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A's Court Hershiser Again
2006-10-25 17:42
by Jon Weisman

Just as he was in 2005, ex-Dodger Orel Hershiser is a candidate to become the next manager of the Oakland A's.

Given the opportunity to hire Hershiser in 2005, the A's went back to Ken Macha after letting his contract expire - then fired him at the end of the 2006 season. It's interesting how general manager Billy Beane retraces his steps.

A couple of things I wrote about Hershiser last year, when the Dodgers also talked with him about a job:

November 16:

Apparently, the Dodgers' phone communication did not improve when Paul DePodesta left town. According to the Dallas Morning News, Orel Hershiser hasn't heard from the Dodgers in more than a week.

If he doesn't get a call Thursday, he should scribble over the "I [heart] Dodgers" on his Pee Chee folder and keep his tender mercies back in Texas.

November 30:

The most peculiar aspect of the Dodger offseason, aside from the DePodesta firing, is the treatment of Hershiser. He was practically going to be the savior of the franchise - DePodesta's absence, however involuntary, from the team's meeting with Hershiser was supposedly of great significance - and then suddenly, Hershiser was irrelevant. One wonders whether this transformation was born of substance or carelessness.

Anyway, Hershiser gives the aura of being both intelligent and flexible, as well as being a baseball lifer who proved it on the field. It's an attractive combination. The devil's advocate in me, however, notes that pitching coaches have often disappointed as managers, and wonders just how effective Hershiser would be.

I'd certainly interview him, though.

2006-10-25 17:56:44
1.   franklin
I find it interesting that although I read the "A's" in the title of the thread, my mind translated it to "Dodger's". Expression of a not-so-subliminal desire to get Orel back in blue.
2006-10-25 17:58:06
2.   Gagne55
I assume that Orel would at least be smart enough not to put an injured starting pitcher with almost no relief experience into a playoff game tied in the 7th.
2006-10-25 18:00:36
3.   trainwreck
DT basketball draft is at 815 tonight and we only have 5 teams registered. Please some people join the league.

It would be nice to see Orel as manager of the A's, but I still want them to hire Ron Washington.

2006-10-25 18:05:51
4.   bhsportsguy
2 When Orel takes his teams to 2 playoff appearances in his 3 years of managing then maybe that question will be valid.
2006-10-25 18:52:13
5.   Linkmeister
Well, Orel in green and gold wouldn't be as awful to contemplate as orange and black.
2006-10-25 19:05:09
6.   Bluebleeder87

i'd still be pretty upset @ our management for not hiring Orel i mean come on! he's our last true CY YOUNG!

2006-10-25 19:13:02
7.   regfairfield
6 Gagne's doesn't count?
2006-10-25 19:20:28
8.   Bluebleeder87
it does but Orel Hershiser was awesome & we won the WS because of him & Gibbie.
2006-10-25 19:34:05
9.   Steve
If an invalidation is itself invalid, does the earth collapse in on itself in a time and space warp?
2006-10-25 19:34:19
10.   scareduck
6, 8 - as opposed to the false one they gave to Eric Gagne. (Shh, don't tell him.)

Orel Hershiser will be in the ESPN booth next year. The A's will hire Bob Geren.

2006-10-25 19:41:30
11.   D4P
Only if the invalid invalidation is made by an invalid
2006-10-25 19:45:15
12.   thinkblue0
isn't the fantasy basketball draft in like 15 mins? How come it's not showing me in the league anymore?
2006-10-25 19:57:17
13.   trainwreck
League was cancelled not enough people in it.
2006-10-25 20:43:33
14.   Bluebleeder87
I'm kind of ashamed not knowing any other sport besides baseball
2006-10-25 21:45:34
15.   LAT
Poor Orel, his name keeps showing up as an also ran. Its starting to feel like he is the guy they include just to make their managerial searches appear legit. I know he wants a to be the big cheese but is Oakland the right place? Do you really want to start your managerial career under Beane? That is a tough gig for a seasoned manager never mind a rookie. I think he would be better off taking a job with a perenial loser like Tampa or Nats and exceeding the already low expectations.

As for the Dodgers, who knows what kind of manager he would have been, but I like Grady so I'm ok with Orel not getting get the job.

2006-10-25 22:52:38
16.   PlayTwo
Hershiser and the A's, it seems, will be forever linked. With Canseco's confession we know that in '88 the A's and the Bash Brothers really were the Evil Empire. Baseball has the Clark Kent like Orel and the hobbled Gibson to thank for saving the Game when no one really knew what was at stake. Orel is destined to pilot the A's.
2006-10-25 23:03:33
17.   dzzrtRatt
It's a different situation now for Orel. He was a pitching coach for a team that had lousy pitching, and that's his only experience at that level. Sure, he didn't have a lot to work with, but he also didn't do anything amazing with what he had.

I love Hershiser and think he's smart enough for any job, but I think he needs more of an apprenticeship before becoming a ML manager than he thinks he needs. Hence, the sportscasting gig.

2006-10-25 23:16:41
18.   ToyCannon
Has there ever been a "great" manager who never managed in the minors before becoming a manager? Great having to be defined by winning a World Series or a great winning %. Who was the last manager to win a world series who also won a Cy Young? Bob Lemon comes to mind when he beat us in 78 but he wasn't a Cy Young just merely the best pitcher in the AL for 3 years.

Maybe pitching coaches have bad track records as managers because most of them were pitching coaches when hired to become managers but never spent time learning the craft of managing in the minors. Or not.

2006-10-26 07:54:59
19.   Xeifrank
The DT basketball draft was combined with another league drafting tonight (thursday) and the old leage disbanded because we only had 6. A message was posted for the past two days giving out the info to join the other league. Good luck in tonight's draft. We have 12 now. vr, Xei
2006-10-26 08:09:02
20.   Bumsrap
All the really knowledgeable baseball minds have been creating success for teams like Cleveland.

If the Dodgers know this I am sure other teams know this as well.

Hershiser came up through the Dodger organization and thus would not make a good manager, minor league chief, or announcer for that matter.

Good thing baseball has such a good retirement system because long time Dodgers arn't qualified to be in key positions after their playing days are over.

Hershiser and Karros arn't wanted by the Dodgers because the Dodgers don't want their own culture getting in the way of their future.

Sad. Very sad. Now, let's go get another Giant or Indian to lead the the Dodger future. And, if possible, let's sign a few old Giants to play for the Dodgers.

2006-10-26 08:37:06
21.   ToyCannon
From the previous thread which had a combo of anti and pro Sheffield comments I just want to say how wrong I was to even contemplate bringing him back to LA. His latest comments prove that LAT and Scareduck were dead on and that my hope he had grown up was dead wrong.
2006-10-26 08:55:47
22.   katysdad
To follow up on 21, I believe the following is the comment being referred to:

For some reason, the Yankees are reported to have picked up Gary Sheffield's option:

"This will not work, this will not work at all," Sheffield told the newspaper. "I don't want to play first base a year for them. I will not do that."

"I don't know what they're (Yankees) going to do," Sheffield said. "Maybe they picked it up just to trade me. If they do that, if I just (go) to a team for one year, there's going to be a problem."

2006-10-26 09:18:37
23.   das411
Or you could be shopping for things like this, from today's NYPost:

"The Mets can be pretty certain their pen and lineup will be strong next year. They need to find a second baseman, preferably righty hitting, and an intriguing possibility is Rich Aurilia, a New Yorker who was signed to his first pro contract by a Rangers scout named Omar Minaya. Minaya loves free agent Julio Lugo. But so does new Cubs manager Lou Piniella (who had him in Tampa Bay) and the Red Sox, so the price is going to get steep."

2006-10-26 09:34:49
24.   scareduck
14 - that should be a mark of pride!

21 - Sheffield's character, or lack thereof, is ultimately his undoing. I have had a feeling for a while now that he would not handle his aging well, and his comments about playing first base prove it.

2006-10-26 09:45:28
25.   D4P
You couldn't pay me $13 million a year to play first base for the New York Yankees...
2006-10-26 09:52:22
26.   blue22
22 - So which of the superior fielders (Damon, Matsui, Abreu) does Sheff feel he should replace? Either that or he can DH and Giambi can "play" first. That's good for the team.

They've built themselves a nice squad of DH's out there in the Bronx.

23 - Richie would be an intersting pick up for LA (not just as an ex-Giant with a sweet mustache either), who could face a steady diet of lefties as a backup 3B and 2B.

Trouble is Cincinnati has a $3M option for him next year. They'd be wise to pick that up. He had a really great year for them, easily earning his money.

2006-10-26 10:44:49
27.   Eric Enders
18 "Has there ever been a "great" manager who never managed in the minors before becoming a manager? Great having to be defined by winning a World Series or a great winning %."

Joe Torre, John McGraw, Gil Hodges, Ozzie Guillen, Hank Bauer, Lou Boudreau, Tris Speaker, Bob Brenly, Al Dark, Ralph Houk, Leo Durocher, Frankie Frisch, Miller Huggins, Frank Chance, Rogers Hornsby, among others, all won championships without I believe ever having managed in the minors. Also some other accomplished managers who never won championships, like the Robinson brothers (Frank and Wilbert).

2006-10-26 11:16:58
28.   caseybarker
The list of successful managers who never played in the majors is shorter. Earl Weaver to name one.
2006-10-26 11:43:45
29.   LAT
"I don't know what they're (Yankees) going to do," Sheffield said. "Maybe they picked it up just to trade me. If they do that, if I just (go) to a team for one year, there's going to be a problem."

There are so many Sheffield gems in that quote its hard to know where to start:

1. He is bullying and threatening Steinbrenner, the only guy to stand by Gary and give him the respect he thinks he deserves. At least Sheffield doesn't discriminate. He is an equal opportunity jerk.

2. Gary, what will be the "problem"? Is that a threat to loaf again? You are under a contract, if they want to trade you to SF so you can play in the same outfield as your ex-juicing buddy Barry there isn't anything you can do about it (absent a no trade clause which I presume you don't have or you would have mouthed off about that).

3. Nice going Gary, you want your new team to give you a multi-year deal---threatening your old team is a real good way to get it (NOT).

4. Continue to piss off the richest team in baseball and they will sit your butt down for a year and watch you rot. See who picks you up after that.

5. Finally, thank you for removing any doubt that you had changed. All these years later and you still threaten the owner. Good luck in Japan in 2008 (if they will have you).

2006-10-26 12:17:23
30.   joejoejoe
26 More Yankee talk here today than at Bronx Banter. NYY has 6 thirtysomething players that could use DH ABs in their starting lineup and that's before you get to Sheffield and Giambi. It's a recipe for disaster. Take our old sluggers, please!

Random thoughts:
#1 What is a 'Pee Chee' folder?

#2 - What do Dodger fans think of Orel Hershiser, Cleveland Indian? He averaged 15 wins and had a .681 winning percentage in 3 years in Cleveland. That had to hurt after averaging about 5 wins a year and being below .500 in the 5 previous years in LA. I forgot how good Orel H. was in CLE and how mediocre he was in LA during those years.

2006-10-26 12:23:22
31.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.

30 - Almost every boy I went to grade school with at one time or another had a Pee Chee folder to hold their homework - it was yellow with sketches of different people playing sports all over it.

2006-10-26 12:29:39
32.   Uncle Miltie
4. Continue to piss off the richest team in baseball and they will sit your butt down for a year and watch you rot. See who picks you up after that
Not going to happen. As long as he can hit a fastball, Sheff will always be in pretty high demand. Shefield is definitely greedy, but he hasn't had a lot of problems with teammates. He is not in the same class as Barry Bonds, Manny Ramirez, or Jeff Kent as far as cancers go.

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