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Juggling the Rotation
2006-09-02 16:37
by Jon Weisman

Tonight's starter for the Dodgers, Brad Penny, was listed in the team's game notes as the probable starter for Wednesday's game at Milwaukee - that would be on three days' rest. Aaron Sele is starting Sunday in place of injured Chad Billingsley, followed by Greg Maddux on Monday and Mark Hendrickson on Tuesday. So I'm wondering if Penny was listed in error in the spot where Derek Lowe would be - or if the Dodgers might be giving Lowe an extra day off after a frenetic week.

In any case, no word on when Hong-Chih Kuo's first start might be. Following their trip to Milwaukee, the Dodgers head to New York to place the National League-leading Mets.

Does it go without saying that the Dodgers need to be extra careful with Billingsley? Their history in judging recovery times for oblique injuries has not been impressive lately.

* * *

Tracking the Dodgers' pursuit of record roster usage in Los Angeles ... Marlon Anderson became the 47th member of the 2006 team. Six more to go to reach the record of 53, set in 1998. Though Einar Diaz is waiting in the wings, it looks like they'll fall short unless they make a few more callups.

* * *

Tonight's Game

Comments (525)
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2006-09-02 16:41:46
1.   Robert Daeley
Hey, if you get the WGN network from Chicago, Odalis Perez is pitching to Sandy Alomar Jr right now during the White Sox at Royals game. :)
2006-09-02 16:43:11
2.   Robert Daeley
Base hit to left.
2006-09-02 16:57:36
3.   gpellamjr
2 The advantage of having been his personal catcher.
2006-09-02 17:17:15
4.   Vaudeville Villain
I'm watching the Angels game because I'm bored, and someone ran onto the field. They stop the game, and Physioc and Hudler start talking about how the police might "treat the person badly.".

Hudler crazily brings up that when he was a Yankee, he used to sometimes go watch what they did to these guys. Maybe I'm crazy, but did he just imply that he used to get a kick out of watching police brutality?

2006-09-02 17:25:47
5.   Bluebleeder87
"and Mark Hendrickson on Tuesday"

stay tuned for that, i'm sure you know that Jon. :o)

2006-09-02 17:27:01
6.   Bluebleeder87
Sandy Alomar Jr was a stood hitter for us, plus i met him in the Dodger elevator a while back, really really nice guy.
2006-09-02 17:34:45
7.   King of the Hobos
The Devil Rays turned a 1-2-6-2 triple play today. Howell struck out the batter, Navarro threw out Beltre stealing 2nd, and Zobrist threw back home to get Jose Lopez.
2006-09-02 17:36:16
8.   Bluebleeder87
Jon Weisman is suffering from DT writers block, (i can tell) Jon just think of when you were a kid loving the Dodgers & what angered/what you loved about them, it's that easy!

ps come on bro! feed me with you're Dodger Thoughts.

2006-09-02 17:40:10
9.   gpellamjr
8 Poor Jon. One post per day isn't enough for your wolves.
2006-09-02 17:40:48
10.   Bluebleeder87
if i had Jon's writing skills i'd write about the goose bumps Raul Mondei gave me when i first saw him. (Kemp the new)
2006-09-02 17:42:39
11.   Bluebleeder87

NO! i needs Jon's point of view to fuel me! PERIOD!!

2006-09-02 17:43:05
12.   Jon Weisman
8 - It's not writer's block. I'm hanging with family and relaxing a bit, and therefore just posting sporadically for a week or so. This is not a 365-day-a-year deal.
2006-09-02 17:44:12
13.   Bluebleeder87
Jons favorite player groing up?? i don't know? favorite pitcher?.... i can go on & on!!
2006-09-02 17:45:46
14.   Greg Brock
12 Occupying the throne of the Philospher King means never having to explain one's actions.

Divine Right is good enough.

2006-09-02 17:46:01
15.   Bluebleeder87

i know you have you're opinions Jon, post them!

2006-09-02 17:48:16
16.   Bluebleeder87
It's not writer's block.

when somebody has a thought, you can't wait to share it!!, atleast that's my point of view.

2006-09-02 17:55:17
17.   Bluebleeder87
Jon is probably reading my post thinking what a jerk/un understading that guy is.
2006-09-02 17:56:37
18.   Steve
Somebody may want to drive Jermaine Dye home tonight.
2006-09-02 17:59:37
19.   Sam DC
So, how many hours til Nate wakes up?
2006-09-02 18:00:15
20.   Bluebleeder87

Ditto if that's how you think.

"I'll be your huckaberry" Tombstone quote

2006-09-02 18:00:40
21.   Ken Arneson
16 As Malcolm Gladwell said recently:

"I think that the immediacy of web publishing makes some people lazy. They type faster than they think; or they believe that a reaction is the same thing as an argument."

Gladwell has a good point. You should be quite thankful that Jon isn't in the habit of just spewing the first thing that comes to his head.

2006-09-02 18:01:42
22.   Bluebleeder87

i think nate will be with us soon.

2006-09-02 18:04:03
23.   Sam DC
Walking down to the burrito place with the family tonight, we came upon a couple of milk crates full of old records that someone had dumped by the side of the road. I got to take one out, and show it my son, and say "this is something called a record" and explain what it was. Pretty crazy.

Great stuff too -- cream, the band, old genesis, old floyd, beatles, captain fantastic, king crimson, queen, the who. And the kids (we were with another family) just went crazy looking at the artwork and wanting to take them home.

2006-09-02 18:04:42
24.   Bluebleeder87

1 thoughts are the purist! (please don't think i'm be a jerk) i'm real & i love that about me/hate that about me.

2006-09-02 18:08:32
25.   Ken Arneson
24 You are what you are; and that's fine. I'm just saying that if you try to change Jon into someone like that, you'd be changing the very thing that makes him so valuable.
2006-09-02 18:10:20
26.   Bluebleeder87
if you know me Jon speaks my true psychological thinking way, my spelling is really bad, just know that, i love this site for a reason.....
2006-09-02 18:10:26
27.   Ken Arneson
In other words, Jon puts the Thoughts into Dodger Thoughs. Let someone else start the Dodger Reactions blog.
2006-09-02 18:11:07
28.   Ken Arneson
And Jon even puts Thoughts into Dodger Thoughts, too.
2006-09-02 18:11:22
29.   Bluebleeder87

i swear i posted my thought before reading yours (look at the time of both)

2006-09-02 18:13:52
30.   Sam DC
Well, I hope I'm the only one who misread Ken's typo as "Dodger Thighs." Now there's a website with no ceiling.

Nationals take the lead on 8th inning homers by Zimmerman and Austin Kearns. Good to see that Bob Melvin too has mastered the art of leaving Livan Herenandez in too long.

2006-09-02 18:16:02
31.   Bluebleeder87
i really hope Kou starts against the rox tomorrow (i have a day off tomorrow)
2006-09-02 18:18:36
32.   Bluebleeder87
hey Sam i haven't seem much of Zimmerman but how do you see him at 3rd? is he the real deal there?
2006-09-02 18:20:08
33.   Linkmeister
23 Oh, man. I have absolutely no place to put them, but there's no way I'd have kept myself from dragging them home with me.
2006-09-02 18:21:02
34.   natepurcell
hey guys! hehe.
2006-09-02 18:21:59
35.   Sam DC
33 We live in a no-space row house, so I told my kid he could take two. On cover art alone, he picked Disraeli Gears and Foxtrot.

Then we're halfway down the block and my wife turns around, runs back, and grabs five more.

And we don't have a working turntable!

2006-09-02 18:22:50
36.   natepurcell
Sam, I actually woke up around 1 today. But i was not at home but at a friends house. and we just spent the last 5-6 hours eating super nachos from nicos and watching first season of arrested development.

great saturday.

2006-09-02 18:24:27
37.   Linkmeister
35 If you don't mind a proprietary cartridge, there are a couple of plastic-framed ones that run about $130.

I'm still trying to rehab my Pioneer PL-50A witht the beautiful wooden base.

2006-09-02 18:27:53
38.   Sam DC
32 Yeah -- he's super smooth, and has really good range. He racked up a bunch of throwing errors real early, but that problem has gone away. He's a great player.
2006-09-02 18:28:13
39.   natepurcell
The Betemit will go boom again tonight and i will announce it before greg brock this time.
2006-09-02 18:30:46
40.   Bluebleeder87
Sam, I actually woke up around 1 today. But i was not at home but at a friends house.

i hate that, you wake up & look around & say what?? Adrew Shimmin knows what i'm talking about.

2006-09-02 18:32:19
41.   Marty
My last turntable was a Duel
2006-09-02 18:33:22
42.   Marty
Or Dual, I forget how to spell it.
2006-09-02 18:34:54
43.   Linkmeister
You can still find plenty of Duals on E-Bay. Even some Garrards.
2006-09-02 18:35:21
44.   Andrew Shimmin
Nope, not me. Every day I wake up and it's still the California Institute for Men, cell #42.
2006-09-02 18:35:50
45.   Bluebleeder87
Marty i know what you mean.

Matt Kemp is in the line up!! (my eagle eye will be in affect tonight)

2006-09-02 18:36:11
46.   Greg Brock
I would just like to tell you all that I have a new hetro-man crush, and his name is Ben Olson.
2006-09-02 18:36:32
47.   natepurcell
I would think cells would not be edgy enough for you Andrew.

I guess I was wrong; you aren't really that edgy. for shame, for shame.

2006-09-02 18:37:07
48.   Sam DC
Douglas Adams' old cell.
2006-09-02 18:39:55
49.   Bluebleeder87

twin towers in downtown L.A. for me, 24 hours. quote from a cop
"sober up kid"

ps i wow'ed everybody in there doing 60 push ups that's right i'm confident about my athlethtic skills.

2006-09-02 18:40:14
50.   gpellamjr
Jim Tracy is a genius!
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2006-09-02 18:41:18
51.   gpellamjr
47 Andrew hasn't been edgy since he quit smoking. Smoking is so edgy-cool.
2006-09-02 18:41:25
52.   ToyCannon
Disraeli Gears-nice cover

Anyone our age should never not have a turntable.

2006-09-02 18:43:49
53.   Greg Brock
52 Disraeli Gears in mint condition...Got it. One of my prized possesions, along with a mint condition White Album.
2006-09-02 18:43:56
54.   gpellamjr
Speaking of old Floyd, a Matt Capps pitched for the Pirates tonight.
2006-09-02 18:44:02
55.   Bluebleeder87
ToyCannon is in the house!! nice to here from you bro!
2006-09-02 18:45:32
56.   gpellamjr
Bluebleeder's frisky tonight. I have a feeling he's been celebrating America's working class a couple days early.
2006-09-02 18:47:41
57.   Jon Weisman
Carlos Beltran just hurt his left knee making a fantastic game-saving catch with the tying runs on and two out in the ninth.
2006-09-02 18:48:01
58.   Bluebleeder87

i'm representing the blue color peaple today 57 Jon rocks so i'll be sible.

2006-09-02 18:49:09
59.   Jon Weisman
Beltran is walking off with assistance. Great catch, though.
2006-09-02 18:49:22
60.   natepurcell
pacifico or fat tire for tonight?
2006-09-02 18:51:01
61.   Bluebleeder87

old school bud light Nate, i'm blue color thrue & thrue.

2006-09-02 18:52:45
62.   gpellamjr
Cardinals lose! Is tonight the night?
2006-09-02 18:53:33
63.   natepurcell
I dont have bud light and im too lazy to go to the store. and I only drink bud light/miller lite/non good beer to get drunk.

well since i forgot to put the fat tire in my fridge i think the decision will be easier now.

Penny needs to snap out of his funk and he has owned the rockies in the past.

2006-09-02 18:53:34
64.   trainwreck
fat tire
2006-09-02 18:54:12
65.   Sam DC
Dioner Navarro and Adrian Beltre both in on a triple play in today's Rays/Mariners game.

2006-09-02 18:54:53
66.   Bluebleeder87

we have Penny pitching tonight (his attitude alone can move a mountain) i'm looking for a good game, no matter what i'm proud of my Dodgers.

2006-09-02 18:55:07
67.   trainwreck
Nevermind if its not cold beer. Dennis Hopper would be very angry.
2006-09-02 18:58:04
68.   Andrew Shimmin
Wait, let me get this straight, Pellam is questioning my edge? Pff. If DT were a silverware drawer, I'd be the cleaver, and Pellam would be a teaspoon.
2006-09-02 18:58:12
69.   Bluebleeder87

cool, hey Jon don't worry about me today, you invite me to you're thread & i'll be a good soldier sometimes i get overbored beacuse i'm a freaking micro guy....

2006-09-02 18:59:39
70.   Bluebleeder87

Wait, let me get this straight, Pellam is questioning my edge? Pff.

i feel you brotha don't even explain.

2006-09-02 19:02:59
71.   Greg Brock
68 I'd be a grapefruit spoon.
2006-09-02 19:04:37
72.   Bluebleeder87
Furcal, SS

Kemp, CF

Drew, RF

Kent, 2B

Nomar, 1B

Ethier, LF

Betemit, 3B

Martin, C

Penny, P

i'll be eagle eye today (Kemp) something tells me he hasn't changed but made adjustments i'm kind of like him my hips are trigger happy as well.

2006-09-02 19:07:17
73.   Sam DC
Hips don't lie.
2006-09-02 19:08:31
74.   Bluebleeder87
notice Matt Kemp's hips when the pitcher releace's the ball.
2006-09-02 19:09:08
75.   ToyCannon
Great story on 3.5 by John Sickels at

Free site

The gist is that the 24 year old 3.5 is having an historical year for a 24 year old LHH.

2006-09-02 19:10:37
76.   Bluebleeder87

Hips are a great indigater of one's greatness, if you adjust look out i'm sure you know what i'm talking about

2006-09-02 19:12:37
77.   gpellamjr
68 Let's be honest with ourselves. You padded your edge stats early, but after you quit smoking, you went into an historical edge slump. So overall you still look pretty good, but we regulars know what's been going on.
2006-09-02 19:13:47
78.   Sam DC
Definitely a good plan to take the guy who quit smoking and mock him as no longer cool.
2006-09-02 19:13:55
79.   Jim Ignatowski
Arkansas scores. USC leads 13-7 with 2:23 left in the first half.
2006-09-02 19:15:11
80.   gpellamjr
78 Hey, I call 'em as I see 'em. I don't like it, it's just the way it is. Or something.
2006-09-02 19:15:46
81.   Bluebleeder87
when ever i pitched i always made a habit of looking at the on deck hitter... baseball players insert you're thoughts.
2006-09-02 19:15:50
82.   Andrew Shimmin
77- Sigh. It's true. I've been looking up at replacement level edginess for a few weeks now. I'm going to end up a spork if I don't turn this thing around.
2006-09-02 19:17:26
83.   gpellamjr
82 Hey, man, you're at least a rather sharp butter knife. Give yourself a break.
2006-09-02 19:18:59
84.   Terry A
79 - Am I the only one here rooting for the Hogs?

82 - Balderdash. Even your slumps are edgy, Andrew.

2006-09-02 19:19:34
85.   Bluebleeder87
hard throwing pitchers don't get calls that slow throwers get.
2006-09-02 19:19:40
86.   Jim Ignatowski
Tonight's trivia question: Who did Peyton Manning replace as quarterback at Tennessee?
2006-09-02 19:21:45
87.   gpellamjr
86 Would it be more edgy to mention that your "who" ought to be "whom", or rather to reply with another oft-repeated anecdote of Vin's?
2006-09-02 19:22:22
88.   Bluebleeder87
Adrew rocks, i won't get into the psychological aspects of why he rocks...
2006-09-02 19:23:17
89.   Bluebleeder87
Andre Ethier is half Mexican!! whoo hoo!!
2006-09-02 19:26:03
90.   Bluebleeder87
Brad Penny is petching a good game so far.
2006-09-02 19:26:23
91.   natepurcell
so arizona is playing BYU tonight. they are probably going to lose.
2006-09-02 19:27:48
92.   Bluebleeder87
you live in Arizona no Nate?
2006-09-02 19:28:48
93.   JKB
By the power of Red Sanders:

UCLA 31-10 Final
Ben Olson 3TDs 312 YDs passing
UCLA 14-10 at the half

2006-09-02 19:29:37
94.   natepurcell

most of the year. i go to school in tucson.

2006-09-02 19:30:15
95.   natepurcell
nice. first play from LOS and BYU loses a fumble.
2006-09-02 19:30:53
96.   gpellamjr
The Rockies have their veteran presence on the field today... why am I not intimidated?
2006-09-02 19:32:09
97.   Underbruin
84 - Go Razorbacks (old UCLA quote I once heard: "My two favorite teams are the Bruins, and whoever is playing the Trojans this week").

93 - The Dodgers have the Bearded Jesus, the Bruins have Southpaw Jesus (one can only hope). Additionally, there were several passes Olson threw that really should have been caught but were dropped. He looks shockingly sharp for his first significant PT in, what, 5 years?

2006-09-02 19:33:04
98.   Terry A
What possible reason is there for the Rockies to play Barmes over Troy Whats-his-name, the promising rookie who's better than Barmes right now?
2006-09-02 19:33:17
99.   gpellamjr
97 An old OSU quote: "My two favorite teams are OSU and whoever is playing Michigan."
2006-09-02 19:33:48
100.   Jim Ignatowski
Padres up 2-0 on a Barfield HR.
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2006-09-02 19:34:10
101.   gpellamjr
98 Barmes knows how to win.
2006-09-02 19:34:16
102.   Mark Joseph

And look at the subtitle on that article: "Club performs unique feat for second time in team history"

Uniqueness, like nostalgia, ain't what it used to be.

2006-09-02 19:34:17
103.   Underbruin
99 - Yeah, probably similar germs (dunno who came first - probably tOSU/UM).
2006-09-02 19:35:51
104.   Terry A
101 - Where, exactly, did he learn it? It sure wasn't with the Rockies. :-)
2006-09-02 19:36:25
105.   Bluebleeder87

my best friend lives out there, i gave him a lecture about him moving out there... again my writing skills

2006-09-02 19:37:21
106.   natepurcell
ummm... why is tj sime-, i mean david aldridge the sideline reporter on tbs for the arizona byu game?
2006-09-02 19:38:23
107.   Bluebleeder87

my favorite player is always the inderdog.

2006-09-02 19:38:52
108.   Bluebleeder87
Ethier is half Mexican!!! woo!!!
2006-09-02 19:38:56
109.   Sam DC
How could Jeff George already have been cut? What did they think they were getting?
2006-09-02 19:39:11
110.   trainwreck
Southpaw Jesus lived up the hype today.
2006-09-02 19:39:19
111.   gpellamjr
103 I don't know. But the problem, ut opinor, is that it's almost always better for OSU if Michigan wins every game it plays except the one against OSU.
2006-09-02 19:40:09
112.   trainwreck
Jeff George was brought just so he could learn the offense. If anyone gets hurt the Raiders will have someone familiar with their system to call.
2006-09-02 19:40:40
113.   natepurcell
thats what happens when you have a weak arm.
2006-09-02 19:40:42
114.   Greg Brock
Southpaw Jesus throws for 300 yards, the defense looks better, and Petros Papadakis looks like a moron. All in all, it was a very good day.
2006-09-02 19:41:48
115.   Bluebleeder87

i know my 1 of my best friends i know he's running away... smart people please apply.

2006-09-02 19:43:13
116.   Linkmeister
114 "A very good day?" Hah! UH's offense took the first half off and then threw two incomplete passes into the end zone at the end to fall short, losing to Alabama 25-17.

Good day my patootie.

2006-09-02 19:43:41
117.   Bluebleeder87

i would never pur mit my arm to have a bad game (ego/hard to explaim)

2006-09-02 19:45:57
118.   Bluebleeder87

Sorry Jon (bad spelling)

2006-09-02 19:47:07
119.   Bluebleeder87

i don't know football at all but i bet his D sucked.

2006-09-02 19:48:07
120.   Terry A
No need, IMO, to apologize for 117, but could you explain 115? I have no clue what it meant.
2006-09-02 19:50:08
121.   gpellamjr
115 Is that like the applications for Stephen Colbert's black friend? Have you lost your one smart friend?
2006-09-02 19:50:18
122.   Underbruin
114 - Darn right. :)

111 - That's sort of the issue with that style of statement, isn't it? I think, though, that at the end of the day I'd rather see USC lose every game than see them win all but the UCLA game. It's a winning sort of mentality - if the Bruins go undefeated, it doesn't matter if the Trojans do well or not, because UCLA's still going to look good at the end of the year. Additionally, the worse off USC looks, the better off UCLA does in recruiting (as it's a zero-sum game with USC and UCLA being by far the two biggest southern California football schools), which can effect years and years of seasons down the road.

2006-09-02 19:52:18
123.   CanuckDodger
Elbert made what will probably be his final regular season appearance for the year tonight. Much like Billingsley, Elbert finished the season he began in high A in Double A, and probably like Billingsley he will spend all of the following year (next year for Elbert) in Double A. So how does this season for Elbert compare with Billingsley's high A/Double A season?

Billingsley, high A & Double A combined:

134.1 IP, 100 H's, 7 HR's, 71 BB's, 158 K's, 2.55 ERA

Elbert, high A & Double A combined:

146.0 IP, 97 H's, 15 HR's, 85 BB's, 173 K's, 2.90 ERA

Lots of K's and lots of walks, though not an obscene amount of walks. Elbert gave up hits at a lower rate (though both were hard to hit). Elbert surrendered home runs at a worse rate, but his home run problems did not really exist at all till he moved up to Double A. Billingsley's performance has to be considered much more impressive because he did it a year younger than Elbert. Billingsley was in his first full season out of high school, Elbert in his second. But Elbert gets some bonus points for being a southpaw, and he throws a change-up, which Billingsley does not have at all, or at least Billingsley does not have a change-up he wants to throw in a game situation.

2006-09-02 19:52:55
124.   Sam DC
I've never quite gotten The Juice Blog: "I'm looking for a publisher that has good inroads to Christian book stores, porn shops, and a 6 figure signing bonus."

Aren't we all.

2006-09-02 19:53:12
125.   Bluebleeder87

for a small guy 5'7 1/2 i was blesed witha great arm, & i'm not a stupid guy i know i have a great arm so i keep it in shape. (60 push ups in less than a munite) shake my hand. PERIOD.

2006-09-02 19:58:51
126.   Terry A
Might be time to start thinking about some coffee, Bluebleeder. Just a suggestion, of course.

124 - I never "appreciated" The Juice nor did I understand its place at the Toaster. Again, just one person's worthless opinion.

2006-09-02 19:59:23
127.   natepurcell
I think Kemp was expecting alot of breaking balls.
2006-09-02 19:59:35
128.   gpellamjr
126 My understanding is that it's all about tipping sacred cows.
2006-09-02 20:01:35
129.   Bluebleeder87
Colorado did there home work, Kemp should have been smarter.

ps bat speed like Kemps is priceless.

2006-09-02 20:05:22
130.   natepurcell
Nomar changed his batting stance.
2006-09-02 20:05:52
131.   natepurcell
net result of chnaged batting stance= 3 run homerun.
2006-09-02 20:06:09
132.   gpellamjr
130 I was just going to ask if anyone else noticed.
2006-09-02 20:06:11
133.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Do not taunt Happy Fun Nomar.
2006-09-02 20:06:45
134.   KG16
Straight away center field at Dodger Stadium at night, not too bad. Who said this team doesn't have power?
2006-09-02 20:08:44
135.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
134 - The stat sheet, sadly.
2006-09-02 20:09:33
136.   Bob Timmermann
The #2 seed beckons. The difference between the #2 seed and the #3 seed is pretty much negligible judging by the Dodgers record against the Cardinals.
2006-09-02 20:09:37
137.   Bluebleeder87

my baseball resumy is realy good Nate, i can prove it with facts winning our Jalisco champioship & me strinking out 16 batters, throwing 2 no hitters.... pent up anger works wonders for a guy.

2006-09-02 20:10:12
138.   Terry A
Arkansas, by the way, is toast. USC is beginning to pull away.
2006-09-02 20:10:22
139.   natepurcell
MIF defense for the rockies is not their strongsuit.
2006-09-02 20:11:05
140.   natepurcell

when did i ever question your baseball background?

2006-09-02 20:12:33
141.   StolenMonkey86
Hey, Penny's only thrown 40 pitches through 3
2006-09-02 20:14:09
142.   KG16
136 - yes, but the second seed looks really good if the Phillies or Marlins win the Wild Card. Or if the Reds pass the Cards.
2006-09-02 20:14:30
143.   Disabled List
Just got home from watching the UCLA game at a Bruins bar in Chelsea. It was nice to see all the Bruins' partisans showing up in cold and rainy Manhattan to see the beautiful blue skies over the Rose Bowl. Thankfully, the game had a very satisfying outcome.

And even better, I got home just in time to see Nomar's dinger. So far, the day's been pretty good!

Too bad Cal laid an egg today, but I guess you can't win 'em all.

2006-09-02 20:16:16
144.   Bluebleeder87
Matt Kemp Rocks!
2006-09-02 20:16:32
145.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Kemp says, "I got yer Rate2 right here!"
2006-09-02 20:16:47
146.   natepurcell
okay i think kemp can play centerfield. wow he covered amazing amount of ground there.
2006-09-02 20:16:58
147.   Terry A
Hey, I just saw an ad for Ted Danson's new show on ABC.

Now I know why Jon's been holed up lately. The end of the world is nigh.

2006-09-02 20:18:16
148.   StolenMonkey86
48 pitches, 4 innings for Penny
2006-09-02 20:18:30
149.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
147 - At least it's not Tony danza. That guy must've had incriminating pictures of every powerful executive in Hollywood.
2006-09-02 20:18:30
150.   gpellamjr
Penny has now thrown 48 pitches through four innings.
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2006-09-02 20:18:34
151.   StolenMonkey86
this is a good game
2006-09-02 20:19:18
152.   Bluebleeder87


2006-09-02 20:19:21
153.   Icaros

That's what the Mets said in '88, Mr. Nonbeliever.

2006-09-02 20:19:57
154.   oswald
disabled list,

which bar in chelsea? my brother went to ucla and lives in nyc and always complains that he never has anyone to watch ucla games with.

2006-09-02 20:20:31
155.   ecblue
143 -There's a Bruins bar in Chelsea?!? Where?
2006-09-02 20:21:30
156.   Bob Timmermann
I'm sure the bars in Chelsea will be packed with UCLA alums wanting to watch the Rice game next week.
2006-09-02 20:21:31
157.   Fallout
>>Penny has now thrown 48 pitches through four innings<<

That's pretty good!

2006-09-02 20:22:24
158.   Bob Timmermann
Hey, Rice is clobbering Houston. The Owls are not what they seem.
2006-09-02 20:23:18
159.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Vin just said this is a "Saturday night fever kind of crowd."
Is everyone wearing white three-piece suits? Strutting down the sidewalk while carrying cans of paint?
2006-09-02 20:23:26
160.   gpellamjr
157 Darn tootin'!
2006-09-02 20:25:10
161.   Bluebleeder87

"you told me 4 dollars" scratching head

2006-09-02 20:25:39
162.   Bob Timmermann
Georgia Tech will not beat Notre Dame because their home jerseys are too pale.

Notre Dame is winning in typical annoying Notre Dame fashion. Notre Dame is the Scott Podsednik of college football.

2006-09-02 20:26:09
163.   Bluebleeder87

"i cut my self shaving" saturday night fever" quote

2006-09-02 20:28:39
164.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
In addition to his nice piece on Ethier--basically, that it's a bit unclear what his real performance level is, although it's clear his debut has been tremendous--Sickels also picks us to win the WS at

I personally think that if Liriano comes back healthy, Minnesota might ride him and Santana all the way.

Of course, I'll be rooting for the Blue the whole way.


2006-09-02 20:28:42
165.   Mark Joseph
I'm having a little trouble with my radio reception--I thought I just heard that Colorado sacrificed in the 5th inning, down by six; of course, that can't be right. What really happened?
2006-09-02 20:29:59
166.   scareduck
The Dodgers might have gotten a break on that play. Looked to me like Barmes was safe.
2006-09-02 20:30:23
167.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Any word on when Kuo might start? I'm a bit disappointed, although I don't think its the end of the world, that we're starting Sele over Kuo this weekend.


2006-09-02 20:30:43
168.   StolenMonkey86
Gameday isn't responding. What happened?
2006-09-02 20:31:27
169.   Icaros

When the God of Gameday wants you to know, you will.

2006-09-02 20:32:04
170.   scareduck
124 - neither did Rich Lederer. Scott Long can be funny, but you're right, it's a strange collaboration that probably doesn't belong here. But I don't pay the bills.
2006-09-02 20:32:12
171.   gpellamjr
166 And I'll bet Colorado's tv broadcast team is pinning the fact that the Rocks are losing on that play.
2006-09-02 20:32:43
172.   Bluebleeder87
Jon isn't making his game day apperance??
2006-09-02 20:33:15
173.   StolenMonkey86
167 - on the contrary, I like seeing Sele get the start Sunday. Kuo might be inserted to give Penny more than 3 days rest, and Sele is better at home
2006-09-02 20:33:25
174.   natepurcell
drew and kent are getting very healthy. excellent.
2006-09-02 20:33:28
175.   Bluebleeder87
Josh this one is for you!! (punching bag responded)
2006-09-02 20:34:44
176.   Icaros
Way to be, J.D.
2006-09-02 20:35:15
177.   Bluebleeder87
Ethier is half Mexican!!! PAISANO!!
2006-09-02 20:35:16
178.   scareduck
168 - Clint Barmes at first, and Aaron Cook at the plate sacrificing him over, Matsui hit himself with the ball outside the batter's box. It resulted in Barmes being hauled back to first, and he was caught stealing in the next at bat.
2006-09-02 20:35:27
179.   Disabled List
154, 155

Jake's Saloon on 23rd St. at 7th Ave. The place was taken over by Bruins fans, at least 70-80 of them came out tonight. Good bar, nice HD tv's, but the food and drinks are a little pricey ($6.50 for a pint of beer, which is expensive even for Manhattan.) I believe the UCLA Alumni Association gathers there for every football game.

The Washington State fans had a much smaller contingent show up at Jake's for the Auburn game. They didn't make much noise.

2006-09-02 20:35:50
180.   Terry A
167, 173

I agree with both of you (sort of). I'd like to see Kuo start in Hendrickson's place. Sele is the right choice to sub for Billingsley this time.

2006-09-02 20:36:29
181.   Bluebleeder87
7-0 Dodgers.
2006-09-02 20:38:02
182.   Disabled List
162 Win or lose, I think Notre Dame is proving to be almost as overrated as Cal.
2006-09-02 20:39:45
183.   Bob Timmermann
Every time a sportswriter says college football is better when Notre Dame is good, God feeds a kitten to an owl.
2006-09-02 20:41:07
184.   Terry A

That's my favorite line from "It's a Wonderful Life."

2006-09-02 20:41:09
185.   Bluebleeder87
Dodger baseball is way to much for the west, Loney (i swear his glove has gold glove written all over it, look at Kemps glove in center, the jump he gets)
2006-09-02 20:41:10
186.   Icaros

That makes for some cool owl pellets.

2006-09-02 20:41:34
187.   trainwreck
If only GT threw to Calvin Johnson when they were in the redzone the second time.
2006-09-02 20:43:02
188.   Terry A
186 will be a blurb on the back cover of "The Best of Dodger Thoughts 2."
2006-09-02 20:43:39
189.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
I'm happy to hear that Kemp looks much better in CF. I assume he worked on that down in AAA. If he can play a competent CF, that bat of his could be downright monstrous.


2006-09-02 20:43:56
190.   Marty
Hey, SC might still be good.
2006-09-02 20:44:46
191.   Bluebleeder87
being a huge Dodger fan i could not there wearing #55.
2006-09-02 20:44:58
192.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
I still remember being disappointed that Katsui signed with the Mets over the Dodgers the winter before he came over.

Shows you how much I know about baseball....


2006-09-02 20:45:32
193.   Marty
Don't the GLB play Notre Dame also this year?
2006-09-02 20:45:43
194.   Bob Timmermann
11 Ks on 90 pitches for Peavy through 7 innings against the Reds. Padres lead 3-1.

So, when the Padres come to town, I think it's pretty safe to just chalk that one up as a loss. That would be a good game to start someone like Sele or Hendrickson or Kuo.

2006-09-02 20:46:00
195.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 180

Fair enough--I'm biased when it comes to Kuo. =) I feel so conflicted that the first potential Taiwanese star in the bigs is a Yankee. Ouch....


2006-09-02 20:46:09
196.   gpellamjr
If Vin had told me to stop biting my nails when I was that age, I would have stopped.
2006-09-02 20:46:31
197.   StolenMonkey86
192 - Well, he was good in Japan
2006-09-02 20:47:46
198.   gpellamjr
191 Verbs, man, we need verbs!
2006-09-02 20:48:31
199.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 197

Which makes his cratering here so odd...

I've never heard of a good explanation of what happened to him in the states.

Penny's got runs to work with, but he still needs to settle down. It'd be nice to give the pen a break today.


2006-09-02 20:49:35
200.   Bluebleeder87

i wonder if any of my thoughts will make, best of Dodger thoughts? Jon?? be honest.

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2006-09-02 20:50:27
201.   ecblue
179 - Thanks. May have to pop down there for a game sometime.
2006-09-02 20:50:43
202.   Bluebleeder87

i coulnd't, really bad habit of mine.

2006-09-02 20:51:35
203.   natepurcell
furcal touched 2b before hawpe did. hawpe should be out.
2006-09-02 20:51:58
204.   Icaros
This inning is really stupid.
2006-09-02 20:52:11
205.   Bob Timmermann

I will be watching the GLBs playing in South Bend on 10/21. I don't anticipate a favorable outcome, but I'm sure my brother and I will have a fun time nonetheless.

2006-09-02 20:52:19
206.   Nagman
Is there some strange reason why that isn't a force play anymore?
2006-09-02 20:52:22
207.   natepurcell

i'll be honest.

probably not.

2006-09-02 20:52:27
208.   Disabled List
Wow, that was an awful call.
2006-09-02 20:52:39
209.   scareduck
Does Doug Eddings have nude pictures of Bud Selig with a goat?
2006-09-02 20:53:03
210.   Johnson
Sounds like the "neighborhood rule" now applies to runners.
2006-09-02 20:54:14
211.   natepurcell
eddings is going to cost us this game.
2006-09-02 20:55:00
212.   Icaros
Penny is so disappointing.
2006-09-02 20:55:08
213.   Disabled List
Another disappointing outing by Penny. Just when I thought we were gonna get a breather, too...
2006-09-02 20:55:21
214.   Bluebleeder87

my mind thinks maybe, with an explation next to it, Nate you're cruel!!

2006-09-02 20:55:44
215.   Terry A
Gameday-ing it. Is Penny melting down over the apparent umpiring ineptitude?
2006-09-02 20:55:55
216.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 211

Well, with a seven run lead into the sixth, Penny needs to be able to protect it, bad call or not.

Who's warming in the pen?


2006-09-02 20:56:00
217.   Icaros
Cory Sullivan is the worst hitter in the division, next to Clint Barmes.
2006-09-02 20:56:04
218.   Nagman
Penny is happy, he qualifies for the win should the Dodgers maintain the lead.
2006-09-02 20:56:40
219.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
I'm happy to see Penny taken out. I was worried Grittle would leave him in.


2006-09-02 20:57:37
220.   Bluebleeder87
Jon can read my opinion, not judge it!! :o)
2006-09-02 21:00:18
221.   scareduck
215 - it didn't help.
2006-09-02 21:00:39
222.   Bluebleeder87
7-5 Dodgers jikes!

but Dessens restores order. Dodgers to bat.

2006-09-02 21:00:56
223.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Whew. Dessens restores order.

Penny is so NOT an ace. Still a no. 2, and I think he'll eventually right the ship, but that was pretty disappointing.


2006-09-02 21:01:56
224.   gpellamjr
So what's the cry now? Maybe "Maddux and Lowe and pray Billz can throw!"?
2006-09-02 21:02:38
225.   natepurcell
Does a high strand rate suggest mental toughness needed for an ace or just luck?
2006-09-02 21:02:52
226.   StolenMonkey86
219 - Grady wouldn't leave him in in the 5th inning under the circumstances, remember. Our bullpen is better than the Bosox in 03, too.
2006-09-02 21:03:37
227.   Bluebleeder87
it didn't help.

it always helps the runner, it realy helps the defender.

2006-09-02 21:03:43
228.   Icaros

Depends on who you ask.

2006-09-02 21:03:52
229.   StolenMonkey86
Penny's game score: 34
2006-09-02 21:04:31
230.   natepurcell

Icaros, I choose you!

2006-09-02 21:04:44
231.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 224

At this point, I'd take a healthy Bills over Penny.

I really would like to see what Kuo might be able to do.

Baseball gawds willing, my playoff rotation would be, at this point:


I can't ignore Penny's postseason record, unless he continues to tank.


2006-09-02 21:06:33
232.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 225

I assume a high strand rate could also come from a good K rate. Penny's never really been a strikeout machine. He only had 2 today for example.


2006-09-02 21:06:52
233.   Icaros
Icaros, I choose you!

I can't even begin to think about knowing how to answer that question.

2006-09-02 21:07:00
234.   Bluebleeder87

i choose a guy with the back ground of Valenzuela/Russell Martin.

2006-09-02 21:07:21
235.   Nagman
225 Doesn't "mental toughness" belong in the same category as "clutch", "confidence", and "chemistry"?
2006-09-02 21:07:25
236.   Greg Brock
Do the Dodgers play today? If so, I hope they win.

Honestly, I'm so intoxicated by the performance of Southpaw Jesus at the Rose Bowl, a Dodger win is a plus.

2006-09-02 21:08:52
237.   gpellamjr
233 A great quote from a so-so movie.
2006-09-02 21:09:14
238.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
RE: 235

Yeah, but it's measurable in things like K rate in my view. That's something pitchers can control, so presumably a pitcher who doesn't tighten up from anxiety and stress would be more successful at King opponents with men on base than someone's who's mechanics fall apart at the first sign of trouble.


2006-09-02 21:10:18
239.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Erhhhh... I take it the "Southpaw Jesus" is UCLA's new QB?

Just out of curiosity, do lefty QBs have any advantage over righties in football?


2006-09-02 21:10:32
240.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA and Utah played in a brisk 3:09. That's probably one of the fastest games UCLA has played in several years.
2006-09-02 21:10:37
241.   Icaros
Gameday is telling me that Matt Kemp still has no plate discipline.
2006-09-02 21:10:46
242.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Man, Kemp looks dreadful at the plate today.


2006-09-02 21:11:51
243.   Nagman
Why do they call him that besides the fact he is a lefty? (I did spend a short time researching but nothing came right out).
2006-09-02 21:11:54
244.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 241

It could just be butterfiles, and him trying too hard to impress.


2006-09-02 21:11:58
245.   StolenMonkey86
Gameday headline: "Braves rally on Laroche's blast."
2006-09-02 21:12:01
246.   Icaros

That's one of my favorite movies ever. I'm glad someone noticed.

2006-09-02 21:13:35
247.   StolenMonkey86
Loaded for Kent
2006-09-02 21:13:38
248.   Bob Timmermann

I believe that nickname was embroidered out of whole cloth or stemmed from the fact that Ben Olson took two years off to go on a Mormon mission.

I think he was just fired up because he was told that the Beehive Boot was at stake.

2006-09-02 21:14:07
249.   gpellamjr
246 I prefered The Life Aquatic, and just saw Rushmore, which I loved.
2006-09-02 21:14:36
250.   Bob Timmermann
I like this headline:

Rays turn triple play against Mariners
Club performs unique feat for second time in team history

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2006-09-02 21:14:36
251.   Greg Brock
239 Left handed quarterbacks usually have a disadvantage, because receivers aren't used to the spiral of a southpaw. The ball feels different, because the ball spins in an opposite direction.

Luckily, Southpaw Jesus is Southpaw Jesus. The receivers will get used to it. Plus, God is guiding the football.

Yes, I'm kidding.

2006-09-02 21:14:55
252.   Nagman
238 Oh, so he'd be clutch. (yes, and I still believe in Santa Clause, and still refuse to believe that clutch, chemistry and confidence don't exist but I'm only admitting that because it's a slow night here).
2006-09-02 21:15:16
253.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 248

If he went on mission, he may not be a big fan of the nickname, which the religious might see as sacrilegious.


2006-09-02 21:16:05
254.   Bob Timmermann
People tell me I should like Wes Anderson's films. So I go to them. And after I leave each one, I feel like I'm missing something because I can't stand them. They make me want to take a nap.
2006-09-02 21:16:06
255.   twerp
86 Going back a ways, question asking who Peyton Manning replaced at QB for the University of Tennessee....

Todd Helton. Helton saw Manning play QB and quickly decided his own future lay in baseball. Good career move for both, as it turned out...

2006-09-02 21:17:25
256.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 253

Then again, I've never met a Catholic who really minded references to the "Touchdown Jesus" statue at Notre Dame.


2006-09-02 21:18:33
257.   Icaros

I like Life Aquatic, but Tenenbaums is my favorite, with Rushmore an extremely close second.

I love movies that have the ability to make me laugh like a hyena and cry like a Royals fan all at once.

2006-09-02 21:18:52
258.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Is there some other reason Repko's running for Kent? I like Grittle, but it seems an odd move in the bottom of the sixth.


2006-09-02 21:20:04
259.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
6 RBI for Nomah!
2006-09-02 21:20:04
260.   Andrew Shimmin
102- I wouldn't take 250 personally. Bob is just lashing out at the people who posted things that were already up at the Griddle.
2006-09-02 21:20:37
261.   Bob Timmermann

Let me introduce myself.

2006-09-02 21:21:27
262.   Greg Brock
254 Oh, Bob, that hurts. Rushmore is one of the great movies of my generation. The Royal Tenenbaums is a wonderful statement about how genius is nothing without family. The Life Aquatic is hilarious.

I thought I knew you, Bob Timmermann.

2006-09-02 21:21:32
263.   Bob Timmermann

I sit deeply abashed....

2006-09-02 21:22:33
264.   underdog
Why shouldn't Kent be lifted at this point? Maybe having Anderson run for him would have made more sense though.

Great hit by Nomar.

Now, why do fans not have the ability to control themselves when a ball is in play near them? That fan almost interfered with Nomar's double.

2006-09-02 21:22:39
265.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 261

Well, I spoke too soon, didn't I....


2006-09-02 21:23:10
266.   Fallout
Watch Clemens (for example) when he has runners on. He bears down and throws even better pitches than when there is no one on base. Can't say that about Penny.
2006-09-02 21:23:19
267.   Icaros
I love Richie Tenenbaum's Wimbledon meltdown.
2006-09-02 21:23:54
268.   natepurcell
great AB and baserunning by 3.5
2006-09-02 21:24:03
269.   Andrew Shimmin
263- I'm just lashing out because Pellam made me feel uncool, earlier. It's cycle of violence night at DT.
2006-09-02 21:24:05
270.   gpellamjr
The Rockies are Dodger fans... or they hate the Cardinals.
2006-09-02 21:24:06
271.   underdog
Rushmore and Bottle Rocket are near perfect in my opinion. The others not as much, though I still like them quite a bit I can understand why some people wouldn't.
2006-09-02 21:24:19
272.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 264

Well, if I knew Nomah was going to bust the game open, I wouldn't have questioned the move. I guess I was just paranoid about a Colorado rally, and I wanted Kent's bat still in the game.

With Lugo staying in to play 2B, and Lofton still on the bench, I suppose using Repko as the pinch runner makes sense.


2006-09-02 21:25:53
273.   gpellamjr
269 I'm extremely pleased with the way things turned out. I love Chaos!
2006-09-02 21:26:43
274.   Terry A
Which means Lofton can enter this game as a defensive replacement.
2006-09-02 21:26:51
275.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
With Diaz up, I hope Grittle gives Martin the rest of the night off and lets Hall catch a few innings.


2006-09-02 21:27:19
276.   Andrew Shimmin
273- I went out and shoplifted a carton of extra-high nicotine cigarettes, and then I smoked them all at once, like a cartoon, because of you. I hope you can live with that on your conscience.
2006-09-02 21:28:00
277.   scareduck
The Dodgers might win this game.
2006-09-02 21:28:17
278.   underdog
272 Ah, gotcha.

And yes I agree with 275

I'm happy with my fantasy draft tonight and with the Dodgers. Now if I could only get my g/f to turn this atrocious Sci-Fi channel movie off.

2006-09-02 21:28:25
279.   Disabled List
USC must really miss Bush, Leinart, and White. Last year they hung 70 on Arkansas; tonight, they've only been able to score 50.
2006-09-02 21:28:37
280.   StolenMonkey86
11 runs total scored in the 6th
2006-09-02 21:29:01
281.   gpellamjr
276 You had become a shell of a man. Glad to have you back.
2006-09-02 21:29:21
282.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 277

Too bad SD might win its game also.


2006-09-02 21:29:44
283.   Greg Brock
276 See, people never understand why smoking is a postitive. I try to tell them..."Smoking makes you more calm, smarter, more relaxed, confident, honest, better looking, and friendly."

Nobody believes me.

2006-09-02 21:30:05
284.   gpellamjr
278 I can't wait till the movie stemming from "Who Wants To Be a Super Hero"! Feedback is awesome, I must say.
2006-09-02 21:30:21
285.   Icaros

I didn't think the Sci-Fi Channel had females in its target demographic.

Next you're going to tell me she's TIVOing a program on Spike.

2006-09-02 21:31:08
286.   gpellamjr
282 It's all about the magic number, baby. It would still shrink by one.
2006-09-02 21:32:08
287.   Terry A
284 - Ed Grimley sighting? That would totally decent, I must say.
2006-09-02 21:34:16
288.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
According to Gurnick's latest notes, Kuo would be an option Friday night if Bills is still out, and if Sele is ineffective tomorrow.


2006-09-02 21:34:55
289.   natepurcell
the computer picked a crappy fantasy team for me.
2006-09-02 21:35:16
290.   Andrew Shimmin
283- You left off great-smelling, and fun to take plane trips with.
2006-09-02 21:36:21
291.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
If Kuo won't start until Friday at the earliest, I think he should pitch the eighth and ninth tonight. Tomko, the Bull, and Sammy could use the break.


2006-09-02 21:37:06
292.   Greg S
Leaving the extra inning loss in Arizona last Friday, I turned on the radio to listen to the D-Back guys breathlessly talk about how they had climbed back into the race and how "never say Di-amondback" (this is their odd motto) was never so meaningful.
Glad to see them lose 2 tonight and fall to 9 back one week later.
2006-09-02 21:37:38
293.   Gagne55
I don't think Penny will go Wednesday on short rest after this craptastic start.
2006-09-02 21:37:39
294.   gpellamjr
287 It wasn't intentional, but I was aware of it after I submitted. I'm not ashamed.
2006-09-02 21:37:40
295.   Nagman
My fantasy season pretty much ended today. I play in a 16 team keeper league so talent is very hard to come by. Domanick Davis was my #1 RB... he was put on IR today so there will be no 2006 season for him.
2006-09-02 21:37:44
296.   Bob Timmermann
One of the people sitting behind me at the Rose Bowl left at halftime to smoke. And smoke a lot. He still smelled of tobacco for about 15 minutes after he got back to his seat.

Eventually, someone came back with an order of garlic fries to create a much better smell.

2006-09-02 21:38:04
297.   Greg S
Lofton has been teaching Kemp how to take crazy routes to the ball.
2006-09-02 21:39:13
298.   Gagne55
291 Who was added as bullpen depth on September 1? Just go with mop-up.
2006-09-02 21:40:38
299.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Hamulack, but can he go two? Was Gio called up? I don't recall seeing his name. And Sele's slated to start.


2006-09-02 21:40:42
300.   gpellamjr
I'm curious to know if there is anything else to this Tom Petty song.
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2006-09-02 21:41:32
301.   Steve
I think the goat has the pictures of Doug Eddings with Bud Selig.
2006-09-02 21:42:06
302.   Marty
Wes Anderson is way over rated in my opinion. Tennenbaums is the only one I even remotely liked. Rushmore made me angry, but I can't really remember why by now.
2006-09-02 21:42:15
303.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Also, Kuo could use the work. He hasn't pitched since Sunday I think.


2006-09-02 21:42:17
304.   Gagne55
I looked at the benches on gameday and Hamulak and Carrarra are not there. Looks like the Dodgers still have but a 12 man staff.
2006-09-02 21:42:33
305.   natepurcell
larry fitz, santana moss and rod davis is my wr corp.

isnt too bad although im probably going to need to get someone to replace rod davis.

2006-09-02 21:42:54
306.   King of the Hobos
No pitcher was called up, just Diaz, Kemp, and Loney.
2006-09-02 21:43:23
307.   Gagne55
If Hamulak is there, though, he could go two. (Assuming he doesn't get shelled out of there; it is Hamulak after all)
2006-09-02 21:44:18
308.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
I'm a little surprised Hamulak wasn't called up. Not so much with Gio.


2006-09-02 21:44:19
309.   Marty
This Dodger game turned into USC-Arkansas
2006-09-02 21:44:47
310.   King of the Hobos
However, Houlton really wants to be called up:
9 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K tonight

Delwyn went 2-4 and Laroche hit a homer. Jamie Hoffman, making his first AAA start, went 1-2 with a BB, HBP, and a SB.

2006-09-02 21:44:57
311.   Nagman
That's interesting, the ticker on KCAL has the Padre game in the 8th, same point where Gameday is stuck, but that game is long over.
2006-09-02 21:45:00
312.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Kemp picking up where he left off when sent down.
2006-09-02 21:45:14
313.   Gagne55
Aparently, the Dodgers are waiting for the end of Las Vegas' season to call up the pitchers. Carrarra and Hamulak will surely be called up then.

Looks like Hendrickson is warming up in the pen...

2006-09-02 21:45:34
314.   Disabled List
Matt Kemp does not eat Chuck Norris' cornflakes.

At least not tonight.

2006-09-02 21:45:45
315.   Greg Brock
One of the great things about smoking cigars is that most people hate them. Not only do you guarantee personal space, but you get to annoy people who love to be annoyed. A lot of people like to complain...When I smoke a cigar, I give them a real reason to complain.
2006-09-02 21:45:59
316.   King of the Hobos
308 Hamulack couldn't be called up due to the 10 day rule. He was "sent" to Vero as their season ends tomorrow (Jacksonville and Vegas end on Monday). He'll be back on Monday.
2006-09-02 21:46:04
317.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
309 - Minus "Conquest" played ad infinitum.
2006-09-02 21:46:33
318.   Icaros
I hope this terrible game for Kemp is similar to his terrible debut, meaning he goes on a tear starting tomorrow.
2006-09-02 21:46:52
319.   Disabled List
311 The Dodger Stadium scoreboard is stuck too. Vin just noticed it.
2006-09-02 21:47:15
320.   underdog
285 Heh. Yeah, my g/f likes crazy sci-fi and fantasy stuff. But, much to my relief, Spike repulses her.

We may pop in my Galaxy Quest dvd soon though because this movie is just bad.

But then we were momentarily distracted by a giant spider that had invaded the living room, and briefly reenacted a scene from Annie Hall. (I came back into the room mimicking Woody Allen, "That's a really big spider - got a spider the size of a Buick" and looked for a tennis racquet.)

Wait, are the Dodgers still playing? ;-)

2006-09-02 21:48:59
321.   Gagne55
Holten, Miller, and Osoria are all on the 40, I think, meaning they might get called up.

Some dude named Mark Alexander has been a beast in Jacksonville this year.

2006-09-02 21:49:18
322.   Icaros
Spike repulses her.

What about The Ultimate Fighter?

2006-09-02 21:49:21
323.   underdog
Boy, everything Matt Kemp promised he'd worked on since last time he was up sure hasn't been apparent tonight. Oh well.
2006-09-02 21:49:24
324.   Disabled List
Sasquatch sighting.
2006-09-02 21:49:25
325.   Nagman
It ended 7-1 I think. Peavy CG, 14 K's and I think his arm was still attached to his body at the end of the game.
2006-09-02 21:50:22
326.   Bob Timmermann
Actually, "Tribute to Troy" is the most frequently played song by the USC band with "Fight On" as the second most.

I counted during a game. My brother once wrote a story for the Daily News when he was on the USC beat where he gave averages for each song per game. He got a lot of hate mail from USC fans about it.

But the kicker on the story is that at my mom's funeral there were three big floral sprays in the church:
1) one from my brothers and I
2) one from my cousins
3) one from the USC Athletics Department

2006-09-02 21:51:22
327.   scareduck
320 - my wife and her girlfriends like SciFi far better than I do, with Battlestar Galactica being the only exception.
2006-09-02 21:51:28
328.   Icaros
If Mark Hendrickson falls off of a pitchers mound but nobody is there to see it...
2006-09-02 21:52:12
329.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
I was hoping Hendrickson pitching tonight mean that Kuo would go Tuesday, but then I realized that it's probably his day for a bullpen session.


2006-09-02 21:52:42
330.   King of the Hobos
321 Alexander won't be called up though, as he's Jacksonville's closer. He may get called up after the playoffs, but it's unlikely. Pitchers likely to be called up are Carrara, Hamulack, Miller, Houlton, Miller, and Hanrahan. Outside chance for Hull and Stults, but no one below AAA has a chance (I believe Coletti was quoted that no one from AA or lower would be called up).
2006-09-02 21:52:44
331.   Gagne55
Btw, does anybody know anything about T.J. Nall. I just looked at Jacksonville's stats and he's been amazing. (Spike Lundberg's been even better but got destroyed at Vegas; go figure)
2006-09-02 21:53:17
332.   Bob Timmermann
Peavy threw 114 pitches and struck out 14 in his CG.
2006-09-02 21:53:45
333.   Icaros
Hendrickson looks a lot better entering the eighth with an eight run lead than he does starting a game 0-0.
2006-09-02 21:53:56
334.   underdog
328 Heh.

So I take it Hendrickson's not starting on Tuesday after all? Maybe that will be Kuo's night.

And no, my g/f doesn't like the Ultimate Fighter any more than I do. She likes Iron Chef, though.

SciFi original programming really does equal terrible 100% of the time, it's guaranteed!

2006-09-02 21:54:25
335.   trainwreck
I totally forgot about the DT fantasy football draft.
2006-09-02 21:54:36
336.   Gagne55
330 Hanrahan is on the 40?
2006-09-02 21:55:46
337.   Greg S
Loney 1
Laroche 0
2006-09-02 21:55:56
338.   Xeifrank
When do Dodger playoff tickets go on sale?
vr, Xei
2006-09-02 21:56:04
339.   StolenMonkey86
330 - I know there's Greg, but who's the other Miller?
2006-09-02 21:56:07
340.   natepurcell
the power of the beard!
2006-09-02 21:56:08
341.   King of the Hobos
336 No, but there are open spots on it. He's a free agent at the end of the year if he's not added to it, and he pitched well in August.
2006-09-02 21:56:15
342.   Bob Timmermann
Do I get credit for tabbing Loney to hit a homer before LaRoche? Where do I claim my prize?
2006-09-02 21:56:19
343.   Icaros
I like The Ultimate Fighter.

and James Loney.

2006-09-02 21:56:24
344.   scareduck
Well, that was fun.
2006-09-02 21:56:27
345.   Mark Joseph

I didn't; it's not like I've never been Johnny-come-lately myself. I didn't understand your comment about the Griddle; I checked there and didn't see anything related to the comment.


Like the Colorado pitching staff? Oh wait, that's just bashed...

2006-09-02 21:56:35
346.   Xeifrank
335. That's ok, the computer picked for you.
vr, Xei
2006-09-02 21:56:41
347.   Disabled List
Hey! A power-hitting first baseman!
2006-09-02 21:57:04
348.   Nagman
The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades...
2006-09-02 21:57:28
349.   Icaros

I called his beard during the post-game handshakes last night.

2006-09-02 21:57:54
350.   bhsportsguy
342 You know you have no life when you remember that Bob called Loney's shot.
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2006-09-02 21:58:03
351.   Gagne55
339 I'm pretty sure he was refering to Greg.
2006-09-02 21:58:29
352.   Travis
346 Have you dropped Domanick Davis yet?
2006-09-02 21:58:47
353.   King of the Hobos
339 Good question. Greg's just so good that I had to mention him twice. Actually, I meant to add Osoria, but typed Miller on accident.
2006-09-02 21:58:49
354.   Xeifrank
What was going on after the Dodger game last night? It looked like a bunch of thugs slipped past security and had ran on the field. I was busy doing other things so I only got a quick glimpse.
vr, Xei
2006-09-02 21:59:31
355.   Icaros
I guess the Gameday guy/girl got bored and went home.
2006-09-02 21:59:38
356.   Greg S
I guess the Rockies don't like getting their butts kicked.
2006-09-02 21:59:52
357.   DXMachina
320, 327 - The two Stargate shows and Battlestar Galactica are all hugely popular with women. There are very large fan communities made up largely of women, especially those who write fan fiction, centered around all of them.
2006-09-02 22:00:18
358.   JoeyP
So is Hendrickson out of the rotation? If so, that would be quite sweet.
2006-09-02 22:00:20
359.   Gagne55
Gagne is not on the 60-day DL. Does that mean somebody like Mark Alexander can be added to the roster and be post season eligible by Gagne simply getting transfered to the 60-day?
2006-09-02 22:00:30
360.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
The CRockies look pathetic.
2006-09-02 22:01:00
361.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
BTW, official scoring has turned terrible of late.
2006-09-02 22:01:10
362.   Mark Joseph

Check out chapter 1, section 2 in Baseball Prospectus' new book, "Baseball Between The Numbers."

Conclusion: Clutch hitting is 70% general hitting ability ("the best clutch hitters are the best hitters, period"), 28% luck and 2% clutch hitting skill.

By the way, the best clutch hitter of the last 25 years, according to their study, was Mark Grace.

I'm loving this book more than any baseball book I've read since the 2nd edition of the Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract.

2006-09-02 22:01:18
363.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 358

It might be his bullpen day, so I'm not so sure. I do hope that's the case, though.


2006-09-02 22:01:44
364.   oswald
does anyone know anything about limewire, like how long it takes to load
2006-09-02 22:01:58
365.   Xeifrank
352. Why yes I have thank you! :) As soon as waivers open up. vr, Xei
2006-09-02 22:01:58
366.   scareduck
355 - nah, probably smoking stogies in the press room.

360 - I saw Tulo when he was with Long Beach State, and he wasn't this bad. Butterflies.

2006-09-02 22:02:07
367.   Andrew Shimmin
345- I was teasing Bob. There've been links posted in the comments here to the same things Bob had already linked. So, I accused him of doing the same thing to you out of spite.
2006-09-02 22:02:25
368.   Greg S
362 Where does it rank Eddie Murray?
2006-09-02 22:03:38
369.   bhsportsguy
I spent a very hot and humid day in Pasadena watching a 23 year old red-shirt sophomoer get his first start today at QB in the Rose Bowl and he had a pretty nice day.

Its hard to believe that Ben Olson is older than Chad, Broxton, Kemp and Loney, Russ is just a few weeks older.

2006-09-02 22:03:41
370.   JoeyP
Loney's like...."Who's Marlon Anderson and why did they sign him again?"
2006-09-02 22:03:49
371.   Gagne55
So, after the 6-0 homestand, will the Dodgers be up 4 games or 5?
2006-09-02 22:03:56
372.   Xeifrank
364. I have it. How long does it take WHAT to load? vr, Xei
2006-09-02 22:04:55
373.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Man, we're starting to get into mercy rule territory now.


2006-09-02 22:05:28
374.   twerp
330 Are there 2 pitchers named Miller likely to be called up? Or you meant Miller plus someone else? Or ??
2006-09-02 22:05:52
375.   oswald

when i try to load it, it gets stuck saying "please wait installing java" i thought i already had java. but then it stays on that for a really long time. i'm getting pretty frustrated

2006-09-02 22:06:02
376.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres are starting Wells tomorrow. His savvy should keep the Padres in the game.
2006-09-02 22:06:24
377.   scareduck
Well, here's your chance, Kuo-dependents.
2006-09-02 22:07:29
378.   twerp
374 Never mind. What I get for not keeping current on comments....
2006-09-02 22:07:40
379.   King of the Hobos
374 I meant someone else, specifically Osoria.
2006-09-02 22:08:16
380.   Icaros
Kuo-operation is the key to teamwork.
2006-09-02 22:08:51
381.   underdog
I like how Hall catches Hendrickson every time - even if in relief.
2006-09-02 22:08:59
382.   natepurcell
kuo is nasty awesome. that slider was filthy.
2006-09-02 22:09:26
383.   Greg S
376 Did you say savvy or gravy?

Oh wait, I can read it. You said savvy.

2006-09-02 22:09:27
384.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Nice night for the pen.
2006-09-02 22:09:39
385.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
What's the velocity on his fb look like?


2006-09-02 22:09:52
386.   JoeyP
A battle of streaks will meet Monday:
Dodgers having won 8 in a row.
Brewers having lost 10 in a row.

That is, if each follow suit tomorrow.

2006-09-02 22:10:03
387.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
2006-09-02 22:10:21
388.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
The gameday stringer got bored again, it seems.

Can't blame him/her.


2006-09-02 22:10:25
389.   DXMachina
Nice inning for Kuo.
2006-09-02 22:11:05
390.   Greg S
385 Don't ask the Rockies hitters. They didn't see 'em.
2006-09-02 22:12:15
391.   natepurcell


2006-09-02 22:12:21
392.   underdog
Sheesh, my server is slow - I typed that about 4 mins ago. Oh well - goes with how slow GameDay is - I get more current updates on the game from reading the comments here!

Okay, my g/f finally can't take this SciFi channel movie and we can watch either Confederate States of America or another DVD and the Dodger game appears about over so I'm gonna call it a night. Thanks for getting me through the tough times, guys!

2006-09-02 22:12:51
393.   Greg S
Last pitch was 92 mph
2006-09-02 22:13:47
394.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 391 393

Thanks... I really do wish they'd start him over Hendrickson Tuesday.


2006-09-02 22:14:44
395.   Xeifrank
Nice to see Guo in for the save opportunity.
vr, Xei
2006-09-02 22:16:09
396.   Daniel Zappala
I wonder ... when was the last time the Dodgers used three lefty relievers in a row?
2006-09-02 22:16:26
397.   Xeifrank
375. That's not normal. It loads in about 15 seconds for me at most. Not sure what you can try, but what you are getting is not normal. vr, Xei
2006-09-02 22:19:15
398.   natepurcell
if anyone was watching or listening, vin said starting spring training next year, kuo will be looked at as a starter.

or something like that.

2006-09-02 22:19:34
399.   thinkingblue
I really do wish they'd start him over Hendrickson Tuesday.

Preaching to the choir.

Hard to complain about tonights game, except:

Matt Kemp failing to hit any ball hard, or even out of the infield-what's up with that?

And Brad Penny, what's up with him? Did he even K anyone tonight? Why has he stunk since the break?

2006-09-02 22:19:52
400.   Xeifrank
wow, Guo looked Gwosome. vr, Xei
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2006-09-02 22:20:41
401.   CanuckDodger
Kuo strikes out the side on 11 pitches. Did that look as impressive as it sounds?
2006-09-02 22:21:36
402.   Xeifrank
Yes, Guo looked impressive on the tube.
vr, Xei
2006-09-02 22:21:49
403.   natepurcell

yes it did.

2006-09-02 22:23:13
404.   Vishal
dodgers romp, loney homers, and kuofax is back with a vengeance! other than penny's implosion, nice game.

almost makes me forget about cal football. almost.

2006-09-02 22:24:30
405.   Xeifrank
Cal football? You mean NoCal football don't you. :) vr, Xei
2006-09-02 22:26:08
406.   Samuel

That was a disappointment. And when Ayoob was up to his old tricks again I just decided to take a nap.

2006-09-02 22:26:26
407.   CanuckDodger
398 -- Kuo "looked at" as a starter in spring training? There is a problem with that. We'll probably be going into spring training with five set starters. Penny, Lowe, and Billingsley are locks. We'll probably resign Maddux. We'll probably sign Zito or Schmidt as our big free agent fish. The Dodgers have no choice but to make decisions about Kuo's future BEFORE the off-season shopping starts, so we spend money correctly.
2006-09-02 22:28:03
408.   Bluebleeder87
Kuo hides the ball very well
2006-09-02 22:28:38
409.   Vishal
[407] sign zito, don't re-sign maddux. put kuo in the rotation. problem solved.
2006-09-02 22:29:33
410.   Bluebleeder87
yes it did.

it has a name Kou

2006-09-02 22:30:24
411.   ImChuck
On another note, big Ben rocked for UCLA.
2006-09-02 22:30:48
412.   Mark Joseph

Two answers:

First, they had a list of the 25 best (and 25 worst) clutch hitters since 1972; Murray was not on the list.

Second, they had another list, compiled before the numbers were run, of 25 players generally reputed to be good clutch hitters. Murray was on this list, and actually finished 6th of the 25. Since his numbers were there, I can compare them to the top 25 list, and I see that he doesn't miss that list by much. The 25 best range from Mark Grace (13.68 extra wins due to clutch hitting) in first place, down to Von Hayes (7.85 extra wins) in 25th place. Murray's total was 7.12 wins, so I'm sure he'd be in the top 50 somewhere.

If you prefer a rate stat to an aggregate, the top 25 go from Matt Lawton (1.42 extra wins per 650 PA) in first place down to Carlos Delgado (0.67 extra wins) in 25th place. Murray, because his extra wins were spread out over so many career PA, scored 0.36 extra wins per 650 PA.

By the way, none of you are surprised to know that the worst player, both in aggregate and per 650 PA, is Royce Clayton.

2006-09-02 22:31:18
413.   natepurcell

canuck was referring to the situation. "It" was in reference to the situation not to degrade kuo.

2006-09-02 22:31:35
414.   Xeifrank
407. No problem if we sign Maddux and a "big fish", probably less than 50% chance that BOTH happen then Guo will give us some depth if his arm can cut it as a starter. I would think if we signed Maddux that we wouldn't go after a "big fish". I am not too crazy about what a "big fish" would cost us, given that the Yankees and possibly the Red Sox and a few other big markets would get in on the bidding. jmho. vr, Xei
2006-09-02 22:34:00
415.   Icaros
I'd re-sign Maddux (one year only, maybe an option for two) and go after Zito anyway. When was the last time the Dodgers went a whole year using only five starting pitchers? Someone will get hurt, or just suck, or something.

Colletti likes to overfill at each position for just that reason. That's why we have 19 shortstops on the club.

2006-09-02 22:34:21
416.   Bluebleeder87

i know you're style of jokes nate so zzzzzz

2006-09-02 22:35:43
417.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
it has a name...

His name was Robert Paulson! His name was Robert Paulson! His name was Robert Paulson!

2006-09-02 22:37:33
418.   natepurcell

okay you got me. i will now go in the shower in my underwear and wash my bald head while crying over my life's failings.

2006-09-02 22:37:40
419.   Vishal
[416] what?
2006-09-02 22:38:19
420.   natepurcell
Loney is slugging .493 in 73 mlb ABs!!!
2006-09-02 22:42:29
421.   CanuckDodger
414 -- If we don't sign a "big fish" as a starting pitcher, the money is going to be spent somewhere, probably on resigning Nomar, which would be moronic because first base should have Loney's name on it. The outfield should be Drew, Ethier, and Kemp (notwithstanding Kemp's poor showing tonight). This is where being a big market team with an owner like McCourt sucks. McCourt will not take the PR hit of substantially REDUCING payroll next year. Money will be spent for the sake of spending money, and young, cheap players will get the shaft, possibly being traded in one of Colletti's stupid busywork trades.
2006-09-02 22:47:19
422.   JoeyP
Maddux will probably re-sign with the Cubs and retire after next season.
He may even retire after this year.
2006-09-02 22:49:53
423.   Xeifrank
421. You are correct, in the world of MLB GMs /Owners common sense very rarely prevails. But when you play in the NL West all you have to be is the least dumb. The Nomar/Loney situation will be interesting. If the Dodgers win the pennant and manage to advance in the playoffs Dodger GM Bill Plaschke will make sure that Nomar is resigned by the team.
vr, Xei
2006-09-02 22:50:03
424.   natepurcell

why will he re-sign with the cubs?

2006-09-02 22:50:14
425.   Bluebleeder87
418 i know the type of person you are (good person) life/you create you're own problems for a reason..... i know you're smart enought to knowe what i'm talking about.
2006-09-02 22:51:00
426.   Xeifrank
424. For the same reason that Barry Bonds will re-sign with the Pirates next year. :)
vr, Xei
2006-09-02 22:51:32
427.   JoeyP
Kuo's got lots of upside given his penchant for the K/9.
It might be a pretty savvy mood to also trade DLowe at the top of his value (this year) for something good in the off-season. The Dodgers have gotten two very good seasons out of Derek Lowe, and if they were to trade him in the off-season it'd be a win-win all around. The drop off for Lowe has to be sometime. Get out from the 18/2 thats still owed to him, and get some value back as well.
2006-09-02 22:53:07
428.   StolenMonkey86
On the one hand, the Dodgers have a lot of talent readily available in the minors, and are poised to gain draft picks from Nomar, Lugo, maybe Gagne, and could get Maddux at no cost in draft picks.

On the other hand, would Ned Colletti go for a relatively quiet offseason where his only major move would be to re-sign Greg Maddux, and possibly Nomar or Gagne, or even both, while letting the big name free agents pass by?

Or will he say he put together a good team, and now all that chemistry will pay off?

I don't know what will happen.

2006-09-02 22:54:33
429.   Bluebleeder87

after a year, i finally understand Nate's weird humor.

2006-09-02 22:55:07
430.   natepurcell

Im not trading lowe unless i get ALOT back. I mean, if the yanks are calling for lowe, i ask for phill hughes and tyler clippard.


Im sorry, i have no clue what you are talking about. I sincerely did not try to degrade kuo and my reponse in 418 was just in good fun pertaining to a popular tv character that most people in this community enjoy.

2006-09-02 22:55:39
431.   Xeifrank
How much $$$ over how many years would you predict the following players will get next year? And do any Dodger players have a no trade clause?
vr, Xei
2006-09-02 22:56:04
432.   regfairfield
427 But we need pitching badly. As much as some people want to, we're not getting Schmidt and Zito, too many teams want those two guys. After them, the best pitchers avialable are probably Ted Lilly and Doug Davis. Why not go Penny, Lowe, Bills, Kuo, free agent?

If we do have a compulsive need to spend money, trade Ethier for a stud starter if possible, and drop a ton of money on Carlos Lee.

2006-09-02 22:56:19
433.   StolenMonkey86
427 - That's an idea, then you could pick up Zito and it's no biggie.

But especially after he switched agents to Scott Boras, I see Zito as a Yankee next year.

2006-09-02 22:56:27
434.   Vishal
i wouldn't mind re-signing nomar to play 3rd primarily, and then juggle betemit around as a super-utility so he can spell kent, furcal, and nomar. nomar can also play 1st occasionally, and loney can play the outfield a little. i doubt that will happen, though.
2006-09-02 22:59:10
435.   JoeyP

I just dont have much confidence in Derek Lowe. I'm very surprised he's pitched as well as he has this season, and feel trading him now while his value is highest, would be better than watching him turn into Jeff Weaver the next two seasons.

2006-09-02 22:59:24
436.   StolenMonkey86
431 - I see Gagne taking a Nomar deal if he stays with LA - $6 million + $4 million in incentives.

Anywhere else, minimum $9 million next year.

2006-09-02 22:59:54
437.   Xeifrank
434. Yeah, Nomar heading the opposite direction on the position spectrum would help things out tremendously, but I always figured that was part of the agreement he and Mia hammered out with Colletti (that he would be used strictly at 1B). vr, Xei
2006-09-02 23:00:26
438.   regfairfield
435 You've got to replace the guy though. If you don't, then it's Tomko or the revenge of Hendrickson.
2006-09-02 23:00:32
439.   natepurcell
Gagne- 1 yr 3mil with incentives up to 10 mil
Nomar- 3yrs 27 mil
Zito- 5yrs 70mil
Schmidt-3yrs 32 mil
Maddux-1 yr 9 mil
2006-09-02 23:04:33
440.   Xeifrank
439. Thanks Nate. You think Schmidt only gets 3yrs at 32mil? I know he has been a little injury prone in the recent past but with the supply of available talented pitchers bare and the demand high... Probably the contracts I would go after in order would be Maddux, Gagne, Schmidt, Nomar then Zito (as you listed them). vr, Xei
2006-09-02 23:05:16
441.   Icaros

Is Zito worth that much more than Schmidt?

2006-09-02 23:06:00
442.   natepurcell
i probably was to low on schmidts numbers.
2006-09-02 23:06:18
443.   StolenMonkey86
ok, down the line

Gagne - see 436
Nomar - 3 years, 32 mil
Zito - 5 years, 90 mil, Yankees
Schmidt - 3 years, 33 mil
Maddux - 1 yr, 8 mil, option for 2008 at 8 mil or 500k buyout

2006-09-02 23:06:44
444.   Icaros

You just don't like him because he's a Giant.

2006-09-02 23:07:09
445.   JoeyP
Gagne- 1yr
Nomar- offer arbitration
Zito- 4yrs
Schmidt- 2yrs
Maddux- let him go

Penny, Zito, Schmidt, Billingsley, Kuo and then deal Derek Lowe back to the Yankees/Red Sox. If there's ever been a season to sell high on Derek Lowe, its now. He's not this good, at least I dont think he is.

2006-09-02 23:08:37
446.   JoeyP

9mils for Greg Maddux?

2006-09-02 23:09:17
447.   Icaros
If Barry Zito is getting anything close to what Nate and Monkey are predicting, I would bow out right now.

I don't think he's good enough to make him Kevin Brown (who wasn't good enough himself).

2006-09-02 23:09:48
448.   natepurcell

the question was what do you think these players will get. not what you think the dodgers SHOULD offer these players.

2006-09-02 23:10:43
449.   natepurcell

i wouldnt pay him 9 mil but i think thats what he will get.

2006-09-02 23:12:14
450.   JoeyP
Im not trading lowe unless i get ALOT back. I mean, if the yanks are calling for lowe, i ask for phill hughes and tyler clippard

I think you could reasonably expect to get that package back from the Yankees if Lowe keeps his season up. If the Yankees also happen to NOT win the world series, and lets say Lowe pitches really well in the post season (if the Dodgers make it), I could definitely see them trading this package.

I just dont see Zito going to the east coast. He's been in California his whole life.

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2006-09-02 23:14:15
451.   StolenMonkey86
441 - Zito is left-handed, 28, and won a cy young.
2006-09-02 23:15:47
452.   StolenMonkey86
Are the Giants definitely not going to re-sign Schmidt?
2006-09-02 23:16:47
453.   StolenMonkey86
I just dont see Zito going to the east coast. He's been in California his whole life.

Two words: Scott Boras.

2006-09-02 23:17:07
454.   Icaros

Yes, I know. But 5 years/$90?

He's not even close to being worth that.

And I would rather my team face Zito in a big game over Schmidt any day of the week.

2006-09-02 23:19:57
455.   JoeyP
I think Zito would dominate the NL, at least his first couple seasons bc the league isnt familiar with his curve. I think he'll get at least what AJ Burnett got last year. Not 5/90, but I see 5/65 perhaps.
2006-09-02 23:26:11
456.   CanuckDodger
The Yankees aren't trading Phil Hughes for anybody realistically obtainable, and certainly not for Lowe.

I don't relish the idea of overpaying Zito for the length of contract Boras would demand. Since Schmidt would probably sign for three years, I would pursue Schmidt. If Schmidt signs elsewhere, then go with Kuo. I think we are going to resign Maddux unless he completely tanks in September.

2006-09-02 23:27:57
457.   King of the Hobos
I'd rather we avoid Zito and probably Schmidt. I'd much prefer signing someone like Maddux and then go with a low risk, high reward type signed to an incentive-laden deal (Randy Wolf, Mark Mulder, Wade Miller). After Kuo, we have numerous options still in the minors, plus the likes of Tomko in the bullpen.
2006-09-02 23:33:36
458.   Vishal
[457] i'd rather get a quality pitcher. wolf, mulder, and miller haven't been good for a while.
2006-09-02 23:34:11
459.   King of the Hobos
457 Also, I'd like Colletti to pursue Freddy Garcia if he can get him relatively cheap.
2006-09-02 23:38:11
460.   King of the Hobos
458 But what's a quality pitcher? Zito and Schmidt are both good pitchers, but a lot of teams want them. Would Pettitte or Mussina qualify as quality pitchers? I wouldn't mind either if they can be signed to short term deals. After those 4 (and Matzusaka), there's nothing really above average. Mulder was a pretty good pitcher in 2005, I wouldn't surprised if he could pitch like that when healthy.
2006-09-02 23:39:19
461.   Greg Brock
So, yeah, it's the first UCLA football game of the season, Ben Olson truly looked like Southpaw Jesus, and I'm a wee bit of the sauced. The Dodgers won...nice. The weather in Mexico is bringing solid waves to Southern California...nice. The Padres won...bummer.

That's about all I have to contribute. If I can hold an even keel (doubtful), I'll try to hang in here.

2006-09-03 00:14:35
462.   Greg Brock
Lord Palmerston is the greatest British PM.
2006-09-03 00:42:47
463.   Greg Brock
The Human Torch was denied a bank loan.
2006-09-03 00:57:55
464.   ScoobyGoo
you clearly forgot about pitt the elder
2006-09-03 01:26:24
465.   Icaros

I like that plan, and I think it's the most likely.

I'm not sure if Colletti dealt with Boras much when he worked under Sabean. I'd be really surprised to see him try to win the bidding war Zito is going to be.

The key to the Schmidt possibility could be the former teammateship Colletti and Schmidt share. Ned has already brought in quite a few former players.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Dodgers offer Schmidt $35 to even 40 million for three years, a la the Furcal deal.

2006-09-03 01:47:23
466.   xaphor
[463] That's nothing, Aquaman is on the No-Fly list.

Good times to be had at the stadium: Nomar getting well, Loney pimpin the power stroke, and Kuo knocking 'em down. Before today, when asked how the Dodgers were doing in passing conversation it was with temerity that I responded in the affirmative, afraid my recognition of their good fortune would lead to a sudden and unpalatable decline. Today they looked good, and when things went South, they looked even better. So it is with reckless abandonment that I am now enjoying their success.

Where can I get me one of those Yellow jerseys?

2006-09-03 02:03:37
467.   xaphor
Am I the only one stunned to discover Penny is the first NL pitcher to 15 wins? A quick scan of the day's posts finds no mention of this.

ML Win leaders:
16 Garland
16 Halladay
16 Santana
16 Wang
15 Johnson
15 Penny
15 Rogers
15 Zito

2006-09-03 06:28:34
468.   Terry A
Schmidt seems the more likely candidate for Colletti's pursuit. I wouldn't be surprised to see Colletti offer a Furcal-type contract. No, not speedy and erratic; I mean more money per year, but for fewer years.
2006-09-03 06:30:56
469.   Sam DC
RIP Stanford Alum Bob Matthias.
2006-09-03 07:30:53
470.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
According to Steve Henson, Hendrickson will start as scheduled on Tuesday... =(


2006-09-03 07:36:00
471.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Tim Brown propose Kemp and Broxton for A-Rod and a little cash to take up the salary.

Who around here would make that deal?


2006-09-03 07:37:21
472.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh

to take up the=for


2006-09-03 07:47:14
473.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
BTW, the assumption here seems to be that McCourt won't let payroll drop a bit for PR reasons. Although I think his financial problems were overblown, he's still pretty heavily leveraged, so I don't think we should assume he'll be recklessly throwing money around. If we do go deep into the postseason, he may feel he can take the PR hit of a lower payroll.


2006-09-03 08:37:06
474.   Vishal
[471] i'd probably do that deal, but when's the last time we've seen the yankees trade for prospects?
2006-09-03 08:42:48
475.   Eric Enders
474 Probably Bubba Crosby and Scott Proctor.
2006-09-03 08:45:48
476.   Eric Enders
Teams with the best chance of making the playoffs, according to BP's playoff odds report:

1. Mets 100.0%
2. Yankees 99.7%
3. Tigers 98.4%
4. Dodgers 93.3%
5. A's 92.8%
6. Cardinals 89.3%

2006-09-03 09:21:54
477.   Bluebleeder87
odds look good for us 476
2006-09-03 09:28:14
478.   Bluebleeder87

that's why i'm glad i'm not a GM, that one there is a tuffy, i'm thinking Ned wouldn't touch A-Rod's rediculous contract.JMO

2006-09-03 09:43:16
479.   Marty
Where can I sign to do that deal? I'd miss Broxton more than Kemp. I would think the Yankees would ask for more than that though.
2006-09-03 09:56:12
480.   the OZ
The whole A-Rod discussion is almost certainly baseless nonsense from a writer, but if there were ever a time to "buy low" on A-Rod, it's now.
2006-09-03 10:00:53
481.   rockmrete
I would think they would want LaRoache. I would not trade either Broxton, or Kemp for an aging ( albeit great player ) with a huge contract, and Boras as his agent. Nomar at third next year looks good to me.
2006-09-03 10:30:55
482.   Robert Daeley
478 While I'm not advocating for attempting to acquire A-Rod, his salary wouldn't be as bad as people think since the Rangers still pay a goodly portion of it.


2006-09-03 10:35:31
483.   s choir
Today's lineup:

Furcal, SS
Lofton, CF
Lugo, 2B
Drew, RF
Ethier, LF
Betemit, 3B
Loney, 1B
Hall, C
Sele, P

2006-09-03 10:49:34
484.   Bluebleeder87

Lugo has magical powers over Grady no doubt.

2006-09-03 10:51:59
485.   Bluebleeder87
i was grabing a cold drink from my frige & looked out side, wow it's a beautiful day.
2006-09-03 10:53:59
486.   StolenMonkey86
481 - I'd trade Laroche too, and Tomko over Broxton, but consider a couple points on A-Rod

1) He's under contract until 2010, so Boras won't matter that much anyway.

2) The Texas Rangers are still paying a ton of his salary.

2006-09-03 10:58:46
487.   Bluebleeder87

you're point 2 makes me think the Rangers didn't want A-Rod anymore. He's a great player but i'm not a huge A-Rod fan.

2006-09-03 11:01:13
488.   natepurcell
laroche and drew and give me arod. even in arods down year he would still be the biggest producer on this team.
2006-09-03 11:01:36
489.   regfairfield
487 No team except the Yankees can afford to pay a guy 25 million a year.
2006-09-03 11:04:39
490.   Bob Timmermann
Home run #50 for Ryan Howard.
2006-09-03 11:04:40
491.   Sam DC
Today, Nationals fans are asking themselves why marginal pitching prospect Darrell Rasner wasn't worth protecting from waivers last winter but is good enough to start for the Yankees this summer.
2006-09-03 11:07:52
492.   Sam DC
Meanwhile, 26 pulled a Rosie Ruiz and snuck from the visitor's dugout across the finish line.

So far he's been declared the winner, but one would expect further fully hammed proceedings.

2006-09-03 11:09:16
493.   Bob Timmermann
You have the audacity to doubt the brilliance of Jim Bowden? Next thing you know, you'll be telling me that Frank Robinson isn't a good manager either.

You have to demonstrate greater respect for your hometown team. The Lerners are putting out a quality product for you. The DC City government has sold their soul to MLB. Look at what they've given and what do you give back? Frankly, I'm appalled!

2006-09-03 11:11:30
494.   natepurcell
who knew that someone (betemit) who had a career minor league slg% of 425 and career minor league ISOd of .147 could develop 30hr plus power.
2006-09-03 11:15:05
495.   Icaros

Midas knew.

"How in the world did the Dodgers get Wilson Betemit for Danny Baez?"
-Vin Scully

2006-09-03 11:15:13
496.   Bob Timmermann
So much for any late waiver wire deals.

Casey Fossum is being shut down for the rest of the season by Tampa Bay.

2006-09-03 11:16:04
497.   Bob Timmermann
Willie Aybar is in the #3 slot for the Braves today!
2006-09-03 11:17:06
498.   Sam DC
Sorry Bob. I meant to say, Jim Bowden is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever met in my life.
2006-09-03 11:17:48
499.   natepurcell
Giles has to have heart surgery or something so Willy might get an extended look at 2b.
2006-09-03 11:20:43
500.   Icaros
Aybar is already back from a broken hand?

If he was still in a Dodgers uniform, he wouldn't have come back until August 2008.

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2006-09-03 11:21:27
501.   Bob Timmermann
It's more of a heart procedure than heart surgery for Giles. It's a valve issue. It's not like he's getting a quadruple bypass.
2006-09-03 11:22:29
502.   Sam DC
Wow, Nook Logan just made a catch the likes of which have not been seen in RFK's centerfield this year.

Then he lead off the next inning with a weak pop up the likes of which have been rather common at RFK this year.

2006-09-03 11:22:44
503.   Bob Timmermann

Thomas Boswell would be proud of you.

2006-09-03 11:25:28
504.   Bluebleeder87

wow that guy is sick

2006-09-03 11:25:47
505.   Icaros
Apparently, Bob has a "no graphic descriptions of internal scrotum bleeding" policy over at The Grid.

The Grid=The Griddle when it becomes a disco after 10 p.m.

2006-09-03 11:26:26
506.   Sam DC
Actually, the Boz appears to have turned somewhat:

"This state of affairs is pathetic. And, for a city that endured 33 seasons without baseball, close to infuriating, too. Grand plans for the future from the team's owners and executives are all very nice. But words are inexpensive -- just like the Nats' payroll. When a city is building a $611 million ballpark, then giving it to the team for free, a better product on the field is an absolutely minimal requirement. Without pitching, a baseball team is a joke, not an entertainment.

In the past 50 years, few clubs in baseball have had such an inept starting rotation and middle relief corps. On the rare occasions that the Nats reach the eighth inning with a lead, 6-foot-11 Jon Rauch (3.22) and Chad Cordero (3.24) can usually finish the job adequately. But the current custodians of the first seven innings are a standing reproach to general manager Jim ("Pitching, Pitching, Pitching") Bowden and his two seasons of hollow words."

2006-09-03 11:26:40
507.   natepurcell
reading various braves message boards they still think the betemit trade was a wash for them and if they get 2 draft picks for baez, it was a steal for them.
2006-09-03 11:28:01
508.   Sam DC
Agassi a game away from done.
2006-09-03 11:30:29
509.   Greg Brock
Bye Bye Andre.
2006-09-03 11:33:33
510.   Sam DC
Wow -- the crowd simply will not stop cheering or slow down.
2006-09-03 11:34:16
511.   Icaros
Betemit hit 9 HRs in 199 ABs for Atlanta this season.

He's hit 8 in only 105 ABs for LA.

2006-09-03 11:39:55
512.   natepurcell

so what do you make of those numbers?

2006-09-03 11:42:23
513.   Bluebleeder87
thanks for the memories Agassi
2006-09-03 11:45:06
514.   Icaros

Not sure. Small sample size in LA, of course, but it's possible that this current spike is the product of getting to finally play every day.

2006-09-03 11:46:13
515.   Bluebleeder87

i'll go with you're thought Icaros

2006-09-03 11:47:18
516.   natepurcell

I was going to credit Lofton and his Kelories but i guess your explanation works too.

2006-09-03 11:47:38
517.   Sam DC
Webb is dealing in DC. Hasn't been a ball to the outfield since the first inning.
2006-09-03 11:51:18
518.   Bluebleeder87

i don't have any mlb packages so you're updates are as good as gold Sam, thanks.

2006-09-03 11:59:39
519.   Icaros

I think Lofton's Kelories have had more of an impact in the aggregate, helping to birth an organization-wide cloud of winning mist which has engulfed the city of Los Angeles.

I don't see the Kelories helping individual player stats as much. As we know, J.D. Drew was Kenny's main project this season and Drew's having anything but a career year.

2006-09-03 12:07:18
520.   Bob Timmermann
Three homers for Ryan Howard today and it's just the sixth inning.
2006-09-03 12:08:47
521.   willhite
Haven't been around much lately so I apologize if others have already expressed this opinion, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Ned try very hard to unload Drew during the winter. When Ned first got here he pretty much intimated that he had issues with Drew's very laid back personality and I don't think he's liking it any more today than at the beginning of the season.

Someone earlier mentioned Drew and a good prospect (maybe Laroche) for A-Rod. I, for one, wouldn't be at all surprised to see that go down. Yanks could start next year with Matsui, Drew and Abreu in the outfield. We could have an infield of A-Rod, Furcal, Kent and Nomar/Loney.

2006-09-03 12:10:09
522.   Bob Timmermann

Johnny Damon will not like your proposed outfield for the Yankees since he is not in it.

2006-09-03 12:12:00
523.   Icaros
What happened to Gary Sheffield? Wasn't he also a Yankee outfielder at some point?
2006-09-03 12:15:53
524.   willhite
522 -
I need to start paying more attention to the AL.

523 -
I doubt that Sheffield will be a Yankee next year

2006-09-03 12:18:58
525.   Izzy
I believe the Yanks are only paying Arod $16 mil a year. The rest being picked up by Texas.

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