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OPS by Position Update
2006-05-22 16:33
by Jon Weisman

Considering how well the Dodgers have been doing lately, the fact that they're even or down in OPS at six positions compared to April 17 indicates how bad things got on offense for a while.

Dodger OPS by Position (Through April 17/Today)
P: .248/.273
C: .825/.795
1B: .766/.953
2B: .775/.773
3B: .990/.829
SS: .594/.636
LF: .952/.839
CF: .854/.797
RF: 1.097/.946
PH: .591/.695

* * *

Tonight's Game

This is the first major league game with opposing starting pitchers from Korea, according to the Dodger press notes.

Nomar Garciaparra is getting the night off, with Olmedo Saenz replacing him and batting third. The six-seven-eight rookie combo remains intact.

Comments (316)
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2006-05-22 16:40:16
1.   blue22
Let's hear it for Nomar, Furcal, and the bench.

What's the meaning behind 4/17?

2006-05-22 16:46:30
2.   Jon Weisman
That's the last date I checked the positional OPS stats.

2006-05-22 16:46:56
3.   Jacob L
Well, good for Nomar at least. All Furcal has done is go from horrendous to merely poor.

Also, Jon's right that this is a bit deceiving. It looks like Kent has been very steady.

What's the overall team OPS for the two time periods? About the same?

2006-05-22 16:51:32
4.   Uncle Miltie
Furcal in May:
.296/.367/.444 .811

He's been solid this month. He's even driven in 13 runs.

2006-05-22 16:52:17
5.   Linkmeister
I don't get to see it, for some reason. Prime Ticket doesn't have it; instead we get Angels/Rangers in about ten minutes, with a replay of that game six hours later. Snarl.
2006-05-22 16:58:42
6.   Humma Kavula
tonight's game is on kcal, not prime ticket.
2006-05-22 17:01:23
7.   Linkmeister
6 Right. And KCAL is a Southern California station, while I'm 2,200 miles west of there. ;)
2006-05-22 17:04:54
8.   Humma Kavula
What you need is 2,200 miles of wiring and somebody on the inside at KCAL.
2006-05-22 17:07:28
9.   bhsportsguy
I have no way of knowing this for sure but these early season weeknight games on KCAL may have more to do with the Lakers not being in the playoffs although I think at some point, the national cable network gets exclusive rights.

The one thing I like about this season's games on Fox is that you get a replay for those of us who like to stay up and watch Ethier hit it out again.

2006-05-22 17:10:20
10.   Linkmeister
8 Well, there is a trans-pacific phone cable, I think. I don't think I know anyone at KCAL, although what with the turnover of news/sports departments out here it's not impossible. ;)
2006-05-22 17:12:28
11.   Humma Kavula
Yeah, but you probably don't want to mess around with the trans-pacific phone cable. I don't know the definiton of "wire fraud," but I'll bet that the gummint could find something to charge you with. Better to get your own cable. How much could 2,200 miles of copper wire POSSIBLY cost?
2006-05-22 17:12:49
12.   Bob Timmermann
Local stations lose their rights to show NBA playoff games after the first round.

That's why you can't find the Clippers on their over-the-air station now, which is KTLA. Not that they admitted that until the playoffs. ;-)

The Ducks over-the-air station was KDOC.

2006-05-22 17:14:44
13.   Bob Timmermann
I also believe KCAL WANTED to show more Dodger games than KCOP. KCOP had commitments to that sweet, sweet UPN programming. KCAL doesn't have anything that it has to show. It's really just KCBS-light now. Channels 2 and 9 share their news departments.
2006-05-22 17:15:27
14.   Jon Weisman
Anyone watching the Angels? Gameday would seem to imply that Figgins scored from first on a single.
2006-05-22 17:17:18
15.   Bob Timmermann

That doesn't seem hard to believe when you realize that there were two outs and Garret Anderson was batting.

2006-05-22 17:17:25
16.   Xeifrank
Any chance you could compare it to the OPS by position last year? Could be the final OPS at each position if that makes it any easier. Would be interesting to see the comparisons. vr, Xei
2006-05-22 17:20:12
17.   Xeifrank
I predict that both the Clippers and Dodgers win by the same amount tonight. Well... I can dream can't I????? vr, Xei
2006-05-22 17:20:44
18.   Jon Weisman
15 - Sad.

16 - I could do so as easily as subbing 2005 for 2006 in each link when you open it up. But no time for that now. I've been distracted enough as it is...

2006-05-22 17:29:22
19.   Marty
I missed the earlier thread so I'll put it on this one. I hope Sam reads this. Horse racing was a very big deal for me for many years. I grew just a couple miles from Santa Anita and my dad used to take me a lot in the 1960's. It seemed like such a glorious, yet exotic place. I loved the excitement of standing at the betting lines, wondering if we would get our bets (my dad would put $2 down for me on any horse I wanted) down in time. The last two minutes before post time were an exciting race against the clock for me. This was my first experience with my life-long love of gambling.

We'd usually be in the general admission, but occasionally dad would spring for the club house. That made me feel very priveledged. The corn beef sandwiches just seemed to taste better. But the thing with the clubhouse was, you couldn't see the race that well if you wanted to actually see the horses. You were past the finish line. If you wanted to see the finish, it had to be general admission and fighting the crowds. Another fun thing would be to line up on the tunnel entrance to the track and watch the horses come out as the bugler played the traditional song. What was the name of that song?

Willie Shoemaker and Walter Blum were my my favorite Jockies then. It used to really disappoint me when people along the tunnel would boo them. Most likely because they'd lost money on them the previous race. Race track patrons will boo anyone.

After my father died I still went to the track semi-regularly all through the eighties. The last time I was really hooked was when I saw this 2-year-old filly named Landaluce run an unbelievable time in her first race, then do it again her second race. She then destroyed every horse she ran against for about 4 more races. Just when the racing world was really getting on her bandwagon, she came down with an inbfection and died a day or so later. Like that it was over. This weekend's story about Barbero reminded me of Landaluce. The only other horse that I really got excited about since then was Sunday Silence.

Then, sometime in the 90's I just lost interest in the horses. I'd watch the triple crown races and pay attention to who the best horse from the west coast was, but never cared about going out to the track. I'm not sure why. I just seemed to have moved on. Maybe because none of my friend's cares about racing and one very good friend thinks it's cruel to the horses. I don't know. I'm sure Santa Anita is still a fun place to visit. Maybe I should check it out during the Oak Tree meet.

2006-05-22 17:32:59
20.   Bob Timmermann
The song the bugler plays is entitled "Call to the Post."
2006-05-22 17:43:35
21.   LAT
Hey Marty I don't know if you saw my post in the other thread, but at the risk of annoying others I will re-post. Its similiar to yours, except I was not a Shoe fan I was a Laffit fan.

Sam, I am a big racing fan although I have been on a very cold streak my last few trips to the track. Perhaps the best evidence of this was my post on DT a few hours before the Preakness:

*162. LAT
I will be very suprised if Barbaro doesn't win the Preakness easily. Only a bad trip can stop him but with such a small field that is unlikly. Brother Derrick will have a better trip then the Derby and they will finish 1-2. I would use those two on top with everyone else on the bottom of the trifecta.*

I got into horse racing because I had a 5 foot nothing, 250 lbs, cigar chomping grandfather who loved the races. Took me to Hollywood Park as a kid. I remember seeing Laffit and thought he was the greatest jock ever. I didn't care about the Shoe only Laffit. I was there when he broke the record and still have the program and a half dozen winning tickets I won't cash.

Up until last year when Hollywood Park was sold, I used to do some of their regulatory work. Compliance with the CHRB and such. In fact, the last thing I did was write an opinion letter as to whether they could bar P. Val from riding after the CHRB had reinstated him (this was before he shaved his entire body to avoid a drug test). Nakatani had convinced some of the other jocks to boycott if Hollywood Park (Churchill Downs) let him ride because P.Val was reckless and a danger to the other jocks. Yeah they were in danger alright, in danger that he was going to take their prize money. P.Val is the Steve Howe of horse racing. If he could have stayed away from the drugs he would have been one of the best to ever. I digress. Yes, I am big fan of horseracing and yes to answer your question from another thread I rely heavily on Byer figures. Any baseball fan who likes stats would have died and gone to heaven reading the past performances.

2006-05-22 17:46:02
22.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 20

Is there a military origin to that bugle call, Bob? I don't see it in a list of the army's current bugle calls.

All the talk about horses reminds me of the fact that at Traveler's tomb (Robert E. Lee's horse during the Civil War) at Washington & Lee, one can find gifts of sugar, oats, and, even, on occasion, a bale of hay.

Our preoccupation with horses has much of its origins in military usages, so it's curious to see that transformed in the context of racing.


2006-05-22 17:51:21
23.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 22

Did another google search and answered my own question. Call to the Post is the same as the first call of the day to assembly the buglers for Reveille.


2006-05-22 17:51:39
24.   LAT
BTW, not that anyone cares but they could not keep P.Val from racing. As a recovering addict is considered to have a disablity and therefore protected by the ADA. Of course, he was later suspended again for failing a drug test.
2006-05-22 17:51:41
25.   Marty
Thanks LAT, I should have mentioned that I did read your post. I liked Pincay too as well as Eddie Delahoussey (sp?). He was a specialist at coming from way off the pace.

One of my old girlfriend's had a dad who kept a small book on the side. When he died she took it over for awhile. It was great fun placing bets with your girlfriend.

2006-05-22 17:53:34
26.   Linkmeister
"It was great fun placing bets with your girlfriend."

Man, if there were ever a greater threat to a relationship than betting on something with her holding the stakes, I can't imagine it (well, I can, but still...

2006-05-22 17:58:03
27.   LAT
25. Man no one could bring them home from off the pace like Eddie D. As Trevor Denman would say, ". . . and here comes [Delahoussey's mount] comes like an express train."

26. Depends on how Marty had to pay her back.

2006-05-22 18:01:45
28.   ToyCannon
I'd like to see what our positional OPS was when we were at our lowest point when many posters wanted to trade all the veterans and play for next year as compared to what they are now.
2006-05-22 18:12:28
29.   Marty
26 As I said, she's an old girlfriend...
2006-05-22 18:15:57
30.   D4P
Old Friend Alert (w/SSS warning):

Dave Ross is currently OPSing 1.030.

2006-05-22 18:21:54
31.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 30

Cora also had a nice bunt single tonight for the BoSox, although his OPS for the season is 606.


2006-05-22 18:23:52
32.   D4P
The biggest problem with OPS is that it treats "nice bunt singles" as if they are just like any other single.
2006-05-22 18:25:15
33.   Jon Weisman
32 - That's neither the biggest problem with OPS nor a big problem.

There's a nice story on Cora on the Red Sox site that, if you can completely put aside his on-field performance, is a good read.

2006-05-22 18:28:55
34.   D4P
That's neither the biggest problem with OPS nor a big problem.

I sit corrected. The biggest problem with OPS is that it only considers on-field performance.

2006-05-22 18:31:06
35.   Linkmeister
"a nice story on Cora on the Red Sox site"

Er, link? There's only about a thousand Red Sox sites. ;)

2006-05-22 18:32:41
36.   JoeyP
Frank Thomas is enjoying his visit back to Comiskey. 3-3 with 2HR's.
2006-05-22 18:33:25
37.   JoeyP
Er..US Cellular Field.
Think Kenny Williams likes it?
2006-05-22 18:36:25
38.   ToyCannon
My only good horse racing story involved my future wife and Bill Shoemaker. Before she was my wife we went to Hollywood park with a bunch of my friends and bet on Bill to win the Kentucky Derby when he was racing Ferdinand. It was an exciting race and as Bill bobbed and weaved his way to victory I picked up her up in celebration. I then accidently dropped her and she landed on her back against the seats. She never let my friends know how much pain she was in and didn't cry or whine or deride me for being such a clutz. Later she whispered to me that we needed to leave and so we did. She really hurt her back and it was all my fault and she ended needing some physical therapy to solve some issues. I proposed shortly after, thinking that this was a women who I could live with. 16 years later I can only say it was a good decision.
2006-05-22 18:37:39
39.   JoeyP
when many posters wanted to trade all the veterans

I wouldnt mind still seeing Kent,Cruz, Bill Mueller, Brett Tomko, Kenny Lofton, and Danyz Baez dealt. Its not about this year. Its about the future.

2006-05-22 18:39:20
40.   Linkmeister
39 Why can't it be both?
2006-05-22 18:42:41
41.   Linkmeister
Found the Cora story.

It is good.

2006-05-22 18:44:31
42.   Fern
Anyone know why Nomar is out of the lineup tonight? Routine rest or something more heinous?
2006-05-22 18:50:12
43.   Marty
38 Nice story Toy.
2006-05-22 18:57:32
44.   ToyCannon
I'm way more interested in the here and now then the future. This team can do some damage. As 40 says, we should be able to do both.
2006-05-22 18:58:50
45.   ToyCannon
My wife is from San Antonio and is screaming at the top of her lungs as they make a comeback. She is also the biggest Clipper fan in the family. I don't think she will be able to keep it together mentally if the Clips end up playing the Spurs.
2006-05-22 19:16:15
46.   Buffalo Jones
Not a good start thus far.
2006-05-22 19:20:07
47.   jujibee
Rockies announcers just said a scout told them that Russel Martin has the best lateral movement that he's ever seen. Pretty nice compliment.
2006-05-22 19:20:48
48.   Marty
Boy, Hawpe and Holiday are impressive looking players. It'd be nice if we could counter with Guzman and Kemp soon.
2006-05-22 19:21:15
49.   Buffalo Jones
Only 1 run. Could of been worse I guess.
2006-05-22 19:21:47
50.   Marty
If that scout saw Bench and Yeager than that is really a nice compliment.
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2006-05-22 19:23:46
51.   Buffalo Jones
I can't believe the Rockies announcers would say anything good about a non Rockies player.
2006-05-22 19:27:43
52.   Bob Timmermann
In fairness to the Rockies announcers, they are in a position where they have to be somewhat boosterish. The Rockies have not been a very good team for much of their history and people aren't turning out to go see games in Denver as they mindlessly did in the past.
2006-05-22 19:30:46
53.   Buffalo Jones
52 I can understand that, but I lived in Denver from 93-2003 and I have listened to a ton of games, and they always seemed as thought any call that wasn't in the Rockies' favor was a horrible call. It was as if the Rockies were getting hosed on a daily basis for them.
2006-05-22 19:31:12
54.   Vaudeville Villain

The biggest problem with OPS is that it assumes that On-Base and Slugging are equally important.

Can we declare a moratorium on lame stolen base attempts?

2006-05-22 19:38:53
55.   D4P
The biggest problem with OPS is that it assumes that On-Base and Slugging are equally important.

In all seriousness, I've commented on that before too. If (in fact) OBP is (for example) 2-3 times as important than SLG, why not use a weighted OPS where more weight is placed on OBP?

2006-05-22 19:40:53
56.   regfairfield
55 Because it took how many decades for people to accept OPS?
2006-05-22 19:41:17
57.   Bob Timmermann

Don't discount the factor that George Frazier is an idiot also.

2006-05-22 19:41:53
58.   Buffalo Jones
57 Good point
2006-05-22 19:42:45
59.   Vaudeville Villain

I had a feeling that topic had been beaten to death before, but I wasn't sure so I posted it up anyway.

I was under the impression there was already a weighted OPS, no? Maybe I'm imagining things.

2006-05-22 19:43:16
60.   Gen3Blue
This submariner looks pretty tough.
These damn Rocky announcers may have reason, but their homer babble is depressing, and a ball game should be festive.
2006-05-22 19:47:27
61.   Buffalo Jones
Overtime in San Antonio! Dallas is going to run out of players soon.
2006-05-22 19:48:01
62.   Bob Timmermann
2006-05-22 19:49:01
63.   gpellamjr
I'm glad I'm getting Vin today. I am starting to think, since so many times I've gotten the other team's broadcast when their announcer are simply fools, that they have the impression that fans prefer the two-man broadcast-booth. One of my students once told me that he didn't like Vin because he didn't have a partner. My problem is that invariably, with two men in the booth, they talk a lot about anything but baseball.
2006-05-22 19:51:10
64.   gpellamjr
I'm getting very impatient with Seo.
2006-05-22 19:51:27
65.   Gen3Blue
Its tough being a third base coach with the Rockies.
You also seem to be irrelevant.
Hope Seo finds something--he hasn't had much so far.
2006-05-22 19:53:39
66.   gpellamjr
Pinch-hit for Seo!
2006-05-22 19:53:56
67.   Gen3Blue
Comment--Boy, are the D's lucky. But little credit for the play!
2006-05-22 19:55:08
68.   Vaudeville Villain
It's not a good sign when your outfield defense is playing well.
2006-05-22 19:55:18
69.   Bob Timmermann
I do not like the woman depicted in the Charles Schwab commercial who says she's too busy to do her 401(K) rollover.

Some people would love to have that much stress in their life.

I almost wish she would end up destitute in her fictional retirement.

2006-05-22 19:57:46
70.   gpellamjr
69 I'm irritated when she says "I know, I know, I'm a terrible person..." It says something about society, I think, when one can feel judged morally for not taking care of one's financial well being.

How about the error by Helton--- speed creating bad defense?

2006-05-22 19:59:25
71.   Gen3Blue
Actually, these guys need at least two guys to figure out whats going on.
2006-05-22 19:59:35
72.   regfairfield
70 The link between speed and errors is minor at best.
2006-05-22 19:59:56
73.   D4P
speed creating bad defense?

I didn't see the play, but this lends support to my belief that hitters should get more credit for reaching via error than they do for reaching via HBP.

And, I wouldn't mind seeing the WHIP stat revised so as to include HBPs.

2006-05-22 20:02:49
74.   Vaudeville Villain
As long as the rule is that you get a base for HBP, it should be just as important as a walk or single, IMO.
2006-05-22 20:03:35
75.   gpellamjr
73 Should a reach on error count in OBP, you think?

I've been reading the posts at and insidethedodgers, and I've learned on thing: we need lofton in the lineup! THAT GUY IS A WINNER!!!!!!!!

2006-05-22 20:04:50
76.   D4P
But getting hit by a pitch is not a skill or a talent on the part of the hitter. In fact, if I understand correctly, the rulebook states that the player should try to get out of the way of the pitch if possible, and the player is called out if he intentionally leans into a pitch.

In general, if you are called out by doing something intentionally, you probably shouldn't get credit for it if it happens accidentally.

2006-05-22 20:05:03
77.   Marty
Doing a 401k rollover is about the easiest thing you can do. Anybody who's changed jobs has had to do it.
2006-05-22 20:07:11
78.   gpellamjr
Anybody else watching on getting the Pink Floyd effect in the audio?
2006-05-22 20:09:14
79.   Bob Timmermann
Batters are not called out if they intentionally lean in to pitch. Instead, the pitch is just called by wherever it was in relation to the strike zone. If you get hit by a pitch in the strike zone, it's a strike even if you are trying to get out of the way. Most of the time a ball is called if your Dick Dietizing it
2006-05-22 20:10:08
80.   Bob Timmermann

Marty is not a horrible person.

2006-05-22 20:11:00
81.   D4P
Thanks, Bob. It has been so long since I've seen that happen that I couldn't remember what the ruling was.

Either way, the fact that you don't get credit for leaning into a pitch seems to cast serious doubt on getting credit for being hit accidentally.

2006-05-22 20:16:56
82.   Steve
I hope Mueller has a soft pillow because the bench is pretty hard.
2006-05-22 20:17:31
83.   Bob Timmermann
The HBP rule is relatively new by baseball standards. It didn't come in to play until 1884. From 1872 through 1883, batters were called out if they deliberately got hit by the pitch, but they were doing that to increase the chances of a wild pitch or passsed ball.

But early batters didn't have to worry about getting by a pitch too often because they were able to ask for pitches to be delivered in a particular area for them to hit. So it wasn't like the pitcher had any reason to try to work inside to intimidate a batter.

2006-05-22 20:19:08
84.   gpellamjr
"...they were able to ask for pitches to be delivered in a particular area for them to hit."

Can you explain the procedure and the logic?

2006-05-22 20:25:42
85.   Vaudeville Villain

Some players do get HBP more than others though, correct? It's not entirely an accidental stat. Anyway, whether it is accidental or not, it should count toward OBP, as long as it gives the same results the other things do. Walking is not independent, either. Sure, some hitters are more patient, but that doesn't control whether or not pitchers want to throw you strikes.

As long as baseball rewards you for being hit, it should positively effect your OBP stat. I suppose I don't see any reason why reaching on errors shouldn't count to that stat either, though.

Craig Biggio is probably a HOFer, and one of the reasons he's such a great player is that he gets on-base, and HBPs have been a big part of that for his career.

2006-05-22 20:26:17
86.   regfairfield
84 Baseball was originally envisioned as a show down between the hitter and the defense. The pitcher was just a convienient way to get the ball to the hitter.
2006-05-22 20:27:15
87.   confucius
If they bring in Odalis Perez to pitch to Helton I'm going to scream. He can not get Helton out.
2006-05-22 20:28:21
88.   D4P
Yeah, it seems like your logic for including HBPs also supports the inclusion of reaching by error. Or, even striking out and reaching on a passed ball.
2006-05-22 20:28:38
89.   gpellamjr
Raffy should have let that hit him... to improve his OBP.
2006-05-22 20:29:40
90.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Seems to me that in a typical season, the league-leading batter in HBP has been plunked more than the No. 1 headhunter pitcher has plunked batters.
What this means, I dunno.
2006-05-22 20:30:59
91.   Bob Timmermann

The batter would come up and say that he wanted a high or low pitch. And he would just wait for one to not only be in that hitting area, but he would also wait for the pitch to be inside or outside too.

Pitchers would be tossing the ball up 20-30 times to some guys before they got pitches they liked. And with foul balls not being counted as strikes, you could see a Matt Clement vs. Alex Cora at bat every day!

2006-05-22 20:38:56
92.   Vaudeville Villain

I might be being too literal. I guess, what I'm trying to say, is if you're going to call your statistic on-base percentage, it should show improve every time you reach base, however that might be. Including striking out and running to first, I guess.

2006-05-22 20:40:12
93.   King of the Hobos
Hayden Penn was called up over the weekend by the Orioles to make his first major league start of the year on Tuesday. With the worst timing possible, he had an emergency appendectomy today
2006-05-22 20:40:31
94.   LAT
70 For about a month now, its been driving me crazy who the voice of that woman is. I recognize it but can't figure out how I know it. Anyone know?
2006-05-22 20:40:47
95.   Vaudeville Villain
92- Argh, "show improve"?
2006-05-22 20:41:11
96.   Bob Timmermann
In 2004, Bronson Arroyo led the AL with 20 batters hit, while Travis Hafner and Kevin Millar led in times hit with 17.

I think a batter might lead more often, but I don't think it's by a large margin.

2006-05-22 20:43:05
97.   LAT
Randy Winn drives in go ahead run in SF. I hate that guy. I don't even have a good reason I just do.
2006-05-22 20:45:03
98.   Bob Timmermann

You hate Randy Winn because he was a mediocre player for his entire career until he joined the Giants and then started to hit really well.

It's very irritating when that happens.

2006-05-22 20:45:14
99.   sanchez101
I walk in, turn on the Dodger game, first pitch, Kent rbi double, nice
2006-05-22 20:46:35
100.   Jon Weisman
93 - Aw, that's a shame.
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2006-05-22 20:47:26
101.   LAT
97. Bob, I believe you hit the nail on the head.
2006-05-22 20:48:30
102.   Bob Timmermann
For those of you caring about the race for first, the third team in our story tonight, Arizona, is tied with Pittsburgh 1-1 in the 8th.

A Jason Bay homer and a Luis Gonzalez RBI bunt single with 2 outs account for the scoring.

2006-05-22 20:49:56
103.   Bob Timmermann

Take solace that there have been a few mediocre pitchers who saw their careers turned around once they joined the Dodgers, mainly because they benefited from pitching in a much friendlier environment for moundsmen.

2006-05-22 20:50:18
104.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
93 - History's quadruple-A superstars all have stories like that.
2006-05-22 20:51:08
105.   Jon Weisman
Broxton is warming up in the pen.

102 - I can't help but be surprised that Jamey Wright and the Giants are leading the Cardinals, 3-1 after 5 1/2 innings.

2006-05-22 20:51:17
106.   Gen3Blue
Is something wrong with Lofton?
I'm trying to be serious, and I know Loftons not a great option, but if we are just resting a hot Garc and a hot Lofton,it says something. Specifically, two hot players can make a difference in a game, so this game is not important, but we want people rested for later in the season.
Interesting, and I can''t judge it either way.
2006-05-22 20:51:43
107.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
102 - Almost all the fans at that game wish they were watching the other game, the one going on two blocks to the west.
2006-05-22 20:52:06
108.   Bob Timmermann

That should be a lesson to all of you budding baseball stars. Go ask your doctor for a prophylactic appendectomy.

I'm sure your insurance will cover it.

2006-05-22 20:52:11
109.   Jon Weisman
Seo is batting with two on, two out in the bottom of the sixth. He has thrown 74 pitches - but I only like this move if he can go at least two more innings.
2006-05-22 20:52:56
110.   Jon Weisman
106 - Lofton could play in an emergency but isn't 100 percent.
2006-05-22 20:55:25
111.   Gen3Blue
110 Thanx. That makes more sense.
2006-05-22 20:55:38
112.   natepurcell has a hochevar article up.

hochevar is asking for 4 million is what i am getting from the article.

they havent talked since spring training. COME ON GUYS!

2006-05-22 20:55:54
113.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Showing I'm:
1. Old
2. Geeky
The word "prophylactic" can't help but remind me of an early-80s SNL sketch - the galactic prophylactic - "It can stop bullets!"
2006-05-22 20:58:34
114.   Jon Weisman
Good lord, Peavy has 16 strikeouts through 7 innings.
2006-05-22 20:59:32
115.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
114 - Holy moley. That has to be the ML high for the year.
2006-05-22 21:00:33
116.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
And he's losing!
2006-05-22 21:01:11
117.   Gen3Blue
Seo seems to have found some of whatever "command" is. When he recovered from his weak beginning I wondered if it was just good luck. We may get that two good innings.
2006-05-22 21:01:57
118.   Bob Timmermann
"Prophylactic" was a brand name for tooth brushes in the past.

I remember my mom telling me to go pick one up at a drug store and I gave her a very odd look as I was wondering just what she meant.

And I was also in the middle of that part of health class in high school that you needed a permission slip for.

2006-05-22 21:03:00
119.   Steve
If I'm not mistaken (watching on Gameday), Jeromy Burnitz just dropped a fly ball to allow the go-ahead run to score in beautiful downtown Phoenix.
2006-05-22 21:03:05
120.   Bob Timmermann
The DBacks have gone ahead 2-1 on a sac fly by Orlando Hudson.

Unfortunately, "old friend" Jeromy Burnitz dropped the fly ball, so the bases are loaded with one out.

2006-05-22 21:03:30
121.   Bob Timmermann
Sorry, it's first and third.

And 2 outs now.

2006-05-22 21:03:42
122.   LAT
Az goes ahead of Pitt on Bernitz error
2006-05-22 21:04:30
123.   LAT
Another E makes it 4-2
2006-05-22 21:04:47
125.   LAT
Sorry 4-1
2006-05-22 21:05:01
126.   Steve
I suspect you guys are scoreboard watching for a different reason than I am.
2006-05-22 21:05:17
127.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
In Phoenix, that's an E1 for another two runs.
2006-05-22 21:05:31
128.   Bob Timmermann
"It's an error." (slap)
"It's a sacrifice fly." (slap)
"It's an error." (slap)
"It's a sacrifice fly." (slap)

"Don't you understand, Jake, it's an error and a sacrifice fly!"

2006-05-22 21:05:44
129.   LAT
Say what you want about Tracy but he really has a bad team. The greatest manager in the world couldn't help these guys
2006-05-22 21:07:29
130.   Gen3Blue
Bun Yun has good sneaky stuff. definitely "underhanded.
2006-05-22 21:08:40
131.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
128 - (snort)
"Forget it, Jake. It's Chase Field."
2006-05-22 21:08:46
132.   Steve
Whenever I think the Rockies might compete, I think of Scott Dohmann, and I feel better.
2006-05-22 21:08:56
133.   Bob Timmermann
The Pirates are 4-19 on the road.

And the Royals are even worse at 2-20.

2006-05-22 21:10:31
134.   sanchez101
129. I think the general consensus around here is that Tracy's only as good as the talent available to him, no better, and possibly worse. But ya, Pittsburgh is a mess, kind of a NL version of KC.

"Doh!"mann is really falling apart here control-wise.

2006-05-22 21:10:40
135.   D4P
To be fair, every one of those road games was played on the opponents' home turf, which gave the opponents a distinct advantage.
2006-05-22 21:10:42
136.   Jon Weisman
Joe Starkey of the Pittsburgh Tribune Review has given Tracy the nickname, "Don't Blame Him Jim."

129 - He has a bad team, but 1) it's partly of his own design and 2) the greatest manager in the world certainly could help these guys. Maybe not to a title, but more than this, I suspect.

2006-05-22 21:11:30
137.   Steve
Sonny and Cher. Bert and Ernie. Tracy and the Pirates.
2006-05-22 21:11:46
138.   Bob Timmermann
The rare E-SF makes for a knotty problem of OBP figuring.

Some formulas (most of them in fact) add sac flies in to the denominator. Some don't.

Then we have the camp that wants to give credit for reaching on an error.

2006-05-22 21:12:29
139.   sanchez101
I feel like watching a big, crazy inning right now.
2006-05-22 21:14:17
140.   sanchez101
136. I think thats smarter than anything Plascke or Simers has ever written.
2006-05-22 21:14:44
141.   regfairfield
He did take Craig Wilson out with the game on the line so Jose Hernandez could bunt.
2006-05-22 21:14:45
142.   Nuke
Martin walks Drew, you heard it here first.
2006-05-22 21:15:06
143.   Daniel Zappala
Ah heck, give him two errors on the play, Bob.
2006-05-22 21:15:12
144.   Steve
Hernandez was brought back because Tracy wanted him. Criticism of Hernandez would imply that Tracy messed up, and we all know that Don't Blame Him Jim never messes up.

That's basically it in a nutshell.

Meanwhile, Scott Doughman makes me chuckle. Good memories of George Frazier extolling the virtues of the Rocky bullpen come back to me.

2006-05-22 21:15:21
145.   Jon Weisman
Bases loaded, no outs for Pitt in the ninth.
2006-05-22 21:18:10
146.   Bob Timmermann
The 1916 Philadelphia A's were 13-64 on the road, which is .169. That's the AL's worst single season road record.

The 1935 Boston Braves were 13-65 (.167). That's the worst in the NL since the adoption of at least a 154-game schedule.

The 1899 Cleveland Spiders were 11-101 (.098) for the alltime worst. But they were so bad that they had to play most of the second half of their season on the road.

2006-05-22 21:18:40
147.   King of the Hobos
Now 1st and 2nd, 1 out, Pirates down 4-3
2006-05-22 21:18:43
148.   Steve
Cota, de Caster, Edwards, or Hernandez. What do you do?! What do you do!?

Shoot the hostage.

2006-05-22 21:18:52
149.   Bob Timmermann


2006-05-22 21:19:12
150.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
136 - Ooh, that's beautiful.
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2006-05-22 21:19:55
151.   Berkeley Doug
Not that I wish the Padres weren't losing, but it's a shame they had to picth hit for Peavy in the 7th when he already had 16 Ks.
2006-05-22 21:19:57
152.   Gen3Blue
Wow, nice play.
2006-05-22 21:20:57
153.   sanchez101
146. if any one in the record books deserves an asterisk, its the cleveland spiders. they werent even trying to compete.
2006-05-22 21:21:11
154.   LAT
Jon, thanks for linking the Dodgers v. Hartford complaint. Bob, thanks for offering to send it. I have had a number of cases with Andy Lundberg. Good lawyer, nice guy. I will be following this one.
2006-05-22 21:21:13
155.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
IBB, to pitch to Aybar? Ohhh-kay.
2006-05-22 21:22:00
156.   Berkeley Doug
I guess everyone here is Tivo-ing 24?
2006-05-22 21:22:11
157.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
146 - Did Cleveland have any players named Boris?
2006-05-22 21:22:40
158.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
156 - Or Clippers-Suns.
2006-05-22 21:23:07
159.   Bob Timmermann

Don't tell me what happened in "24" or else MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WILL DIE!!!!

2006-05-22 21:23:19
160.   natepurcell
Does Kaman have body stripes on his right shoulder?
2006-05-22 21:23:34
161.   Jon Weisman
157 - Did the Toronto Blue Jays have Pictures of Ted Lilly?
2006-05-22 21:23:42
162.   Steve
Clint Hurdle has always been underrated as a crappy manager.
2006-05-22 21:23:49
163.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
2006-05-22 21:24:02
164.   LAT
Pujlos coming up with man on first and 2 outs. I wouldn't pitch to him
2006-05-22 21:24:41
165.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
160 - It's residue from the tape that holds on the ice packs between games.
2006-05-22 21:24:56
166.   Uncle Miltie
Just another walk for Aybar...with the bases loaded.

162- LOL

2006-05-22 21:25:00
167.   Berkeley Doug
156 -

Don't worry Bob. I'm taping it now and will watch it later tonight.

2006-05-22 21:25:11
168.   Berkeley Doug
156 -

Don't worry Bob. I'm taping it now and will watch it later tonight.

2006-05-22 21:25:55
169.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Looks like the Suns got their legs back after those four days of rest. It's been two months since PHX had that much time between games.
2006-05-22 21:26:38
170.   Berkeley Doug
And the Great Albert Pujols grounds out.
2006-05-22 21:26:56
171.   LAT
Jamey Wright going right at Pujlos and got him to ground out. BB leads off bottom of the 8th.
2006-05-22 21:27:18
172.   Steve
While Robinson and Tracy and Baker win their hard-earned opprobrium, Clint Hurdle plods along in the obscurity of his mile-high job, bunting at stupid times, running himself out of countless innings, leaving middle relievers in to self-combust, letting Aaron Miles on to a baseball diamond. The man really deserves his due.
2006-05-22 21:28:06
173.   Bob Timmermann
I think Mark over at Bad Altitude gives Hurdle his due.
2006-05-22 21:29:50
174.   LAT
BB draws a BB
2006-05-22 21:29:57
175.   Berkeley Doug
Piazza goes deep and it's now 2-1 ATL.
2006-05-22 21:31:02
176.   Bob Timmermann
It's time for that rock solid Atlanta bullpen to nail it down!
2006-05-22 21:31:48
177.   sanchez101
did Broxton just throw a 91 mph breaking ball?
2006-05-22 21:31:56
178.   Steve
Chris Reitsma is an eighth inning pitcher, not a ninth inning pitcher.
2006-05-22 21:32:16
179.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Eleven 3-pointers for the Suns.
2006-05-22 21:32:37
180.   natepurcell

broxton just threw a 91 mph slider.


2006-05-22 21:33:00
181.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
179 - That's the Phoenix Suns, not the Jacksonville Suns.
2006-05-22 21:33:09
182.   Jon Weisman
So now, Little has done what I feared. Let Seo hit in the bottom of the sixth with two on - then take him out after one more inning. 84 pitches, facing the minimum (12 batters) over his final four innings. I love Broxton, but that doesn't make any sense to me. Either put Broxton in in the seventh, or let Seo run with it.
2006-05-22 21:33:18
183.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Gameday is frozen.
2006-05-22 21:33:35
184.   Bob Timmermann
Top relief pitchers in the majors from Canada.

1. Eric Gagne (even if he's injured)
2. Ryan Dempster
3. There's got to be somebody else
4. See 3
5. See 5
6. Chris Reitsma

2006-05-22 21:34:01
185.   Berkeley Doug
Perhaps proving closers are overrated if ATL can win 14 straight divisions without really every having a dominant closer for an extended period of time?
2006-05-22 21:34:08
186.   Bob Timmermann

Sorry for the endless loop there.

2006-05-22 21:34:41
187.   sanchez101
172. Hurdle blames the altitude, Tracy blames everyone else, Baker blames his pitchers, and Robinson hasnt really had an owner or fan base to answer to. But they all know how to put players in a position to succeed, thankfully.
2006-05-22 21:34:49
188.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
10 RUN
20 GOTO 10
2006-05-22 21:34:50
189.   underdog
Is Charlie Steiner drunk, or did Nomar actually come in to play defense that inning?

Steiner also ended the last inning by saying, "No runs, on four walks, the Dodgers leave three and score a run" or something like that - no runs and one run. I think he's nipping at Monday's whiskey flask.

2006-05-22 21:35:07
190.   regfairfield
Especially considering Broxton went two in a blowout yesterday.
2006-05-22 21:35:35
191.   Berkeley Doug

After reading #5, I feel like I'm stuck in an infinite loop.

2006-05-22 21:35:54
192.   underdog
185 Wasn't Smoltz a dominant closer for a period of time, before going back to starting?

Maybe tonight they should have had Smoltz come in and relieve himself.

Wait, that came out wrong. Uhm...

2006-05-22 21:36:20
193.   Bob Timmermann
I apologize for the infinite loop.
2006-05-22 21:36:55
194.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Cortes the Killer pitching for the Rockies.
2006-05-22 21:37:07
195.   Bob Timmermann
Re 193, see 186
2006-05-22 21:37:08
196.   Berkeley Doug


I forgot all about Smoltz; I was stuck on the glory years of Wohlers and Rocker.

2006-05-22 21:37:40
197.   sanchez101
182. He needed to make a double switch after pinch running for Saenz, he couldnt help himself.
2006-05-22 21:37:57
198.   Jon Weisman
190 - He only threw 24 pitches Sunday.
2006-05-22 21:38:32
199.   natepurcell
Broxtons going to make a good closer next year.
2006-05-22 21:38:48
200.   mikethinksblue
I think that was the first program I wrote on my Apple IIc in 1984
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2006-05-22 21:38:49
201.   Berkeley Doug
So is it more of a reflection of the great strides Nomar has made at 1B or an indictment of Saenz's defense that Nomar comes in as a defensive replacement?
2006-05-22 21:39:10
202.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
In 1991, when the Braves began their run, their closer was... ex-Dodger Alejandro Pena. Which still irks me.
2006-05-22 21:39:45
203.   Nuke
184 Past and present? If so, Paul Quantrill should be up there.
2006-05-22 21:39:55
204.   Berkeley Doug

I think that is the only program I was ever able to write.

2006-05-22 21:40:05
205.   underdog
184 He's not pitching any longer, but recently retired Paul Quantrill (born in Ontario) would be up high on that canadian relievers list...
2006-05-22 21:40:36
206.   LAT
Is it me or do they never show Mia Hamm at the games. Anyone know why?
2006-05-22 21:40:44
207.   Bob Timmermann
Nomar came in to play first primarily because Robles ran for Saenz and they needed someone to play first or else all the throws from the infielders would end up in the dugout.
2006-05-22 21:41:03
208.   Berkeley Doug
Chipper goes deep. 3-1 ATL. Somehow I suspect ATL will need that insurance run.
2006-05-22 21:41:43
209.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
206 - Maybe she never goes?
2006-05-22 21:41:57
210.   Bob Timmermann

She may not go to the games. Or she may sit in a suite. Or she may not want to be on camera.

For all the endorsements Mia Hamm does, she is very shy.

2006-05-22 21:42:31
211.   Nuke
205 Heh, beat you by 20 seconds...
2006-05-22 21:43:03
212.   Berkeley Doug
Nomar - early, early season favorite for NL Comeback Player of the Year?
2006-05-22 21:43:25
213.   underdog
Btw, if Jamey Wright can be a "dominant" starter this year, then I don't see why Aaron Sele can't be successful now either. Since we've obviously entered a weird sort of parallel universe, or they've both sipped from the same magic water fountain...
2006-05-22 21:44:28
214.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
212 - Good a candidate as any. Plus, he has ECB (East Coast bias) working in his favor!
2006-05-22 21:44:35
215.   underdog
211 D'oh, curse these slow fingers!

212 Easily. By far. Followed by the Giants J. Wright. Heh.

2006-05-22 21:45:29
216.   Berkeley Doug

From what I saw watching Wright earlier this evening and watching Sele this year, Wright's stuff looks much better than Sele.

2006-05-22 21:46:02
217.   natepurcell
loneys hitting for extra bases, double and triple today.

And Guzman with two walks!

2006-05-22 21:46:57
218.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
213 - Ponce de Leon has nothing on those two.
Anyone seen Ponce's statue in St. Augustine, Fla.? With his gut, he cuts quite a, uh, figure.
"I claim this land for God, King and Queen... Hey, is the buffet up yet?"
2006-05-22 21:47:11
219.   xaphor
Drew comes out to Iron Man?
2006-05-22 21:47:27
220.   natepurcell
drew just came out to IRON MAN.

how ironic.

2006-05-22 21:47:30
221.   sanchez101
213. If Jose Lima can win 13 games in Dodger stadium, Sele might be okay. Im still skeptical, though, .235 BABIP and all.
2006-05-22 21:47:30
222.   Jon Weisman
We've gone from Satio City to Beimelville. Hamuland is right up ahead, and Carter Country is not out of sight.
2006-05-22 21:48:08
223.   underdog
His stuff does look pretty good. Sele's had good control, though, for the most part. Both of them have been surprisingly solid (so far).

Meanwhile, the Rockies' bullpen tonight looks like ours did a few weeks ago.

2006-05-22 21:48:16
224.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
219 220 - Haw!
2006-05-22 21:48:32
225.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers won two World Series with Peña on the roster (1981 and 1988). He didn't exactly have a happy ending in the 1991 World Series, but he did rejoin the Braves in time to play in the 1995 World Series.

And look who the Dodgers got in exchange for Peña: Juan Samuel!

2006-05-22 21:48:33
226.   Berkeley Doug
I'm going to Boston tomorrow and I checked on tickets for NY vs BOS, but I didn't feel like spending $300 for standing room only seats.

My brother: "People are waiting outside of the Yankees hotel waiting to heckle Damon."

Me: "Don't they have to work or have anything better to do?"

My brother: "Did you forget this is Boston?"

2006-05-22 21:50:28
227.   JoeyP
Is anyone surprised Bochy took Jake Peavy out of the game? He had 16ks in 7ip. Thats really close to making baseball history. He had thrown 114 pitches.
2006-05-22 21:50:37
228.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
225 - In the 1988 World Series, Peña was the forgotten winner of Game 1.
2006-05-22 21:50:45
229.   mikethinksblue
Speaking of early season award speculation, I was pondering this weekend who the Dodger All Star will be. (I doubt if there will be two Dodgers). Nomar comes to mind, but Pujols will beat him in the fan's vote. Who else is there?
2006-05-22 21:50:54
230.   Berkeley Doug
Sweeney just misses a Grand Slam in SF and ends up with a single?????
2006-05-22 21:50:57
231.   sanchez101
Guzman seems to take walks in bunches, he'll walk 4 times in 3 games and then not take another walk for a week.
2006-05-22 21:51:26
232.   xaphor
I hear you need a trail rated vehicle once you leave Saito City.
2006-05-22 21:51:27
233.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
How close was Kent's F8 to going out?
2006-05-22 21:51:32
234.   natepurcell
Marty will like this.

Yesterday i was driving in an unknown part of Tucson I have never been through before and I came across a resturant named Furris'.

all i could think about was little furries with knee high socks and chipmunk complexion faces slapping baseballs.

2006-05-22 21:52:14
235.   Berkeley Doug

Penny possible; Nomar could be a reserve.

2006-05-22 21:52:19
236.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Suns up by 19 with 9:04 remaining.
2006-05-22 21:52:29
237.   Jon Weisman
227 - They were losing and had a man on base when they pinch hit for him. So, I wasn't surprised.
2006-05-22 21:52:54
238.   underdog
Holy crap, Chris Reitsma got the save and Atlanta wins!

Oh doctor! Holy Toledo! Etc.

2006-05-22 21:53:08
239.   Jon Weisman
233 - caught at the wall
2006-05-22 21:53:12
240.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
236 - Billy Crystal is bummed.
2006-05-22 21:53:29
241.   Berkeley Doug
ATL 3 - 1. FINAL.
2006-05-22 21:53:32
242.   LAT
Clips can't rebound tonight.
2006-05-22 21:53:55
243.   underdog
Yeah, I agree, right now I think it will be Nomar as a reserve and Penny (if they were choosing today, of course).
2006-05-22 21:54:44
244.   Berkeley Doug
Omar goes deep for SF. Yes Omar Vizquel! 9-1 SF in the 8th. Not even the Great Albert Pujols can hit a 9 run homer.
2006-05-22 21:54:54
245.   LAT
The best left handed relief pitcher in baseball gives up single.
2006-05-22 21:55:08
246.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
242 - If the Clips can't rebound against the Suns, they can't beat the Suns.
2006-05-22 21:55:40
247.   JoeyP
The Rox with 3 GIDP, and 2 men thrown out at the plate. Safe to say its not their nite.
2006-05-22 21:55:42
248.   Bob Timmermann

No, the Clippers have a Plaschkean "heart" deficit.

That is the only reason why they are losing.

Didn't you get the memo?

2006-05-22 21:56:29
249.   Bob Timmermann

He only said best left-handed setup man in the NL I believe.

2006-05-22 21:56:34
250.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Fourteen 3s for the Suns - a Game 7 record.
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2006-05-22 21:56:44
251.   underdog
Yikes, what I said above about Colorado's bp tonight, ditto the Cardinals'.
2006-05-22 21:56:51
252.   mikethinksblue
Unless we see Lance Carter warming up
2006-05-22 21:57:26
253.   LAT
BLH (best left hander) gives up double
2006-05-22 21:59:39
254.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
We win!
2006-05-22 22:00:18
255.   capdodger
253 Not a good game for BLH's WHIP.
2006-05-22 22:00:26
256.   underdog
1/2 game out of first. Without getting at all cocky about it: nice.
2006-05-22 22:01:24
257.   Berkeley Doug
Dodgers Win! Dodgers Win!

Now it's time to see how Jack Bauer saves the world.

2006-05-22 22:02:49
258.   underdog
I wish TV shows did cross-over cameos like they used to do in the 70s. If it wasn't on two diff. networks, it would be great if Jack Bauer could show up on "Lost" island.
2006-05-22 22:02:52
259.   JoeyP
Aybar's career OPS is now .956 in 114AB's.
Broxton has a 0.82 ERA.
Cruz is hitting .238 with minimal power, and yet pitchers still wont throw him strikes.
2006-05-22 22:03:03
260.   Berkeley Doug

And on the flip side; only 2 games from last!

2006-05-22 22:03:38
261.   Bob Timmermann
On May 18, the Padres were in first by themselves.

On May 22, the Padres are in fifth by themselves.

2006-05-22 22:03:49
262.   Gen3Blue
While the announcers hardly mentioned his name once, I assumed the lefty was Biemel, who can be effective.
Another win. However, everything is going our way, and a hope we can continue winning when it isn't.
2006-05-22 22:04:08
263.   gpellamjr
How about our "best left-specialist in the league" Beimel? Two lefties get hits, two righties get out.
2006-05-22 22:04:52
264.   Jon Weisman
Heavyweight champeens of MLB!
2006-05-22 22:05:28
265.   underdog
260 Oh sure, be a "standings are half empty" kind of person. I prefer the Pollyanna-ish outlook.

The NL West really is a carousel this season. Whoever's in position when the music stops wins.

Night all!

2006-05-22 22:05:44
266.   Berkeley Doug
Giants fans are restless as Benitez gives up three straight hits. Not even Benitez can blow an eight run lead.
2006-05-22 22:05:45
267.   Steve
If Broxton can't go three innings in two days, he's not very useful to anyone anyway.
2006-05-22 22:06:45
268.   Berkeley Doug
265 LOL
2006-05-22 22:07:40
269.   Berkeley Doug
And Benitz preserves the lead and the Giants win, 9-2.
2006-05-22 22:08:11
270.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
264 - Please explain to me the "heavyweight championship." At work today, I wasted at least 10 minutes looking for an explanation.

265 - Musical chairs, perhaps?

2006-05-22 22:09:51
271.   Xeifrank
The Suns layup pracitce and the Clippers season is almost over. I can safely say I won't be watching much of the Western Conference finals with Mark Cuban, Steve Nash, Raja Bell and Amara Stoudamire's teams in them. I can't stand looking at the mugs of those people. I'm sure I'll get over it one day soon. :) vr, Xei
2006-05-22 22:13:22
272.   sanchez101
271. For the second season in a row, I find myself without a team I dont hate in either conference finals.
2006-05-22 22:13:56
273.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Wasn't Cassell supposed to own Game 7s? Sam I Am has 11 points on 4-of-11 shooting.
2006-05-22 22:14:33
274.   underdog
Explanation for heavyweight championship: Go to and look at his sidebar.
2006-05-22 22:23:28
275.   Bob Timmermann
If the Clippers were pure of heart like Phoenix, they would have won.
2006-05-22 22:41:02
276.   Uncle Miltie
Sam did nothing. Only Brand showed up and Livingston put on a little show when the game was out of reach. The Clippers will be back in the playoffs next year. I'd consider this a successful season.
2006-05-22 22:48:59
277.   thinkingblue

Cruz should not be allowed at the ball park with a right hander on the mound, in fact, I'd take Kenny at "Saenz speed" over Cruz at "Cruz speed" vr. a righty.

2006-05-22 23:06:21
278.   ToyCannon
An inglorious run to a glorious season. It may never get any better then this for the Clippers but it was a nice ride.

Broxton is the best relief pitcher in baseball whose 1st name starts with a "B" and ends with an "E" and who weighs over 250 pounds. Hopefully GoBears will not force me conjure up any statistical analysis to prove my point.

2006-05-22 23:07:52
279.   regfairfield
278 I don't think Broxton qualifies in that category.
2006-05-22 23:13:11
280.   Telemachos
Ah, a generally good evening of TV viewing. Dodgers win, Mavs win, and even ALIAS managed a surprisingly effective series finale.
2006-05-22 23:20:02
281.   ToyCannon
280Glad that goof was at the end of a thread:)

Checked out the Vero Beach box score tonight and noticed several things. The good news is that 20 year old Carlos Santana hit his 3rd home run in 2 games. The bad news is that Dewitt played 3b and Denker played 2nd so I'm wondering if the switch has been called off. Denker continues to struggle at High A and the luster from his Low A 2005 season is fading fast. Dewitt has seen his average plummet 50 points in the last couple of weeks.

2006-05-23 06:26:29
282.   gpellamjr
A good weekend of killer offense and the Dodgers lead the NL in runs scored and OBP as you all know. But more important for my financial well-being and ego, two straight games with no earned runs puts the Dodgers in 2nd in era in the NL. I took a boastful leap of faith when a friend of mine was putting down the pitching staff of the Dodgers a couple of days before the season started. I bet him $10 that the Dodgers would win the NL ERA title. Probably stupid, but so far it looks good. While it makes me sick to see the Giants ever win a single game, their 9 runs against the Cards last night also moved us that much closer to first.
2006-05-23 09:17:20
283.   underdog
Go ahead and ask ESPN's Rob Neyer a question - he's doing a live chat over there right now (9am-10am pst)

I would but... I really don't have anything to ask him.

2006-05-23 10:10:55
284.   Jerry
282 - I hope you got odds on that bet.
2006-05-23 11:47:30
285.   ToyCannon
Andy LaRoche tops the position players in BA hot prospect sheet.

4. Andy LaRoche, 3b, Dodgers (Double-A Jacksonville)
It was only a matter of time before LaRoche started to heat up, like the weather. After hitting just .226 with five extra-base hits through April, LaRoche turned it up last week, hitting .400 (10-for-25) with three bombs.

2006-05-23 11:55:19
286.   towerofpower
woo - russ martin projection by john sickels...opinions?

2006-05-23 12:01:42
287.   underdog
Speaking of opinions, and ESPN, they're having a fun little poll on each baseball franchise's worst blunder. Vote here:
And here's the Dodgers finalists:

7) What's the biggest blunder in Dodgers franchise history?

- 1982-1991: Lasorda overworking Valenzuela, Hershiser, and R. Martinez
All of them had Hall of Fame talent (or close) and all struggled after years of Lasorda's innings.

- 1990: Signing free agent Darryl Strawberry to five-year deal
Strawberry lasted only three seasons before being released.

- 1991: Trading John Wetteland and Tim Belcher to Reds for Eric Davis and Kip Gross
Both Wetteland and Belcher were better, alone, than Davis and Gross together.

- 1993: Trading Pedro Martinez for Delino DeShields
Everybody in Montreal considered the deal a salary dump. . .

- 2000: Signing Darren Dreifort for five years and $55 million
In the five seasons of the deal, Dreifort went 9-15.

2006-05-23 12:03:29
288.   underdog
The '93 trade is the most famously stupid personnel move but that '91 trade seems pretty atrocious, too. Not as ultimately damaging, perhaps, but having Wetteland in those years would have been nice.
2006-05-23 12:05:05
289.   Bob Timmermann

Just reading those gives me a headache, backache, earache, runny nose, and I think my pancreas and gall bladder are acting up too.

2006-05-23 12:05:42
290.   underdog
286 Waaah, the thought of Russ playing for the Devil Rays later in his career made me depressed for some reason. But the projected numbers look pretty fair to me overall.
2006-05-23 12:13:18
291.   gpellamjr
286 I really don't know how he projected his numbers, but I suppose they seem fair. I think he'll bat closer to .300 several times and have a good OBP.
2006-05-23 12:17:18
292.   Fallout
286 towerofpower

I think those Martin projections make as much sense as signing Dreifort for five years and $55 million. 287

2006-05-23 12:19:58
293.   towerofpower
Dodger rumors

article database on all mlb teams, pretty nifty. From the articles, looks like a hovechar signing is becoming less of a possibility.

2006-05-23 12:43:03
294.   autumnlanding
per the rumors of a trade with the marlins:

do you really think we would give up a guzman kemp or martin for a shot at cabrera or willis or both? we would have to give alot up. i think with billz in the chamber i would rather hold onto either aybar guzman kemp laroch?? what is the concensus here

2006-05-23 12:54:34
295.   underdog
294 Nothing's impossible I suppose but I wouldn't give much credence to anything a NY Post columnist has to say on the matter. Rumors are just that.

I particularly don't see Russ Martin going anywhere, even for Cabrera.

2006-05-23 13:02:37
296.   Fallout
I would think that Martin and probably Billingsley are untouchable.
2006-05-23 13:03:40
297.   thinkblue0

yeah, now that I see how well Martin is doing I'm hesitant to give him up. We gotta remember though that we're talking about Miguel Cabrera here. A top ten hitter in the league.

If we could figure out a way to make Guzman the center piece and not have to give up Bills or Kemp I'd give up just about anyone to get Cabrera. Imagine maybe even next year an OF of Cabrera, Kemp,

2006-05-23 13:06:30
298.   regfairfield
294 Whatever the Marlins want for Miguel Cabrera, within reason, we need to give them. I would gladly give them any two players in the minors. This is a guy who is 23 and is one of the best players in baseball. He should be completely untradeable and if he is obtainable we need to do whatever it takes.
2006-05-23 13:14:40
299.   Sam DC
Saw and enjoyed the racetrack reminiscences. Man, haven't thought about those hot corned beef sandwiches in a long time. I gotta make sure I properly corrupt my kids while there's still time!

Went to the Nationals game last night. Man they are bad. Zach Day could not find the strike zone and boom now he's on the DL. I just gotta wonder how much the Robinson/Bowden "real men" shtick compelled Day to try and pitch w/o telling folks he was hurt. And the outfielder they brought up when they sent Church down to AA last weekend is already on the DL.

I sat in front of a fellow who was in for business from San Fran and snuck out to the game by himself. He said it was a joy to go to a ballgame and just watch the action with no Bonds-related discussions/distractions.

2006-05-23 13:17:35
300.   Humma Kavula
298 has it right. We're talking about Miguel Cabrera here.
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2006-05-23 13:22:30
301.   Sam DC
I know there's a lot of vitriol to be worked out, and I know that there's supposed to be no such thing as a pitching prospect, but I am amazed the finances don't dictate signing Hochevar, even at $4 million. We are paying Odalis Perez $9.5 million and more to come. We are paying Danys Baez $4.0 million and likely more. With the market what it is, pitching comes at an ungodly price in dollars/draft picks or prospects. When you strike young pitcher gold, it pays off for years of really cheap service until the latter years of arbitration. Hochevar's not a sure thing, but he's been pitching a long time and still seems to be impressing. How can it be reasonable to walk away from that?
2006-05-23 13:38:14
302.   Sam DC
Hmmm . . . do we know anyone in Topeka?

Topeka, Kan.: A few chats ago you commented on the coincidence that the only 2 MLB players named Marlon both play for the Nats. Here are a couple more: The only two MLB players ever named Mariano, Ducan and Rivera, both played for the Yankees at one time. And the only two managers with double zz's in their names (Mazzilli, Perlozzo) managed consecutively in Baltimore.

Dave Sheinin: Wow, Topeka. That's... um... fascinating. Keep up the good work., look for the baseball chat at the bottom of the screen.

2006-05-23 13:38:34
303.   sanchez101
298.300. I totally agree. Cabrera's comparable players reads like a list of the greatest righthanded hitters of all time. Navarro should mean Martin doesnt have to be traded and LaRoche is an obvious choice since he's an elite 3B prospect and the Marlins will need one with Cabrera gone.
2006-05-23 13:41:44
304.   underdog
What, no one's preparing their questions for the Penguin? Ron Cey will be on chat in a matter of minutes...

Ask him what player today most resembles or reminds him of himself... I can't think of one, though I guess Kent has a similar 'stache.

2006-05-23 13:46:29
305.   Jon Weisman
301 - That's a very good question, Sam. I think Colletti's answer would be that the other guys paid their dues and earned their money and Hochevar has not. I'm not sure that's the most sophisticated way to look at it.

It'll be interesting to see, for example, whether money turns out to be better spent on Jeff Kent for 2007 than it would have been on Hochevar.

2006-05-23 13:52:21
306.   Humma Kavula

Washington, D.C.: Here's an oddball question for you. Where does the term "rubber game" or "rubber match" come from? I told someone I was going to the rubber match between the Nat's and O's on Sunday, and he asked me what that meant and the origin. I know the meaning, but I don't know the origin.

Dave Sheinin: I honestly don't know. Anybody? (And keep it clean, if you know what I'm saying.)

Really? I know Bridge has gone out of style, but does no one know that term?

2006-05-23 13:54:21
307.   thinkblue0

Guzman, Laroche, Navarro and maybe another lower level prospect for Cabrera? Could something like that get it done?

2006-05-23 13:54:21
308.   Humma Kavula
I should have read to the end of the chat. You learn something new every day!
2006-05-23 13:54:47
309.   Sam DC
Keep reading Huma, they pull out reference books and come up with a big whopping "no one knows" later in the chat. Some funny cracks at Robinson, Bowden too, for your trouble.
2006-05-23 13:55:42
310.   natepurcell
Coletti's playing poker. Boras will fold! /end optimism.
2006-05-23 13:59:28
311.   Humma Kavula
310 Crazy, possibly dumb, question:

How far down does Hochevar have to fall before it's in the Dodgers' interest to draft him again? Wouldn't that play into the Dodgers' hand just a little -- "Hey, we made a fair offer. It stands. Accept it or sit out ANOTHER year."

I warned you it was a dumb question.

2006-05-23 14:00:37
312.   Jon Weisman
311 - I don't have the answer, but I don't think it's a dumb question.
2006-05-23 14:01:59
313.   Jon Weisman
Hope you all were productive during the quiet DT morning. New post up top.
2006-05-23 14:17:18
314.   ToyCannon
Completely agree. Top 10 hitter now at the age of 23, if he is available you do whatever it takes to get him and keep him from some other franchise.

Ned was quoted in the Daily news today saying that he's only interested in players who want to play baseball and not players where money is number one or something to that extent. Sounded like he was directing this at Hochevar. If we don't sign Luke I'll be rooting for a blown out arm. I'm not normally vindictive and the last time I actually rooted for a pitcher to blow out his arm or completely suck was Ben Christianson. Obviously Luke's karma won't be as bad as his since his only crime was to diss the Dodgers as oppossed to ruining a young mans life.

Matt Kemp has some baggage of his own that I've never seen discussed here. I would expect that other then Nate and Sanchez no one knows about this story but it probably should be discussed. It came up on John Sickels site after BA did a chat and mentioned his makeup and referred everyone to an old basketball teammate. We thought he'd gotten into a fight with said roommate but the reality was much worse.

He was never convicted of doing anything but just the same this was disturbing to me and maybe only me.

2006-05-23 14:21:33
315.   ToyCannon
I think Boras would fold like last year if he didn't think Luke was in a good position in the current draft but it looks like he'll go top ten because of the pathetic daft this year and get more then the Dodgers have been offering.
2006-05-23 14:38:07
316.   Jon Weisman
314 - Comparing Hochevar on any level to a guy who beaned an on-deck hitter seems like a remarkably hostile reaction. The worst Hochevar has done is 1) ask for a lot of money and 2) have second thoughts about settling for less.

I won't necesarily root for him in another uniform, but those things don't come close to being crimes. They may ultimately self-defeating acts, but they're otherwise victimless.

The Kemp thing could be more disturbing, but considering this is a four-year-old story and I assume that no arrests were ever made, it doesn't seem fair to hold it against him. Obviously, if I were personally acquainted with the events, I might feel differently.

2006-05-23 17:00:35
317.   autumnlanding
are guzman and laroche really expendible? it seems we have so much invested in them

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