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2007-09-18 06:35
by Jon Weisman

September 18, 2006:

Your Evening Sedative

Tonight's Game

Not to be fatalistic, but if the Dodgers led the National League West by 1 1/2 games after tonight's contest, you probably wouldn't feel completely secure about their chances of holding that lead. So no reason to despair if Jake Peavy and the Padres push the Dodgers down by that much.

No doubt, a win tonight would be a huge boost for Los Angeles going forward. And I wouldn't dismiss the Dodgers' chances of defeating Peavy tonight. The NL West has been particularly persistent this year in humbling those who think they've got things licked.

In any event, contrary to popular belief, nothing gets decided tonight except one game.

Wild one tonight in Philadelphia, home of the Dodgers main wild-card rival. The Phillies are trying to make magic after falling behind to the Cubs, 8-0. A grand slam by ex-Dodger Jose Hernandez boosted Philadelphia to six runs in the bottom of the fourth, but Ryan Howard struck out with the tying runs on.

* * *

2006-09-18 22:34:06
561. Benaiah
Well, our strategy of using their offense to induce inferior relievers has worked at least.

2006-09-18 22:34:24
563. ninjavshippo
kent is one of the few blue men with a pulse tonight...

2006-09-18 22:34:39
565. Steve in Rochester
Jeff Kent, are you kidding?

2006-09-18 22:34:56
566. MSarg29
I have to be at work in less than 8 hrs and I'm just sick to my stomach. I wont even get any sleep.

2006-09-18 22:35:00
567. JoeyP
Adkins just pulled a Lance Carter.
Nice set up job.

2006-09-18 22:35:10
568. Bob Timmermann
Condition yellow on the cycle alert.

2006-09-18 22:35:49
570. ninjavshippo
note to self: curb your enthusiasm.

2006-09-18 22:35:57
571. Xeifrank
Is Kent teasing us?
vr, Xei

2006-09-18 22:36:03
572. underdog
Well, this makes the 3 spot given up in the 9th even more painful.

Wait, I was supposed to stop watching this game. What's wrong with me?

2006-09-18 22:36:18
574. Steve in Rochester
what the????

2006-09-18 22:36:38
575. JoeyP

This is even more excruciating.

2006-09-18 22:37:10
576. underdog
LOL. I'm sorry, this is hilarious. Even on GameDay it's hilarious.

2006-09-18 22:37:14
577. Xeifrank
A little late for back to back solo jobs.

vr, Xei
2006-09-18 22:37:23

578. Vaudeville Villain
J.D. Drew and Jeff Kent stop getting my hopes up!

They're destined to come agonizingly close and then be unable to come through.

Also, Lugo gets to bat. Blah.

2006-09-18 22:37:34
579. ninjavshippo
maybe hoffman trips and tweaks an ankle on the run from the bullpen to the mound?

2006-09-18 22:37:34
580. StolenMonkey86
I like this hit the ball out of the park idea. We should do it more often

2006-09-18 22:37:37
581. Benaiah
Hmmm... very interesting. If Saito... no I don't even want to say it.

2006-09-18 22:37:40
582. Gagne55
I can't believe Little used Broxton this game. His arm is hanging on by a thread at this point. Nice way to blow it, Little.

2006-09-18 22:37:59
583. underdog
578 Against Hoffman no less. Whee! Back to NBC with me.
2006-09-18 22:38:09

584. Bob Timmermann
19 baserunners for the Dodgers tonight. 21 for the Padres. That's made this game into a Yankees-Red Sox like affair.

2006-09-18 22:38:10
585. joekings
This is just making it worse.

2006-09-18 22:38:26
586. ninjavshippo
581 - i blame grits for using saito in a non-save situation! ;)

2006-09-18 22:38:26
587. micktissue
ugh ... I mean yea!

2006-09-18 22:38:26
588. RELX
As frustrating as those last two homers were, if Saito hadn't given up any runs, Adkins would not have been in the game.

2006-09-18 22:38:38
590. Xeifrank
I don't think Little had anything to do with blowing this game and I'm usually the 3rd person to point out such a thing.
vr, Xei

2006-09-18 22:39:10
592. ninjavshippo
WHOA! okay, now i can't help myself.. i'm PUMPED!

2006-09-18 22:39:33
594. Vaudeville Villain
Martin hits it out!!!

Oh for the love of your preferred celestial power!

2006-09-18 22:40:11
596. micktissue
oh my ...

2006-09-18 22:40:16
597. StolenMonkey86
Go Russ!

2006-09-18 22:40:30
598. Vaudeville Villain

Marlon Anderson!!!!
2006-09-18 22:40:32
599. capdodger

This is what happens when I turn Mosaic off...

2006-09-18 22:40:33
600. Benaiah
Restrain you yourself...

2006-09-18 22:40:33
601. underdog

What the heck. I think I'm on drugs -- or the Dodgers are.

2006-09-18 22:40:40
602. Bob Timmermann






2006-09-18 22:40:43
603. MSarg29
oh my god

2006-09-18 22:40:43
604. Xeifrank
Gameday seems to be broke. It keeps on saying every Dodger hitter is hitting a home run. Major software bug or something.
vr, Xei

2006-09-18 22:40:43
605. joekings

2006-09-18 22:40:43
606. Andrew Shimmin
Learn your lesson!

2006-09-18 22:40:58
607. Steve in Rochester
this can't be happening.

2006-09-18 22:41:04
608. gibsonhobbs88
521 - Murphy's Law rules when the Dodgers play the Padres this year. No matter what we do, the dice keep coming up craps. I wonder if there is a little voodoo lady living in SD with pins in Dodger dolls somewhere. She only does it when the Padres play the Dodgers to not arouse suspicion.

2006-09-18 22:41:05
609. capdodger

2006-09-18 22:41:18
610. Benaiah

2006-09-18 22:41:29
611. underdog

Tell me this isn't a dream.

2006-09-18 22:41:29
612. JoeyP
I dont believe what I'm seeing.

2006-09-18 22:41:32
614. micktissue
And my wife is asking me to come to bed now! She just doesn't understand ...

2006-09-18 22:41:47
615. skybluestoday
Pinch me, I'm dreaming.

2006-09-18 22:41:54
616. Bob Timmermann
I would bet sizeable amount of money that in the history of baseball, no team has ever rallied from a 4-run deficit with 4 consecutive home runs.


2006-09-18 22:41:55
617. Johnny Nucleo
I will never forget this. Never.

2006-09-18 22:41:57
618. MSarg29
Gameday is screwing w/ us? Is this really happening?

2006-09-18 22:42:06
619. Suffering Bruin

I can't believe I was watching the Daily Show and missed the first three homeruns.

2006-09-18 22:42:12
620. capdodger
I think I'm about to combust.

Or get arrested because, to the neighbors it sounds like something horrible is going on here.

2006-09-18 22:42:13
621. Greg Brock
What the hell did I miss.

Whatever it is, I'm going to keep missing it.

2006-09-18 22:42:38
623. Xeifrank
I am going to start watching on the tv now, so I can jinx this. vr, Xei

2006-09-18 22:42:39
624. Benaiah
Wow. This blows the Finley home run straight out the window.
2006-09-18 22:42:58

625. trainwreck
Doing my best not to swear.
2006-09-18 22:43:18

626. Jon Weisman
I've seen multiple no-hitters, but that may be the most incredible thing I've ever witnessed at a baseball game.
2006-09-18 22:43:21

627. RELX
FRUSTRATION OVER! Bring on Hamulack, this game is blessed/cursed, i don't know which.

2006-09-18 22:43:51
628. micktissue
2006-09-18 22:44:08

629. Bob Timmermann
That was just the fourth time a team had ever hit four straight home runs.

The last time was by Minnesota at KC on May 2, 1964 in the 11th inning.

2006-09-18 22:44:25
630. Vaudeville Villain

4 consecutive home runs to tie it up.

Jeff Kent, J.D. Drew, Russell Martin, Marlon Anderson.

2006-09-18 22:44:31
631. Greg Brock
We're doing this because I'm not watching.

I swear to G-d.

2006-09-18 22:44:45
632. ninjavshippo
jeez... if we find a way to lose this game, i will be more crushed than ever... but if we win.... (!)

2006-09-18 22:45:17
633. Johnny Nucleo
Um, anyone watching on TV see something come down that looked like the hand of God?

2006-09-18 22:45:24
634. Bob Timmermann
May 2, 1964.

2006-09-18 22:45:27
635. JoeyP
This is more improbably than Gibson's homer.

I dont think I've ever seen anything so unbelievable.

2006-09-18 22:46:21
636. Vaudeville Villain
And Furcal...Just...Missed it.
2006-09-18 22:46:26

637. Xeifrank
I just turned the tv back on and saw the three outs in a row. Jinx! vr, Xei
2006-09-18 22:46:30

638. RELX
Does it even matter if we win this thing anymore? Moments like these are why it is great to be a baseball fan!
2006-09-18 22:46:36

639. Benaiah
This is the coolest thing I have ever seen.
2006-09-18 22:46:50

640. Gagne55
OMG, i go to the bathroom, come back, and it's tied. Hoffman's first blown save against the Blue since i think 2001.

2006-09-18 22:47:11
642. underdog
Yeah, I think if they lose this game now, it's going to be particularly cruel. But I'm sure freaking out in a positive way at the moment.

Btw, this is all because I stopped watching the game on MLBTV on the net, and just followed it on GameDay while watching TV. So you can thank me in part.

2006-09-18 22:47:12
643. Linkmeister
Er, Holy Cow!
2006-09-18 22:47:19

644. Uncle Miltie
what the This game is really distracting me. I'm supposed to be studying for a geology midterm!
2006-09-18 22:47:56

645. underdog
Did Furcal just miss it? I couldn't tell from GameDay. That would have been miraculous.

2006-09-18 22:47:57
646. Bob Timmermann
Aaron Sele - the buzzkill.

2006-09-18 22:48:01
647. JoeyP
The Dodgers have hit 6 solo homers tonite.
Back-Back-Back-Back in the 9th inning.

Marlon Anderson is 5-5 with 2HRs tonite.

2006-09-18 22:48:28
649. Johnny Nucleo
Needless to say, all thoughts of going back to thesis-writing have gone by the wayside.

2006-09-18 22:48:51
651. ninjavshippo
647 - this has to go down in history as the "Marlon Anderson" game.

2006-09-18 22:49:09
652. RELX
Because it looks so good, here is Gameday instant replay, brought you to by all the Dodger fans awake at 2AM on the east coast!

Bottom 9TH B:1 S:0 O:0
Jeff Kent homers (14) on a fly ball to center field.

Bottom 9TH B:2 S:1 O:0
J. D. Drew homers (17) on a fly ball to right field.

Bottom 9TH B:0 S:0 O:0
Pitcher Change: Trevor Hoffman replaces Jon Adkins, batting 9th.

Bottom 9TH B:0 S:0 O:0
Coaching visit to mound.

Bottom 9TH B:0 S:0 O:0
Russell Martin homers (10) on a fly ball to left field.

Bottom 9TH B:0 S:0 O:0
Marlon Anderson homers (9) on a fly ball to right field.

2006-09-18 22:49:15
653. Gagne55
647 And all the DT posters were hollering for Andre Ethier. Looks like Little got something right at least.

2006-09-18 22:49:16
654. JoeyP
Put it this way.
Tonite is baseball history.

Its lkely you'll never see something like that again ever.

2006-09-18 22:49:21
655. Bob Timmermann
The only NL team prior to tonight that hit four straight home runs was the Braves.

They lost the game

2006-09-18 22:49:37
656. Xeifrank
645. Furcal hit it near the edge of the warning track. vr, Xei

2006-09-18 22:49:58
657. underdog
Crap, and the hurting begins anew. I'm scared - somebody hold me.
2006-09-18 22:51:03

658. StolenMonkey86
no, that's Manny Alexander on deck, not Mike Piazza.

2006-09-18 22:51:04
659. Xeifrank
655. So you're saying we got a shot!
vr, Xei

2006-09-18 22:51:06
660. Linkmeister
If it's gotta be extra innings, at least it's at home.

2006-09-18 22:51:08
661. Bob Timmermann
My feelings transcend any thesaurus now.

2006-09-18 22:52:02
665. JoeyP
Even if the Dodgers lose, it doesnt take away the awesomeness of the 9th ining.

Baseball is supposed to be enterainment, and that was one of the greatest things i've ever seen.

I dont care how the game finishes at this point. I really dont.

2006-09-18 22:52:52
669. Vaudeville Villain
When I said Marlon Anderson was redundant, I was obviously on crack.

There was no on else like him alive.
In his day, he was the mightiest man on earth,
highborn and powerful.

Beowulf appropriation.

2006-09-18 22:53:18
671. confucius
I swear to god if the Dodgers bullpen blows this game...

2006-09-18 22:53:32
672. underdog
That's true Joey, it really is. I just think I'll feel a weird sense of frustration if they lose now given the miraculous comeback. But win or lose, it really is unforgettable.

2006-09-18 22:54:06
675. joekings
I think I'm going to be sick.

2006-09-18 22:54:37
676. underdog
{{cursing quietly to self at home}}

2006-09-18 22:55:08
677. Xeifrank
oh well, better luck next ....
vr, Xei

2006-09-18 22:59:36
684. Xeifrank
ok, back to backs to win it.
vr, Xei

2006-09-18 23:00:17
688. Bob Timmermann
I don't believe anyone has been retired in order tonight on either side.

2006-09-18 23:00:55
689. das411
WOW. Just scrolled through the last hundred or so Things like this are what makes baseball great...unbelieveable!

2006-09-18 23:01:14
690. capdodger
At least the only have to get one back this time. And against Seanez...
2006-09-18 23:02:06

691. Jon Weisman
Aaron Sele finished the 10th with the Dodgers' 200th pitch.

2006-09-18 23:02:18
692. Telemachos
I'm sorry, everyone. I've jinxed the Dodgers.

I tuned out in the top of the ninth, to do some work.

Finished up, thought I would check the GameDay score, and saw 4 consecutive homers.


Checked the TiVO and sure enough, it had stopped recording, so I couldn't flip back and watch them.

So I immediately turned to Prime Ticket and set up recordings later for the replay.

No sooner did I do that then Sele gave up the run.


What a game.

2006-09-18 23:03:35
695. Johnny Nucleo
Looking at the title of this thread, I have to laugh.

2006-09-18 23:03:35
696. scooplew
The Seanez I remember throws a straight fastball. We should be able to do something with it.

2006-09-18 23:03:38
697. DeucesAreWild
Nomar's up. I know what you are thinking. Don't say it!

2006-09-18 23:03:43
698. KG16
I haven't really been paying attention the last week or so (in my defense my baby sister got married over the weekend), so let me ask...

Have I missed anything?

2006-09-18 23:03:49
699. Jon Weisman
Walk's as good as a hit, batter.
2006-09-18 23:04:15

700. confucius

2006-09-18 23:04:43
701. Greg Brock
The greatest game ever played.

2006-09-18 23:04:47
702. KG16
Just in time...

2006-09-18 23:04:51
703. StolenMonkey86

2006-09-18 23:04:54
704. Telemachos



2006-09-18 23:04:57
705. Linkmeister

2006-09-18 23:05:23
707. micktissue

2006-09-18 23:05:26
708. trainwreck
To beat a dead horse...


2006-09-18 23:05:37
709. Uncle Miltie

2006-09-18 23:05:37
710. JoeyP
That was unbelievable.
Whatever bats the Dodgers used during the 9th/10th innings, they need to keep using those.


2006-09-18 23:05:45
712. underdog
Guys, I don't know you very well, but I think I want to hug all of you right now very very much. I'm both extremely happy, and not a little scared that the end of the world may be nigh.

2006-09-18 23:06:28
715. DeucesAreWild
My head exploded.


Arms, Legs, and Torso.

2006-09-18 23:06:59
716. StolenMonkey86
What a game!

2006-09-18 23:07:32
717. DeucesAreWild
My head exploded.


Arms, Legs, and Torso.

(p.s. I think we broke The Toaster.)

2006-09-18 23:07:49
718. confucius
Go crazy!!

2006-09-18 23:08:16
719. StolenMonkey86
What a game!

2006-09-18 23:09:04
722. Bob Timmermann
Win #8 for Aaron Sele.

2006-09-18 23:09:46
723. capdodger
So I went upstairs for a blue gatorade and came back down to "Nomar Garciaparra homers (18) on a fly ball to left field. Kenny Lofton scores."

Even though it is but salt, sugar, and filtered water I think that it will have to be savored.

2006-09-18 23:11:29
726. Johnny Nucleo
712-Yes, I feel that a group hug is in order.

2006-09-18 23:11:54
727. scooplew
I saw my first game on July 3, 1955, at Ebbets Field. I was 7. I am in my 52nd season of being a Dodgers fan. I just told my daughter, who is 19, that tonight's game may have been the greatest game in major league history.

2006-09-18 23:11:58
728. micktissue

That was definitely the most amazing game I've ever, uh, heard

2006-09-18 23:11:59
729. Xeifrank
Best Dodger game since the Gibson HR.
vr, Xei

2006-09-18 23:12:20
730. underdog
Highlights on Sportscenter - NOW.

2006-09-18 23:14:00
733. NPB
This is the second-greatest moment in Dodgers history. And that may have been the greatest single baseball game of all time. It was certainly the greatest comeback of all time. Oh man.

2006-09-18 23:14:27
734. Steve in Rochester
this I can say is unequivocally the greatest experience of my sports watching life.

2006-09-18 23:14:33
735. Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers are no longer last in the NL in home runs.

Last time the Dodgers hit seven home runs at Dodger Stadium.

2006-09-18 23:14:51
736. Blue in SF
I am moving back to LA...
2006-09-18 23:15:00

737. Uncle Miltie
Just saw the highlights. Incredible.

2006-09-18 23:15:11
739. Greg Brock
No words...Should have sent a poet.

Plus, I think the hamster that powers the Toaster just died of exhaustion on the wheel.

2006-09-18 23:15:17
740. MSarg29
I cant believe it. Before I got word on Gameday, my Mom called me to give me the news. Gotta love that she is up in NJ watching the game. Unbelievable!

2006-09-18 23:15:44
741. confucius
That was the best game I'll ever watch.

2006-09-18 23:16:06
743. towerofpower



2006-09-18 23:17:20
745. Benaiah
I think that if I jumped off a building right now I would float down as softly as a feather. After all, I must be dreaming.

2006-09-18 23:17:29
746. Ken Arneson
The next time the Dodgers to a comeback this crazy, y'all need to warn me so I can adjust the server settings for the traffic spike.

2006-09-18 23:17:38
748. Linkmeister
739 You thinkin' WH Auden's "the center cannot hold?"

2006-09-18 23:17:50
749. underdog
I think we're overloading the DodgerThoughts server and causing it to implode with our group hugging.

2006-09-18 23:18:26
751. das411
OK, that was officially insane. Live it up guys, if ever a group of people deserved a game like this it was you DTers. You'll forever savor the Dodger legends of Jeff Kent, JD Drew, Russ Martin, Marlon Anderson, and Nomah Garciaparra :)

2006-09-18 23:18:43
752. ninjavshippo
still stunned

2006-09-18 23:18:51
753. Bob Timmermann
Hold #30 for Scott Linebrink.

2006-09-18 23:18:58
754. confucius
I just got text messages from everyone I know.

2006-09-18 23:19:01
755. Benaiah
I want to see the Win Probability Added stats for this game.
2006-09-18 23:19:11

756. RELX
739. Yeats said that--but he never hit four straight HR's to tie a game!!
2006-09-18 23:19:19

757. micktissue
I'm going to do something I thought I'd never do. Because I don't have cable and I have to listen to all the games via

I'm gonna buy that game!

2006-09-18 23:19:36
761. ninjavshippo
751 - here here. as weird as it is to say, since i couldn't be with my local contingent of dodger crazies, i wouldn't have wanted to share it with anyone other than the DTers.

2006-09-18 23:20:28
764. RELX
I want to play another game--NOW! Start Hamulack--we have no fear!

2006-09-18 23:22:44
767. Nick Iyengar
I remember that a while back we were talking about how Jose Valentin managed to create a few memories in a Dodger uniform during his short stint in L.A., but Marlon Anderson has topped him by far. As strange as it is, it'll be a long time before we forget that Marlon Anderson was once a Dodger hero.

2006-09-18 23:24:17
769. RELX
I watched Anderson play with the Mets last year, and he was a clutch player. I think he has earned another season in Dodger blue. Oh, and another start tomorrow night.

2006-09-18 23:33:28
777. popup
What a gem of a game.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-19 01:34:33
787. spacebrother
Doing my part to run the comments to 1000-

I was actually there tonight. Throughout the game, I kept telling my sister (a Padres fan) not to worry, the Dodgers would find some way to lose. I felt that, if I truly kept up this attitude, they had a chance, but I would have to TRULY believe that they would tank.

My season tickets are shared with another guy, and he had the tix for tonight, so I bought some in section 52, next to the Pad's bullpen. Hoffman and the other guy (who was it that gave up the first 2 homers?) were warming up and with each hiss of the incoming ball and subsequent "thwack!" I saw the Dodgers going down.

I even told my sister not to worry after the back-to-back-to-back-to-back. Our Dodgers would find a way to tank. When Sele came out in the 10th, and gave up the run, I was SURE of my prediction.

Like one of the other posters said, a thesaurus does no good at times like this. Maybe I won't have to return all those post season tix I bought after all.

Did anyone hear Nomah on KFWB after the game? He was right on the edge of tears. Listening to him brought me there too.

Thanks to everyone and Jon for all the great stuff on this blog during this season. It always brings a smile, even when the Dodgers are falling by the wayside.

2006-09-20 09:15:08
790. Blaine
I know that since this is at the end of this thread which is a few days old that no one may ever read this.

I read through this thread a couple of days after the fact. What an awesome read. I love the comments about how worthless Nomar was early in the thread. I also loved how many times people gave up and vowed to watch a different TV show. I wonder how many people will regret watching the premiere of a TV show that will be forgotten in 10 years versus watching probably the greatest regular season non-pennant deciding game in Dodger history.

It was funny to watch all of the fans in the parking lot trying to get back into the game when they heard the continual roar of the crowd from inside the stadium. It was just as amusing seeing the comments of people who went to have dinner, fell asleep or put the kids to bed to come back and realize that they missed a piece of history.

On the game, this was my second greatest Dodger moment ever. I still vividly remember watching the Gibson homerun with my church youth group and how huge that celebration was. This time around, I was alone at home. My kids were in bed and my wife was on the computer (which is why I read the thread later) and she couldn't understand why I was yelling in the living room about something that "I have never seen before."

While many DTers missed the heroics, my story is in reverse. I checked out of school a little bit early tonight and came home just in time to watch the most magical three innings that I had ever seen. The rest of my classmates were stuck in a classroom watching the big giant "homerun" come across their computer screens.

Haha (say it quick, rather triumphantly.)

What a game.

11:10 p.m.
Almost ... Almost ... YES!

It has been a Friday night and Saturday night combined emotionally, but now it's starting to feel like Monday. ...

This crowd is beside itself with joy. You can come down the wall now. ...

A lot of the folks that left have decided to come back, so welcome back. ...


A high fly ball to left field - it is a-way out and gone! The Dodgers win it, 11-10! Ha ha ha - unbelievable!



I forgot to tell you. The Dodgers are in first place.

- Vin Scully

* * *

The most intense game of the year, the most incredible game of many a year, ends in elation ... almost.

The Dodgers exorcise the ghosts of April 30 ... almost.

Down four in the ninth, four consecutive home runs - a first by a major league team since 1964, according to Vinny on the broadcast. And all it is is ... almost.

Exactly 200 pitches thrown by Dodger pitchers and still alive ... almost.

Rafael Furcal, Jeff Kent, J.D. Drew and Marlon Anderson all OPSing over .950 in September, and ... almost. Hold the Padres to two runs on Sunday, score nine runs on Monday ... almost.

Almost nothing. YES!

Perhaps the greatest game at Dodger Stadium since, or including, the September 11, 1983 game. The moment doesn't surpass Kirk Gibson, maybe not even Steve Finley, factoring in context. But the game surpasses their games. The game was stunning.

Seven home runs, tying a Dodger Stadium home record - practically a footnote.

How can you not be trembling?

Remember your evening sedative? You may need to induce a coma to calm Dodger fans now.

SD 400 000 023 1 - 10 15 0
LA 112 000 014 2 - 11 19 2
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More memories provided by Ramona Shelburne of the Daily News.

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Back to the present. Dylan Hernandez of the Times and Diamond Leung of the Press-Enterprise each have features today on James Loney.

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2007-09-18 07:00:21
1.   Disabled List
Jon just underdogged the thread!

Great memories. I wish I had been awake for that game, but just so I could've participated in the thread. I saw the game "live" on the archive the next morning.

2007-09-18 07:18:09
2.   Xeifrank
Thanks for the memories. Glad I was able to share the experience of the 4+1 game with such a great crowd. The Sports Illustrated headline was the icing on the cake.
vr, Xei
2007-09-18 07:33:51
3.   Sam DC
And the Weisman for best use of a newly coined bit of DT lingo goes to . . . Disabled List!
2007-09-18 07:42:32
4.   bhsportsguy
The only regret I have about being at the game was not being able to share it with the DT community.
2007-09-18 07:42:53
5.   Jon Weisman
It was only a demi-underdog.
2007-09-18 07:45:12
6.   D4P
I see that the first game of today's doubleheader is scheduled for 3:05 eastern, and the second for 8:35. Not that doubleheaders are common anymore, but when they do happen, is it common for there to be such a potentially big time gap between games?
2007-09-18 07:50:54
7.   bhsportsguy
6 They rarely play traditional doubleheaders anymore.

This is more of just two games being played the same day with different tickets being needed for both games.

2007-09-18 07:54:23
8.   Gen3Blue
6-7 Yes "day/night" doubleheader seems to have been invented so the fan doesn't get a free game, like when I was a kid.
2007-09-18 07:59:23
9.   Bluebleeder87
That thread all ways gets me, everytime I've read it it just takes me back, love it.
2007-09-18 08:09:46
10.   Sam DC
I also enjoy the next thread, of people sitting around watching the replay at 2 in the morning.

Also known as, "when I woke up (having fallen asleep at the kitchen counter following the game on gameday) and found at what happened."

2007-09-18 08:12:02
11.   Jonny6
It's funny how memory works. If you were to ask me who hit the homeruns in the famous 4+1 game, I could have rattled that off without pause (weren't they all early in the count as well?). But if you were to ask me who allowed the Padres run in the 10th inning, I would have been stumped. If you would have then informed me that it was Aaron Sele, I would have been skeptical because I am having a hard time even remembering him being on the roster last year.

Selective memory I suppose. I wonder which details from this season I am going to subconsciously purge from my memory by this time next year, hopefully anything involving Tomko in a Dodger uniform.

2007-09-18 08:28:27
12.   LogikReader
I'm sure we all remembered where we were when 4+1 happened. I'll never forget it, it was just a fantastic moment in my memory of watching Dodger games.

Would you believe earlier this year, the Red Sox hit 4 straight home runs against they Yankees during the 3rd or 4th inning? ESPN was so excited, they were all over it! I remember hearing "I don't think anything like this has happened before." Did they really forget about 4+1, so soon?

2007-09-18 08:30:19
13.   Peanuts in My Shoes
Here are your video memories (with Vin):

2007-09-18 08:31:59
14.   LogikReader
If I knew how to post it online, I also have the Charley Steiner version here on my computer.
2007-09-18 08:34:14
15.   caseybarker
How many extra games do you think Lofton would have been worth this year over Pierre?

A quick calculation reveals that Lofton created 68 runs in 129 games in 2006 while Pierre will create 76 runs in 162 games in 2007. The extra games Lofton would not have played in 2007 would have been filled by Kemp.

2007-09-18 08:41:35
16.   Bluebleeder87

I remember reading a blog (forget which one it was) but he said hearing Steiner make the call sounded like a guy giving birth to a healthy litter of kittens I got a healthy LOL out of reading that.

2007-09-18 08:41:46
17.   Wilbert Robinson
Jeff Francis likes day games this year. In 7 starts he is 6-0 with a 2.68 ERA.
2007-09-18 08:48:25
18.   Bluebleeder87

on the 2nd video (were the ball landed) there's this guy pointing up at the sky chairing like theres no tomorrow, man, that's what it's all about.

2007-09-18 08:50:00
19.   Doug N
If you want to see a picture of the bat Marlon Anderson used to hit that home run, here's a picture from my recent Hall of Fame trip:

And just for context, here's the locker it's in:

2007-09-18 08:51:04
20.   Bluebleeder87

have all those starts been at home?

2007-09-18 08:51:36
21.   kinbote
so today's version of "we-are-still-in-this-thing" rationalization goes like this:

we're 4 behind arizona, 3 behind s.d., & 1.5 behind philly. with a doubleheader today, we could theoretically gain up to 1.5 on each competitor. if we sweep and even one of those three loses, it has to be considered a good day (even if we only tie philly).

if we split, we have to hope they all lose (which is never a good situation).

if we get swept, well, i think it's hull & d. young time . . .

2007-09-18 09:02:01
22.   Jon Weisman
19 - Cool!

The game thread should open shortly before noon - keep an eye out.

2007-09-18 09:05:02
23.   underdog
Oh man. I hope that's not my main legacy here or in life, the huge cut and paste job. Oh well, better to be remembered for something than not at all.

I was also hoping to bury the fact that I typed "OMG" like a teenage girl but at least I wasn't alone, and if ever there was an excusable night for it, that was it. Thanks for the memories of an amazing night. Just a reminder that anything is possible. Or, as Han Solo said, "Never tell me the odds."

2007-09-18 09:05:03
24.   Jon Weisman
Lee Lacy is the eighth-oldest player to hit three homers in a game.

2007-09-18 09:05:39
25.   underdog
21 With the doubleheader today, it could be Hull and D Young time today, even.
2007-09-18 09:08:22
26.   underdog
I think the fact that Jose Hernandez hit a grand slam that same night was the second most amazing thing that date.
2007-09-18 09:08:38
27.   Kevin Lewis
I remember going home after the game, and my wife had no idea why I was so pumped with adrenaline. I really wish I had gone out for a beer afterwards to calm down a bit.
2007-09-18 09:18:56
28.   Wilbert Robinson
20 No only 3 have been at home. 3-0 3.93 ERA.
2007-09-18 09:26:11
29.   Wilbert Robinson
Some questions I've been thinking about while busy at work today. Is it true that in general more runs are scored during the day or is there no notable difference. And if more runs are scored during the day, why?
2007-09-18 09:29:50
30.   Jon Weisman
29 - The whole vampire thing.
2007-09-18 09:30:47
31.   Bluebleeder87
the Phillies have won 4 straight there do for a loss, this could be pretty big if we win both ends of today & tonights contest.
2007-09-18 09:32:28
32.   underdog
Yup, vampires, pretty much. The air is filled with bats at night.

Actually I think there's a meteorological reason - the air is heavier at certain times than others, but I'm not sure of the stats. And the 4+1 game was at night so we know balls can definitely travel just fine when it's dark.

2007-09-18 09:32:34
33.   Bluebleeder87

I'm no scientist, but I think the air is thiner during the day & the air is thicker during the night.

2007-09-18 09:32:42
34.   fanerman
Wow. I remember where I was on 4+1 night. I took a shower after the second home run because I was so tired for one reason or another. I can't believe I missed it. Still, what an amazing game.
2007-09-18 09:33:28
35.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers score more runs per game at night than they do during the day (4.49 to 4.09). The Rockies score more runs per game during the day than at night (5.48 to 5.16).
2007-09-18 09:43:02
36.   D4P
Given your data access, is it possible to control for home/away in your analysis?
2007-09-18 09:44:42
37.   dzzrtRatt
Chills from reading that thread. The first time I read it, it was retrospective (otherwise I would've chimed in). I had given up on the game, and let my wife have the remote, and we were watching something else. Thank God it wasn't on TCM or HBO, so there was a commercial to allow me to "check on" the game. I entered just as Drew had hit his homer.

My howls greatly disturbed my son. But then, it greatly disturbs me that he wasn't screaming. Oh well.

I've floated this idea before: A widget that would allow you to mash up video of a game like this (or the Gameday presentation) with a realtime running DT thread. So if you missed a game, you could watch it and watch what DTers were saying about it as it happened.

This thread would be the one I'd show investors.

2007-09-18 09:45:18
38.   Bob Timmermann
By my "data access" do you mean looking somewhere else than

The Dodgers and Rockies have each played twice as many home games as road games. Actually more than double.

2007-09-18 09:45:48
39.   Wilbert Robinson
well it looks like Chad Billingsley doesn't mind pitching during the day either. 6-1 2.84.
2007-09-18 09:47:01
41.   Bluebleeder87
I like our chances with Bills but I'm not sold on Wells going tonight, it could get ugly with him but maybe he stills has something in his bag of tricks.
2007-09-18 09:47:20
42.   D4P
The Dodgers and Rockies have each played twice as many home games as road games

Huh? I thought only Stanford football could pull that off...

2007-09-18 09:47:32
43.   LogikReader
Quickly, before the NPUT!

We can send Barry Bond's 756 ball into space! The guy who caught it set up a website and gave users the option to vote for sending it into orbit. No joke, he's on the radio right now.

We gotta do this:

2007-09-18 09:49:45
44.   LogikReader
You guys were right, the dude is a Mets fan, from NJ no less, and a Bon Jovi fan.

Can we send him to space too?

2007-09-18 09:50:51
45.   dzzrtRatt
Heresy, I know, but...if there is anyone on the Dodgers right now for whom the concept of PVL might actually apply, it's Wells. It's just a matter of whether his curve is working. If it is, he'll be more than fine. His attitude and instincts are so refined, I doubt he ever beats himself anymore.
2007-09-18 09:51:14
46.   ImprobableImpossible
Game 1 Lineup, via Tony Jackson

SS Furcal
CF Pierre
RF Kemp
2B Kent
1B Loney
C Martin
3B LaRoche
LF Ethier
RH Billingsley

2007-09-18 09:51:59
47.   Bob Timmermann
They've recreated some of the games on soundstages and use a lot of CGI to fool us.
2007-09-18 09:52:24
48.   fanerman
Kemy, LaRoche, and Ethier all together.
2007-09-18 09:52:29
49.   D4P
A widget that would allow you to mash up video of a game like this (or the Gameday presentation) with a realtime running DT thread

On a somewhat-related note, just yesterday I came up with a "Boss Button" widget, which would be a pedal on the floor connected to your computer (or wireless) that when pressed would automatically open a work-related window on your screen.

I'm sure we've all been there: you're at work and checking email or blogging on DT or some such thing you "shouldn't" be doing, and the boss walks into your cubicle. You're left to either keep the thing you shouldn't be looking at up on your screen, or to scramble in an effort to close it or navigate to another window. Neither option is desirable, because even if the boss doesn't see what you didn't want him/her to see, they still see you obviously closing it, which looks mighty suspicious.

Wouldn't it be nice if you could use your foot to navigate instead? One simple stomp on your Boss Button, and VOILA! Your spreadsheet appears on your screen, and your boss hasn't a clue that you were getting paid to follow the Dodger game.

2007-09-18 09:55:49
50.   Jon Weisman
46 - Wow, almost the dream lineup. Is there a better No. 8 hitter in the league?
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2007-09-18 09:55:57
51.   fanerman
49 That happens to me (or nearly happens) every day.
2007-09-18 09:57:01
52.   fanerman
48 The "y" should be a "p," obviously. On the keyboard I type on, "y" is next to "p."
2007-09-18 09:59:15
53.   BlueCrew Bruin
46 Wow, that actually looks like a fantastic lineup.
2007-09-18 09:59:50
54.   Bob Timmermann
You've had one of those rare conditions where your right pinky and right index fingers sometimes act in place of each other.
2007-09-18 10:01:41
55.   Bluebleeder87
La Roche goes deep today, I feel it.
2007-09-18 10:02:04
56.   Kevin Lewis

Well, Grady is doing what he can to win the first one.

2007-09-18 10:02:07
57.   fanerman
54 Actually, I set my keyboard layout to Dvorak instead of QWERTY. So I'm not kidding.
2007-09-18 10:03:13
58.   Bob Timmermann
So is that your "New World Keyboard?"
2007-09-18 10:05:28
59.   Wilbert Robinson
53 its almost perfect except for maybe an ethier pierre swap or a pierre to the giants swap. Hmm now there's an idea for a new TV show. "Pierre Swap" its like Wife Swap except it stars Juan Pierre. We give Juan Pierre to a family to take over the maternal role. They give us their wife to roam centerfield and bat in the 2 slot.
2007-09-18 10:08:57
60.   ToyCannon
Hate to lose with that lineup since it is the one most people have been clamoring four.

Martin, La Roche, Loney, Billingsley from the Jackonsville 5 with
Kemp from Vero Beach
and Ethier from AA Texas League in Oakland Org.

La Roche, Loney, Either, Kemp were all playing for the same AFL league in 2005.

I guess it will be a while before we hear about how the Dodgers prospects never pan out.

2007-09-18 10:09:52
61.   ToyCannon
If you say it everygame he starts you will eventually be right.
2007-09-18 10:10:22
62.   dzzrtRatt
Once again, Grady uses the "my back's against the wall" lineup. If he absolutely, positively has to win, this is the lineup he will use. If he thinks he can survive a loss, then you start seeing Nomar and LuGo.
2007-09-18 10:10:23
63.   fanerman
58 I spent the last couple minutes trying to think of something clever to reply with, but I failed.
2007-09-18 10:13:43
64.   Bluebleeder87
Simers was on the air today talking about the whole Dodger Talk thing earlier today, I gotta be honest he was pretty good about what he said (he was pretty "fair & balanced") saying he saw Josh Rawitch side of the story but he also saw KFWB's side of the story as well, he mentioned ItD & L.A. Observed blogs & for a moment there I thought he was gonna mention DT. I don't know, it was pretty entertaining.
2007-09-18 10:15:01
65.   Bluebleeder87

That's what I'm shooting for TC, by the way you wrote a homerun of a post yesterday.

2007-09-18 10:16:39
66.   Bob Timmermann
It's one of my favorite symphonies. I'll be at Disney Hall the Sunday afternoon after Thanksgiving to hear it performed.
2007-09-18 10:17:09
67.   Dark Horse
62-Yeah, it's the line-up we love, obviously. But doesn't it assure that game two will serve up both Gonzo and Nomar?

Not to be a pessimist, but I can imagine Grady trotting out the likes of Hillenbrand, even Sweeney for game two. It's just the way it seems to go around here.

2007-09-18 10:21:02
68.   LogikReader
Dumb question: Does time of day affect offense at Coors like it does at other parks?

I have noticed that people talk less about the wild offensive statistics out there. That humidor must really be working.

2007-09-18 10:23:09
69.   fanerman
66 It's definitely a good one. Maybe I'll give it a whirl on the old player tonight.
2007-09-18 10:23:48
70.   still bevens
68 I think the effect is more of a function of how hot it is vs. time of day.
2007-09-18 10:36:17
71.   Terry A
61 - Juan Pierre goes deep today, I can feel it.
2007-09-18 10:43:15
72.   Reiichi
I dream about whatever video games I'm playing these days if anything, but I had a dream last night where Martin hit two out and the Dodgers won 10-9. Perhaps I am mixing my dodger games subconsciously.

Martin goes deep today twice, I can feel it.

2007-09-18 10:43:54
73.   Bob Timmermann
Sometime today, I'm going to have to get up to go to the bathroom.

I can feel it.

2007-09-18 10:44:04
74.   MollyKnight
I need to get some work done right now but I am too excited for these games today! An off day followed by a double-header is just too much for me. My coffee withdrawl is about to be quenched with cocaine.
2007-09-18 10:44:36
75.   Johnny Nucleo
19 , 22 The "Your Evening Sedative" title of the thread should go into the Irony Hall of Fame.
2007-09-18 10:45:11
76.   fanerman
paranoidandroid would right about now say "just 'cuz you feel it, doesn't mean it's there."
2007-09-18 10:45:29
77.   Terry A
73 - You'll be clearing The Potty Hurdle?
2007-09-18 10:47:37
78.   Humma Kavula
73 If you can feel it, you probably shouldn't wait.
2007-09-18 10:49:09
79.   Bluebleeder87
Martin goes deep today twice, I can feel it.

Martin needs 3 more for the very rear & elite group of 20/20 catchers in history so I'll be there rooting with you bro.

2007-09-18 10:49:49
80.   StolenMonkey86
Kent is 12 PA away from his option vesting
2007-09-18 10:55:08
81.   underdog
Love the first game's line-up; now it's up to them to produce. I'm sure the second game's line-up will be less appealing, given you do have to rest some players but hopefully it won't be one of those "throwing in the towel" line-ups. I'll take Nomar at third over Ramon Martinez or Hillenbrand, anyway. Maybe we'll see the likes of a DelYoung or a Hu in game 2. We already know Lieberthal will catch the second. I kinda expect that one to be a 8-7 extra inning kinda game anyway.

Fingers crossed for the first one!

2007-09-18 10:56:08
82.   underdog
And Pierre's bunt home run will indeed be the highlight of the doubleheader, to be sure.
2007-09-18 10:57:35
83.   Bluebleeder87
a humid ball must be heavier than a regular MLB baseball I presume, isn't that illegal? but I'm pretty sure the owners worked all that out, I'm guessing.
2007-09-18 10:58:50
84.   Humma Kavula
82 Only Frank Howard can do that.
2007-09-18 11:02:02
85.   kinbote
71 - meaning he works a three-ball count, right?

seriously, is there a worse sin in baseball than walking juan pierre?

2007-09-18 11:07:49
86.   KG16
FSN has Beyond the Glory: the Designated Hitter on right now.

Looks like they are playing the "is it really good for baseball" line with the show. Lot of talk about Ortiz in the ALCS against the Yankees.

2007-09-18 11:09:50
87.   KG16
86 - best line so far, "The American League is becoming Arena Baseball."


2007-09-18 11:10:32
88.   El Lay Dave
Dave, my mind is going.
I can feel it.
2007-09-18 11:11:51
89.   El Lay Dave
80 If he vests today, I feel better about the odds of a Dodger sweep.
2007-09-18 11:13:19
90.   CanuckDodger
Does anybody have Chad's career numbers at Coors? I recall him having a pretty tough time there in the past. I am actually pretty pessimistic about how he will do today. Frankly, I am pessimistic about how the Dodgers will do this entire series. The Rockies are formidable at home, and the Dodgers, like every other team, tend to look uncomfortable breathing the thin air that they are unaccustomed to.
2007-09-18 11:13:45
91.   El Lay Dave
84 BIG Frank.
2007-09-18 11:14:00
92.   caseybarker

Pierre walked three times in the Arizona series: and twice on Friday!

2007-09-18 11:18:26
93.   El Lay Dave
90 2 G, 1 GS, 7 IP, 13 H, 10 R, 2 HR, 6 BB, 5 K

The relief appearance was last year, a 2 2/3 IP, 6 R hold in a 19-11 win.

The start was this year, 7/29:

Small sample size.

2007-09-18 11:22:04
94.   fanerman
93 The Dodgers scored 19 runs once?
2007-09-18 11:22:33
95.   ToyCannon
Thanks, I thought BHSPORTSGUY did a great job on his story. I'll be forever jealous of him.
2007-09-18 11:24:51
96.   El Lay Dave
Billingsley has five straight quality starts, all six or seven IP, with the two six-inning games allowing 1 ER each.

This is only his second start this season on five days rest. The other was 7/18 against the Phillies. He got a win on 5 IP, 4 ER, 7 H, 4 K, 4 BB, 1 HR, 113 pitches.

Not much to go on.

2007-09-18 11:25:50
97.   Curtis Lowe
87 - That is funny. I always call AL ball Arena League. I think it's the atmosphere.
2007-09-18 11:27:38
98.   bhsportsguy
95 Thanks to you for letting me write a little something on the game.

I looked back at the threads after the game and just re-reading the comments gives me chills.

2007-09-18 11:30:05
99.   bhsportsguy
Per Diamond Leung:
"Those Dodgers expected to start both games are Rafael Furcal, Juan Pierre, James Loney and Matt Kemp."
2007-09-18 11:31:07
100.   KG16
One more line from the DH show:

The purpose is to give the older guys a chance to keep playing, but at some point you have to let the kids play, give them a chance. At some point, not everyone can play.

That line was delivered by our very own Tommy Lasorda.

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2007-09-18 11:45:49
101.   Wilbert Robinson
68 Here's a really good BP article from last year about the Coors and the Humidor.

2007-09-18 11:47:32
102.   Wilbert Robinson
101 *pretend that the "the" before Coors doesn't exist.
2007-09-18 11:47:46
103.   Bob Timmermann
I apologize for my earlier rule 2 violations which will throw off the count today.
2007-09-18 11:50:20
104.   underdog
Darnit. I wish the Dodgers weren't playing their DH on one of my busiest days at work. Rats. I'll be taking a lot of "breaks," at least.
2007-09-18 11:53:11
105.   El Lay Dave
103 Wake up spitting nails today Bob?
2007-09-18 11:53:20
106.   Wilbert Robinson
104 I second that.
2007-09-18 11:56:25
107.   Bob Timmermann
Sadly, I had a non-metaphorical medical condition that is best left unstated.
2007-09-18 11:56:34
108.   rockmrete
What is the DH Show?
2007-09-18 11:58:23
109.   KG16
108 - Beyond the Glory: The Designated Hitter running on FSN right now (well, actually about to end)
2007-09-18 11:58:33
110.   D4P
We'll just assume it had to do with "feeling like you were going to have to get up to go to the bathroom" and leave it at that.
2007-09-18 11:59:28
111.   Jim Hitchcock
Anybody have the gameday link handy?
2007-09-18 12:00:07
112.   KG16
2007-09-18 12:00:41
113.   Jim Hitchcock
112 Thanks!
2007-09-18 12:03:27
114.   fan 4 40 plus
Looks like the Fed woke up spitting something...
2007-09-18 12:03:45
115.   El Lay Dave
I see the NPUT coming. I can feel it.
2007-09-18 12:05:53
116.   MollyKnight
The Dodgers are never, ever in the first baseball game of the day. I'm loving this.
2007-09-18 12:08:52
117.   MollyKnight
When I was in little league and batting lead-off, I wasn't allowed to swing at the first pitch. In fact, I wasn't supposed to swing until after I took the first strike. Something about allowing the 12-year-old hitters behind me the opportunity to see what the opposing pitcher had, or something.
2007-09-18 12:10:42
118.   rockmrete


2007-09-18 12:10:50
119.   fanerman
In case you guys haven't seen it yet, there's a new post up top.
2007-09-18 12:12:56
120.   KG16
117 - I actually played on a team in little league where no one was allowed to swing until they had a strike. Trying to teach us patience or something.

Also, Pierre is starting to figure out this Base on Balls thing.

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