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It Just Gets Worse for Odalis
2006-05-03 22:58
by Jon Weisman

Odalis Perez is in the Dominican Republic visiting his ailing mother, and I wish them both the best. But whatever country he is in Sunday, the Dodgers may replace him in the starting rotation - as suspected - according to Ken Gurnick at

Dodger manager Grady Little did not do much to spin the situation positively for Perez, wrote Gurnick.

Pressed further on Perez's recent outings, Little said: "We're not in the position of liking people who are getting worse. We need him to be a little more productive."

Gurnick added that because Chad Billingsley pitched tonight, he is unlikely to get the call to start Sunday - it would be on three days rest. Aaron Sele is the most likely candidate for a promotion.

Congratulations are in order for Andre Ethier (walk and first home run), Dioner Navarro (rallying from the nadir), Olmedo Saenz (game-tying three-run homer) and Jae Seo (six innings, one run). The rest of the team ... yikes.

Can anyone tell me if the Dodgers warmed up a reliever when the Padres loaded the bases against Seo with one out in the fifth inning, score tied 1-1?

Comments (76)
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2006-05-03 23:13:33
1.   Bob Timmermann
I am pretty sure that the Dodgers did not have anyone warming up in the 5th. Osoria was warming up in the 6th.
2006-05-03 23:17:30
2.   Greg Brock
I'm trying to find something positive from tonight, and I found it: You're right, Jon, the House M.D. two-parter was fantastic. Long live Mr. Laurie!
2006-05-03 23:18:08
3.   Jon Weisman
2 - Omar Epps was phenomenal.
2006-05-03 23:18:45
4.   oldbear
Whoever starts sunday will get a challenge. The Brewers have a good offense, and sunday afternoons at DS are typically good hitting environments.
2006-05-03 23:20:47
5.   Greg Brock
Yeah, he's really come into his own on the show. Now if they can just replace Jesse Spencer with somebody else, the show will go from perfect to perfecter (yup, I said perfecter). Plus, they re-ran the African American Senator episode last week. Best episode ever.
2006-05-03 23:21:12
6.   Inside Baseball
No one was warming up.

When is it safe to talk about Lost?

2006-05-03 23:24:48
7.   Greg Brock
Jon, since we're on the "Medical TV" tip, I really enjoyed your Variety articles on Grey's anatomy. Also a very good show.
2006-05-03 23:25:12
8.   Voxter
2 & 3:

House is lame. Nothing good happened tonight.

2006-05-03 23:26:16
9.   Voxter
When is it safe to talk about Lost?

Not yet! Some of us were watching the game.

It'll be up on iTunes by tomorrow evening, so anybody who cares will probably have it by then.

2006-05-03 23:26:49
10.   Greg Brock
9- No, nothing good at all...Just a Charles S. Dutton sighting, a wonderful performance by Omar Epps, a few more great one liners, and the continuation of an excellent story arc. Nope, nothin' good at all.
2006-05-03 23:27:32
11.   Inside Baseball
9 No problem.
2006-05-03 23:28:50
12.   underdog
Don't talk about Lost! I TiVo'd it and just got home. Aw heck, never mind, I'll stay up late and watch it now; y'all can talk amongst yourselves here.

Speaking of Lost, how about that Dodgers bullpen? It's more like a soap opera, actually - who will be gone next? I vote Sele comes up, Osoria goes down, OP goes to the bullpen or alternates with Sele as long reliever. And Seo's obviously pitching a lot better but the problem with him is he can't work deep into games, which is what the Dodgers desperately need now.

But I'm gonna watch some Lost now, take my mind of the depression that is the Dodgers record right now, and try think good thoughts starting tomorrow. When I was a kid these were the kinds of weeks for the Dodgers where I would actually cry I cared so much. Thank God I've matured since then.


2006-05-03 23:30:16
13.   Xeifrank
TV Talk = Yawn. I hope Aaron Sele, who is pitching lights out in AAA gets the call up to replace Odalis if need be. The Dodgers had/have a gentlemen's agreement with Sele to call him up by May 1st or release him. I'm sure he wouldn't mind taking a chance on the expiration date. Sim predicts winning team again. Sorry. vr, Xei
2006-05-03 23:33:08
14.   Voxter
10 - I've never watched an episode of lost without being at least 90% certain what was going to happen -- and that Hugh Laurie's American accent would waver comically before the episode was over.

But there's no use arguing. We clearly have different tastes.

2006-05-03 23:33:44
15.   Voxter
Excuse me, an episode of "House".
2006-05-03 23:36:30
16.   Greg Brock
Well, I knew what was going to happen in every episode of "Greatest American Hero," but that never stopped me (tear falls for childhood). And I think Hugh Laurie's accent is pretty spot on. Everyone I talked to (except for Adder fans) didn't even know he was a Brit.
2006-05-03 23:37:49
17.   Xeifrank
Great line from 6-4-2
Franquelis Osoria is Spanish for "run donor"
vr, Xei
2006-05-03 23:38:47
18.   Greg Brock
Before you yawn over TV talk, I remind you that the previous thread had roughly 4,546 posts on MEN'S HEIGHT! What was that all about?
2006-05-03 23:39:25
19.   Voxter
Everyone I talked to (except for Adder fans) didn't even know he was a Brit.

Too much Jeeves & Wooster, I suppose. That, and the fact that I find his accent laughable.

2006-05-03 23:41:26
20.   Greg Brock
19-You've just seen him too many times from the BBC. As Beane would say, "Objectivity is paramount when evaluating your talent." If you didn't know, I'd wager you wouldn't know. But I could be wrong.
2006-05-03 23:44:30
21.   Voxter
But I could be wrong.

Ah, there's a possibility that we're both wrong. My friend Shahms says he notices the accent every time. But that might just be because I shouted, "Oh my god, it's Wooster!", and then changed the channel to "Veronica Mars" the first time either of us saw the show.

Wavering accent aside, I think Hugh Laurie is the bomb in just about anything. I just don't much care for procedural doctor shows.

2006-05-03 23:45:08
22.   Bob Timmermann
I'm 6'5" by the way.
2006-05-03 23:46:28
23.   Greg Brock
2006-05-03 23:48:46
24.   Voxter
22 -

I don't believe you.

Anyway, I could still cyber-beat you up.

2006-05-03 23:57:42
25.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Tonight was my first visit to DS in two years. A few notes:
1. I like the color scheme of the seats, and the OF wall. Not a fan of the paint job atop the dugouts.
2. My Dodger Dog was soggy, yet tasty. But if presentation means much, then I can't offer my recommendation.
3. Saenz's jack was a great moment.
4. Eveything that followed was a bad moment. Although Osoria's outing (single, homer, homer, single, single) gave my girlfriend an opportunity to translate the Spanish heckling from a few rows behind us.
5. What is wrong with Kent? It may be time to move him down to the 6-hole.
6. Finally, a shout-out to my fellow Sun Devil, Andre Ethier, for his first ML home run. May this be the first of many, 'Dre.
2006-05-04 00:00:32
26.   caseybarker
Wasn't Osoria the pitcher for the seventh and eigth on Sunday? There was talk that he had turned the corner.
2006-05-04 00:02:19
27.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
26 - He turned the corner, only to fall into an open manhole.
2006-05-04 00:06:07
28.   Bob Timmermann
There is a place to talk about "Lost" on the Griddle if you so choose.
2006-05-04 00:27:17
29.   fanerman
Can we make The Griddle the official place to talk about Lost? I plan on watching the show over summer (I have yet to see an episode).
2006-05-04 00:44:05
30.   Bob Timmermann
I can't decide for Jon. Such questions have to be referred to the Toaster World Council. A council of elders will make the decision.
2006-05-04 01:14:48
31.   dsfan
Kent is ready for a job in politics. He helps Ned get the GM job, then leverages him for $11.5 million guaranteed. Impressive. Most guys Kent's age who are coming off surgery don't get contract extensions. Kent gets one, plus a raise. I hope he bats often enough to trigger the incentive, squeezing even more money out of Ned and Frank and Jamie.
2006-05-04 01:16:33
32.   dsfan
I'd call up Sele before Billingsley. Could be worth millions down the road. I'd give Billingsley extra rest in Triple-A, call him up in June or July, then turn him loose, possibly as a reliever.
2006-05-04 01:29:04
33.   Steve
A Jerry sighting! Tell him to call me next time he shows up.

Mike Piazza was up four times tonight, and booed (fairly loudly) four times tonight. I was shocked and appalled.

2006-05-04 01:56:11
34.   Andrew Shimmin
This time I checked Dodger Math before weighing in. If Odalis loses his rotation spot (the third spot, even), over a bad month, Grittle could be the "King of small sample sizes." Which portends well for the future, I'd think. It's not like Odalis has got that far to go to becoming a full blown headcase. But jerking him around is probably a good way of dealing with that.

I think Odalis will come around to being the crummy but passable SP he's been, while not hurt. I think Kent will come around to be most of what he has been. It's possible they've both collapsed entirely, but that's got to be very unlikely.

2006-05-04 07:42:01
35.   Sushirabbit
I was really epecting more from OP this season. He has had his moments, but can't seem to stay focused.

I've been watching the catchers alot lately. It's disappointing. For instance did anyone notice on the squeeze last night, that had Navarro been back at the plate, Seo would have likely gotten the out? (Not clear because the umpire might or might not have been in the way of the throw, which he was in the play, but had Navarro been back further he might have been out of the way).

Also, both Alomar and Navarro seem sort of twitchy behind the plate-- as opposed to say Piazza, Pudge, or even Miller. Just wondering if anyone has any other observations/thoughts on that.

2006-05-04 08:11:57
36.   Sam DC
How could anyone get any joy out of booing Mike Piazza at Dodger Stadium? What's wrong with people?

Man, I'm just in a foul mood today.

2006-05-04 08:14:14
37.   ToyCannon
From Rotowire on our old friend:
Hee Seop Choi (1B) BOS 5/4/2006
Choi's (hamstring) rehab stint at Triple-A Pawtucket reached the maximum 20 days as of Wednesday, meaning the Red Sox must now make a decision whether to option him to Pawtucket or recall him to Boston, the Boston Globe reports. Choi, who is hitting .313 (21-for-67) with three homers, 12 RBI and 15 runs in 19 games, still has an option left. But because he debuted more than three years ago, he must clear major league (revocable) waivers to be sent to the minors.
2006-05-04 08:15:03
38.   ToyCannon
As someone with great wisdom noted here the other day "people are studid".
2006-05-04 08:15:45
39.   heato
I didn't see the game last night. Did Seo really look like he had hurt his hand?
2006-05-04 08:21:31
40.   Marty
I thought that was a great episode of Lost. A lot of surprises for me.
2006-05-04 08:22:44
41.   Vishal
i wouldn't say i'm shocked, but i am certainly appalled. piazza doesn't deserve to be booed.

so anyway, i saw some of you were mentioning it last night; i went to the syracuse skychiefs vs. pawtucket red sox game last night. playing were former 2 dodger first basemen, hee seop choi and jason phillips. hee seop had 2 hits, but ended up striking out 3 times. twice looking, i think, and at least one of those on a full count. he had 6 at-bats and in every single one he took the first pitch for a called strike, so he was starting out behind in the count all night.

jason phillips was, well, jason phillips, and naturally he sucked. had an error from not being able to catch the ball, struck out a couple of times swinging at crap, and had an 0-fer. i did get to see him stick out his chest running out a grounder, though. that brought me back.

pawsox won 6-5 in 12 innings. other interesting/familiar names in the game: adam stern, craig hansen, and dustin pedroia, and major league veterans enrique wilson and ben weber.

i was hoping to get an interview with hee seop, but apparently he doesn't really do any, and i had no credentials anyway. he did sign some baseballs and such for people though.

2006-05-04 08:28:40
42.   Steve
Piazza smoked one into right center, which sparked the guys behind me to start talking about the hardest balls they have ever seen hit. Canseco's WS shot was discussed and a couple that Piazza hit. My candidate was a laser beam he hit in San Diego the night that we clinched the West in 1995. My roommate and I had driven down for the festivities, and Piazza hit a ball that had virtually no trajectory -- just a line shot that appeared to clear the wall by about five feet vertically, but had it not hit the stands, may have continued to simply circle the earth ad infinitum.
2006-05-04 08:32:45
43.   scareduck
When is it safe to talk about Lost?

Uh, never?

2006-05-04 08:39:57
44.   Bob Timmermann
Tentatively, you can talk about Lost on the Griddle in the thread I have there.

Pending the approval of the Toaster World Council.

2006-05-04 08:43:12
45.   Vishal
[42] the pujols shot off brad lidge from last year's nlcs is up there. my jaw literally dropped when i saw it. i'm surprised the ball didn't just spontaneously combust, he hit it so hard.
2006-05-04 08:46:16
46.   underdog
30 44 Wasn't that the first 35 minutes of Star Wars: The Phantom Menace?
2006-05-04 08:53:55
47.   Kayaker7
41 According to gameday, Pawtucket lost 6-7 in the 11th.
2006-05-04 08:57:49
48.   Vishal
[47] hah, whoops! that's what i get for leaving after 10 1/2 :) and then misremembering the inning number.
2006-05-04 08:58:09
49.   Bob Timmermann

Yes, it will be like that movie. Minus Natalie Portman.

2006-05-04 08:58:24
50.   Sam DC
46 And a Happy Star Wars Day to you too! May the fourth be with you . . .
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2006-05-04 09:09:52
51.   Brent T
After the first 4-game losing streak of the season, I usually lose a little hope. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe every Dodger team since 1988 has lost at least 4-in-a-row at some point. The beloved 1988 Dodgers never did, and so this has been my harbinger.
2006-05-04 09:10:15
52.   Sam DC
(well, no great shock that that killed the discussion)
2006-05-04 09:12:24
53.   Humma Kavula
42 I saw McGwire hit his homer out of Dodger Stadium. This was in '98, I think, during his run for 70.

If I remember it correctly -- or, rather, if my eyes weren't fooling me -- he crushed the thing to left. There was never any doubt about it, of course... it was extraordinarily high and deep. Then it bounced once on the roof of the pavilion and into the parking lot.

Again, if I'm remembering correctly, they said at the time that it was the fourth ball hit out of the Stadium -- Stargell had done it and Piazza had done it twice.

2006-05-04 09:13:03
54.   fanerman
Why is today Star Wars day?
2006-05-04 09:14:52
55.   Humma Kavula
go to and find out why.
2006-05-04 09:29:07
56.   underdog
This was an interesting tidbit in the Toronto paper today:

"One of our regular readers, Manny, from Japan, was wondering our take on the worst trade in Blue Jays history. His own view is that J.P. Ricciardi's shipping of relief pitcher Paul Quantrill and shortstop Cesar Izturis to the Los Angeles Dodgers for starting pitcher Luke Prokopec and minor-league hurler Chad Ricketts is the worst swap.

Hard to disagree with him, since the Dodgers offered the Jays a choice between Prokopec and Eric Gagne, who went on to have some of the best seasons by a closer in major league history. Quantrill had a couple of more years of effective relief, while Izturis became a Gold Glove shortstop — something the Jays have badly lacked.

Prokopec didn't even last half a season with the Jays and was awful before injuries ended his career. The best that can be said about Ricketts was that he was from Waterloo, Ont., but he never made it beyond Triple-A with the Jays and was traded to Colorado for the equivalent of some batting helmets in 2004." [go to the site for the rest]

2006-05-04 09:36:20
57.   Bob Timmermann
I thought that Dan Evans denied offering Gagne to Toronto.

Toronto doesn't have a really bad history of making trades and they were able to fleece the Yankees out of Fred McGriff for Dale Murray.

The did get rid of John Olerud in exchange for Robert Person.

2006-05-04 09:43:29
58.   Sam DC
Doesn't get much wierder than this; glad no one was hurt: "The girlfriend of a Washington Nationals player Jo[s]e Guillen fought off a robber on Wednesday after she was mugged and had $12,000 stolen from her in northeast D.C."


2006-05-04 09:43:47
59.   blue22
42 - Piazza hit one in the old 3 Rivers stadium to dead center field once. Just absolutely clobbered a high, outside fastball to dead center, reaching the elevated seats above the batters backdrop.

I think it was '94 or '95, but don't think it was our playoff series against the Reds.

57 - Anybody of note get sent out in any of the numerous Roberto Alomar or Rickey Henderson transactions? David Cone?

2006-05-04 09:44:24
60.   blue22
59 - Make that Riverfront. Cincinnatti.
2006-05-04 09:46:43
61.   Pedro Guerrero
Re: 7 I enjoy the Grey's Anatomy articles too. I must say that although I am a big fan of GA, I am disappointed by the portrayal/absence of Asian American men on that show.

I know that the show's producer Shonda Rhimes is a black female and she has the prerogative to create characters as she pleases. But it's just not realistic to have 0 Asian American male interns/doctors on that show and 3 Black doctors when:

1. The show is set in Seattle, which has a high Asian population.
2. The show is set in the medical field, where there is a high Asian representation.

I've seen a few episodes where there was an Asian male on the show and each time, the portrayal was negative and stereotypical:

1. The translator for the Japanese female eating champion -- he ignores the doctors' advice and tells her that her condition is ok, threatening her life. He later apologizes when the white guy Alex scolds him.
2. The Hmong father who refuses to let his daughter receive treatment for a life-threatening condition unless she undergoes a traditional ritual. The daughter is saved again by a white guy when Patrick Dempsey's character flies in a Hmong shaman by helicopter.
3. The boyfriend of the gay bartender at the bar across the street is Asian.

The absence of Asian males on that show also says a lot.
1. The Asian girl in the wheelchair who wants Alex, the white guy, to kiss her for her first kiss.
2. When Sandra Oh's mother comes to visit, her Asian father is noticeably missing. Of course, it's because the mother got divorced and remarried a white guy.

I don't think I'm arguing nonsensically for Asian male representation -- like saying there should be more Asians on the Jamie Foxx show. People criticized Friends for not having more people of color (at least until Aisha Tyler came on) but it's perfectly reasonable for a group of white friends to only hang out with white friends. For GA, this is Seattle and the medical field we're talking about. The relative absence and poor portrayal of Asian men on that show is a big flaw and needs to be addressed.

2006-05-04 09:46:47
62.   Jon Weisman
56 - Whether it's revisionist history or not, both sides in that trade have denied that Gagne was on the table.
2006-05-04 09:47:06
63.   Bob Timmermann
The Blue Jays traded three players to the Royals to get David Cone. The best one was Chris Stynes.

He was traded later in the season to the Yankees for three guys who never did anything.

2006-05-04 09:55:20
64.   blue22
For a long time in the late 80s/early 90s, the Toronto farm system was so good that it seemed like there were players on every team with ties back to the Toronto organization.

Pretty impressive that they don't have any/many regrets on trades made during that period. The two WS-titles aren't too shabby either.

2006-05-04 09:58:57
65.   Kayaker7
61 Sounds like "Joy Luck Club." There wasn't a single Asian male shown in a positive light in that movie.
2006-05-04 10:06:27
66.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2006-05-04 10:12:04
67.   DodgerDodger
53 - During the Cubs series I sat next to a man who's been a season ticket holder for over 30 years. He said he'd seen Pedro Guerrero hit one into the parking lot.

Hardest hit ball I've ever seen hit was Manny Ramierez in Fenway. He swung, and by the time you had a chance to look up and see where it went, it was already over the Monster. Actually landed on the Pike (as opposed to bouncing off the roof of the Cask & Flagon). Easily 550 ft.

2006-05-04 10:22:05
68.   Eric Enders
61 was a rather thought-provoking post for someone with a 60 IQ.
2006-05-04 10:32:54
69.   Pedro Guerrero
Besides hitting .300 and flexing my index finger, I like to ruminate on the urgent socio-cultural issues of our times.
2006-05-04 10:46:31
70.   Jon Weisman
You make some really good points there, though I question how "3. The boyfriend of the gay bartender at the bar across the street is Asian." is being negative or stereotypical against Asian men.

Not that I care, but just for the sake of argument, where are the Jews? Is Alex supposed to be Jewish?

In any case, Shonda Rhimes has said she

2006-05-04 10:50:26
71.   Jon Weisman
... does color-blind casting. And I don't think race has been a big issue among the regulars. The race of the actors is mostly incidental as far as storylines go. Make of that what you will.
2006-05-04 10:53:00
72.   Steve
But do you know where your girlfriend is?
2006-05-04 10:53:36
73.   Steve
No. That's not right. It's:

But do you know where O.J. Simpson's girlfriend is?

2006-05-04 11:11:36
74.   BruceR
The hardest ball Tim Salmon ever saw hit came off the bat of the NoCal idiot in the '02 Series. Stood in front of that tunnel in Anaheim Stadium's right field pavillion the following year. Idiot or no ... juiced or no ... man, is that a long way.
2006-05-04 11:21:50
75.   das411
Hardest ball I've ever seen hit was most likely in the 1996 Home Run Derby. I was in the upper deck at the old Vet, waaaaay up in the 700 level in LF, and two dudes named Bonds and McGwire definitely kept us awake!

63 - Um....Bob, didn't the Jays trade some punk 2B prospect to the Mets for Cone in '92?

2006-05-04 11:22:15
76.   underdog
62 (and Bob) Right, that did seem a rather shocking revelation there; I really feel the Dodgers did not ultimately seriously intend on offering Gagne, he was probably just mentioned, or Toronto had asked for him and the Dodgers laughed, something along those lines. It was a pretty bad trade for Toronto, though. I originally thought the Jason/Jayson trade was bad for LA, because Frasor looked like the real deal, and then Werth looked like the real deal and I quickly changed my tune, only to see Werth's career unfortunately sidetracked with his nagging injury issues, so, that one's a wash?

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