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Pierre To Stay, Apparently
2007-12-12 15:43
by Jon Weisman

More from Diamond Leung at the Press-Enterprise:

"I don't have any interest in trading Matt Kemp," Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti said. "We plan on having him here." That doesn't mean, however, that Kemp would necessarily be an everyday player if Andre Ethier remains a Dodger. Colletti also said he doesn't plan on trading Juan Pierre.

What wasn't said:

1) that Ethier wouldn't be traded
2) that Pierre would start (?)

We would forgive!

Update: Ken Gurnick at ...

If he's not trading Kemp, what about Juan Pierre or Andre Ethier, the other two outfielders in the primary quartet? Colletti was non-committal.

He said he spoke with Pierre about the acquisition of Jones, which will force the move of Pierre to left field if he is not traded. Colletti said he was satisfied that Pierre would accept the shift. The remaining $36.5 million on Pierre's contract will be a significant hurdle to clear in any trade.

"The main thing he got across to me is that he wished he had more of an inkling to our thought process," Colletti said of Pierre. "He said he just wished he knew a month ago. I didn't know. Who knew?"

Colletti signed Pierre last winter to a five-year contract that has come under constant fire because of Pierre's weak throwing arm and low on-base percentage. Nonetheless, Colletti said the addition of Jones could dramatically improve a Dodgers lineup with Pierre still in it. ...

"I believe the team has the power potential to score in different ways. And it has the added factor of speed with [Rafael] Furcal and Pierre on top providing a different dynamic. How many teams have the speed to steal bases with the top two and have five possible with 20 homers?"

What's this nonsense about Pierre not knowing the Dodgers were looking for a new center fielder? It's been talked about overtly since the regular season ended.

Update 3: Last add from Leung is "People can think what they want about Juan and the position change, but he's a great guy," said Mark Pieper, Pierre's agent.

Comments (247)
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2007-12-12 15:48:49
1.   Andrew Shimmin
It was so short, that happy spell. So, so short.
2007-12-12 15:49:09
2.   trainwreck
The Kemp statement is definitely more emphatic. Saying I don't plan on trading Pierre is not a ringing endorsement, at least.
2007-12-12 15:49:56
3.   fanerman
I like SG6's comment that Ned was winking when he said that.
2007-12-12 15:51:40
4.   Eric Stephen
So many posts. So little time! :)
2007-12-12 15:52:54
5.   trainwreck
I agree with Nate, from the previous thread. If Pierre complains that he does not want any part of left field, then maybe we just eat a good chunk of his deal and get rid of him.
2007-12-12 15:54:05
6.   Eric Stephen
Wondering about the 25-man roster, what are the odds LaRoche makes the club if he doesn't outright win the 3B job? Would he stay with the big club to start two days a week for a gimpy Nomar?

Also, given Loney's great spring 2007, what will LaRoche have to hit to win the 3B job?

2007-12-12 15:56:41
7.   natepurcell
Show your selfish side for once Juan!
2007-12-12 15:57:15
8.   trainwreck
I think LaRoche has a better chance than Loney did, because Nomar is coming off a horrible season. I think if LaRoche has a good spring training they split time and then whoever does better gets the job at some point.
2007-12-12 15:58:15
9.   Eric Stephen
Yeah, that sounds like the plan.
2007-12-12 15:58:21
10.   fanerman
6 But LaRoche isn't battling with the 2006-Comeback-Player-Of-The-Year Nomar. He's battling with Kicked-Out-Of-1st-Base Nomar.
2007-12-12 16:05:34
11.   Eric Enders
So unless I'm reading things completely wrong, Delwyn Young's career as a Dodger effectively ended today. The news that Pierre will not be traded combined with the fact that Repko was offered a contract means there isn't room on the roster for Young, and he can't be sent back to AAA since he's out of options.
2007-12-12 16:09:11
12.   trainwreck
Or we are dealing Ethier. I think Ned would deal Pierre if he could.

I am thinking Ethier for Benoit + a prospect

2007-12-12 16:11:29
13.   Jon Weisman
11 - I think we decided Repko has an option. So the Dodgers might pay $450K just to keep him as injury insurance. Not such an extravagance, all things considered.
2007-12-12 16:12:21
14.   Eric Stephen
It depends on whether the Dodgers think of Young as an occasional second baseman. In theory, Young could still stick around as a useful bat off the bench.

Assuming Nomar & Pierre start, this could be a good and versatile Dodger bench:

OF - Ethier (L)
3B - LaRoche (R)
IF - Abreu (S)
2B/OF - Young (S)
OF - Repko (R)
C - John Q. Backup (Lieberthal/Miller/Bennett)

2007-12-12 16:12:28
15.   hernari
11 Or Young and Repko battle it out for a roster spot.
2007-12-12 16:14:32
16.   Jon Weisman
Current 25-man?

Starting Pitchers (5): Billingsley, Lowe, Penny, Schmidt, Loaiza

Bullpen (6): Saito, Broxton, Beimel, Proctor, Brazoban, Kuo/Houlton

Starting lineup (8): Martin, Loney, Kent, Furcal, Garciaparra, Pierre, Jones, Kemp

Bench (6): Abreu, LaRoche, May, Ethier, Young, Valdez/Hu

2007-12-12 16:15:16
17.   alexx
Just because a GM says he won't trade a player doesn't mean that he actually won't, does it? In theory, if you are planning to trade a player, you should say that you aren't going to trade him and then you can hope that his value goes up a bit. Who knows, though.
2007-12-12 16:15:47
18.   Eric Enders
It would be awesome if we could get something like Benoit and Taylor Teagarden for Ethier. We need catching depth in the minors and Teagarden will, at the very least, grow up to be as good a backup catcher as you could possibly want.
2007-12-12 16:16:55
19.   Jon Weisman
17 - Certainly.

18 - Maybe we can quickly offer Hendrickson a contract and trade him for Navarro.

2007-12-12 16:17:24
20.   alexx
Also, Colletti could have said something like, "I don't plan on trading Pierre at this moment but anything could happen. We do in fact have too many outfielders." I am going to choose to remain optimistic.
2007-12-12 16:18:12
21.   natepurcell
Why haven't they made a Russell Martin Fathead yet?
2007-12-12 16:19:05
22.   Robert Fiore
I like to take the glass-half-full position that playing Pierre in left is a step towards accepting reality getting rid of him. The more he plays there the more you have to realize that he's offensively inadequate for the position. As left is easier to fill defensively than center, the temptation to replace him in the lineup now and then will get progressively greater. First you begin substituting for him when the team is slumping offensively, then a little more, then a little more . . .
2007-12-12 16:20:47
23.   Sub4Era
Going back to the reference to McCovey Chronicles, I found it rather amusing that they know XeiFrank. Make drop in appearances to show probabilities they will get stomped on any given day I assume? :)

One of the posters added a request to Sabean saying how say that the Giants needed another OF because they clearly don't have enough, and he was their man. He played CF in 77' with a Jr baseball team and XeiFrank Boras was his agent. Funny stuff

2007-12-12 16:23:51
24.   Eric Stephen
I like the update above from Gurnick. The seeds of discontent have been sown!
2007-12-12 16:23:52
25.   Bob Timmermann
Jason Tyner was non-tendered by the Twins. He would make a nice bookend with Pierre.

However, those are not metaphorical bookends.

2007-12-12 16:26:31
26.   Bill Crain
he wished he had more of an inkling to our thought process

Ned Colletti really has a way with words. Apparently just not English words.

2007-12-12 16:26:48
27.   natepurcell

Water the seed. Lets make it grow!

2007-12-12 16:31:04
28.   Sam DC
Nook Logan non-tendered (or just released - don't think he's arb eligible). Who wants to let Colletti know?
2007-12-12 16:31:37
29.   Jon Weisman
"The main thing he got across to me is that he wished he had more of an inkling to our thought process," Colletti said of Pierre. "He said he just wished he knew a month ago. I didn't know. Who knew?"

a) This Pierre-to-left thing has been going on longer than a month, hasn't it? Or does the thought process only date back to the Jones signing itself.

b) If Pierre had known about this possibility two months ago, what difference would it make?

2007-12-12 16:33:21
30.   natepurcell

Gives him more time to put his house up for sale?

2007-12-12 16:34:05
31.   Ken Noe
I again refer to Gerry Frayley of the Sporting News: "The Los Angeles Dodgers may have to keep outfielder Juan Pierre because there is no market for him, and newly added center fielder Andruw Jones will need more time off at this stage of his career. Jones leads the majors in games played (1,730) and games played in center (1,629) since 1997. Jones' decline last season can be traced to the effects of that workload."

What I read: (a) no one would take JP, and (b) he may end up being Jones's caddy.

2007-12-12 16:34:22
32.   trainwreck
He could start his steroid cycle earlier?

Left fielders are supposed to have pop.

Being serious, knowing Pierre he will probably go practice everyday now reading flyballs from left-field and where he has to throw. Not that a month would really help that. So maybe, he meant he would try to get himself traded.

2007-12-12 16:35:04
33.   Eric Stephen
Pierre knew as soon as October 12!

Asked if he would be more willing to move if he was making room for a Gold Glove center fielder like Andruw Jones, he said:

"We'll see. He's probably the best center fielder in the game. I'm not to his caliber."

2007-12-12 16:37:09
34.   Eric Stephen
Actually, Pierre was asked the move to left right after the season finale, on September 30.
2007-12-12 16:37:17
35.   Jon Weisman
33 - That's what I thought!
2007-12-12 16:37:37
36.   jasonungar07
So if he (JP) would have known a month ago what he would have beggining learning how to throw? Does he ever pick up a paper, I mean baseball knew we were going after a CF'er in October. I didn't really get that statement.
2007-12-12 16:38:14
37.   Eric Enders
The impression I get from Pierre's comment is basically that he would rather Colletti tell him directly "we're trying to replace you" than have the media tell him "they're trying to replace you."
2007-12-12 16:38:38
38.   jasonungar07
sorry 29 etc..I had my post in the que for too long.
2007-12-12 16:39:17
39.   Eric Stephen
Someone needs to cue Charles Laughton!
2007-12-12 16:41:54
40.   Eric Stephen
Which would make Pierre's unhappiness a good thing for us right? Pierre already knew about the move to left for 2 months, so he couldn't have been talking about simply moving positions.

He's getting his playing time reduced, that's the only thing I can take from this. And I want to hug Ned Colletti for it!

2007-12-12 16:43:13
41.   imperabo
Maybe Colletti told him that his consecutive games streak would be coming to an end, and that's what he wanted to be warned about. Or maybe that was just a dream I had. . .
2007-12-12 16:44:39
42.   natepurcell

ZIPS on Kuroda and if he goes to the Dodgers.

The jist....

2008: 180IP 115 ERA+
2009: 176IP 112 ERA+
2010: 172IP 105 ERA+

2007-12-12 16:45:04
43.   jasonungar07
Yes Bizzaro Jerry and his friends got old, plus I counldn't date "Man Hands" either, but I can learn to really like Bizzaro Ned.

"Me so happy. Me want to cry."

2007-12-12 16:46:59
44.   bhsportsguy
Just a thought that comes to mind this time of year.

If you know that you are going to non-tender Hendrickson, why not just release him/DFA him prior to setting the 40 man roster so you could keep someone like Wright around?

On Repko, I agree with Jon, its part of a depth thing plus I believe Repko has options left so you can still keep Young when the times comes.

2007-12-12 16:47:21
45.   natepurcell

2008 15% optimistic: 194IP 3.33ERA 136 ERA+

2007-12-12 16:47:29
46.   MikeB
31 I don't buy-in to the argument that Jones may be wearing out and his numbers from last season are an indicator. He's not that old. I would say his biggest problems are overswinging (trying to hit the home run), and a noticeable weight gain. Both issues can be fixed. If he's in shape and cuts down on the overswinging, I'd play him every game - especially for the dollars the Dodgers have signed him.
2007-12-12 16:50:22
47.   Bob Timmermann
What about the flashing red light on his palm?
2007-12-12 16:50:53
48.   Eric Stephen
44 If you know that you are going to non-tender Hendrickson, why not just release him/DFA him prior to setting the 40 man roster so you could keep someone like Wright around?

Excellent point.

Maybe (and just maybe) they are closer to signing Kuroda than we thought, and his signing is/was the final nail in the coffin for Hendrickson, and that wasn't known/suspected 3 weeks ago when the 40s were finalized.

2007-12-12 16:50:59
49.   GMac In The 909
The plot thickens:

George Mitchell's report on drugs in baseball will finger MVPs and All-Stars, The Associated Press learned Wednesday.
-- rotoworld

Sadly, Pierre has never been an all-star and was only 10th in MVP voting in 2003 and 16th in '04.

2007-12-12 16:51:45
50.   Jon Weisman
I just get the feeling Wright wasn't valued.
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2007-12-12 16:55:05
51.   trainwreck
I knew Lance Carter was on the juice.
2007-12-12 16:55:16
52.   Eric Stephen
Who uses the verb "finger" anymore? That's awesome! I hope an Edward G. Robinson sound-alike will announce the names tomorrow.
2007-12-12 16:55:48
53.   Sam DC
Just catching up with today's posts/threads.

"yhoptions" -- smile.

And new commenters abound!

2007-12-12 16:55:49
54.   Kevin Lewis
I was seriously considering a 12 pack of games in the Left Field Pavilion this year, but if Pierre is out there, I will need to reconsider.
2007-12-12 16:56:32
55.   natepurcell

Based off of ZIPS, Kuroda will be better than Billingsley and Lowe next year.

2007-12-12 16:57:05
56.   Eric Stephen
Well, you'll be safe in the sense that if he decides to go Albert/Joey Belle on you it probably won't hurt too much.
2007-12-12 16:59:44
57.   regfairfield
Based on that and Silver's Fukudome projection, I think we have a little bit further to go when projecting Japanese hitters. He missed Iwamura's slugging percentage by a good 50 points, and I think he did the same for Fukudome.
2007-12-12 17:00:36
58.   MikeB
46 "The only thing you can't have in Logan's world is your 30th birthday. Unless you run away."
2007-12-12 17:01:29
59.   trainwreck
How was ZIPS projection of Igawa?
2007-12-12 17:02:15
60.   GMac In The 909
56 I'm betting he wouldn't be able to clear the wall.
2007-12-12 17:04:03
61.   MikeB
56 Could he throw a ball into the pavilion seats from the LF warning track?
2007-12-12 17:04:39
62.   regfairfield
59 4.77 ERA 135 K/49BB

Matsuzaka: 3.44 ERA 131 K/34 BB

2007-12-12 17:04:48
63.   Eric Stephen
2007 ZIPS for Igawa: 200 IP, 4.77 ERA, 49/135 BB/K

Actual: 6.25 ERA, 37/53 BB/K in 67.2 IP

2007-12-12 17:04:55
64.   natepurcell

4.77 era

2007-12-12 17:05:35
65.   Eric Stephen
62 Quick draw!
2007-12-12 17:07:02
66.   trainwreck
Yeah, so I am not going to be counting on Kuroda to be approaching Billingsley at all.
2007-12-12 17:07:12
67.   natepurcell
i loss because i included a tinyurl link.
2007-12-12 17:08:26
68.   regfairfield
67 But I threw in Matsuzaka as a bonus.
2007-12-12 17:09:40
69.   trainwreck
By the way, thanks for the info all three of you.
2007-12-12 17:09:43
70.   Andrew Shimmin
47- Maybe he'll Renew. . .
2007-12-12 17:14:23
71.   Bob Timmermann

Carousel is a fraud!

2007-12-12 17:15:20
72.   Andrew Shimmin
71- Naw. I've seen people Renew. Plenty of times.
2007-12-12 17:18:21
73.   underdog
Life clocks are a lie!
2007-12-12 17:20:18
74.   StolenMonkey86
"The main thing he got across to me is that he wished he had more of an inkling to our thought process,"
This is where Colletti admits he didn't communicate well with the team.

"He said he just wished he knew a month ago. I didn't know. Who knew?"
This is where Colletti admits he doesn't have a plan.

I don't see any reason to try to read what Juan Pierre was thinking. As for the possibility of shifting to left, I thought that was just the press asking him.

2007-12-12 17:25:24
75.   Robert Daeley
Via Yahoo:

"The Los Angeles Angels declined Wednesday to offer infielder Dallas McPherson a contract for next season, making him a free agent. The decision was announced hours before Wednesday's midnight deadline for unsigned players on the 40-man roster. The 27-year-old McPherson missed the entire 2007 season while recovering from back surgery."

2007-12-12 17:27:47
76.   natepurcell

That is kind of shocking.

2007-12-12 17:28:09
77.   Marty
Jeez, I actually get caught up in work all day and there's like 10 posts to read.
2007-12-12 17:29:56
78.   Robert Daeley
75 Link:

2007-12-12 17:31:53
79.   natepurcell
from Gurnick

Reports out of Japan, however, say Kuroda informed his former manager with the Hiroshima Carp that he had decided to sign with the Dodgers. He gave three reasons: The Dodgers are playing their 50th year in L.A., Joe Torre is the manager and the Dodgers have a better chance of reaching the playoffs than the Mariners, who were his second choice

2007-12-12 17:33:38
80.   StolenMonkey86
From Josh Rawich:

The thing that he kept repeating that stuck out with me is his converations with Ned and Frank in which he said they showed him how much they wanted him and how badly they expect and want to win here.

Badly enough not to play Pierre in left field, I hope.

2007-12-12 17:34:25
81.   fanerman
79 Reason #1 puzzles me.
2007-12-12 17:35:15
82.   StolenMonkey86
81 - Maybe he likes the number 50, or maybe he wants to play in the coloseum.
2007-12-12 17:37:08
83.   fanerman
So, Joe Torre may have prevented a Matt Kemp trade, just by being here.
2007-12-12 17:38:48
84.   Jon Weisman
From Diamond Leung:

"People can think what they want about Juan and the position change, but he's a great guy," said Mark Pieper, Pierre's agent

2007-12-12 17:40:23
85.   natepurcell

Can someone translate agent speak for me please.

2007-12-12 17:41:39
86.   trainwreck
We never had problem with Juan Pierre as a person. We have a problem with his ability to play baseball and rap.
2007-12-12 17:42:08
87.   fanerman
85 I think he's saying that Pierre's "great guy" rating is not weighted by position.
2007-12-12 17:45:34
88.   Jon Weisman
I interpreted it as, "Don't expect Pierre to raise a stink about this."

Now, if he had said, ""People can think what they want about Juan and the position change, and he's a great guy," that would have been funny.

2007-12-12 17:47:23
89.   natepurcell

So what happens when Pierre doesn't start in one random game in April...Then again the next day...and day after that...

2007-12-12 17:48:00
90.   StolenMonkey86
according to the depth chart, Matt Kemp is our starting left fielder and right fielder.
2007-12-12 17:49:48
91.   Marty
I'd love it if Pierre went all Marbury on Torre if he doesn't start, but I'm not expecting it.
2007-12-12 17:50:14
92.   Marty
90 Never under estimate the Bison.
2007-12-12 17:51:18
93.   fanerman
90 We already know that Matt Kemp is such a good outfielder that the infield fly rule applies to him (fact #10). So it is a surprise that he can play two outfield positions at once?
2007-12-12 17:51:43
94.   Bluebleeder87
I don't know if this was mentioned yet but watching Leading Off with "Sterno" Andruw Jones looks a lot like Odalis Perez. (to me at least)
2007-12-12 17:52:55
95.   StolenMonkey86
92 - I don't, I just hope Andruw Jones doesn't get in his way.
2007-12-12 17:53:51
96.   old dodger fan
If Kemp plays LF and RF at the same time does he get two spots in the batting order?
2007-12-12 17:54:09
97.   D4P
People can think what they want about Juan and his lack of ability to play baseball at the major league level, but he's great at Sudoku.
2007-12-12 17:55:56
98.   Ken Noe
79 Kuroda hates Brooklyn.
2007-12-12 18:00:44
99.   Dodgers49
91 I'd love it if Pierre went all Marbury on Torre if he doesn't start, but I'm not expecting it.

Or maybe he'll go all Latrell Sprewell on Torre. I'd pay to see that. :-)

2007-12-12 18:01:09
100.   Eric Stephen
More great news from the SF Chronicle:

Bochy envisions Randy Winn batting third, Bengie Molina fourth and Rowand fifth

Also, not so good news: Sabean declared he wouldn't trade Cain or Lincecum. I'd like to think he declared it in the same fashion as Michael Scott declared bankruptcy.

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2007-12-12 18:03:00
101.   D4P
How these people keep their jobs is beyond me.

Way beyond.

2007-12-12 18:04:03
102.   StolenMonkey86
Or maybe he'll go all Latrell Sprewell on Torre. I'd pay to see that. :-)

A bit harsh, I'd say. I don't wish any harm on Joe Torre.

What I'd pay to see would be Bobby Knight coaching Latrell Sprewell.

2007-12-12 18:04:44
103.   natepurcell

Declaring anything will never be the same anymore after seeing that. At least for me it won't be.

2007-12-12 18:11:15
104.   Gen3Blue
JP really is a good guy, and more exciting than most. In the batters box he is exciting to watch, as he tomohawks balls and gets on base, and it is true that he rarely strikes out. And it is exciting to watch him try to steal second, and wondering if he will make it. It is excitng to watch him track down balls over his head and wonder if he will turn the right way. Watching his attempts to try to get the ball back to the infield by running a few steps forward and other machinations is also very entertaining. I was going to conclude with a rather snide thought that would have negated most of the good, but I won't do it tonight, so I'll leave it at that. Bless the D's.
2007-12-12 18:21:14
105.   Eric Stephen
Also from Gurnick, the Dodgers backup catcher search is down to Damian Miller v. Gary Bennett.
2007-12-12 18:24:07
106.   D4P
Damian Miller is a former All-Star...!

Gary Bennett has a career OPS+ of 64.

2007-12-12 18:25:52
107.   underdog
Man, can't we just have re-signed Mike Lieberthal? Too expensive for a backup? I don't get it...
2007-12-12 18:27:22
108.   Sam DC
97 LOL.
2007-12-12 18:28:05
109.   Dave G
85: Translation of agent speak:
"He's a great guy"
"Don't measure his value in statistics (they're not good), instead measure intangible factors that may or may not help the baseball team win."

Agents are salespeople, and he's selling JP's best point: he's a good clubhouse guy and won't raise a stink about his position change. And with those poor statistics, too-large contract, and one too many "starting" outfielders on the team, he doesn't have any leverage to make a stink anyway.

2007-12-12 18:28:46
110.   Joe Pierre
It looks more & more everyday that the outfield will be: PIERRE LF**JONES CF**ETHIER/KEMP RF IF we pick up Kuroda there is a good chance it will stay that way. I really don't know if Kemp & Ethier are going to like it for too long......But Here we go. I tell you we do have a lot of SPEED.
2007-12-12 18:30:53
111.   Ranma
Tony Jackson is reporting that Hiroki Kuroda is leaving for a non-stop flight from Tokyo to Los Angeles tonight and is set to arrive 9:30 am tomorrow morning. While he poses two possibilities, he thinks it is very likely that he has just made his decision to sign on with the Dodgers.

2007-12-12 18:31:53
112.   Eric Stephen
That was from last night.
2007-12-12 18:33:12
113.   Ken Noe
105 Miller is older, but he has cool multiple personalities, according to Wiki. "Because he is not a member of the Major League Baseball Players Association, Miller's name and likeness do not appear in various baseball video games. In MLB '07: The Show, "Chris Gill" has the same attributes and characteristics as Miller. The same can be said about "Roger Chamberlain" in MVP Baseball: 2005."
2007-12-12 18:33:44
114.   Ranma
111 Nevermind. I didn't notice that that post by Jackson was dated for yesterday. D'oh!
2007-12-12 18:35:37
115.   dzzrtRatt
I'm a great guy, or so people tell me.

I'm willing to work for a lot less than $9 million a year. $2 million would be just dandy. That's how great a guy I am.

2007-12-12 18:40:10
116.   Eric Stephen
2007-12-12 18:40:49
117.   Joe Pierre
Oh I'd like to add, I'm not suprised that Pierre is staying, I knew that all awhile because Colletti only mentioned that other teams mostly wanted Kemp and some asked for Ethier. I never heard Pierre ever mentioned in a trade. It's just that most of us are unhappy with him.
2007-12-12 18:41:33
118.   Eric Stephen
With a goatee, Joba Chamberlain looks like Ricky Gervais.
2007-12-12 18:45:19
119.   D4P
I just watched a video in which Ja(y)son Stark reports that the cost estimates for the Mitchell Report range from $25 million to $60 million.

For 60-80 names.

2007-12-12 18:46:54
120.   Eric Stephen
Cost, as in cost to compile the report? Or cost of potential suspension time lost?
2007-12-12 18:48:16
121.   D4P
Stark also noted that over 5,000 players had played in the MLB since the Mets clubhouse guy starting working in 1985.

60-80 players is what I like to call a single unit of water in a much larger container.

2007-12-12 18:48:40
122.   D4P
Cost to compile report.
2007-12-12 18:49:17
123.   KG16
115 - I'm good with the league minimum plus 15%, that's what, half mil a year?
2007-12-12 18:50:16
124.   Sam DC
That's a pretty whopping big range.

This is a fascinating, and pretty disturbing look at the process used by Mitchell's team. Very worth reading if you are interested in the subject.

A somewhat lengthy excerpt of a much longer piece:

"Expecting their interviews with the investigators to be solution-oriented, at least in part, many strength coaches said they discovered instead that only one thing seemed to matter to the questioners: the names of players that the coaches thought were using steroids.

"One coach said he recalled an investigator asking him outright to guess. "The problem was, what did they want us to say?" said a team trainer who was interviewed by Mitchell's investigators in 2006. "They wanted us to speculate. And I wouldn't do that. They wanted me to say who I thought was using steroids. And when I said, 'I don't know,' they would say, 'Well, you work most closely with these guys. You work on their bodies every day. You weren't the least bit suspicious when you saw their bodies change?'

"This was the kind of stuff I was most afraid of, because they didn't ask me about specific people with specific information that they had. They asked me to guess. I said my guess was no guess at all, because what would happen to me if I said a guy was using steroids who wasn't? What if I guessed wrong? Then my name is out there, I get fired, and I'm easily replaceable."

"As the investigation unfolded, the interviews took on a consistent shape. Those present, in addition to the interviewee, included one to three of Mitchell's investigators, a team attorney and, according to some sources, a representative from Major League Baseball. Interviewees were told they could have a private attorney present. According to sources, the interviewers read from a prepared script, and investigators offered little in terms of follow-up questions. It is unclear if any of the interviews were taped.

"As spoke with baseball people interviewed during the investigation, a common theme emerged: Investigators, while generally cordial, often revealed an alarming lack of knowledge regarding the day-to-day workings of baseball. Instead of focusing on the elements of the game that might make drug use appealing, investigators asked surface-level questions such as which players suffer from back acne and who underwent the most dramatic body changes. One interviewer, for example, read off a list of players and asked the interviewee to say if he believed the player could have used steroids. No questions were asked, the source said, about the root causes of steroid use.

"They didn't ask us those things because they didn't have the level of sophistication about what we do," said a National League strength coach. "They didn't know the right questions to ask. At no point in my interview did anyone say to me, 'What can we recommend to make sure this never happens again?'"

"According to one manager's account of his interview, the questions were pedestrian, almost naïve. Sometimes, he said, the exchanges were heated. "I didn't go in there with a lawyer because I didn't have anything to hide," the manager said. "They asked me if I'd ever seen anyone do steroids. I said no. They asked me how I thought the players' bodies got so big, and I said the players were in the weight room day and night, so it made sense to me. Then he said to me, 'Well, don't you know that steroids combined with weightlifting can make you even bigger?' He said it to me like I was dumb, so I said, 'No, I didn't know that.'"

2007-12-12 18:50:39
125.   StolenMonkey86
122 - I'd remark on this, but that would be a rule 5 violation.
2007-12-12 18:51:17
126.   Eric Stephen
Sweet Sassy Molassy!!!


2007-12-12 18:58:59
127.   Eric Enders
So basically what George Mitchell is saying is that he has in his hand a list of 60 card-carrying members of the Steroids Party who are nonetheless allowed to keep playing major league baseball?

Why, let's just string 'em up from the nearest tree. Who's with me?

2007-12-12 19:01:41
128.   StolenMonkey86
127 - If you want steriod user Christmas ornaments, then put them up in your house. I think that's weird, personally.
2007-12-12 19:02:31
129.   D4P
And how much of the $25-60 million went into George's pockets?
2007-12-12 19:03:13
130.   Eric Enders
They are bigger and stronger than normal ornaments!
2007-12-12 19:03:16
131.   Bob Timmermann
The Mitchell Report was written by a team of medieval scribes and will actually be more of an illuminated manuscript. Each copy will be leather bound and hand-sewn. Every player who is mentioned it will have his autograph in it. All the paper is authentic Egyptian papyrus.

The scribes also used the MS Word spell check program.

2007-12-12 19:04:32
132.   Eric Stephen
Most of the cost is probably due to the fact that Mitchell uses glossier paper than Scott Boras.
2007-12-12 19:06:19
133.   Eric Stephen
The range is quite large, isn't it? $25 million is obscene enough, but there's a big difference between $25 & $60 million.

I predict Andruw Jones will hit between 25 and 60 HR in 2008.

2007-12-12 19:08:31
134.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 131

Wouldn't the material be made of vellum, then? :)


2007-12-12 19:11:42
135.   still bevens
"I believe the team has the power potential to score in different ways. And it has the added factor of speed with [Rafael] Furcal and Pierre on top providing a different dynamic. How many teams have the speed to steal bases with the top two and have five possible with 20 homers?"

Anyone care to speculate where Torre would bat Pierre in the order?

2007-12-12 19:12:23
136.   Bob Timmermann
They can't use vellum because I've already cornered the vellum market.
2007-12-12 19:12:24
137.   El Lay Dave
100 I like this part, for multiple reasons:

Bochy was frustrated last season with older players who reported for work with aches and pains and declared they could not play. They view Rowand as the complete opposite, and Rowand said he told Bochy during their meeting in Las Vegas, "One thing I can promise you, I'm going to show up every day and play. I'm not going to take days off. I'm going to play whether I'm bruised up or not."

2007-12-12 19:14:21
138.   El Lay Dave
131 and gilt-edged.
2007-12-12 19:14:33
139.   Bluebleeder87

I was wondering too my self, were is underdog. probably busy ah?

2007-12-12 19:16:01
140.   El Lay Dave
While being a bit snarky about Canadian Music Thoughts (BTO), I let the occasion pass without ensuring that Diana Krall and k.d. lang be mentioned. I have now corrected that omission and humbly apologize for the oversight.
2007-12-12 19:16:11
141.   Eric Enders
Pierre Batting Order Odds
(these odds are for entertainment purposes only and are subject to change without notice)

1st - 4:1
2nd - 3:2
3rd - 1,000:1
4th - 5,000:1
5th - 1,000:1
6th - 150:1
7th - 10:1
8th - 3:1
9th - 150,000:1

2007-12-12 19:22:39
142.   Zak
141 I'd put $10 on those 9th spot odds.
2007-12-12 19:22:46
143.   El Lay Dave
141 "... subject to change without notice"

e.g., following a trade to the Chicago White Sox.

2007-12-12 19:24:27
144.   LogikReader

If someone gives you 150,000:1 odds on ANYTHING, you take it. If John Mellencamp wins an Oscar, I'm going to be very rich.

2007-12-12 19:25:06
145.   oklahomadodger
132 -
actually scott boras is the mitchell report's agent. he obtained a huge amount of money for an overrated report
2007-12-12 19:25:27
146.   StolenMonkey86
141 - I'll put a penny on each.
2007-12-12 19:25:33
147.   MikeB
From the useless trivia dept:
The Dodgers (82-80) and Giants (71-91) brought up the rear in the NL West for just the second time since division play began in 1969.
2007-12-12 19:27:19
148.   Eric Enders
Clearly I would never make it as an oddsmaker, having overlooked the games we'll be playing in AL parks.
2007-12-12 19:34:36
149.   KG16
148 - I assume this is for starting line up position? Because, checking the game log from last year, Pierre actually did not start all 162 games, he only started 160, so he could, in the right circumstances come in and hit in the 4th spot.

And by "right circumstances" I mean a small plane fell on Andruw Jones who was batting 4th on a day that Pierre was not starting.

2007-12-12 19:36:26
150.   KG16
oh, and I'd put a couple bucks down on both 9 and 4.
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2007-12-12 19:36:46
151.   MJW101
Sounds like the Mitchel Report was a Federal Government project gone bad. It appears that some of the projects I worked on may have used the same clueless investigators.
2007-12-12 19:43:29
152.   still bevens
To borrow a meme:

I am shocked, shocked to discover that Congress is only interested in naming names and pointing figures rather than actually understand and solve a problem.

2007-12-12 19:54:03
153.   underdog
139 Oh, yah, busy with work blue, though I've still been around here. Just can't keep up with all the activity as of late!

131 But will it be available on the Amazon Kindle?

2007-12-12 19:59:40
154.   Bluebleeder87

Congrats on Lo Duca Sam DC...

2007-12-12 20:11:35
155.   Bluebleeder87
The Dodgers have only spent 88 million this year & we're looking pretty good, that's got to be encouraging.
2007-12-12 20:15:52
156.   Eric Stephen
So far the Dodgers payroll is at $97.75m, and figures to be in the $115-$120m range if Kuroda is signed.
2007-12-12 20:19:31
157.   Suffering Bruin
Folks, are not looking at the bright side here?

We did NOT sign Rowand for 5yrs/mucho dolares. I swear the Giants are going to play a game with four outfielders.

2007-12-12 20:19:42
158.   ChicagoDodger
I realize it has been discussed before, but now he's officially been non-tendered.

Anyone think it's a good idea to sign Prior to a deal? $3.5 million with club options for 2009 & 2010?

Does the reward outweigh the risk?

2007-12-12 20:25:24
159.   MC Safety
Just pretend Jason Schmidt is Mark Prior.
2007-12-12 20:26:05
160.   natepurcell
Colletti said he's never seen Kuroda pitch in person, adding: "But the right people have seen him. What do I like about him? He's a good pitcher. He has some of the great attributes we admire in a pitcher."

Way to answer that question there Ned.

2007-12-12 20:27:39
161.   Sam DC
It's the PR background, Nate.
2007-12-12 20:27:59
162.   Dodgers49
>> His agent, John Boggs, said Andrews expects Prior to be ready for the Major Leagues in mid- to late May, but told the Chicago Sun-Times on Tuesday that "if you want to be conservative, tack a few months onto that."

That means Prior may not be ready until the All-Star break, and that's the risk the Cubs didn't want to take. <<

2007-12-12 20:29:08
163.   immouch
sorry to ask a dumb question late in the party, but have we actually signed kuroda? if not, do our fait accompli-style postings run the risk of looking as goofy as the baltimore boards where they fret if getting kemp, loney, kershaw, martin, broxton and, say, ned's dog for bedard would be "worth it"?
2007-12-12 20:30:27
164.   StolenMonkey86
159 - Ha.

I just sponsored Jason Schmidt's B-R page.

2007-12-12 20:32:17
165.   ChicagoDodger
159 Or they could have both! Older pitchers like Schmidt & Prior who have the kinds of abilities those two had are alot like propsects. They may not all pan out, but if you have several, maybe 1 does? That being said, it's not like they would have to give Prior $40+ million like they did Schmidt. Obviously, at some point, the cost out weighs the potential of the reward.

All I am asking, is $3.5 million that poiint?

2007-12-12 20:32:54
166.   immouch
if it were my team, or i were ned (not a pleasing idea, by the way), i'd sign prior and colon to cheap, incentive laden contracts and hope one of the two pans out. i realize it's whack, but fiscally less insane than three years for a 33-year-old pitcher who, ned admits, he's NEVER SEEN?!? (whoops, is ALL CAPS one of the deadly sins on this board? if so, sorry. if not, it should be. I feel like the Unabomber. Jeesh.)
2007-12-12 20:35:01
167.   Bluebleeder87
At work theres a free starbucks coffee machine & I tried it for the first time today, man, I got all jittery (I rarely if ever drink coffee) I'm not gonna touch it anymore plus it smelled funny too. The machine makes the coffee right there & then with the coffee beans on top of the machine (pretty cool to watch) but it didn't taste to good & it got me jittery.

ps the sales people drink that stuff all day long smoking too, ugh!!

2007-12-12 20:36:24
168.   ChicagoDodger
162 That's why you tempt with the up-front money, and demand the club options (2009 & 2010) be included. Signing Prior would not necessarily be for 2008, though he could be of some help in the 2nd half.
2007-12-12 20:36:50
169.   MC Safety
I wouldnt have minded seeing what Colon had in the tank if we didnt have Loaiza.
2007-12-12 20:39:33
170.   MC Safety
168 We have Kershaw, Elbert, McDonald for the second half.
2007-12-12 20:40:15
171.   ChicagoDodger
170 And added depth is a bad thing?
2007-12-12 20:43:38
172.   GMac In The 909
171 Ned, is that you?
2007-12-12 20:43:38
173.   ChicagoDodger
170 If Prior were to even come close to returning to his old self, would Billingsley, Kershaw, Prior, Elbert, and McDonald really be a bad rotation in 2010?
2007-12-12 20:43:48
174.   MC Safety
[171} Not at all. We also have Houlton, Kuo, and Stults. For 3-4 million, I just dont see it happening.
2007-12-12 20:44:53
175.   ChicagoDodger
172 Ned, I certainly am not. If I were, you can bet that Juan P. would be gone by now!
2007-12-12 20:45:25
176.   Andrew Shimmin
167- Coffee and tobacco are the hallmarks of civilization.
2007-12-12 20:46:30
177.   ChicagoDodger
174 I agree it probably doesn't happen. Just asking if it would make sense. I mean, Pierre probably doesn't get traded either. That doesn't mean him being traded doesn't make sense.
2007-12-12 20:46:34
178.   StolenMonkey86
175 - It's ok. People have accused me of being Bill Plaschke before.


That's not me.

I don't know how people ever got that idea.

2007-12-12 20:47:48
179.   Andrew Shimmin
I don't know how people ever got that idea.

If you were really Plaschke, you'd blame some black guy for it.

2007-12-12 20:49:39
180.   xaphor
171 . We could pull a Micah and play Penny in left field.
2007-12-12 20:50:16
181.   MC Safety
Trade Juan Pierre?

With those skills at the top of the order?

Have you gone mad?

2007-12-12 20:51:12
182.   StolenMonkey86
179 - Nope, and Russell Martin is the only reason I'm not blaming Canada, because Russell Martin rights 99.9% of all wrongs.
2007-12-12 20:52:11
183.   Andrew Shimmin
Word count on the ESPN Mitchel Report Report is 7209, by the way. A little longer than the TNR retraction, the other day. C'mon big media guys; can't you cut out a couple of verses, and only sing the chorus every other time through?
2007-12-12 20:52:20
184.   StolenMonkey86
With those skills at the top of the order?

He did the pitcher's job at the plate better than any pitcher last year.

2007-12-12 20:53:16
185.   ChicagoDodger
I just don't see $3.5 million as being that big an obstacle to locking this guy up for essentially 3 years if they could do it. The potential is still there, and if it ever returned, the $3.5 million would look quite wise.

But then, I would have signed Blair too!

2007-12-12 20:53:43
186.   StolenMonkey86
183 - TNR?
2007-12-12 20:58:18
187.   Andrew Shimmin
The New Republic. They retracted a story the other day. At great length.
2007-12-12 21:02:29
188.   Bluebleeder87
according to some sources (DodgerDugout dot Com) we signed Mike Koplove today? any truth to that? I remember him from his D-Back days, is he still any good?
2007-12-12 21:03:02
189.   MC Safety
If in fact Pierre is our LF, I hope he comes in with a chip on his shoulder.

JP's goals for '08:

1. Hit 3 homers.
2. 40 bunt singles.
3. 5 bunt doubles.
4. Gun a runner down at the plate.

2007-12-12 21:05:17
190.   Jon Weisman
188 -
2007-12-12 21:07:59
191.   Jon Weisman

Tony Jackson:

The Dodgers might have severed ties with left-handed reliever Mark Hendrickson, declining to offer him a contract before the deadline and thus rendering him a free agent. But the club still can re-sign him, and the move was made simply to avoid going through the arbitration process with Hendrickson, who went 4-8 with a 5.21 ERA this season while making $2.925 million.

As a five-plus player, Hendrickson stood to make between $3.5 million and $4 million through arbitration.

``We discussed with his agent (Joe Urbon) bringing him back at a different rate of pay, and he declined,'' Colletti said. ``We can still bring him back if the situation lends itself to both of us.''

2007-12-12 21:10:10
192.   Bluebleeder87
I just looked at Koplove's #'s he's been hit or miss the last few years, hopefully he'll stick with the Dodgers, I remember him being very serviceable with the D-Backs.
2007-12-12 21:10:25
193.   Eric Stephen
Fun stat of the day:

Outfielder Assists, 2007
Andruw - 3
Pierre - 4

2007-12-12 21:10:52
194.   natepurcell
TJ still thinks Kuroda is signing with the Dodgers.

2007-12-12 21:11:20
195.   natepurcell
Jon wins.
2007-12-12 21:12:47
196.   Andrew Shimmin
If Hendrickson came free with an 8+ gallon fill-up, and I was out of gas, I'd put in seven gallons and then top off down the road somewhere.
2007-12-12 21:15:27
197.   GMac In The 909
196 Does said down-the-road place give free hot dogs -- complete with ketchup and yellow mustard -- for top offs? If so, I'm in.
2007-12-12 21:16:44
198.   Ranma
Count me in on taking a flyer on Mark Prior. Yeah, it's a risk, but a relatively inexpensive one when you consider the money guys like Loaiza, Silva, and rest of the mediocre lot are making nowadays. Some thing has got to be said for knowing how to pitch effectively as well as having the physical ability to do so.

I have no doubt that Prior has impeccable knowledge on how to approach batters, so I'm willing to take a chance on his physical recovery. This sentiment actually mirrors my optimism for Jason Schmidt's recovery.

2007-12-12 21:23:02
199.   Andrew Shimmin
197- I stand corrected. Coffee, tobacco, and gas station hot dogs.
2007-12-12 21:30:23
200.   ToyCannon
I expect over 12 teams will find out what it will cost to take a flyer on Mr. Prior. He won't be begging for suitors.
Could he be the next Chris Carpenter?
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2007-12-12 21:32:24
201.   MC Safety
He might have impeccable knowledge when it comes down to approaching batters, but it comes down to being able to throw a baseball first. Fernando Valenzuela is probably impeccable in that regard too, but he just cant throw a baseball very fast anymore.
2007-12-12 21:32:55
202.   Bumsrap
What might be said if Kemp were to hint that he doesn't want to play left field?

If Kuroda, Billingsley, Penny, Schmidt, Loaiza are doing really well at the end of May and Kershaw, Elbert, and MacDonald are dominating and showing command, would the Dodgers trade Lowe?

2007-12-12 21:38:32
203.   Gen3Blue
Taking a chance on guys like Schmidt and Prior over Loaiza and Silva is a no brainer.
Both could pitch better with their off-side arm than the latter mentioned two.
2007-12-12 21:41:31
204.   BruceR
202 Hopefully, Kemp doesn't drop said hint around the newly returning 2b guy.
2007-12-12 21:42:08
205.   Sam NYC
202 -- I think Loaiza would be a better bet to be traded in that scenario.
2007-12-12 21:42:36
206.   imperabo
193 Extra bases taken on:
Pierre: infinity
Andruw: less than infinity
2007-12-12 21:44:16
207.   Brent Knapp
202 Why would Matt Kemp be playing left field?
2007-12-12 21:44:27
208.   Bluebleeder87
It's gonna be fun watching all the spring training invitees duke it out for a roster spot, I can't wait...
2007-12-12 21:47:12
209.   Sam NYC
Okay, okay, I think anybody reading this blog gets it: you all hate Pierre as a baseball player. I do, too (I once compared him to herpes here). But can we move on? Can we please stop with the incessant whining about Pierre?
2007-12-12 21:47:12
210.   KG16
202 - what would you trade Lowe for in that scenario? Other than Pierre in the starting line up, I don't see any holes on the roster that need filling - and the Pierre issue can be solved by moving him to the bench and putting Ethier in left.

And really, long term, where are the Dodgers trouble? Center field? Second base? Maybe Shortstop, if Hu doesn't work out?

2007-12-12 21:49:22
211.   KG16
209 - as I said in 210, being that Pierre is the wink link, as it stands today, he's going to be the thing that is harped about until it's fixed.
2007-12-12 21:49:42
212.   natepurcell

Probably not.

The only compensation we are going to get is in the form of 2 draft picks most likely.

2007-12-12 21:59:57
213.   natepurcell
Otsuka was non tendered...
2007-12-12 22:00:08
214.   Ranma
201 That goes without saying, but like I said, it's a risk. Still, I guess it's good to be reminded every so often to keep things in perspective. However, taking a chance on Prior is one I'd prefer over having Loaiza on the roster at his current salary.
2007-12-12 22:06:13
215.   trainwreck
If he is over his injuries then he would be a good get. Better than Seanez.
2007-12-12 22:07:07
216.   Gagne55
ZiPs predicts pretty good things from Kuroda in 2007.

2007-12-12 22:11:29
217.   das411
Sorry, but I just couldn't leave this quote from the last post hanging without fixing it:

"Why do the Dodgers even give serious consideration to having Repko on the team? Because he can sort of play CF? He isn't a very good player, hasn't played in a year, and is dangerous to the other players around him. Yes, birds too!"

209 , I can catch up on DT much faster now that I just skip any comment as soon as I see one magic word. 2005's was Ch-i, '06s was the now-departed Hendrickson, and guess what 07s word was/is?

2007-12-12 22:12:31
218.   Sam NYC
211 -- I get that. I really do. But I look at the Dodgers lineup right now and I'm really happy. We have a potential lineup of seven guys that can hit 20 home runs, four starting pitchers that can win 15 games, a bullpen that should be one of the best in the league, and a farm system that's still deep. And so we're going to spend the next four months complaining about ONE guy? What a colossal waste of time and energy.
2007-12-12 22:21:23
219.   68elcamino427
It's like a chant, give it time.
2007-12-12 22:33:51
220.   GMac In The 909
218 What a colossal waste of time and energy.

You don't have to be so negative. :)

2007-12-12 22:36:35
221.   D Money
it seems to me everyone is forgetting that Colletti isn't the one who makes up the lineup.

Colletti gives Torre the players but Torre gives the players the PT.

we have NO idea what Torre's view on a player like JP is. he may LOVE him or he may be itching to bench him.

2007-12-12 22:37:32
222.   Michael D

The beatings will continue until moral improves.

2007-12-12 22:37:50
223.   Michael D
I meant morale.
2007-12-12 22:38:33
224.   Andrew Shimmin
Why stress out about one hair in your soup? It's just one hair! Think of all the people who'd be happy to have such a lovely cup of soup, even with that hair.
2007-12-12 22:38:59
225.   Dodgers49
The White Sox don't seem to be considering the guy no one here wants to talk about. :-)

Williams silent as options dwindle

>> Through all the carnage, the Sox still don't have a proven center fielder or left fielder, have two third basemen, and no veteran leadoff hitter.

The hope now is that Boston does not trade Coco Crisp to Minnesota for Johan Santana, and the Sox can make a deal for the speedy center fielder. Angels speedster Chone Figgins could also be on the radar, but Williams won't make a deal just to make one. <<

2007-12-12 22:41:28
226.   D Money
"So if he (JP) would have known a month ago what he would have beggining learning how to throw?"

i wish he would have learned how when he started playing baseball. or at least when he got to the dodgers.

2007-12-12 22:54:59
227.   D Money
i suspect Torre can throw down... he is old school.
2007-12-12 23:20:48
228.   Benaiah
224 - I get the metaphor, but the hair in the soup is pretty gross. Sure, plenty of people would eat the soup even if there was a hair in it, but they would take the hair out first. That is why will forgive Coletti, we can deal with the soup we just want the hair out of it.
2007-12-12 23:50:30
229.   dzzrtRatt
224 Reminds me of Andy Rooney's much-criticized comment about female sideline commentators for football broadcasts. Something like: I like a woman's hair. I like butter. But I don't like a woman's hair in my butter.
2007-12-12 23:52:57
230.   Sagehen
225 "The White Sox don't seem to be considering the guy no one here wants to talk about."

Do you mean, he who must not be named?

2007-12-12 23:57:07
231.   68elcamino427
"but he's a great guy"
2007-12-13 00:21:30
232.   ibleedbloo
How long until Hendrickson signs with the Padres? My guess would be Monday morning, at the latest.

Bob will have a week worth of Griddle posts with Hendrickson and Chris Young on the same team.

2007-12-13 00:29:01
233.   D Money
193 i pointed that out about a month ago....JP's assists match hunter's, jones' and rowand's the last few years. but i'd put it to the fact that WAY more people run on pierre...
and, even a blind squirrel will find a nut once in awhile.
2007-12-13 01:12:20
234.   D Money
kemp will never play left.....left is either pierre or ethier.

and no we wont trade lowe.

2007-12-13 03:54:45
235.   ishXdavid
How do you guys feel about taking a flier on Mark Prior?
2007-12-13 05:50:16
236.   Bumsrap
The Rockies are still interested in Hendrickson.

Boss to subordinate: I just gave you a $40M+ Gizmo and you decide all by yourself to not use it. I know what I am going to tell my boss, but I am curious what you want to tell your boss. Oh, one more thing, I sorta promised Gizmo that it would be used everyday.

2007-12-13 06:26:09
237.   Ken Noe
232 236 Don't count your chickens yet. According to Tony Jackson, NedCo may try to resign Lurch at less money.
2007-12-13 06:34:30
238.   Connector
I can catch up on DT much faster now that I just skip any comment as soon as I see one magic word. 2005's was Ch-i, '06s was the now-departed Hendrickson, and guess what 07s word was/is?

LOL, I do the same thing, 217 .
I'm of the "accentuate the positive" school, myself. What I'd like to stress this December is how full-of-potential the 2008 Dodgers are looking. I can't wait for Spring Training.

2007-12-13 06:50:04
239.   Connector
...and boring, too.
2007-12-13 06:54:32
240.   StolenMonkey86
What if Hendrickson and Eckstein sign on the same team?
2007-12-13 06:59:49
241.   Terry A
240 - Then said team will likely be substantially worse than it was before. And its team photographer might quit.
2007-12-13 07:19:55
242.   Vishal
236 are you saying pierre is a gremlin?

hey, that might actually be a good metaphor.

2007-12-13 07:21:04
243.   Vishal
236 are you saying pierre is a gremlin?

hey, that might actually be a good metaphor.

2007-12-13 07:27:58
244.   Vishal
sorry for the double post. bad connection.
2007-12-13 07:28:46
245.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2007-12-13 07:30:10
246.   Andrew Shimmin
I would not be opposed to the Dodgers' turning Pierre into a female sideline commentator (especially if it was on the radio side, only).
2007-12-13 09:16:11
247.   Robert Daeley
Hair in the soup or no, if you spend the next six months in the restaurant bemoaning the hair and pillorying the chef, it's going to get old.

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