26:07
    398.   Bob Timmermann
    2008-09-10 16:26:25
    399.   Xeifrank
    395. Go Rays! Just playing for HFA and a first round matchup with the AL Central at this point.
    vr, Xei
    2008-09-10 16:27:58
    400.   Alex41592
    396 - Angels are 4 outs from the A.L West title.
    Show/Hide Comments 401-450
    2008-09-10 16:28:08
    401.   TellMeTheScoreRickMonday
    can't tell from the video where velez ended up...
    2008-09-10 16:28:09
    402.   Bob Timmermann
    Four outs to be precise.
    2008-09-10 16:28:27
    403.   The Dude Abides
    Jason Bay just backed up third base on a throw from RF, giving ESPN's guys another excuse to bash Manny. Sutcliffe: "How many times did you see Manny Ramirez back up third base on that type of play?"
    /throws remote at TV
    2008-09-10 16:29:02
    404.   Xeifrank
    402. FOTBP?
    vr, Xei
    2008-09-10 16:30:44
    405.   Alex41592
    Rangers pull to within one run.
    2008-09-10 16:32:18
    406.   Alex41592
    3 outs away for the Angels.
    2008-09-10 16:34:38
    407.   The Dude Abides
    Sutcliffe just did it again. Obviously, it's a very good play by Bay to save the run, but ESPN needs to let go of their Manny-hate.
    2008-09-10 16:38:37
    408.   DaDoughboy
    2008-09-10 16:41:54
    409.   Tripon
    Giles, RF
    Rodriguez, SS
    Kouzmanoff, 3B
    Gonzalez, A, 1B
    Headley, LF
    Venable, CF
    Bard C
    Antonelli, 2B
    Estes, P


    2008-09-10 16:45:40
    410.   Alex41592
    J.J Putz is in to save the game and give the division to the Angels.
    2008-09-10 16:48:12
    411.   Bob Timmermann
    Back in 2005, somebody (and I forget who) would type JAWFA each time Willy Aybar drew a walk.


    It's back from the days when DT was in its infancy and Jon would invited Martha Quinn to be the blog host at times.

    2008-09-10 16:51:31
    412.   Johnny Nucleo
    Count me in on Silverwidow's "Coors on ice for Kershaw" wagon. With the thin air affecting the break on his devastating curveball, he'll be relying largely on fastballs to get by unless he throws more changeups. Combine that with the innings issue and it makes a lot of sense to skip him.
    2008-09-10 16:59:36
    413.   scareduck
    Angels clinch.
    2008-09-10 17:01:50
    414.   UVaDodger
    411 So, if JAWFA is "Just another walk for Aybar" that would make JATFA "?"
    2008-09-10 17:07:29
    415.   sporky
    414 Just another triple for Aybar
    2008-09-10 17:07:57
    416.   unlazy4sports
    414 Well, he did have an RBI triple in the 2nd inning
    2008-09-10 17:15:29
    417.   Bob Timmermann
    I'm curious as to how many games in the majors have seen one team hit a 2-run triple with two outs to go ahead by one run only to lose in the bottom of the ninth on a 2-run triple with two outs.
    2008-09-10 17:17:13
    418.   UVaDodger
    Ok, that makes sense. Now I'll know what JADFA and JASFA mean.
    2008-09-10 17:17:22
    419.   DaDoughboy
    Thanks Bob..ahhh just hearing the name Martha Quinn reminds me of my yonder days of watching "Yo! MTV Raps!" and dressing like Vanilla Ice for all-hallows eve..
    2008-09-10 17:17:41
    420.   Jim Hitchcock
    417 That sounds like a job for Bob Timmermann.
    2008-09-10 17:20:01
    421.   Kevin Lewis

    That would be really frustrating

    2008-09-10 17:21:37
    422.   The Dude Abides
    Actually, it sounds like a job for Jay & Silent Bob Timmerstark.
    2008-09-10 17:23:20
    423.   Ian Capilouto
    I am late to this conversation, but I disagree that they should skip Kershaw's start on account of him having to face Coors Field. If it is for the reason of saving his innings, sure I hear that, but if Clayton is going to be the big time pitcher he is slated to be, he has to take his lumps and figure out a way to win at Coors. The best pitchers learn how to win in adverse conditions and I don't like the idea being put into his head that he can't handle a game in a tough environment.
    2008-09-10 17:25:32
    424.   Tripon

    Giants fans are going a bit crazy for Fred Lewis right now. Just looked up his stats, and he's having a similar year to Kemp. But at LF, and he's 4 years older than Kemp. And Lewis is Dr. Strange Glove reincarnated.

    2008-09-10 17:27:37
    425.   DaDoughboy

    Sure, give him his lumps, but give them to him im June or July, not when the team is up 2 1/2 with 15 games left. There are lumps, and then there are bruises, welts, and sores.

    2008-09-10 17:30:47
    426.   Tripon
    Just switch the Rockies to the AL already.
    2008-09-10 17:31:14
    427.   ToyCannon
    Searching the 2005 Sept Archives for the author of the JAWFA I came across these great minor league updates by Jon.
    Check out what he wrote about Carlos Santana and James McDonald.
    2008-09-10 17:32:10
    428.   Ian Capilouto
    425 Right now, I feel like Kershaw is one of the more dependable pitchers on the staff. Even though he only went 4 innings last start, he still kept them in it for 4. If he gives the Dodgers 5 innings of 4-5 run ball at Coors, I am happy with that.
    2008-09-10 17:32:44
    429.   ToyCannon
    Gotta root for him. He had some tough times, times that I doubt many of us would be able to deal with. He is Lonnie Smith in LF, maybe he can be called SkatesJunior.
    2008-09-10 17:33:52
    430.   ToyCannon
    It is strictly to save his innings and his workload for this season. I'd rather see him pitching in the playoffs then in Coors.
    2008-09-10 17:35:34
    431.   ToyCannon
    Asdrubal Cabrera is one of the hottest hitters in baseball. Smoking, batting ninth.
    2008-09-10 17:41:06
    432.   Bob Timmermann
    Fred Lewis won't play any more this season. Today was his last game. He's going to have bunion surgery.
    2008-09-10 17:41:53
    433.   The Dude Abides
    Brady update: torn ACL, torn MCL
    2008-09-10 17:43:47
    434.   The Dude Abides
    Grrrrr....Gammons won't shut up about the Dodgers signing Varitek and moving Martin to 3B.
    /throws backup remote at screen
    2008-09-10 17:43:49
    435.   Tripon
    Gammons just repeated the Veritek rumor with new info.

    Dodgers moving Martin to 3rd.

    And... a 3 year deal for Veritek.

    throws up hands

    2008-09-10 17:45:45
    436.   DaDoughboy

    You should take off 'hands' at the end of your post.

    2008-09-10 17:46:36
    437.   Tripon
    Why is Gammons the only one pushing the Veritek to Dodgers rumor?
    2008-09-10 17:51:25
    438.   eusmus
    Are you guys doubting ALL-STAR Jason Varitek? The very same man who single-handedly willed Jon Lester and Clay Buchholz to throw no-hitters!? If a seasoned warrior like Varitek was calling games for Chad Billingsley, I could easily see him with a sub-1.00 ERA for 2009.
    2008-09-10 17:52:50
    439.   Alex41592
    Ted Lilly and Yadier Molina collide at home plate. Yadier takes the worst of it but walks it off.
    2008-09-10 17:53:49
    440.   Ian Capilouto
    430 Did Joe Torre personally tell you that?
    2008-09-10 17:58:12
    441.   overkill94
    If that Varitek rumor (especially the 3-year deal thing) is fueled by Ned even thinking about it then he should be fired. I'd rather take my chances with Hu/Dejesus at 2B and DeWitt at 3B than give Varitek even a two-year deal.
    2008-09-10 17:59:31
    442.   Alex41592
    Don't waste your time with that 'rumor'. 3 game lead!
    2008-09-10 18:06:36
    443.   jumanjifan01
    427 Thanks for the link.

    Wow. Chin-Feng Chen will be turning 31 this year. Time sure does fly when you're holding out hope for Dodger prospects.

    2008-09-10 18:06:36
    444.   jumanjifan01
    427 Thanks for the link.

    Wow. Chin-Feng Chen will be turning 31 this year. Time sure does fly when you're holding out hope for Dodger prospects.

    2008-09-10 18:07:20
    445.   overkill94
    442 I try to ignore it but it won't go away! Make the bad man stop!
    2008-09-10 18:13:08
    446.   KG16
    Before I leave the office, I want to weigh in on Kershaw in Coors.

    The way I look at it, in the midst of a pennant race, the question is simple: is Kershaw the best pitcher available to start that day for the Dodgers?

    If the answer is yes, and it should be yes because Lowe and Billingsly would have just thrown, then I say run Kershaw out there.

    Like everyone else, I want to see him have a long and prosperous career with the Blue. But I'm not a big fan of an artificial innings or pitch count. I'm not saying go old school 300 pitches, but I also think that if he's the best available it would be malpractice to not run him out.

    2008-09-10 18:29:52
    447.   Bob Timmermann

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