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Bask Masters
2007-06-23 13:45
by Jon Weisman

If I weren't so lazy, I might have cut out and framed Friday's boxscore.

* * *

And now, to keep things in perspective ...

Guess who is the last National League West pitcher to throw four consecutive complete games.

It was Carlos Perez of the Dodgers, according to's Stat of the Day. Perez allowed three runs in 36 innings over four straight starts in September 1998, prompting the Dodgers to give him a three-year contract.

Four years ago, I wrote about what happened next.

1999: Carlos Perez
Previous season: 241 innings, 3.59 ERA
Spring Training: 28 1/3 innings, 5.72 ERA
April: 24 1/3 innings, 5.55 ERA
Regular season total: 89 2/3 innings, 7.43 ERA

Perez remains an interesting story to me. As you may recall, Perez pitched very well for the Dodgers when acquired in the summer of 1998, and was signed to a three-year contract extension by Kevin Malone. Among the reasons for the extension were the four complete games he threw in September 1998, including two shutouts.

I attended Perez's first start of 1999. It was against the Colorado Rockies, and Perez led, 1-0, after six innings. Perez gave up hits to Dante Bichette and Vinny Castilla in the seventh inning. Dodger manager Davey Johnson does not have anyone warm up in the bullpen. Keep in mind, we're just a week out of Spring Training.

Todd Helton then hits a three-run home run. Still, no one warms up. In fact, Perez would give up a fourth run - and though finally someone got up in the bullpen, no replacement entered the game that inning. Perez finished the seventh, and was pinch-hit for in the bottom of the inning.

I felt strongly, throughout the top of the seventh, that Johnson nonsensically was risking more than a game - he was risking a pitcher. Of course, the previous night, Ismael Valdes had gone 7 2/3 innings in a victory over Arizona. Perhaps Johnson thought the Dodger staff was bionic in 1999. On the other hand, Johnson certainly had a rested bullpen to use.

Perez gave up six earned runs in each of his next two starts. He recovered to throw seven innings of one-run ball in his fourth start, so maybe there isn't a connection. But Perez never got it together after that, finishing with that awful ERA you see above, and so that fourth start seems more like a fluke.

Maybe Perez was destined to implode that season - and I'm certainly not going to say that the huge contract Perez got could be justified. But you'd think with that contract, Johnson would have been more careful. I've always wondered whether he might have ruined Perez's career in that seventh inning on April 8.

Also on Dodger Thoughts:

"There's Always Carlos," October 20, 2004

"Carlos Perez and Bill Singer," December 20, 2004

* * *

The new Blogad on the side really is for bats. I checked.

* * *

Today's 4:10 p.m. game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (643)
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2007-06-23 14:13:31
1.   JoeyP
Does Thom Brennamen bring his soapbox to every broadcast?
2007-06-23 14:19:45
2.   Bob Timmermann
Fox ships its ahead for him.
2007-06-23 14:21:04
3.   Greg Brock
Everything. He. Says. Is. MONUMENTALLY. Important.
2007-06-23 14:22:50
4.   The Rabbits Rarely Loose
the man has the voice of an angel
2007-06-23 14:28:39
5.   Kevin Lewis

Furcal, SS
Pierre, CF
Martin, C
Kent, 2B
Saenz, DH
Loney, 1B
Kemp, RF
Ethier, LF
Abreu, 3B
Wolf, P

I don't know how I feel about Abreu. I would like to see Betemit get some more chances.

2007-06-23 14:30:48
6.   The Rabbits Rarely Loose

I dont think its right, Jackson has a different lineup . . . . and while Josh seems more legit, Tony's seems more realistic

2007-06-23 14:30:59
7.   Eric Enders
Tonight is Matt Kemp bobblehead night in Florida. (Jacksonville, not St. Pete.)They also had a James Loney bobblehead night a few weeks ago. That one's now selling for $25 on eBay.
2007-06-23 14:51:53
8.   Andrew Shimmin
Is Bochey really tall, or are the umps in SF just midgets?
2007-06-23 14:58:18
9.   Jon Weisman
Nomar has the flu, Jackson now says. Loney's in.
2007-06-23 14:58:55
10.   Bob Timmermann
Bruce Bochy is 6'4".

You do the math.

2007-06-23 15:00:12
11.   dkminnick
Two of Juan Pierre's heads could fit inside Bochy's head.
2007-06-23 15:01:56
12.   Bluebleeder87

Kemps bobblehead looks a lot like Roy Campinella, with the 50's stash an all.

2007-06-23 15:03:16
13.   Greg Brock
Let's just hope its a 24 hour flu, and not the 24 month kind.

Wait, strike that. Reverse it.

2007-06-23 15:05:24
14.   tethier
Tony Jackson's lineup now agrees with ITD. Nomar came to the ballpark with the flu and was scratched.

If Loney does well against a tough lefthander like Kazmir, is there any reason to sit him in the next few games?

2007-06-23 15:05:31
15.   The Mootz
According to the LA Times, the Dodgers will be wearing their mid-1950's flannel jerseys tonight in tribute of Don Zimmer's 58 years in baseball.

Wearing flannel while you're in Florida is always a good idea.

2007-06-23 15:06:32
16.   Bob Timmermann
My recent flu (Wednesday) lasted about 24 hours. Or at least the worst part of it.
2007-06-23 15:06:35
17.   Bluebleeder87
Nate have any info. on this Jonathan Sanchez kid? looks like he can bring the heat out of the left side, should we worry about him?
2007-06-23 15:12:10
18.   Bob Timmermann
They are indoors though.

And will they really be wool flannel or just "flannel-looking?"

2007-06-23 15:12:27
19.   ToyCannon
That was one of Malones few moves I had no disdain over. Carlos had been awesome in Sept and had been a decent pitcher before that. 3 year deal for a 27 old with a solid ERA but a terrible dominance. That one didn't work out but I never gave Malone grief over it. Perez was alot of fun in Sept of 1998. Remember when Bergeron was going to be the next Brett Butler.
2007-06-23 15:15:29
20.   ToyCannon
One way to get Nomar to waive his no - trade is to not play him regularly. NY beckons. I'd take any one of 6 AA-A NY pitchers. They are kind of loaded these days with minor league pitching prospects.
2007-06-23 15:21:58
21.   jasonungar07
I kinda miss Gonzo now, where two months ago I wasn't impressed at all. Cool though that the kids are all in there. What about a move to 3b for Nomar? Could we re-vist that? I mean 3b may not be totally decided (in the way dodgers do things) for another 1 1/2 years so why not throw Nomar over there. Everyone knows we got our first baseman.
2007-06-23 15:23:53
22.   Gen3Blue
I have to admit that when I first heard about the Brooklyn/Don Zimmer retro night I thought it was a spoof. Some regular on DT detailed it a few days ago, mentioning old Brooklyn uniforms, old Florida minor league uniforms and Zimmer bobblehead dolls. I thought he was joking, not realizing the connections between the minor leagues, or Zim's work for TB. Whoever posted that, and I haven't found it--didn't you overdue the Bobbleheads somehow . I was about to repond "Right, and Campy and Newk are going to have a race in the outfield!

I was that sure it was a spoof.

2007-06-23 15:28:00
23.   Bluebleeder87

to answer my own question, i just checked his Bio & career highlights, his #'s look pretty impressive but it looks like he struggled his 1st big league year.

2007-06-23 15:36:45
24.   overkill94
What's the cycle alert at for Lofton?
2007-06-23 15:41:02
25.   Bob Timmermann
Yellow alert for Lofton.
2007-06-23 15:41:06
26.   natepurcell
kazmir's pretty good but hes been inconsistent this year. Dodgers just have to make kazmir throw strikes and dont chase that slider!
2007-06-23 15:41:11
27.   Eric Enders
18 Apparently they are really flannel. Randy Wolf tried one on and, in one of the papers this morning, was complaining about having to play in it.
2007-06-23 15:54:10
28.   Andrew Shimmin
Baseball America rated Sancehz second overall and best changeup in the Giants organization, coming into the year.
2007-06-23 15:54:29
29.   Bob Timmermann
I'm putting the Lofton Cycle Alert back at Condition Green.
2007-06-23 16:01:26
30.   Lexinthedena
Love today's lineup...but think that Gonzo should DH again the hot hand...
2007-06-23 16:03:24
31.   Bluebleeder87

i'm wondering if they'll ease him into the rotation or if they'll use him exclusively out of the pen, he was a starter down in the minors.

2007-06-23 16:04:44
32.   Marty
If Wolf tanks and blames the uniforms I'll be...disappointed.
2007-06-23 16:06:18
33.   Andrew Shimmin
I like DHing Saenz. But I can see a really easy way to get LuGo into this lineup, and still keep Saenz.
2007-06-23 16:06:26
34.   Sam in SC
we get steiner and lyons tonight on extra innings.

this should be a treat.

2007-06-23 16:07:03
35.   natepurcell
so kershaw is pitching tonight and colletti is there to watch him.
2007-06-23 16:08:17
36.   Bluebleeder87

i've heard on documentaries that those flannel unis were absolute hell when they were all sweaty cause they weighed 5,10 pounds more.

2007-06-23 16:09:03
37.   Eric Enders
35 When he leaves Michigan for the Futures Game, I'd guess there's a good chance he doesn't go back.
2007-06-23 16:10:06
38.   Bob Timmermann
The Devil Rays radio network is using "It's Beautiful Day for a Ballgame" as its leadin and has a 1950s-style lead-in and is welcoming to people to "The St. Petersburg Saints Radio Network."
2007-06-23 16:11:17
39.   Sam in SC
38 - they often take that whole "throwback" thing too far.
2007-06-23 16:11:54
40.   Sam in SC
jeez. that was up around his eyes on strike three.
2007-06-23 16:12:09
41.   natepurcell

most likely.

2007-06-23 16:12:20
42.   Eric Enders
39 Hey, if it means they play like a minor league team, I got no complaints.
2007-06-23 16:12:38
43.   Pepperdine

What do you think of Brett Smith?

2007-06-23 16:12:38
44.   alex 7
Other than to convince himself he can trade him, it sure seems odd to have Colleti taking a peek at Kershaw this early in Kershaw's career. Perhaps Colleti feels that without a playoff push this season, he likely won't be around as Dodgers GM by the time Kershaw's ready to contribute.
2007-06-23 16:12:53
45.   overkill94
These uniforms are pretty hideous
2007-06-23 16:13:17
46.   Gen3Blue
35 Is Colletti maybe hiding from some Vets he isn't playing tonight.
2007-06-23 16:13:55
47.   Sam in SC
who is that guy screaming? OMG! where are the ushers? that guy has miller lite poisoning.
2007-06-23 16:14:12
48.   Marty
I'm missing most of the game because I have to go to a baby shower. Since when have baby showers gone co-ed? Luckily there will be booze there.
2007-06-23 16:15:04
49.   overkill94
44 What's odd about getting a look at your top prospect?
2007-06-23 16:15:46
50.   Lexinthedena
45-They look pretty sharp to me.....
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2007-06-23 16:15:58
51.   Sam in SC
48 - guys don't go to showers. jus' sayin' . . .
2007-06-23 16:16:30
52.   natepurcell

I dont think the dodger scouts would let colletti trade kershaw without a mutiny.

2007-06-23 16:17:36
53.   natepurcell
Kent looks funny with the knee high pant legs.
2007-06-23 16:18:03
54.   Sam in SC
52 - colletti is on the record saying that he knows how valuable the kids are, and that he won't trade them.
2007-06-23 16:18:13
55.   Bluebleeder87
i'm feeling the Brooklyn hat, really cool.
2007-06-23 16:18:58
56.   Who Is Karim Garcia
The Unis are really sweet.
2007-06-23 16:19:00
57.   natepurcell
hmmm, mattingly and kershaw are roommates.
2007-06-23 16:19:36
58.   Greg Brock
I like both unis. But I'm a sucker for the baggie uni/high leggings look.

Certain players excepted.

2007-06-23 16:21:04
59.   Bob Timmermann
I went to one baby shower in my life.

I won all the games.

I'm very competitive at baby shower games.

2007-06-23 16:21:15
60.   Greg Brock
First Innings:Wolf::Rakes:Sideshow Bob
2007-06-23 16:21:24
61.   overkill94
Stupid uniforms...
2007-06-23 16:21:27
62.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Get a grip, Charlie.
2007-06-23 16:21:38
63.   Sam in SC
well, that didn't take long.

I hope wolf gets out of the first without too much damage.

2007-06-23 16:22:03
64.   alex 7
One thing to look at prospects that could possibly help your team this season. But to look at a guy two years away just sounds like a high school varsity coach checking out the stud kid at the local elementary school. Other than for the pleasure of watching, I'm not sure what the point is.
2007-06-23 16:22:15
65.   Bob Timmermann
Aki's swing is so nice
And the rum is good
Anytime of year.
2007-06-23 16:22:21
66.   natepurcell
apparently kershaw throwing heat. stadium gun had him at 97 and 100 in the first inning.

probably wrong.

2007-06-23 16:22:30
67.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I have 3 sisters so i've been to quite a few. I dominate. I'm a legend.
2007-06-23 16:22:44
68.   Marty
Stupid uniforms.
2007-06-23 16:22:48
69.   MMSMikey
put an L screen out there.
2007-06-23 16:23:20
70.   Sam in SC
why did I get such a thrill because of the strong throw from right?
2007-06-23 16:23:48
71.   overkill94
I was involved in one baby shower while I was interning one summer. The only game I remember was "anagrammed baby words" and I dominated. Unfortunately, the prize was a bunch of foofy stuff like potpourri and soaps.
2007-06-23 16:24:06
72.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Oh, the humanity.
2007-06-23 16:24:29
73.   fanerman
It's the uniform's fault.
2007-06-23 16:24:32
74.   natepurcell

mattingly on kershaw...

"If you were a girl, you'd definitely want to bring him home to your parents," Mattingly said. "I mean, I've never seen the kid be mean to anybody in my life. He doesn't get mad that often. He doesn't cuss at all. Doesn't even drink sodas. I mean, he's just perfect."

2007-06-23 16:25:02
75.   overkill94
65 That is not in the form of a traditional haiku
2007-06-23 16:25:15
76.   lab rat
We can kill this TB rally with a home run.
2007-06-23 16:25:15
77.   Sam in SC
71 - what the heck is the purpose for potpourri, anyway?

I just don't get it.

2007-06-23 16:25:23
78.   Who Is Karim Garcia

Same reason I thought Kemp was gonna nail Wiggington at home.

2007-06-23 16:26:04
79.   Lexinthedena
74-Lasorda hates guys like that...
2007-06-23 16:26:07
80.   overkill94
74 Sounds like Preston and Clayton might be a little too close
2007-06-23 16:27:14
81.   Sam in SC
78 - it's the "pierre effect". we expect all of the dodger outfielders to roll them back into the infield.
2007-06-23 16:27:41
82.   Who Is Karim Garcia
In the distance you can hear the Tomdrickson awakening in anticipation of playing time.
2007-06-23 16:28:19
83.   Marty
I'm leaving the shower early however to go to another friend's birthday dinner at Ruth's Chris. So I got that going for me.
2007-06-23 16:29:12
84.   Greg Brock
83 Which is nice.

Mmmmmmm...Ruth's Chris

2007-06-23 16:29:17
85.   MMSMikey
as far as left handed pitchers go, wolf has a very below average pickoff move.
2007-06-23 16:29:26
86.   natepurcell
Los Angeles fans from across the country -- people who may actually bleed Dodger blue -- predict on Internet message boards when Kershaw will be promoted out of Midland and post worried comments that the young southpaw has suffered an injury when he misses a start.\

that writer knows about us!

2007-06-23 16:29:45
87.   Vishal
why is it that wolf keeps getting lit up in the 1st inning?
2007-06-23 16:31:18
88.   Andrew Shimmin
83- Just don't have too many cosmopolitans at the shower.
2007-06-23 16:31:19
89.   lab rat
87 -- The Tom Glavine Effect
2007-06-23 16:31:57
90.   Bluebleeder87

platonic pimping by Mattingly.

2007-06-23 16:32:06
91.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Carlos Peña = the AL Adrian Gonzalez
2007-06-23 16:32:54
92.   Sam in SC
87 - you would think that another 30 pitches in the bullpen would do it, wouldn't you?
2007-06-23 16:33:06
93.   Who Is Karim Garcia
2007-06-23 16:33:14
94.   MMSMikey
wow, he was out!
2007-06-23 16:33:58
95.   Sam in SC
you don't get any more out than that. martin nailed him.
2007-06-23 16:34:10
96.   Jon Weisman
If you think Colletti going to see Kershaw play means he will be traded, that's serious paranoia.
2007-06-23 16:34:27
97.   JoeyP
Crawford should be out based on principal.
That was really stupid to steal 3b with 2 out.
2007-06-23 16:35:14
98.   Sam in SC
steiner couldn't have put it any better.

"it could have been worse".

2007-06-23 16:35:24
99.   Bluebleeder87
2 runs allowed by Wolf doesn't seem all that bad.
2007-06-23 16:35:26
100.   MMSMikey
29 pitches.
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2007-06-23 16:36:08
101.   Bob Timmermann
I don't think Carl Crawford's high school principal has any say in the matter.
2007-06-23 16:36:22
102.   Lexinthedena
That call at third base was laughable!...HA!
2007-06-23 16:36:37
103.   Sam in SC
96. but we can be forgiven for being a tad paranoid, Jon. it's not like dumber things have never happened over the past few years.
2007-06-23 16:37:19
104.   underdog
Give the D-Rays announcers credit for saying they got a break on that safe call, that he looked out. Not too homer-ish.

Well, I just got back from teaching scriptwriting to 12 year olds (they are probably already better than whoever wrote Fantastic Four) and came expecting to see the usual shaky first for Wolf. Lo! and behold.

2007-06-23 16:37:19
105.   JoeyP
His principal didnt teach him the correct principles of baseball.
2007-06-23 16:37:24
106.   Lexinthedena
Old School it...
2007-06-23 16:37:48
107.   Sam in SC
103 - please forgive the bizarre verb tenses in my last post.


2007-06-23 16:38:16
108.   Frip
I just grilled such a fine burger that it actually raised my self esteem. Not cooking esteem, but me-as-a-person esteem.

Also, been moving away from typical ketchup-mayo combo, and relying solely on mustard.

2007-06-23 16:38:39
109.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I still think that Steve Phillips thought he was getting Carlos Zambrano.
2007-06-23 16:38:42
110.   Andrew Shimmin
96- Pff, that's nothing. I think Colletti is using nanotechnology to sap Nomar's power, so that Nomar'll be more like his favorite player, Juan Pierre.
2007-06-23 16:39:04
111.   Bob Timmermann
Saenz is the first NL DH to reach base safely today.
2007-06-23 16:39:30
112.   Greg Brock
109 Jim Duquette.
2007-06-23 16:39:53
113.   Lexinthedena
Matt Stairs went four for five with a home run today....
2007-06-23 16:40:44
114.   MMSMikey
is that nori nakamura?
2007-06-23 16:40:53
115.   Andrew Shimmin
Bob's hero proves to be a nuisance.
2007-06-23 16:41:20
116.   Greg Brock
That trade is actually on Peterson, who loved Zambrano and didn't think much of Kazmir's mechanics. Peterson thought he could "fix" Zambrano in "fifteen minutes."

Um, no, Rick.

2007-06-23 16:41:22
117.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Shades of Norihiro Nakamura.
2007-06-23 16:41:26
118.   Sam in SC
I think ned colletti killed jimmy hoffa.
2007-06-23 16:41:47
119.   underdog
Blast that Iwamura!
2007-06-23 16:41:57
120.   Bob Timmermann
Actually Todd Helton got a walk today so Saenz is the second NL DH to get on base.
2007-06-23 16:42:26
121.   overkill94
Even when these kids make outs they hit it hard
2007-06-23 16:43:54
122.   Jon Weisman
BABIP gods strike back at Loney and Kemp.
2007-06-23 16:44:35
123.   JoeyP
Cantu and Gomes both had really good starts to their careers, then went straight down since.
2007-06-23 16:46:19
124.   Lexinthedena
121-And they both went the opposite way...
2007-06-23 16:46:28
125.   Sam in SC
it's all my fault. I just realized that I was wearing the "bad luck" dodger cap. I have rectified that situation.

my apologies.

2007-06-23 16:46:42
126.   MMSMikey
lets go throw strikes.
2007-06-23 16:47:12
127.   Lexinthedena
Randy's already blaming the uni's....check the body language.....
2007-06-23 16:47:47
128.   Frip
The Rays and Marlins must be the quietest fans in baseball. This game is chess match quiet. Widow in an empty house quiet.
2007-06-23 16:48:03
129.   JoeyP
I doubt Navarro will beat out many bunts.
2007-06-23 16:48:05
130.   Sam in SC
don't we wish we still had depod's kid, navarro, still catching?
2007-06-23 16:48:16
131.   D4P
Navarro is batting 9th. And bunting. And OPSing .480.


2007-06-23 16:48:17
132.   Who Is Karim Garcia
My two favorite things about Dioner...

1. I used to call him Dion.
2. He isn't Juan Pierre.

2007-06-23 16:49:32
133.   JoeyP
Loney that wasnt graceful but effective.
2007-06-23 16:49:54
134.   Sam in SC
a very well turned "wrong way double play".
2007-06-23 16:50:05
135.   Doctor

3. He isn't a Dodger anymore, thank goodness.

2007-06-23 16:50:42
136.   underdog
Loney made that look more spectacular than it was, but nice job staying with it - those dome pop ups are hard to track. And then a nicely turned double play. So, basically, I like having Loney down there at first, what about you?
2007-06-23 16:50:48
137.   Andrew Shimmin
I'd trade Hendrickson back for Navarro in a heart beat.
2007-06-23 16:51:19
138.   natepurcell
kershaw needs to stop with the walks, they are annoying me.
2007-06-23 16:51:26
139.   Doctor

So we could DFA him?

2007-06-23 16:51:28
140.   JoeyP
135--Wouldnt you rather have Dioner than Mike Lieberthal as a backup though?
2007-06-23 16:51:37
141.   Bluebleeder87

Gomes has "gained a few" i've noticed, Cantu quoting Steiner is the odd mad out.

2007-06-23 16:52:02
142.   Andrew Shimmin
139- He has options.
2007-06-23 16:52:21
143.   Sam in SC
13 - I really didn't have a problem with nomar's defense. as a shortstop, he always seemed to do a pretty good job.

it's his SLG that sucked.

2007-06-23 16:52:29
144.   Greg Brock
136 Tropicana has one of those bad roofs. Not Metrodome bad, but bad. And then there are the catwalks that the ball hits sometimes.

Great Job, stadium designers.

2007-06-23 16:52:42
145.   JoeyP
Abreu just used his butt rather effectively.
2007-06-23 16:53:13
146.   natepurcell

eh, its actually a close call. probably not.

2007-06-23 16:53:23
147.   Sam in SC
137 - didn't we lose chuck tiffany in that trade, also?
2007-06-23 16:53:53
148.   Greg Brock
We've talked about this, Lyons. A left handed catcher would be murdered on plays at the plate.
2007-06-23 16:53:59
149.   StolenMonkey86
147 - Only if Edwin Jackson never gets better and Chuck Tiffany ends up worse
2007-06-23 16:54:21
150.   Andrew Shimmin
Navarro/Seo for Hendrickson/Hall.
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2007-06-23 16:54:29
151.   JoeyP
146--So you believe Lieberthal can play everyday if Russ Martin gets hurt? That he can play better defense and hold up for an extended period of time?

I doubt it.
Plus Dioner's makes the league minimum.

2007-06-23 16:55:04
152.   Bob Timmermann
The Rays announcers say the Dodgers uniforms are "flannel-like." They speak my language!
2007-06-23 16:55:17
153.   Sam in SC
juan hits into yet another FC.
2007-06-23 16:55:46
154.   natepurcell
i believe he can play better defense then navarro. i also think he could hit better then how navarro has hit this year.
2007-06-23 16:56:15
155.   D4P
I guess when Ned made his infamous "Juan Pierre gets on base an awful lot" comment, he was including force outs.
2007-06-23 16:56:43
156.   Andrew Shimmin
I'd rather have Lieberthal playing every day than Dioner. But I'd rather have Dioner than Hendrickson. Because it's better when the worst player on the team is the back up catcher, than when it's a pitcher who sometimes winds up in games that haven't been decided.
2007-06-23 16:56:51
157.   Who Is Karim Garcia
What is the record for most force out in a year?

Juanito wants it, bad.

2007-06-23 16:57:13
158.   Frip
The popup must be the lamest play in sports.
2007-06-23 16:57:41
159.   Sam in SC
dioner had huge problems managing his pitchers. and despite his hype, he never seemed to be a very good defensive catcher.
2007-06-23 16:57:44
160.   MMSMikey
navarro was brutal on defense when he was with the dodgers. he cost them a game in houston early in the year when a brad penny fastball just popped out of his glove allowing runners to advance.
2007-06-23 16:57:50
161.   JoeyP
It'd be nice if Lieberthal played more to get an indication as to what he's capable of at this point of his career. I just assumed he didnt play much bc he cant.
2007-06-23 16:58:16
162.   Doctor

I think Liberthal is a much, much better player even at this stage. I really dissliked every aspect of Navarro's game-especially defense.
Its going to be a tough year for him to get going the way Russle plays every day, but thats OK.

2007-06-23 16:59:12
163.   Andrew Shimmin
159- Is there really a way to manage Scott Erickson effectively.
2007-06-23 16:59:59
164.   MMSMikey
163 - wasnt jason phillips in charge of handling ekickson?
2007-06-23 17:01:30
165.   Who Is Karim Garcia

ask lisa guerrero

2007-06-23 17:02:10
166.   underdog
I agree with Doc, I'd take Lieberthal over Dioner even now, I think he's one of the better backups in the league, though whether he's capable of being a starter at this point is less certain. With Russell, though, he won't get much PT and we'll get rather spoiled.
2007-06-23 17:02:22
167.   Frip
Navarro always looks slightly scared.
2007-06-23 17:02:35
168.   Gen3Blue
Back east I went and ate dinner after the opening of TB's first inning. This may not bare out statistically, but it seems most of our games start out with very low scores, or with us down 2 to four runs after two innings. This is not so bad, considering our record. Returning, I was pleased to see we are only down two. This is a rather strange thing to feel good about, isn't it.
We really seem to have bad luck, and if Wolf doesn't improve, we will be down 2 for 2 for pitchers. which is always a 50/50 crapshoot.(including Schmidt)
2007-06-23 17:02:55
169.   Blue in Beantown
Who did we get in the Jackson/Tiffany trade? Was that for Danys Baez?
2007-06-23 17:03:00
170.   Andrew Shimmin
162- I don't really understand that. He wasn't fantastic, and he very likely won't ever be, but his offensive numbers were ok for a catcher. He didn't strike out too much, he knew how to work a walk. His batting average was decent. His defense always seemed average to me, nothing special, but nothing to get too worked up over.

I'm sure he benefited, in my mind, by proximity to the damnable Phillips, but still. Why would you dislike every aspect of his game?

2007-06-23 17:03:45
171.   Who Is Karim Garcia

Allstar Lance Carter

2007-06-23 17:03:52
172.   Andrew Shimmin
169- Baez and Lance Carter.
2007-06-23 17:04:00
173.   Sam in SC
165. I never hear anything she says, for some reason.
2007-06-23 17:05:18
174.   Bluebleeder87
Gomes still has that really nice swing & power i'd still handle him with caution.
2007-06-23 17:05:33
175.   D4P
Tampa Bay is not nearly as interesting without Upton and Dukes.

"Hey Tampa: Put Up(ton) your Dukes...!"

2007-06-23 17:06:14
176.   Blue in Beantown
171 172 Ah, right. Thank goodness we stumbled onto Saito!
2007-06-23 17:06:25
177.   JoeyP
Navarro was 21yrs old in 2005.
He put up .273/.354/.375 as a catcher in 176Abs.

Thats a pretty good line for a catcher, let alone one that was only 21.

2007-06-23 17:06:58
178.   lab rat
I quite like the foam finger promo.
2007-06-23 17:08:17
179.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Roger Craig?
2007-06-23 17:09:27
180.   MMSMikey
kent 2 for 2 on check swings. heres an idea, dont swing.
2007-06-23 17:09:38
181.   overkill94
Looks like we were right about the "oldest duo to hit back-to-back triples" record
2007-06-23 17:09:45
182.   Bluebleeder87
what was Tropicana field before?? was in a multi-functional type stadium?
2007-06-23 17:10:06
183.   Gen3Blue
Good for Jeff, the way to have any chance with Kazmir tonight is to get his pitch count up.
2007-06-23 17:10:08
184.   Sam in SC
that drunk guy is yelling again.
2007-06-23 17:10:15
185.   Gen3Blue
Good for Jeff, the way to have any chance with Kazmir tonight is to get his pitch count up.
2007-06-23 17:10:23
186.   overkill94
178 I like the song, apparently it's by a group named The Boy Least Likely To and it's called "Be Gentle With Me"
2007-06-23 17:10:41
187.   Gen3Blue
Sorry sorry
2007-06-23 17:11:01
188.   Greg Brock
182 They built it to lure a team to Tampa/St. Pete. They almost got the Giants.
2007-06-23 17:11:36
189.   Who Is Karim Garcia

Seen them live.. they rock if you are into the indie pop.

2007-06-23 17:11:42
190.   dzzrtRatt
The Rays need to stay with these St. Pete uniforms if they ever want to compete in a division with the Red Sox and Yankees.
2007-06-23 17:11:53
191.   Bluebleeder87
we really need to score some runs.
2007-06-23 17:12:20
192.   JoeyP
Olmedo walked 14 times all of 2006.
He's walked 13 times already in 2007.
2007-06-23 17:12:21
193.   Mark Joseph
Howdy all; just logged on, and I have three "Bob will know the answer to these" questions:

1) When was the last time (before this game) that the two cleanup hitters in the starting lineup were the two second basemen? And when was the last time it happened, and Kent wasn't one of them?

2) (In honor of the Braves' recent "accomplishment") When was the time the Dodgers were shut out three games in a row? And when they turned in three shutouts in a row?

3) What is Randy Wolf's ERA in the first inning this year? And did he have this problem in the past?

2007-06-23 17:12:24
194.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Olmedo doesnt rock the socks
2007-06-23 17:12:40
195.   lab rat
186 -- "Hugging My Grudge" is also good, off the same album.
2007-06-23 17:13:14
196.   Bob Timmermann
They have played some NCAA basketball tournament games at Tropicana Field. I recall UCLA losing to Kentucky one year there. I think that was the year Baron Davis blew out his knee the round before against Michigan.
2007-06-23 17:13:43
197.   Doctor

To me he looked weak and slow on defense, and I don't think you will often see players keep high walk rates up if they have Navarro's lack of power. Eventually pitchers will give him the jaun pierre treatment and refuse to walk him, based on not being worried about the long ball. I guess he was an ok avg/obp catcher, just seemed really over hyped VS what he actually was. Overall, I see him as lass valuable than Hendrickson as a so-so middle reliever.

2007-06-23 17:14:02
198.   Bluebleeder87

well considering the nastyness of candlestick i understand the Giants trying to find a new home.

2007-06-23 17:14:13
199.   Andrew Shimmin
Olmedo's clogging all the bases.
2007-06-23 17:14:17
200.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Loney and Kemp should never sit again. Ever. E.V.E.R.
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2007-06-23 17:14:37
201.   underdog
God, Olmedo's slow.

Love seeing the Loney-Kemp 1-2 punch though.

2007-06-23 17:14:51
202.   JoeyP
Kemp is the real deal.
2007-06-23 17:15:27
203.   Gen3Blue
Kazmir is over 50 pitches, but they will let him go 120.
Loney's first AB should of been a hit. This one---eh. But he could have two while no one else has any. Gee Loney and Kemp can hit, there must be some reason we don't play them.
2007-06-23 17:15:28
204.   StolenMonkey86
Olmedo not running on Carl Crawford's arm is wise. Heck, I don't know if I'd want Olmedo to run on Luis Gonzalez.
2007-06-23 17:15:47
205.   underdog
Argh. I want this Yanks-Giants game to end. I have to drive south on the 101 from SF soon and will probably sit in post-game traffic now. SIGH.
2007-06-23 17:15:53
206.   overkill94
Ugh, not a good showing at the plate today for Ethier
2007-06-23 17:15:53
207.   Greg Brock
198 And the Rays won't be leaving anytime soon. There is talk of doing some renovations, but nothing drastic, and the team has an obligation that lasts for another 19 years or so.

New ownership has said they are not actively looking toward a new stadium.

2007-06-23 17:15:57
208.   MMSMikey
jesus andre. nice taylor made DP
2007-06-23 17:16:10
209.   lab rat
Clemens warming in the 13th at SF.
2007-06-23 17:16:18
210.   underdog
Arrrgh, Raffy.

Three baserunners and no runs, that's... poopy.

2007-06-23 17:16:41
211.   natepurcell
wow, loons defense is pretty bad.
2007-06-23 17:16:52
212.   Bob Timmermann
I can only answer #2 quickly.

The Dodgers were shut out three straight times in 1966. April 23 and 24 at Chicago and then on April 25 at home against the Cardinals by Larry Jaster who shut out the Dodgers five times that season.

2007-06-23 17:16:57
213.   JoeyP
Roger Clemens is warming up in the Yankees bullpen.

Looks like he's going to pitch the bottom of the 14th if it gets that far.

2007-06-23 17:17:03
214.   underdog
(I meant Andre, not Raffy.)
2007-06-23 17:17:46
215.   Blue in Beantown
This is a few days old now, but have we already discussed Little's quote from Thursday? "You wonder what would have happened if had ball just gone over the fence"
2007-06-23 17:17:47
216.   Sam in SC
that GiDP was almost karros-esque.
2007-06-23 17:18:12
217.   natepurcell
kershaw so far

5IP 4H 2R 0ER 2bb 7k

2007-06-23 17:18:42
218.   Bluebleeder87
man, that was a golden opportunity wasted, but it looks like we're inching closer by the innings.
2007-06-23 17:19:36
219.   JoeyP
Thats 1ER in Kershaw's last 35ip.
2007-06-23 17:19:58
220.   Gen3Blue
Who is Karim Garcia really? this virtual/spirit/wisp Outfielder who was going to save the D's.

Was 189 for me, and if so which group?

2007-06-23 17:19:58
221.   overkill94
189 195 I'm downloading the album right now. I'm starting to get into some twee lately (Of Montreal is the main one).
2007-06-23 17:21:07
223.   Frip

I don't think I've ever heard a heckler with the maniacal energy and sheer verbiage of that guy. I don't think he's drunk. Perhaps someone droped a handful of amphetamines in his Coke.

2007-06-23 17:21:18
224.   dzzrtRatt
198 As I recall, the Giants going to Tampa Bay was a done deal. Peter Magowen slipped in after the previous owner had made an agreement.
2007-06-23 17:22:11
225.   Lexinthedena
Amphetamines in his coke?.....that's funny.....
2007-06-23 17:22:13
226.   StolenMonkey86
wow, Wolf came into the game with a .390 BABIP on the month
2007-06-23 17:22:44
227.   underdog
Cantu barata nikto.
2007-06-23 17:23:07
228.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Gen3Blue, sorry i meant to quote another post. "The Boy Least Likely To."

And yes, my name refers to THAT Karim Garcia... specifically Pedro Martinez ranting about him after Karim tried taking him on.

2007-06-23 17:23:32
229.   Bob Timmermann
An antitrust exemption means that there is no such thing as a "done deal."
2007-06-23 17:24:01
230.   Bluebleeder87
i'm thinking if we get to Kazmir it will be in this inning or next inning.
2007-06-23 17:24:32
231.   Blue in Beantown
Wolf settling in nicely now
2007-06-23 17:25:02
232.   lab rat
The problem with "of Montreal" [of athens, ga] is that I can't listen to their stuff anymore without thinking of Outback Steakhouse and those hellacious ads.
2007-06-23 17:25:10
233.   Sam in SC
223 _ I am just glad someone else heard him. I thought it may have been "the voices" again.
2007-06-23 17:25:21
234.   Bob Timmermann
Older Dodger fans might remember that the 1962 Dodgers were shutout in Games 161 and 162 at home against the Cardinals and then in Game 163 at Candlestick Park.

They scored 8 in Game 164 and 4 in Game 165.

4 was the wrong number in that game.

2007-06-23 17:26:05
235.   lab rat
Does Kazmir realize how difficult it is to walk Tony Abreu?
2007-06-23 17:26:23
236.   overkill94
232 I like both versions :)
2007-06-23 17:26:26
237.   JoeyP
Kazmir is really wild to walk Abreu on 4 pitches.
2007-06-23 17:26:27
238.   MMSMikey
c'mon raffy.
2007-06-23 17:26:30
239.   Lexinthedena
Furcal goes yard here...
2007-06-23 17:26:43
240.   natepurcell

i did not have a good time when i went to an of montreal show 2 years ago.

2007-06-23 17:26:51
241.   Sam in SC
224. I was living in sarasota when that all happened. the people in tampa were REALLY angry.
2007-06-23 17:27:08
242.   Bluebleeder87
well the Padres do a good job of being rivals so they wouldn't be missed much. the Giants that is.
2007-06-23 17:27:30
243.   overkill94
I wonder if Raffy's right-handed swing is a bit rusty after not facing a lefty in such a long time
2007-06-23 17:27:35
244.   Sam in SC
239 - at 0-2, he is going about it the wrong way.
2007-06-23 17:27:55
245.   underdog
232 I love Of Montreal, too. (Wait, they did an Outback ad? I missed that, fortunately.)

Ever hear the dear departed Olivia Tremor Control?

Vizquel up with a runner at 2nd in the 13th...

2007-06-23 17:28:18
246.   Bob Timmermann
Despite San Diego winning the division the past two years, I don't see them ever supplanting the Giants as the Dodgers principal rival.
2007-06-23 17:28:58
247.   Gen3Blue
Yeah, make him throw.
2007-06-23 17:29:51
248.   Sam in SC
(holding my head)
2007-06-23 17:29:57
249.   MMSMikey
another unproductive out. here comes the force out.
2007-06-23 17:31:03
250.   lab rat
245 -- Yes. [disclaimer: I'm from GA]. Part of the 40-Watt gang.
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2007-06-23 17:31:12
251.   JoeyP
Vizquel dove head 1st into first base.
Dont runners know that it doesnt make you get to the bag any faster?
2007-06-23 17:31:19
252.   bhsportsguy
249 Mikey happily is wrong.
2007-06-23 17:31:24
253.   Lexinthedena i was wrong....
2007-06-23 17:31:40
254.   MMSMikey
2007-06-23 17:31:51
255.   Bluebleeder87

yeah, your right they don't have a good farm system.

2007-06-23 17:31:55
256.   Sam in SC
get behind in the count to martin, and you are in trouble.
2007-06-23 17:31:57
257.   overkill94
245 "Let's go Outback tonight..."

they use the music from "wraith pinned to the mist and other games" off Sunlandic Twins and insert their own lyrics

2007-06-23 17:31:59
258.   JoeyP
Giants win on a bloop.
2007-06-23 17:32:56
259.   overkill94
251 It increases your "Gamer" rating though
2007-06-23 17:33:01
260.   underdog
The Giants win on a blooper. Well, at least the traffic will diffuse for a bit before I have to go sit in it.
2007-06-23 17:33:18
261.   MMSMikey
2007-06-23 17:33:37
262.   Lexinthedena
Russ should have sat today....
2007-06-23 17:33:37
263.   natepurcell

6IP 4H 2R 0ER 2bb 9K

2007-06-23 17:33:39
264.   lab rat
I swear that turf if crushed velour.
2007-06-23 17:34:17
265.   JoeyP
Martin drops the "F" bomb everytime he pops up. And the game mic ALWAYS picks it up.
2007-06-23 17:34:57
266.   Who Is Karim Garcia

i was thinking pool table felt.

2007-06-23 17:34:57
267.   Gen3Blue
228 I don't remember that but I would love to know about it. I seem to recall Karim was at a time whem we had almost no prospects, very common in the 90's and after Lasorda got control somehow! We seemed to get rid of Lilly, Reyes and Konerko before I even knew it. But I wasn't paying attention in those days. I know who got hits today LONEY and KEMP, in case the organization is watching.
2007-06-23 17:35:07
268.   underdog
Darn that Martin, what a choker he is! ;-)

Oh, there's crazy loud guy again. Jeff Kent's his favorite, apparently.

2007-06-23 17:35:12
269.   natepurcell
i think kershaw has a 26inning earned run streak or something.
2007-06-23 17:35:17
270.   Bob Timmermann
Kent and Durham both started at second and batted cleanup last on April 8.
2007-06-23 17:35:26
271.   D4P
I don't remember ever having seen Gameday say "infield fly rule"
2007-06-23 17:35:30
272.   Michael D
Why don't they kick out the guy who keeps yelling, or do they let him stay because he's the only guy they can get to show up on a regular basis?
2007-06-23 17:35:46
273.   overkill94
Kent looks really tentative at the plate now. He's terrified of getting another one of those sliders.
2007-06-23 17:36:30
274.   Sam in SC
268. I am trying very hard to figure out what he is saying . . . can you figure it out?
2007-06-23 17:36:55
275.   StolenMonkey86
heh, Kent with an infield hit
2007-06-23 17:37:24
276.   Who Is Karim Garcia

"García is remembered for an incident in the 2003 ALCS at Fenway Park, when he jumped into the bullpen to assist Yankees teammate Jeff Nelson in a fight with a groundskeeper. García is also known for a conflict with Boston Red Sox pitcher Pedro Martínez during the same series because of a pitch that hit Garcia in the back. Martínez's post-game response of "Who is Karim García?" became a catch phrase for Red Sox fans during this series"

2007-06-23 17:37:29
277.   overkill94
I hope Olmedo's feeling sexy today
2007-06-23 17:37:30
278.   JoeyP
Bases Loaded two innings in a row.
Need a hit from the Killer Tomato.

Or a walk will do too.

2007-06-23 17:37:42
279.   Sam in SC
babes loaded futility, anyone?
2007-06-23 17:37:53
280.   Lexinthedena
272-It's like Clipper Darryl.....If you ever go to a Clips game, they give this loud guy all this attention on the jumbo tron because they're so happy to have a recognizable "fan"...
2007-06-23 17:38:07
281.   Bob Timmermann
The Happy Heckler has the official seal of the team behind it seems:

2007-06-23 17:38:25
282.   underdog
How about another walk, Tomato?
2007-06-23 17:38:32
283.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Iosogna... did he toss Gagne in Cincinatti a few years back?
2007-06-23 17:39:24
284.   Who Is Karim Garcia

Sam, can you point me towards the loaded babes?

2007-06-23 17:39:36
285.   underdog
That strike was so clearly low... but whatever.
2007-06-23 17:39:37
286.   Lexinthedena
283-That's of my least favorite umps.....consistently bad...
2007-06-23 17:39:38
287.   JoeyP
Aw, that was ball 3.
Bad call!
2007-06-23 17:40:10
288.   Bluebleeder87
well the ump isn't cooperating here. that was low.
2007-06-23 17:40:14
289.   Gen3Blue
276 Excellent. But as a Ma. guy and Red sox follower I am embarrassed for my ignorance.
2007-06-23 17:40:20
290.   Sam in SC
281 - cool story. in a way.
2007-06-23 17:40:37
291.   underdog
Throw him another fastball, Cashmere.
2007-06-23 17:41:30
292.   Who Is Karim Garcia
to the tune of Rock the Casbah:

"Kasmir don't like it
Rock the fastball
Sock the fastball."

2007-06-23 17:41:32
293.   Sam in SC
286 - bucknor, hernandez, and west.

the worst of the worst.

2007-06-23 17:41:34
294.   JoeyP
Dont Chase the Slider Olmedo.
2007-06-23 17:41:49
295.   Gen3Blue
and at least Kaz has 86 pitches.
2007-06-23 17:42:23
296.   StolenMonkey86
92 now
2007-06-23 17:42:29
297.   underdog
Gack, two innings with bases loaded and no runs. This one isn't in the cards, it seems, though making Kazmir throw so many pitches you never know.
2007-06-23 17:42:32
298.   JoeyP
Kazmir is doing a Kaz Ishii.
2007-06-23 17:42:40
299.   MMSMikey
92 pitches
2007-06-23 17:43:30
300.   MMSMikey
we usually wait till the 7th to svore anyway.
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2007-06-23 17:43:43
301.   bhsportsguy
Look at it this way, you have the heart of the lineup coming up in the 6th.
2007-06-23 17:43:44
302.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Angel Hernandez is the worst BY far. Not even close. Although Eric Gregg who called that ridiculous game where Livan struck out a slew during the the Marlins firts WS run was also awful.
2007-06-23 17:44:24
303.   MMSMikey
why cant pierre hit a grounball like that?
2007-06-23 17:44:26
304.   Doctor
That's ok, top of the order coming up next inning.
2007-06-23 17:44:45
305.   Who Is Karim Garcia
How does Iwamura hit ANYTHING on the outer half of the plate?
2007-06-23 17:45:13
306.   Bluebleeder87
Iwamura is a thorn in my left shoulder.
2007-06-23 17:45:35
307.   Sam in SC
301 - that was pretty funny.
2007-06-23 17:45:52
308.   Lexinthedena
302-I'm so glad I'm not alone on that one....Hernandez was THE worst ump I ever saw....
2007-06-23 17:46:08
309.   lab rat
293, 302, et al --

2007-06-23 17:46:38
310.   MMSMikey
that was close.
2007-06-23 17:47:00
311.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Haahahahah, Pierre, you slay me. You could probably run it in faster than you can throw it.
2007-06-23 17:47:23
312.   Vishal
that run was all on pierre.
2007-06-23 17:47:23
313.   JoeyP
Juan's arm.
2007-06-23 17:47:25
314.   Lexinthedena
Ned has lost a lot of love from for that Pierre signing.....what a joke of an arm...
2007-06-23 17:47:36
315.   Bluebleeder87
you can cash that run in, i can't believe Steiner even pretended to be excited about Pierre throwing the ball.
2007-06-23 17:47:59
316.   Sam in SC
302 - bucknor is pretty horrible as well.

but I have to agree with you about hernandez. he is truly the worst.

jim west is just a bad personality.

2007-06-23 17:48:03
317.   Gen3Blue
Who was that Sac. fly hit to?
2007-06-23 17:48:24
318.   JoeyP
D-Rays camera man totally missed that one.
2007-06-23 17:48:46
319.   Doctor
OK, lets just get 1 run on the board.
2007-06-23 17:48:46
320.   Gen3Blue
I see. A guaranteed Sac.
2007-06-23 17:49:16
321.   Bluebleeder87

your joking right???

2007-06-23 17:49:35
322.   Sam in SC
309 - I stand corrected ;)
2007-06-23 17:49:38
323.   Andrew Shimmin
317- Who else?

I thought that last fly out was gone. I'll have to put my formal apology for everything I said about Wolf's mother in tomorrow's mail.

2007-06-23 17:50:31
324.   Bluebleeder87
wow, the D-Rays are gonna blow this kid way to early, did you guys see the pitches thrown per inning on Kazmir??
2007-06-23 17:51:09
325.   natepurcell
that should have been gone!
2007-06-23 17:51:10
326.   Who Is Karim Garcia
No no no no... that was out.... no no no.
2007-06-23 17:51:10
327.   MMSMikey
too bad loney wasnt hitting in front of seanz.
2007-06-23 17:51:15
328.   Andrew Shimmin
James Loney. First baseman for the Los Angeles Dodgers.
2007-06-23 17:51:48
329.   JoeyP
Its amazing how many triples Loney has gotten at the mlb level.

Get used to that seat on the bench Nomar.

2007-06-23 17:51:58
330.   Bluebleeder87
my self-esteem will shoot up if we score here cause i called it {230}
2007-06-23 17:52:05
331.   MMSMikey
take notes nomar, an extra base hit.
2007-06-23 17:52:34
332.   Lexinthedena
Let's put Nomar at third already...
2007-06-23 17:52:39
333.   trainwreck
Sadly, I doubt that will be the case.
2007-06-23 17:52:53
334.   MMSMikey
figure ethier (if not kemp) has to be kazmirs last hitter.
2007-06-23 17:53:19
335.   Gen3Blue
Loney has no power. I have a feeling he is going to be a better ML hitter than as a minor leaguer. This is not that unusual and I remember Fred Lynn and Jim Rice as examples.
2007-06-23 17:53:37
336.   Greg Brock
Somebody is suckin' down TheraFlu like it's water right about now.

Take your time getting healthy, Merchandise Man. We're in no hurry. If you haven't got your health, you haven't got anything.

2007-06-23 17:53:55
337.   JoeyP
Good AB Kemp.
Kazmir's done.
2007-06-23 17:54:06
338.   Doctor
2007-06-23 17:54:09
339.   bhsportsguy
334 Does Tampa Bay have someone up in the bullpen yet, according to Steiner, no one is up.
2007-06-23 17:54:37
340.   Who Is Karim Garcia

Yeah, a triple off the the top of the wall. No power. Right. Yeah.

2007-06-23 17:55:06
341.   Andrew Shimmin
Isn't TheraFlu verboten by the MLB? I thought they outlawed all the fun stuff.
2007-06-23 17:55:10
342.   MMSMikey
joe madden gonna dusty baker scott kazmir?
2007-06-23 17:55:29
343.   Johnny Nucleo
Ten baserunners for Kazmir over five innings, zero runs allowed. Something has to give here.
2007-06-23 17:55:50
344.   MMSMikey
gees thats a huge break.
2007-06-23 17:55:56
345.   Sam in SC
the kids score a run!
2007-06-23 17:56:06
346.   natepurcell
thats a juan pierre double for ethier.
2007-06-23 17:56:25
347.   bhsportsguy
Yeah, we got our turf double!!
2007-06-23 17:56:27
348.   Lexinthedena
Did that ball bounce in front of home plate?
2007-06-23 17:56:31
349.   Greg Brock
This is some proven veteran leadership being exhibited by the kids.
2007-06-23 17:56:49
350.   JoeyP
Wow, he's leaving him out there.
He's completely done.
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2007-06-23 17:57:07
351.   Gen3Blue
Damn, this is a crucial point. He has only thrown 100 and its important to make him throw at least 120 before the seventh.
No bullpen to go to. They should have tried to score Kemp

Please burn some pitches Estanislau.

2007-06-23 17:57:27
352.   Johnny Nucleo
I think this is what you'd call a slow hook. Although the Rays do seem to have some accomplished arsonists in the bullpen.
2007-06-23 17:57:35
353.   natepurcell
i really dont understand what maddon is doing.
2007-06-23 17:57:55
354.   MMSMikey
not a good at bat.
2007-06-23 17:57:56
355.   Blue in Beantown
What happened with that double? I'm only able to watch the box score over the internet.
2007-06-23 17:58:00
356.   Andrew Shimmin
Do you walk Furry?
2007-06-23 17:58:05
357.   Bluebleeder87
how many pitches does Kazmir make per start i'm wondering.
2007-06-23 17:58:29
358.   JoeyP
Abreu needed some patience there.
2007-06-23 17:59:20
359.   Sam in SC
if we are going to get to him, now is the time.
2007-06-23 17:59:27
360.   bhsportsguy
358 Live and learn with the kids.
2007-06-23 17:59:28
361.   JoeyP
Furcal's 0-3 he's due.
2007-06-23 17:59:35
362.   Andrew Shimmin
357- On average, 107.9, this year.
2007-06-23 18:00:22
363.   Bluebleeder87

shortening a guys career apparently

2007-06-23 18:00:40
364.   Lexinthedena
DO you squeeze here?
2007-06-23 18:01:00
365.   bhsportsguy
All right Raffy!
2007-06-23 18:01:08
366.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Pierre will FO. Believe it.
2007-06-23 18:01:37
367.   lab rat
2007-06-23 18:01:41
368.   Greg Brock
364 Nice call.
2007-06-23 18:01:45
369.   Sam in SC
364 - you called it.
2007-06-23 18:01:50
370.   bhsportsguy
Now you can take Kazmir.
2007-06-23 18:02:13
371.   JoeyP
That play is so risky.
2007-06-23 18:02:27
372.   dzzrtRatt
Juan Pierre, MVP of productive outs.
2007-06-23 18:02:58
373.   bhsportsguy
Wrong Charley, I will argue with you any day that JP is not a good bunter, though he at least got the bunt down that time.
2007-06-23 18:03:02
374.   MMSMikey
russ russ russ
2007-06-23 18:03:19
375.   Sam in SC
well, heck
2007-06-23 18:03:32
376.   Frip
Russel, the man who fell to earth.
2007-06-23 18:04:12
377.   JoeyP
Kazmir's going to get the quality start.
Though, there was nothing 'quality' about it.
2007-06-23 18:04:16
378.   Indiana Jon
371 Hence the name.
2007-06-23 18:04:45
379.   Who Is Karim Garcia
by FO, i meant force out. Bah!

I love that if nothing else we are all united by our common disdain for Juan Pierre.

2007-06-23 18:04:59
380.   Dave G
Didn't Lyons say earlier that Carl Crawford stealing 3rd with 2 outs was "stupid" because any hit to the outfield would score him, as "one of the fastest runners in the league"? And then he suggests that Raffy steal 3rd with 2 outs to "kick a team when it's down"... even though exactly the same reasoning could apply to Raffy? Did I miss something?
2007-06-23 18:05:48
381.   Lexinthedena
Loney should have Kept the chinstrap beard.....added to his cool, weirdo look....
2007-06-23 18:06:41
382.   Lexinthedena
Stop calling the bunt perfect CHARLIE!
2007-06-23 18:06:55
383.   bhsportsguy
380 Raffy's got veteran immunity.
2007-06-23 18:07:55
384.   Sam in SC
okay. maybe it is just me, but wasn't it odd that gomes threw the bat to his right, and not to his left?
2007-06-23 18:11:07
385.   Bluebleeder87
that slow breaking ball by Wolf makes me nervous.
2007-06-23 18:12:16
386.   Frip
This stadium / crowd creeps me a bit. Reminds me of the Tyson - Buster Douglas night. Let's just win and get out of there. "Set the controls for the heart of the sun."
2007-06-23 18:12:23
387.   Greg Brock
2007-06-23 18:13:20
388.   Doctor
Honeycutt to Wolf: Throw curveballs.

That was nice.

2007-06-23 18:13:36
389.   JoeyP
Tonight's a typical Wolf start.
6 in, 4.5 era, some K's, a homer, couple walks.
2007-06-23 18:13:54
390.   Bluebleeder87

o.k maybe i was just being paranoid

2007-06-23 18:14:05
391.   Michael D
Nomar has 4 extra base hits since May 1.
Loney has 4 extra base hits since May 1.

Nomar has 4 extra base hits in his last 154 AB's.
Loney has 4 extra base hits in his last 25 AB's.

2007-06-23 18:14:12
392.   Gen3Blue
357 I think Kazmir has made a good deal more than 100 lately. Thats a strategy for a team with a poor bullpen. Pitch counts are relatively new, if you consider 20 or thirty years relative.
2007-06-23 18:15:30
393.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I want Kent to shut that guy up.
2007-06-23 18:15:35
394.   Sam in SC
the screamer is back. the commenter that noticed that he must not like jeff kent was exactly right.
2007-06-23 18:16:48
395.   Bluebleeder87
hearing that guy yell makes my throat hurt, ugh!!.
2007-06-23 18:16:58
396.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Yell at your bullpen not Kent.
2007-06-23 18:17:25
397.   MMSMikey
great start to the inning.
2007-06-23 18:17:34
398.   Bluebleeder87
senior citizens running = healthy chuckle.
2007-06-23 18:17:53
399.   fiddlestick
Did we trade Pierre during the half inning changeover?
2007-06-23 18:17:54
400.   JoeyP
Saenz doenst get many bloop doubles.
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2007-06-23 18:17:57
401.   bhsportsguy
Young is battling Pierre for the worst CF play in this series.

Young is winning.

2007-06-23 18:18:06
402.   Lexinthedena
In that article about the heckler, it says that he usually picks one player form the opposing team to dog guess is that Kent is the guy....
2007-06-23 18:18:14
403.   Who Is Karim Garcia
How many people would need to break their legs for Olmedo to go inside the park?

And would he survive such an ordeal?

2007-06-23 18:18:58
404.   Sam in SC
399. who would want him?
2007-06-23 18:19:11
405.   Frip
Steiner: "You try and mix and match as best you can." Sounds like an underprivileged debutante.
2007-06-23 18:19:58
406.   MMSMikey
kemp with the bases chucked and nobody out ;)
2007-06-23 18:20:24
407.   Lexinthedena
Load em up for Kemp....beautiful....
2007-06-23 18:20:28
408.   bhsportsguy
Matty's turn with ducks on the pond.

Did I get that right?

2007-06-23 18:21:23
409.   Greg Brock
Man oh man. Sacks drunk for the Bison.


2007-06-23 18:21:33
410.   Who Is Karim Garcia
i prfer to usze the term, "sacks full"
2007-06-23 18:22:11
411.   Sam in SC
2007-06-23 18:22:18
412.   Who Is Karim Garcia
They love Witasick in TB.
2007-06-23 18:22:46
413.   MMSMikey
why even swing?
2007-06-23 18:22:46
414.   Lexinthedena
2007-06-23 18:22:47
415.   JoeyP
Walking Loney to get to Kemp is asking for trouble.
2007-06-23 18:23:09
416.   Bluebleeder87
man, that is the worst feeling ever, it's o.k. Kemp it's happens.
2007-06-23 18:23:13
417.   Sam in SC
I want to violate rule #1 right now
2007-06-23 18:23:16
418.   Vishal
2007-06-23 18:23:23
419.   Who Is Karim Garcia
excuse me guys, I'm gonna go beat myself in the street with an extension cord.
2007-06-23 18:23:25
420.   JoeyP
2-0 you gotta take though.
C'mon Kemp do that Oakland thing!
2007-06-23 18:24:01
421.   bhsportsguy
An astroturf double play, that ball got to 3B really quick.
2007-06-23 18:24:11
422.   Greg Brock


2007-06-23 18:24:19
423.   Lexinthedena
I'm surprised there are no "well, he hit it with authority" posts....
2007-06-23 18:24:26
424.   Michael D
Sigh, sorry Kemp looks like you're riding the pine tomorrow.
2007-06-23 18:24:32
425.   fiddlestick
Shades of Ralphie spilling the lugnuts out of the hubcap.
2007-06-23 18:24:46
426.   MMSMikey
my high school coach used to say if you want to swing 2-0 or 3-1 you better bang it off the wall.
2007-06-23 18:25:28
427.   Bluebleeder87
we're witnessing growing pains from a young stud, in a weird way it's beautiful & poetic.
2007-06-23 18:25:46
428.   Gagne55
Worst clutch hitting ever
2007-06-23 18:26:41
429.   bhsportsguy
426 I understand 2-0 but 3-1 seems a little strict, I mean if you take a strike its 3-2 which is not a great count for the batter.
2007-06-23 18:26:44
430.   Gagne55
Ooh. Now the Dodgers have the chance to strand the bases loaded again.
2007-06-23 18:27:08
431.   Who Is Karim Garcia
425, hahaahhah

Speaking of Casey Fossum, whatever happened to Ryan Ketchner?

2007-06-23 18:27:14
432.   JoeyP
Abreu, need some patience here buddy.
A walk means a run.
2007-06-23 18:27:24
433.   Frip
427 I was almost really mad at you till I realized you were being funny.
2007-06-23 18:27:45
434.   Gagne55
427 5-2-3 double plays are poetic?
2007-06-23 18:27:46
435.   MMSMikey
jesus tony shorten up your swing
2007-06-23 18:27:54
436.   Lexinthedena
Abreu's on the pine soon if he keeps swinging like that...
2007-06-23 18:28:22
437.   JoeyP
Tony, swinging at junk in the dirt is unbecoming.
2007-06-23 18:28:29
438.   Mark Joseph
DP dropped the Dodgers' win expectancy from 79% to 50%.

The walk raised it back to 54%

2007-06-23 18:28:42
439.   Michael D
2007-06-23 18:29:04
440.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Abreu is not Juan Pierre. That's the nicest thing I can say about him.
2007-06-23 18:29:05
441.   FirstMohican
Great inning boys!
2007-06-23 18:29:17
442.   Sam in SC
I haven't been this exasperated since . . . last week.
2007-06-23 18:29:30
443.   JoeyP
I dont think Abreu swung at a strike during that ab. He reached for everything.
2007-06-23 18:29:38
444.   Mark Joseph
And the third out dropped it to 36.5%
2007-06-23 18:29:47
445.   Greg Brock
On the bright side, nobody was killed that inning.
2007-06-23 18:29:49
446.   Frip
Weak? 75 pound weakling to be precise.
2007-06-23 18:30:03
447.   Gagne55
If the Dodgers lose, they can look to the missed oppurtunity here. or the fifth. or the fourth. or wonder how with so many base runners they didn't put 10 runs on trhe board!!
2007-06-23 18:30:28
448.   FirstMohican
436 - The pine riding is overdue.
2007-06-23 18:30:35
449.   MMSMikey
jon, can you please delete comment .397
2007-06-23 18:30:41
450.   JoeyP
447--Only 12 LOB in 7 innings.
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2007-06-23 18:31:00
451.   bhsportsguy
Kids do the darnest things.
2007-06-23 18:31:36
452.   Gagne55
How often does a team get four base runners in one inning and not score?
2007-06-23 18:31:41
453.   sws
rats. foiled again...
2007-06-23 18:31:47
454.   Sam in SC
fox graphic - LA is 0-4 with the bases loaded.

they need to stop getting on base so much.

2007-06-23 18:33:06
455.   Sam in SC
and we were just trashing him . . .
2007-06-23 18:33:08
456.   bhsportsguy
Now that is poetic.
2007-06-23 18:33:10
457.   FirstMohican
2007-06-23 18:33:22
458.   JoeyP
Navarro sends a message to Ned Colletti.
2007-06-23 18:33:24
459.   bluegold
Growing pains for Kemp? I mean, aren't the principles the same in the minors -- bases loaded, erratic pitcher on the mound, 2-0, you take the next ball to see what happens? Don't they teach that in the minors, in little league, everywhere?
2007-06-23 18:33:33
460.   MMSMikey
thats just unbelieveable.
2007-06-23 18:33:36
461.   Bluebleeder87
fat pitch down the middle & Navarro hits it out.
2007-06-23 18:33:45
462.   Mark Joseph
Now 18.3% :-(
2007-06-23 18:33:51
463.   Frip
The curse of the Dioner.
2007-06-23 18:33:52
464.   Gagne55
454 With two double plays. And now they trail again.
2007-06-23 18:34:12
465.   Greg Brock
Do you see what happens when you don't preserve the quality start?

This is what happens, Grady. This is what happens.

2007-06-23 18:34:29
466.   Sam in SC
it gets worse. bombko is warming up in the bullpen.
2007-06-23 18:34:39
467.   sws
sweet revenge for navarro
2007-06-23 18:34:50
468.   Gagne55
456 It only would have been poetic if Hendrickson had given it up.
2007-06-23 18:35:30
469.   Andrew Shimmin
Kemp got a pitch he liked. He swung. He didn't do much with it. That's not a growing pain, that's half of any baseball player's at bats. It stinks when it happens, but it's not a character fault, or something that he'll grow out of. Unless he goes back to playing basketball.
2007-06-23 18:35:37
470.   fiddlestick
458- That he won't go homerless for the season?
2007-06-23 18:35:54
471.   Sam in SC
468 - I would have called that "bitterly ironic".
2007-06-23 18:37:04
472.   Bluebleeder87

he's young,eager, hungry to prove he belongs (just called back up) i can understand how he feels, it will be interesting to see how he handles those situations in the future.

2007-06-23 18:37:04
473.   Greg Brock
Never underestimate Tampa Bay's ability to be Tampa Bay.

There is hope.

2007-06-23 18:37:18
474.   Frip
Lyons: "I still think the Dodgers have alot of confidence they can win this ballgame."

How does he know? What a senseless comment.

2007-06-23 18:38:14
475.   JoeyP
Is Broxton not available tonight?
Wolf seems to be laboring out there.
2007-06-23 18:38:37
476.   Sam in SC
what was wrong with that pitch?
2007-06-23 18:38:58
477.   Andrew Shimmin
474- Even with the tricky uniforms, the Dodgers still know they're playing Tampa Bay. I'd say it's a fair bet they think they can win.
2007-06-23 18:39:07
478.   bhsportsguy
Its a little silly for Navarro to have a grudge, its pretty clear that the Dodgers chose correctly, he needs to just try and get better and get his season in gear.
2007-06-23 18:40:07
479.   JoeyP
A little late Grady.
2007-06-23 18:40:24
480.   bhsportsguy
475 Saito is not available, Bills is in the rotation and Beimel and Seanez also were used a lot in the last two days.
2007-06-23 18:40:43
481.   Sam in SC
strap on the helmets, guys. bombko is coming into the game.
2007-06-23 18:40:45
482.   Lexinthedena
2007-06-23 18:41:05
483.   Bluebleeder87
although seeing him in past at bats he's inpatient by nature so i'm probably wrong, but i do feel you can get a bit better, it's not like there robots out there, he'll put those at bats in the data bank & learn from those mistakes.
2007-06-23 18:41:11
484.   Frip
477 - I hope we lose just to spite you and Lyons.
2007-06-23 18:41:16
485.   Andrew Shimmin
I don't see the point in his holding a grudge, but it's not at all clear that the Dodgers chose correctly. It wasn't a matter of Navarro or Martin. It was Navarro or Hendrickson. That may be a close choice, depending on your opinion of Hendrickson's performance, but it's not clearly the right one.
2007-06-23 18:41:27
486.   JoeyP
480--Right, so why isnt Broxton available in a high leverage situation like right now?
2007-06-23 18:41:47
487.   FirstMohican
Bringing in Tomko right now must just be a mistake. Only way I can wrap my head around it.
2007-06-23 18:41:56
488.   bhsportsguy
479 They only have 11 pitchers, Hendrickson pitched on Thursday, Saito was not going to be used, Broxton is being saved for the last inning, so you have Tomko, maybe Seanez and Beimel for a batter or two and Tomko.
2007-06-23 18:42:58
489.   Bluebleeder87

Bombko doesn't make me feel confident either, but he has his good days.

2007-06-23 18:43:37
490.   JoeyP
Broxton is being saved for the last inning,

Which might not come if the game isnt held in control right now.

2007-06-23 18:43:54
491.   Bob Timmermann
Personal animus toward you by Grady Little.
2007-06-23 18:44:00
492.   Sam in SC

sucks to be him

2007-06-23 18:44:51
493.   FirstMohican
"I said Tomko? No kiddin."
2007-06-23 18:45:15
494.   Bob Timmermann
The last inning of this game will be played regardless of whose pitching. It's in the rulebook.
2007-06-23 18:45:26
495.   Lexinthedena
Dodgerblues better not let Dioner off the hook....
2007-06-23 18:45:58
496.   bhsportsguy
490 This has been discussed and managers will never use the bullpen in that way.
2007-06-23 18:46:19
497.   JoeyP
494--You misinterpreted my comments. I believe BHS said Grady would be holding Broxton back until a save situation occurs---which that might not come.
2007-06-23 18:46:35
498.   Lexinthedena
Do it again! Do it again!
2007-06-23 18:46:51
499.   Bluebleeder87
Steiner is throwing the "better then anybody i ever seen" comment loosely today.
2007-06-23 18:47:14
500.   bojangles
469. Amen.

As for the guy who says we're united by "disdain" for Juan Pierre...count me out. I recognize the limits of his game, I was dumbfounded by the trade, but that brings me nowhere near disdain. Let me guess that's true for a lot of other folks here, as well...

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2007-06-23 18:47:25
501.   Lexinthedena
Bill Walton-esque...
2007-06-23 18:48:30
502.   Sam in SC
(holding my head again)
2007-06-23 18:48:32
503.   Lexinthedena
He's just bad mojo at this point....
2007-06-23 18:48:43
504.   dzzrtRatt
That's our guy. Juan for the ages.
2007-06-23 18:49:07
505.   Sam in SC
I miss Vin. badly.
2007-06-23 18:49:39
506.   bhsportsguy
497 I am not disagreeing with you, I am just stating the conventional reasoning and also why Tomko was in the game. Also, I don't think Broxton has made a 7th inning appearance this year.
2007-06-23 18:49:40
507.   Sam in SC
here comes the screamer!
2007-06-23 18:49:43
508.   JoeyP
Russ needs to match Dioner.
2007-06-23 18:50:27
509.   Bluebleeder87

his mojo is running on fumes!!

2007-06-23 18:50:33
510.   Sam in SC
yet another stolen base by martin.

this kid is golden

2007-06-23 18:50:52
511.   Greg Brock
I need some quality Proven Veteran Leadership from Kent right here.
2007-06-23 18:51:11
512.   Bluebleeder87
Russell with a Dodger record, i don't think that will be the first.
2007-06-23 18:51:29
513.   Sam in SC
where is the screamer?

ah, I just heard him.

2007-06-23 18:51:48
514.   JoeyP
A record and its only June 23!
2007-06-23 18:52:52
515.   Sam in SC
the heart of the oder is behind kent.
2007-06-23 18:53:11
516.   Sam in SC
515 - "order"
2007-06-23 18:53:24
517.   Bob Timmermann
Besides the Toronto blowout, Broxton has made two seventh inning appearances. Once against St. Louis in May and another time against Colorado in April.
2007-06-23 18:53:34
518.   Lexinthedena
The heart of the oder is in Olmedo Saenz locker.....I'll be here all night....
2007-06-23 18:54:00
519.   Sam in SC
2007-06-23 18:54:23
520.   Bluebleeder87
ugh, kent!!. sigh [rolling eyes]
2007-06-23 18:54:51
521.   Greg Brock
It's taken a lot of effort to lose this game tonight.

Still playing Tampa Bay. Hope.

2007-06-23 18:55:24
522.   Mark Joseph
Martin's getting on moves win expectancy from 13.3% to 15%, and the SB moves it from 15% to 19%.

Kent makes it 11.2%

Every AB is a clutch situation, just some more than others.

2007-06-23 18:55:37
523.   Sam in SC
we get another shot at their bullpen with the kids coming up . .
2007-06-23 18:55:39
524.   sws
this game is not meant to be...
2007-06-23 18:56:06
525.   bhsportsguy
517 I stand corrected though in this situation, the issue isn't why wasn't he in the 7th.
2007-06-23 18:57:24
526.   Sam in SC
is tomorrow a 1:00 game? we finally get a day game on getaway day?
2007-06-23 18:58:41
527.   Bluebleeder87

it's a 10:00am PT game.

2007-06-23 18:59:58
528.   Bluebleeder87
Grady should have pulled Wolf early, but as the saying goes, shoulda, coulda, woulda
2007-06-23 19:00:24
529.   Sam in SC
527 - cool. thanks.
2007-06-23 19:01:02
530.   bhsportsguy
528 Wolf should have been able to get Navarro out.
2007-06-23 19:01:35
531.   Sam in SC
well, here we are, and here we go.

can the kids do it?

2007-06-23 19:02:28
532.   Bob Timmermann
Losing on a Navarro homer is about the same as losing on a Pierre homer.
2007-06-23 19:03:53
533.   Sam in SC

the kids come up after anderson.

2007-06-23 19:05:07
534.   Bluebleeder87

instead he threw a fat one right down the middle. 4-3 D-Rays.

2007-06-23 19:05:32
535.   Sam in SC
jack it out, james.
2007-06-23 19:06:20
536.   JoeyP
Dodgers havent been retired in order yet tonight.
2007-06-23 19:07:23
537.   Sam in SC
I can't believe that we are about to lost to the Drays by a run.
2007-06-23 19:07:24
538.   JoeyP
Its up to Kemp to keep the streak alive.
2007-06-23 19:09:00
539.   Gagne55
This is among the worst losses of the season. Not Broxton implosion bad, but three runs and 13 LOB losing 4-3. Disgusting.
2007-06-23 19:09:42
540.   Gagne55
not to mention numerous double plays
2007-06-23 19:09:47
541.   Sam in SC
cool! 2-2

a hitters count.

2007-06-23 19:11:17
542.   FirstMohican
Awesome at-bat Kemp!
2007-06-23 19:11:28
543.   bhsportsguy
Great AB.
2007-06-23 19:11:35
544.   Gagne55
Kemp had better not be LOB#14.
2007-06-23 19:11:38
545.   Greg Brock
Good for you, Matty
2007-06-23 19:12:13
546.   JoeyP
Dodgers have had a runner on every single inning of the game. Amazing only 3 runs.
2007-06-23 19:12:20
547.   Mark Joseph
From 11% to 8% (after the first out) to 3.6% (after the second out) and back up to 8.5% after the walk.
2007-06-23 19:12:47
548.   Sam in SC
the kids. they rock.
2007-06-23 19:12:53
549.   Greg Brock
If we don't score, this game is stupid.
2007-06-23 19:12:58
550.   Bluebleeder87
well if anything the Dodgers are making it interesting here in the 9th. woo!! nice at bat by Kemp too!.
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2007-06-23 19:12:59
551.   bhsportsguy
Gonzo coming up.
2007-06-23 19:13:01
552.   Frip
I really can't deal with this.
2007-06-23 19:13:07
553.   Gagne55
And I hope Ethier isn't LOB#15.

Go Gonzo!

2007-06-23 19:13:24
554.   JoeyP
Better not be #15 LOB...

This is excruciating.

2007-06-23 19:13:40
555.   Frip
549 - Hilarious
2007-06-23 19:13:50
556.   overkill94
I totally forgot Gonzo was on the bench. I was afraid we'd get more of Abreu's flailings.
2007-06-23 19:13:51
557.   Mark Joseph
Believe it or not, the double only lifts it up to about 12.5%. This is the time for a clutch wild pitch!
2007-06-23 19:14:08
558.   FirstMohican
I heard somewhere that Gonzo has the first ever homerun at this ballpark.
2007-06-23 19:14:18
559.   Bluebleeder87
[bitting nails, as i watch the game]
2007-06-23 19:14:56
560.   Sam in SC

0-2 to gonzo

2007-06-23 19:15:03
561.   FirstMohican
First pitch was a ball.
2007-06-23 19:15:48
562.   Sam in SC
drama. again
2007-06-23 19:15:55
563.   Gagne55
The D's OBP for this game is near .500.
2007-06-23 19:16:18
564.   Blue in the Bay
Blasted wool unis!!
2007-06-23 19:16:24
565.   overkill94
2007-06-23 19:16:25
566.   Greg Brock
Stupid game.


2007-06-23 19:16:39
567.   Sam in SC



2007-06-23 19:16:52
568.   JoeyP
2007-06-23 19:17:04
569.   Mark Joseph

Yes, but what was their batting average w/RISP?

2007-06-23 19:17:25
570.   Vishal
ugh indeed. :(
2007-06-23 19:17:31
571.   sws
2007-06-23 19:17:46
572.   Sam in SC
I hate this game more than the broxsplosion game.
2007-06-23 19:18:42
573.   lab rat
This is gonna sound maudlin, but the Kemp AB almost makes it measurably less sucky.
2007-06-23 19:18:52
574.   Bob Timmermann
First time the Dodgers have left 15 and scored just three in a 9-inning game since September 12, 1970, an 8-3 loss to the Giants.

2007-06-23 19:18:52
575.   Suffering Bruin
The absolute definition of a bitter defeat.

Hey, Jon? Cool ad.

2007-06-23 19:18:55
576.   bhsportsguy
Just one of those games, couldn't hit the fly ball when that's all they needed.
2007-06-23 19:19:31
577.   Suffering Bruin
573 Thank you! I am very, very proud of Kemp for that AB.
2007-06-23 19:19:49
578.   Sam in SC
I am just devastated.

I came in to tonight sure we would win.

2007-06-23 19:20:16
579.   Gagne55
22 baserunners. 3 score, 4 erased, 15LOB. .478 OBP.
2007-06-23 19:20:38
580.   Jon Weisman
572 - How is that possible? The kids hit and hit and hit. Loney's two outs were line drives. Big picture wise, this is so much better. After the Broxton loss, people were saying our team was in dire straits. Even with this loss, I feel the opposite.
2007-06-23 19:21:24
581.   Bluebleeder87
horrible loss, but that's just the way the water flows it's a long season we'll be back in there tomorrow battling
2007-06-23 19:21:35
582.   Johnny Nucleo
As Gagne or Martin might say, Ta-ber-nac.
2007-06-23 19:21:40
583.   Gagne55
579 Disgusting.
2007-06-23 19:22:02
584.   Bob Timmermann
I count the Dodgers OBP as being .477 for the game (21 for 44).
2007-06-23 19:23:06
585.   Frip
I've about had it with Rule #1
2007-06-23 19:24:13
586.   Bob Timmermann
The last game the Dodgers lost when they reached safely 21 times in a 9-inning game was Opening Day 2006.

2007-06-23 19:25:13
587.   lab rat
I'm filing a brief in support of the opinion that this is not a horrible loss as losses go. Sure, the LOB number is hellacious. But good stuff is happening.
2007-06-23 19:26:13
588.   Gagne55
586 But at least they gave up 15 baserunners in that game.
2007-06-23 19:28:39
589.   Suffering Bruin
I'm not disgusted by this loss. I'm not overly angry or anything like that. It's a loss and losses always hurt a little but are there bright spots? Oh my yes.

1. The kids are alright and then some.
2. The Dodgers OBP was insane.
3. Wolf pitched with a lot of courage tonight.
4. Tomko looked very good.
5. Did I mention the kids played great?

I didn't see one dog tonight, people. Every Dodger played with heart, like they wanted to win this one badly. It's why it hurts but it's why I'm liking this club... they were playing to win all the way tonight.

2007-06-23 19:28:42
590.   Bob Timmermann
I'm betting that this was a frustrating game.

2007-06-23 19:29:14
591.   Bluebleeder87

i agree with you lab rat, i'm just still weird out on the loss.

2007-06-23 19:29:29
592.   Gagne55
586 When was the last time they lost while putting 9 more guys on base than their opponent?
2007-06-23 19:31:00
593.   Bob Timmermann
Oh I used to be disgusted
But now I try to be amused
2007-06-23 19:32:37
594.   Suffering Bruin
590 Why, yes, that was a frustating game. Perhaps you'd like to link to some recent games in San Diego? I believe the same "supporting" cast would suffice. After that, I have this open wound that needs the proper combinatin of salt and rubbing alcohol... :)
2007-06-23 19:33:28
595.   Gagne55
I didn't see one dog tonight, people.

Did you see Tony Abreu play?

2007-06-23 19:35:47
596.   Gen3Blue
I think my thoughts on payroll is reaching an inflection point. Keep most of the "prospects". Now employ pitchers like Houlton, and spend 15 mil a year on five pro hitters. Isn't this less of a gamble than pitchers like Schmidt and Wolf( and Perez and Driefart for that matter.) I may not feel this in the morning, but spending on a bat is much less risky than on an arm. But, please don't trade for a bat,buy it with this incredable money we pay for pitchers. Hear me, don't trade or you will look like idiots.
2007-06-23 19:37:31
597.   Gen3Blue
I'm rubbing with both salt and alcohal but I don't feel better yet.
2007-06-23 19:39:16
598.   Suffering Bruin
595 I did. His OBP was .500 on the game and he looked fine defensively. I'm not nominating him for man of the year or anything but he was playing his tail off just like everybody else.

And, yes, I noticed he has a wee bit of trouble with the hook. :)

2007-06-23 19:41:57
599.   Suffering Bruin
Hey, I want to be like Sammy! Get to 600!
2007-06-23 19:42:11
600.   Suffering Bruin
And there it goes!
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2007-06-23 19:49:28
601.   Bob Timmermann
Break up the Orioles. They lead the DBacks 4-0!
2007-06-23 19:49:48
602.   trainwreck
Ricky Hatton made quick work of Jose Luis Castillo. Do not usually see a boxing match end on a body punch.
2007-06-23 19:50:31
603.   dzzrtRatt
And now the Dodgers are staring down the barrel of facing Edwin Jackson on Sunday!
2007-06-23 19:54:17
604.   D4P
Watched "The Revenge of the Nerds" again tonight for the millionth time. Great movie. Can't believe Bob has never seen it.
2007-06-23 19:54:52
605.   Greg Brock
602 I'm a big Ricky Hatton fan, but he's not facing the same Castillo from a few years ago.

And he shouldn't be calling out Mayweather.

2007-06-23 19:56:47
606.   Bob Timmermann
Here you ago,
April 30, 1993

The Dodgers lost to the Phillies at Dodger Stadium 7-6 despite getting 21 runners on base while the Phillies get just 9 runners on base.

The Dodgers strand 13 and the Phillies leave 4.

The Dodgers loaded the bases with no one out in the 9th against Mitch Williams. But Mike Sharperson lined into a DP and Brett Butler hit into a force play.

2007-06-23 20:05:32
607.   Bluebleeder87

a fellow mexican loosing on a body punch just doesn't sound right, but judging from what the announcers said he looked sluggish from the get go, i'm guessing he's faught to many wars & it's catching up with him.

2007-06-23 20:07:45
608.   Bob Timmermann
San Diego is the only city with fans who live to taunt Doug Mirabelli.
2007-06-23 20:08:19
609.   Bluebleeder87
did Russell Martin request to take the 2nd base bag? i didn't notice.
2007-06-23 20:12:43
610.   JoeyP
Young has struck out 10 Red Sox in 5 innings.
2007-06-23 20:12:44
611.   Bluebleeder87
of course when De La Hoya dropped on a body punch by Hopkins every body screamed princess. but i think it was just a perfect punch.
2007-06-23 20:13:20
612.   Bluebleeder87

he should serve his suspension already!!

2007-06-23 20:14:47
613.   Gagne55
606 Phils actually had 12 baserunners as three reached on errors (I knew something was wrong with 9 baserunner yielding 7 runs and 4LOB). But thanks. Yeah, that must have been a brutal game to watch.
2007-06-23 20:16:46
614.   Bob Timmermann
I was just factoring in batters reaching safely.
2007-06-23 20:18:28
615.   Dodgers49
500. As for the guy who says we're united by "disdain" for Juan Pierre...count me out.

I don't like pierre's game but I have no disdain for him. He would have had to be a complete idiot NOT to sign that contract. So I don't see how anyone can blame him for being here.

2007-06-23 20:19:48
616.   Bob Timmermann
The Phillies had 11 baserunners in the 1993 game.

7 hits
2 walks
2 batters reaching on errors by Jose Offerman (the other error was on a pickoff and Piazza dropped a throw to let Dykstra score).

So, seven scored and four were left on.

2007-06-23 20:24:22
617.   Bluebleeder87
did you guys get suckered into clicking on the sidebar add Jon has???
2007-06-23 20:24:48
618.   bluegold
I'm getting tired of the Dodgers staff and/or Wolfe coming on the radio after a game and give yet another set of reasons why Wolfe wasn't effective.
2007-06-23 20:34:28
619.   Dodgers49
A very frustrating game today. Having my man Kemp hit into that double play with the bases loaded and nobody out was kind of heartbreaking for me. But I was fine with the effort, just disappointed with the result. As for the count being 2-0, I don't expect my sluggers to AUTOMATICALLY take on that count. I want Juan Pierre to take. Kemp I want to look for a certain pitch in that situation. And if he gets it then crush it (while taking anything else). I expected to see that ball go up the alley or over the wall. Instead it went right to the 3rd baseman. That's the way it goes sometimes but I see growth. If hitting major league pitching was easy everybody would be doing it. :-) I would have been truly disappointed only if he had just waved at some breaking pitches off the outside corner. I like what I'm seeing with him compared to last year. And I believe it's just a matter of time before he makes somebody PAY.
2007-06-23 20:42:39
620.   natepurcell
bummer result but alot of positives from the game itself. Hopefully we can come back tomorrow and take the series.

Kemp was clearly frustrated after that DP but that was the pitch to hit and he just grounded hard into the DP. Good hitters count, that was the pitch, the results just werent there but it was the right approach.

2007-06-23 20:44:21
621.   JoeyP
Bard just had another homer he hit taken away from him.
2007-06-23 20:44:52
622.   Bluebleeder87
did the BoSox franchise just pull somebody off the streets of boston & make him an announcer?
2007-06-23 20:45:56
623.   JoeyP
They amended the call now.
2007-06-23 20:54:08
624.   Jon Weisman
Bruce Springsteen Dublin concert is on KCET right now (with pledge breaks).
2007-06-23 21:01:11
625.   FirstMohican
Pretty incredible game by Young considering the Boston offense. Drew has the only hit so far It was his first ever off of Young.
2007-06-23 21:01:30
626.   Bob Timmermann
I just bought the CD on iTunes. Fewer pledge breaks.
2007-06-23 21:05:06
627.   natepurcell
he who shall not be named in his last 6 outings...

4.00 H/9IP
3.5 BB/9IP
11.5 K/9IP

hes ready for the CAL League.

2007-06-23 21:05:50
628.   natepurcell
instead of he who shall not be named, i should have just said the mythical beast.
2007-06-23 21:07:39
629.   Nagman
They just showed Fred Lynn in the stands at Petco. He was with his beautiful daughter... okay, I'm assuming she was his daughter.

Thanks for the heads up, Jon. Unfortunately it is not in HD.

2007-06-23 21:11:42
630.   natepurcell
blake dewitt thinks he is still a top prospect.

3-3 2doubles tonight. BA is up to .292

2007-06-23 21:23:51
631.   JoeyP
I'm sure Dewitt's agent thinks he is too. So thats 2 people at least.

I dont know how Vasgersian could interview Luke Walton and not ask him about his own free agency or Kobe---but he didnt.

2007-06-23 21:25:13
632.   natepurcell
meloan was perfect today. It seems like he is just wasting time in AA now.

last 10 outings

12IP 4H 1ER 3bb 19k

2007-06-23 21:38:50
633.   CanuckDodger
DeWitt was hitting .386/.449/.629 in 17 games in June, and with what he has done today, that line is only getting better.

I think DeWitt's performances in April and May were aberrational. Could have been a nagging injury, or he could have developed a mechanical flaw that has finally been ironed out.

2007-06-23 21:54:01
634.   Jon Weisman
629 - In my house, it's barely in D.
2007-06-23 22:07:49
635.   JoeyP
Hopefully DeWitt can reach the majors and be as productive as Dustin Pedroia has been---whom was taken in the 2nd round of the same draft out of Arizona State. Pedroia is two years older than DeWitt, so hopefully in two years he'll be at his level.
2007-06-23 22:16:50
636.   Andrew Shimmin
Now Bob's just showing off. You really think "Interleague Day 19" roundup and "AL clinches interleague crown" couldn't have been scrunched together in one post?
2007-06-23 22:33:55
637.   Andrew Shimmin
Now I look like a jerk. I was just teasing.
2007-06-23 22:35:16
638.   Bob Timmermann
Now I've got to go to Blockbuster to get "R.V."
2007-06-23 22:37:00
639.   das411
BOB! No mention that the Trop once hosted two seasons of hockey games??

And for those not fortunate enough to experience aa game there in person, games in that dome are actually really interesting. Unless the Yanks/Sawks are in town I have always been able to walk up and buy field-level seats, the concession lines are virtually nonexistant (ahem, Dodger Stadium) even at in-house Outback franchise, AND you can even hear the players talk to each other if you sit close enough to home plate. Definitely not the type of baseball DTers are used to, but an interesting take on it nevertheless...

2007-06-23 22:37:41
640.   Linkmeister
Huh. The Springsteen concert isn't on here till Wednesday night. I'm having to make do with the first purchase I've ever made from iTunes: The Essential Jefferson Airplane (not Starship! Airplane was great, Starship was not). 32 tracks of super bass and guitar work, and Grace Slick's voice to boot.
2007-06-23 22:38:15
641.   Andrew Shimmin
Andrew Shimmin--I bully Bob for giggles.

Looking through the archives the other day, I saw that somebody once called you out for saying that Kirk Rueter's ears stuck out funny. So, I still haven't got the market cornered.

2007-06-23 22:39:57
642.   Bob Timmermann
But my ears stick out just like Kirk Rueter's.
2007-06-23 22:49:57
643.   underdog
Does this picture of Don Zimmer look like a picture of an actual human being, or the Sta-Puff Marshmallow Man? I can't tell.

2007-06-23 22:59:22
644.   das411
And for those who were interested:

Jonny Gomes called the baggy pants "old school."

"I just couldn't imagine playing in these in the middle of summer," said Gomes of the cotton uniforms. "These aren't that heavy. The one's they used to wear, they were like flannel. Those guys had to have been really sweating."

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