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Dodger Thoughts, June 7:
"This is a game of adjustments," Jeff Kent told Tony Jackson of the Daily News after Monday's game. "You just continue to adjust, no matter how long you play. The other guys get you for a while, and you try to figure out why. When you do, you get them. You just try to be as consistent as you possibly can, but it's never going to happen. I just tried not to worry too much."In the few days since this post, Choi has hit six home runs, including a game-winner off a lefty Friday and one, two, three today. Thanks, man! What do you say - should we take a chance on this guy?So simply, the phenomenon of the streak hitter is explained. The difference between a streak hitter and a bad hitter is simply the ability to adjust.
That's why some of us have found it frustrating when a player like Hee Seop Choi stays on such a short leash - at least before Olmedomania/Saenzsteria took over. It's hard to ask a manager to sit a hitter as hot as Olmedo Saenz. Fair enough. But separate from that issue, when Choi goes into a slump, many people decide that he's hopeless at the plate. Period. This is inexplicable to me, since he seems so clearly a streak hitter, who has had good streaks every year of his young career to go with his bad, who does make adjustments. The adjustments seem to come slowly because he rarely plays three games in a row, but they do come. Over a full season, he is more than a bargain - he is an asset.
Last night in the game chat, there was a discussion of how eager many of us are to defend Choi at every step. The fact is, the guy merits the defense. Not because he is so great. Not because we are blind to his flaws. Choi is not the greatest first baseman in the game, and for the immediate present, he might not be the greatest first baseman on his team. This point is easily conceded. But he remains a good player in the present and one still likely to get better. That's exciting. Anyone who still cringes when he comes to the plate is missing the boat.
This ends up being a pretty good week for the Dodgers to play some designated hitter games - surprising with all their injuries, led by Milton Bradley and Cesar Izturis. The Dodgers can continue playing Choi and Saenz in the same lineup for several days. If neither cools off, well, you've got a heck of a nice situation on your hands. Just remember - a cooling period for Choi doesn't mean the world has ended.
My congratulations to ESPN's Baseball Tonight for managing to sneak in its first mention of Choi's three-homer game - no tease, no anything preceding - 19 minutes into their highlight show. Only six minutes after some timely analysis of the fact there are three Molina brothers in the bigs.
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Sunday brought another nice game for D.J. Houlton, whose eight strikeouts indicate his ability to get out of jams, some of his making, some of his defense's and some of the sun's. We'd rather he got into fewer jams to begin with - but that's Step 2.
As happy as it was to see Houlton complete six innings, I have to reiterate my belief that this season, the Dodgers should pinch-hit for a starting pitcher if he is only going to go one more inning maximum.
... going into a game, if your starting pitcher's ERA is roughly the same as the middle relievers' ERA, by the time the sixth or seventh inning of a close game rolls around, fatigue is likely to have made your starter less effective than your middleman. Let me say this again: The starter who was a better pitcher than the reliever when the game began, who was a better pitcher than the reliever in the second, third, fourth and fifth innings, in most cases goes from better to worse as the game enters the final innings.I think it's important to bring this up in a game in which pretty much every Dodger did his job, to show that the philosophy is important even when ignoring it works.So the bargain you strike when you let that starter pitch in the late innings - trying to eke out another effective inning from the guy who has already thrown five to seven, trying to spare your bullpen an extra inning of work, is like blowing your bubble gum past its breaking point. Your starting pitcher might not make it through his next inning, you'll have to go to your bullpen anyway, and you're facing a larger deficit - one sticky mess. If you sacrificed a pinch-hitting opportunity in the process, call up Don Rickles so that he can add the perfect insult to your injury.
With the game over, we're all happy that Houlton made it through six innings. But in the bottom of the fifth, the chances of us being happy with the game over would have been better if the Dodgers had hit for Houlton (with a runner on and one out, no less). Is a sixth inning of Houlton - and nearing 100 pitches, there wasn't going to be a seventh - worth giving up a scoring opportunity in a one-run game? (No more than it's worth it for third-base coach Glenn Hoffman to send Jason Grabowski around third to try to score with the ball already in leftfielder Lew Ford's glove and red-hot Choi on deck.)
Let me also reiterate that using your second-worst relief pitcher (Giovanni Carrara) as your first reliever out of the pen in a close game, less than a day after he has thrown 20 pitches, is not a good decision when better choices are better rested and there's an off day Monday, no matter how short an outing you intend for Carrara to have.
Hit for Houlton in the fifth Sunday, and you had Duaner Sanchez, Kelly Wunch, Yhency Brazoban and Eric Gagne (with a combined five pitches thrown Saturday) to get you through the final four innings. Then, if you need a fifth pitcher, you can go to Carrara - or Franquelis Osoria, for that matter. Carrara does not need all this work.
Not trying to be a harpie after a victory. Just trying to be consistent. This, after all, was a feel-good day. It was Choiday, after all. Again.
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2005 NL AB/HR Leaders
(Min. 2 HR)
8.4 W. Pena
11.3 T. Clark
12.6 A. Dunn
13.0 H. Choi
13.2 D. Lee
14.1 C. Floyd
14.2 A. Pujols
14.3 J. Grabowski
14.4 M. Ensberg
14.5 B. Abreu
14.5 J. Cruz
14.5 R. Fick
14.6 M. Alou
14.8 P. Burrell
14.9 O. Saenz
15.0 A. Jones
15.1 R. Sanders
15.3 C. Lee
16.1 P. Wilson
16.3 T. Glaus
16.3 T. Greene
16.5 C. Delgado
16.6 C. Utley
16.7 L. Niekro
16.8 D. Ward
16.9 D. Easley
17.4 J. Kent
17.5 J. Edmonds
17.9 A. Ramirez
18.0 J. Garcia
18.0 R. Klesko
18.1 F. Lopez
18.5 E. Perez
18.8 J. Drew
18.8 M. Bradley
19.2 J. Repko
19.7 T. Pratt
19.8 D. Mohr
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I neglected to mention Jeff Kent's sprinting catch of the ball Choi lost in the sun. The ball would have landed fair and cost the Dodgers two runs. This will sound like typical West Coast petulance, but I'm gonna say it anyway: If Derek Jeter makes that play, that's in the opening montage of SportsCenter.
"Call him Three-Seop Choi."
Plagiarism!
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=250612119
GO BLUE!
Ravech doesn't provide much analysis, but that isn't really his job, and Kruk is truly useless, but I think Reynolds has always done a good job serving as the ex-player POV on BBTN. The problem is that when they use the Ravech-Kruk-Reynolds crew, the only thing you get is the old-school littleball POV--the well-spoken version from Reynolds, and the Ron Dibble-numbskull version from Kruk. In all due honesty, that's why I hardly watch BBTN anymore. I only caught the last five minutes or so.
WWSH
Okay...? Gotta love Morgan.
Sanchez's outing breakdown (32 total):
0 ER - 23
1 ER - 5
2 ER - 2
3 ER - 1
4 ER - 1
Gio's outing breakdown (29 total):
0 ER - 19
1 ER - 7
2 ER - 3
Those numbers don't mean that much without the innings, but Sanchez has thrown up a zero in his outings a higher percentage of the time (72% vs. 66%).
ESPN is killing time now before the next Sportscenter starts, and one of the things they chose to talk about was Choi's 3-HR game. I'm still not tired of watching the open-mouthed, jumping-of-their-chairs-so-fast-they're-tripping, reaction of the fans behind home plate to the third one. They also showed Choi and Bradley mugging around in the dugout. Awwww.
Jackson blew up again today and I doubt he'll turn around this season. If we didn't call up Mahomes when Derek was called up I don't think we ever will.
http://tinyurl.com/c9kp2
The conclusion is that the Dodgers don't stack up because they only have one previous 100-RBI contributor on the team (Jeff Kent).
Despite hitting six homers in 3 games, Choi didn't set the record for most homers in 3 games. Shawn Green has it with 7, helped of course by his four homer game at Milwaukee.
The most home runs in four straight games (with the player homering in each game) is 8 by Ralph Kiner.
The record for home runs in five straight games (with at least one in each game) is also 8 by Frank Howard and Barry Bonds, who both had two overlapping streaks with 8 home runs.
If you stretch it to six games (again with a home run in each game), then the mark is 10 also by Frank Howard.
The OSU right fielder dropped a fly ball to set up the 9th inning rally.
I hope this is not too much of an off-subject post, but, as much as the game was great; I particularly loved Kent's game-saving catch in front of Hee Sop when he clearly didn't have a clue where the ball was, and the uproarious boos when Radke was taken out just before Hee Sop was about to hit his fourth (I can dream) off him.
What I found really off-putting was at least a half-hour of introductions of various youth groups and do-gooders; it seemed to go on and on. The ads all over the stadium I guess are supposed to lead to an acquisition of an Oswalt or Sheets at the deadline, but they are off-putting as well. The music is terrible, the announcer pronouncing Werth's name in a ridiculous tone all makes me wonder whether paying $75 to go to a game is better than watching at home. I also don't get to listen to Scully's call of the game.
I will die being an avid Dodger fan, but as beautiful as Dodger Stadium is, and as fun as this game was, I am going to wait a while to go again.
The game is at Corvallis, although USC is the home team for this game.
I think most would concur with you about the ads and the music and the PA announcer, but they've been introducing groups over and over again for as long as I've been going to games.
I just ignore those for the most part. Unless I happen to know somebody, which I think has happened once.
"For many fans, however, the audio-video blitzkrieg is part of the fun. 'Loud? It could never be too loud,' says Dan Sbur of Riverside, a 44-year-old math teacher who has been attending Angel games since he was 6."
It says "for many fans," but I'm wondering how close "many" is to meaning "at least one"
OSU hasn't been to Omaha since 1952.
When the Dodgers play in Kansas City, it will be the first regular season game in that city for the Dodgers franchise since 1889, when the Brooklyn Bridegrooms/Dodgers played the Kansas City Cowboys. Retrosheet is down so I don't have the exact date. But since Brooklyn won the pennant in the AA that year and Kansas City went 55-82, I'm thinking that Brooklyn likely played well.
As for the long intro of the do-gooders I actually enjoy that. Its not like it delays the game and it is usually a thrill for the people on the field. Moreover, they have done something good and deserve thier moment of recognition.
Brendan- I caught a glance of TEAM DEPO right as Choi walked to the plate to face Mulholland. Your face was chopped a bit but it was hard to miss the orange logo. Thanks for the airtime- now tell us how you scored the seats.
Great bit on Sportscenter- in their Choi reel they incorporated the H-S-C chant acapella without the canned ESPN music behind it.
"My problem is I watch too many pitches," he said. "The batting coach, Tim Wallach, he changed me. Now I don't think about the count. I'm more aggressive."
The on-base percentage-conscious DePodesta might prefer that Choi meld the best of both approaches and mix in a walk now and then. He hasn't drawn one since May 15."
I think this is slightly worrisome. While Choi obviously has had a terrific weekend, while we are on the subject of adjustments, I think that Choi's patience will be key in overcoming whatever adjustments pitchers make to him. That's one of the main reasons why high walk rates are associated with high power rates, because the ability to work the count in your favor is vital to force pitchers to throw strikes and maybe make a mistake that lands the ball in the seats.
I guess I'm just worried that while we all know Choi's latest streak is bound to end sometime, I suspect the landing will be a lot softer and the rebound a lot quicker if Choi can keep drawing walks and showing plate discipline.
Please note Post #1 from Friday's game. I ate Eel for lunch in honor of Choi, and he hits two home runs including the game-winner.
Today, I ate Eel again, in honor of Choi. And he has a three-homer game.
Conincidence? Almost certainly. Nevertheless, I'm taking credit. Hee and I are eel-eating monsters. I must now eat eel every day.
Hard to complain about 4 first-pitch homers this weekend. But we're at 59 at-bats waiting for the next Choi walk. He still seems to lay off bad balls, just not 4 of them at a time. I'd be much happier seeing Choi with a .380/.490 line than a .330/.560 line.
AZ is 6-13 going back to May 24th. Their 6 wins include 12-11, 5-4, 10-8, 4-3 and 12-11. They look baaaaaad, but still 6 wins over their 27-36 pythag record.
Sportscenter just ran their "Top 10" segment.
Three walk-off home runs were in the Top 10: David Bell (Phillies), Cliff Floyd (Mets), Marlon Anderson (Mets).
No Choi walk-off, no Choi 3-HR game. No mention of Choi's 6 HRs this weekend.
"Sometimes, I think too much," said Choi. "I watch the video and Minnesota pitchers throw a lot of strikes, [and] no walks. I don't want to take. I want to swing."
That's a really important point, since Jon is talking about the adjustments players make. Going up to the plate with the intent of walking against Radke and Silva certainly wasn't going to help his cause. And as big pointed out, it's not like he's swinging at bad pitches. He's still laying off the bad ones, but he's swinging at (and hitting) the good ones earlier in the count. My guess is that he'll get back to walking as pitchers start to pitch around him.
(Vin's been doing the weight/height thing alot lately).
So, I watched all of the UT game. Yes, Hochevar has pitched alot. And figures to do so until the series is over.
Missed the first Choi game, and so ended up caving and got Extra Innings, in time to see a loss. But then I got to see ALL of yesterdays game. I thought it was a great game. The sun was clearly a prob, but that catch by Drew, after the catch by Hunter, the save by Kent, Houlton getting out of so many jams.
Jon, I'd love to see the stat comparison you did for the whole team done between just Saenz and Choi now. Man, I hope Milton gets back soon. This is going to be an interesting road trip.
Hey, who was that wearing the Team Depot shirt pretty close up behind the plate?
Secondly, maybe I'm just slow at catching on, but it seems Tracy will use Gio in situations if he anticipates a critical lefty AB so he can use Wunsch and bring in Duaner after that? I mentioned that in the yesterday's game thread when that thought struck me.
Finally, sandwiched and overlooked somewhat between the walk-off and the tri-HR game is a shot that nearly cleared the rf pavilion. Amazing.
Yeah, I'm sorry too, Radke. If he was mad, rather than relieved, then you know his very first pitch would've been a "I dare you to hit this one out" fastball up the middle. LOL
If Choi had hit 4 home runs in four tries, four consecutive pitches, then maybe he would've made ESPN's top 10. Then again, maybe not.
Ever since the Dodgers added the extra security, the games I've gone to have been very pleasant. Not as many beach balls, not as many fans chanting "somebody" sucks. Much more of "let's go Dodgers" which I prefer. All in all I haven't felt uncomfortable in weeks and again look forward to going to the games.
Soon to say good bye to Erickson and hello to Dessens. It is always sad when you see the last days of a long time major league like Erickson but he has been crap for years and should have retired long ago.
Congrats to Mike Rose on his first and probably only big league hit. At least he can say he got one.
I don't know what kind of bug Jon had but he sure has come back with some great writing.
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&did=milb&t=g_box&gid=2005_06_12_breafx_vbdafx_2
Then Orenduff threw a shutout in the 1st game.
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&did=milb&t=g_box&gid=2005_06_12_breafx_vbdafx_1
Could be that Brevard County is just a terrible team but a double header with two
shutouts is always cool.
Re: Choi's approach at the plate and the prognosis for a soft landing. Obviously something's gotta give. I haven't seen the book on Choi, but I'm reasonably sure it says to try to get ahead in the count. Blame the Twins then for not making the adjustment after, say, his second or third first-pitch bomb. Suffice to say, though, that if this or anything like it keeps up, a league-wide adjustment to Choi is forthcoming. If patient Choi doesn't reemerge at that point, he might be in for some trouble. I also think that a batter saying that he's got it all figured out now, is a lot like me saying that I've got my golf swing perfected. Unlikely to be true, and, at the least, best left unsaid.
I think it was the second game in '01 with the Giants in town. He was brought in with the score reasonably close to face Bonds, who took him deep, probably on the first pitch. The Giants then proceeded to bat around in the inning and go up by 10. When Bonds came up again, Mulholland, still in the game, walked him on 4 pitches. Cause, you know, Bonds was liable to put SF up 11.
I track every single one of Choi's plate appearances for my blog (http://choicentral.blogspot.com/) and I also found his postgame comments a little worrisome. The last two pitches that Mullholland threw were probably balls, but for the most part Choi rarely swings at balls. In fact, there was only a brief time where he was swinging at balls out of the zone which happened to be during the second slump. I heard he said he was maybe a bit overconfident after getting his average over .300. I have to believe that some of this is the result of hitting second. He's seeing an awful lot of strikes and putting the ball in play, which lowers his walk total.
There WILL be a league-wide adjustment, I'm sure. Pitchers will tempt him with off-speed stuff out of the zone and probably try to get him out with sinkers down and in as well. I hope Choi can stay patient. We'll see.
The fact that he worked a 3-1 count off Mullholland to begin with, with the fourth home run so tantalizing, I take as a good sign. Choi is never going to eliminate his strikeouts, and his strikeouts aren't always going to come on fastballs down the middle.
vr, Xei
The Dodgers are 7th in the MLB in OPS. The Rotation is 19th and 23rd in Opp. OPS and ERA. Bullpen is 24th and 19th in Opp. OPS and ERA.
Just based on that it's pretty clear that the Rotation is the weakest aspect (Gagne returning will inevitably raise the bullpen ranks). DePo's even said he'd go after a starter first.
So unless Werth is packaged to get a top starter, I don't see him leaving.
What's interesting is DePo's quotes on extending Weaver. If the Dodgers extend Weaver they'll have 4 guys locked up at top dollar for 06 and 07. I'm guessing thats not the balance they want in the rotation of top dollar to minimum salary guys. If so, that may limit the starters the Dodgers can aquire as some of them ask for multi-year extensions (see RJ, Hudson).
Then again, after last year's Heart & Soul transplant, maybe Werth and Weaver get packaged for Zito... who knows.
As far as the trades go, pure speculation of course. I'm not advocating trading anyone making close to the minimum putting up his numbers.
"Austin has a LONG volatile history with the Reds. He was not HAPPY with where he was originally assigned when drafted. (Not many fans know this) Pretty good first season in the minors. Reds Brass goo gooes all over him, fills him with wonder. He played well in Chattanooga until he hurt his hand/thumb. He was PO'd at the team for how they handled the hand/thumb injury. (laying more groundwork) THEN in ST he blew up on Tim Naehring for being assigned to Chattanooga instead of Louisville. I remember Jim Bowden somewhat kissing his butt but Naehring royally lighting him up that morning. Kearns sulked away. As a matter of fact he was MIA for a day.
Kearns played well and eventaully made the Reds roster. He worked hard, took advice and showed progress. Almost out of nowhere he went into a SLUMP and was again PO'd that he had to go back to the minors (AAA). (I'm mean REALLY who do you think you are sending ME down?) Lick Old Labia! Austin has always had his way.
The front office pumped him full of accolades and pleasantries. NOW that he has grown INTOLERABLE to many he's talking about "stuff" that keeps happening to him or is said about him.
I remember being in Louisville's clubhouse and watching him sulk. He would barely speak to me or ANY of his fellow teammates. Finally Raul Gonzalez, Chris Sexton and Ruben Mateo went off on him. I thought Austin was going to cry. Some people have said to me "Well look who was yelling at him, career minor leaguers" True. That's the best part. A more talented whining kid sulking in AAA. That really does not go very far with guys who DO bust their butt to get a taste of what he has. I also remember Kevin Witt chiming in with "You need to take that God$#*% skirt off and start acting like a man" That's harsh but it was the truth. He played well that night and was recalled the next day because of an injury. He never fully learned his lesson.
Austin and Adam are really in the same boat. Adam is close to MONSTERDOM but refuses to put in the time and effort. I personally think Austin has more talent. Better speed, better ARM, better defense and truthfully a better bat. He certainly does not have Adam's power.
(People think Palmeiro is a power hitter. He'll be the first person to tell you he hits "Wall Scrapers") He told a group of us in ST, halk joking, that he had 376 power as he was pointing to Right Center which was 375. (I'll take 550 of those please)
Austin simply thinks he ALREADY put the hard work in. It's a shame. What's even worse is that the Reds do not have a manager to get the best out of these two. "We'll try harder tomorrow" is not the speech or the "what for" these young guys need. Two edge sword.
My personal relationship with Adam and Austin has been a bit fractured BECAUSE I have brought this up. MANY TIMES. There are SO MANY people filling their heads with BS that they just don't see the reality of the situation. Eventually they will but how many WASTED years do we all have to wait? Let's hope that the lesson begins today."
Of course, who else?
It was Shawn Green.
#63 - I am all for going after Zito. Aside from a couple of bad starts, it seems he has pitched well this year. Also a change of scenery and not having to be the ace may do him some good.
With the emergence of DJ Houlton and Thompson and with Dessens coming back and OP right around the corner I don't think the number one need of this team is a starting pitcher.
Penny/Weaver/OP/Lowe/DJ or Thompson or Dessens. With Billingsly/Broxton waiting in the wings for a August callup it would seem silly to trade for some 5th starter unless we go out and get an Oswalt.
Number of pitchers appearing at least once in a BA Dodgers Top Ten List: 30
Number of pitchers suffering significant shoulder injuries: 3 (Gonzalez, Miller, and Foster)
Number of pitchers suffering significant elbow injuries (TJ): 6 (Osuna, Diggins, Dreifort, Gagne, Kuo, Rojas)
Number of pitchers suffering unknown injuries: 1 (Ashworth)
Here is the raw data for each prospect along with the Number/Year they were BA prospects:
Alfredo Gonzalez - 7/2003
Signed as an amateur free agent in 1997. Currently pitching in Las Vegas. Missed the end of 2003 and most of 2004 with shoulder problems.
Antonio Osuna - 2/1995
Signed as an amateur free agent in 1991. Signed the White Sox as a free agent in 2001. Only pitched 23 innings in 1999 due to season-ending elbow surgery.
Ben Diggins - 1/2001, 4/2002
First round draft pick in 2000. Traded with Shane Nance to Milwaukee for Tyler Houston in 2002. Had Tommy John surgery in 2003.
Chad Billingsley - 6/2004
First round draft pick in 2003. Currently pitching in Jacksonville.
Chad Ricketts - 10/2001
Acquired from the Cubs along with Terry Adams for Ismael Valdez and Eric Young in 1999. Traded with Luke Prokopec to Toronto for Paul Quantrill and Cesar Izturis in 2002.
Chan Ho Park - 3/1995, 2/1996
Signed as an amateur free agent in 1994. Signed by the Rangers as a free agent in 2002. Shut down with back problems in 2003 through the first half of 2004.
Darren Dreifort - 1/1994
First round draft pick in 1993. Currently rehabbing at home in Kansas. Had first Tommy John surgery in 1995 and second in 2001. Including these two, he has had 14 operations as a member of the Dodgers.
David Yocum - 7/1996
First round draft pick in 1995. Never made it to the major leagues. Wasn't able to find any history on him. Injuries?
Dennys Reyes - 4/1998
Signed as an amateur free agent in 1993. Traded with Paul Konerko to Cincinnati for Jeff Shaw in 1998.
Edwin Jackson - 3/2003, 1/2004
Sixth round draft pick in 2001. Current pitching (poorly) in Las Vegas. Missed a month in 2004 with a strained forearm.
Eric Gagne - 2/2000
Signed as an amateur free agent in 1994. Currently the best closer in the majors. Missed all of 1997 after Tommy John surgery.
Felix Rodriguez - 9/1995, 9/1996
Signed as an amateur free agent in 1989. Selected off waivers by Cincinnati in 1996. Injured himself exiting the shower in 2005.
Greg Hansell - 8/1995
Acquired from the Mets along with Bob Ojeda for Hubie Brooks in 1990. Traded with Ron Coomer and Jose Parra to Minnesota for Kevin Tapani and Mark Guthrie.
Greg Miller - 2/2004
First round draft pick in 2003. Currently rehabbing in extended spring training. Missed all of 2004 after having two shoulder surgeries.
Hong-Chih Kuo - 3/2000, 3/2001, 6/2002
Signed as an amateur free agent in 1999. Currently pitching in Vero Beach. Has missed most of the past 4 years recovering from two Tommy John surgeries.
Jeff Kubenka - 10/1998
Thirty-eight round draft pick in 1996. Selected off waivers by Arizona in 1999.
Joel Hanrahan - 9/2002, 8/2003, 5/2004
Second round draft pick in 2000. Currently pitching in Jacksonville.
Jonathan Figueroa - 2/2003
Signed as an amateur free agent in 2002. Currently pitching in Vero Beach.
Jose Parra - 6/1994
Signed as an amateur free agent in 1989. Traded with Ron Coomer and Greg Hansell to Minnesota for Kevin Tapani and Mark Guthrie.
Jose Rojas - 8/2002
Signed as an amateur free agent in 2002. Where is he now? Missed most of 2002 and the beginning of 2003 after Tommy John surgery.
Kris Foster - 10/2000
Acquired from the Expos for Rafeal Bournigal in 1995. Traded with Geronimo Gil to Baltimore for Mike Trombley in 2001. Missed most of the 2000 season due to shoulder surgery.
Kym Ashworth - 8/1994, 10/1995
Signed by the Dodgers in 1993. Selected by Detroit in the AAA/AA rounds of the Rule V draft in 1998. Missed the 1997 season due to injury.
Luke Prokopec - 6/1999, 5/2001
Signed as an amateur free agent in 1994. Traded with Chad Ricketts to Toronto for Paul Quantrill and Cesar Izturis in 2002.
Mike Judd - 3/1998, 3/1999, 6/2000, 6/2001
Acquired from the Yankees for Billy Brewer in 1996. Traded to Tampa Bay as part of a conditional deal in 2001 and then selected off waivers by Texas the following day.
Onan Masaoka - 8/1996, 6/1997, 6/1998, 9/1999
Third round draft pick in 1995. Traded with Gary Majewski and Jeff Barry for James Baldwin in 2001.
Ricardo Rodriguez - 1/2002
Signed as an amateur free agent in 1996. Traded with Francisco Cruceta and Terry Mulholland for Paul Shuey in 2002.
Rick Gorecki - 4/1994, 7/1995
Nineteenth round draft pick in 1991. Selected by Tampa Bay as the 40th pick in the 1997 expansion draft.
Steve Colyer - 4/1999, 9/2000
Second round draft pick in 1997. Traded with cash to Detroit for Cody Ross in 2004.
Ted Lilly - 7/1997, 5/1998
Twenty-third round draft pick in 1996. Traded with Peter Bergeron, Jon Tucker, and Wilton Guerrero for Carlos Perez, Mark Grudzielanek, and Hiram Bocachica in 1998.
Todd Williams - 1994
Fifty-fourth round draft pick in 1990. Traded to Oakland for Matt McDonald in 1995.
Top Ten: 28
Shoulder: 3
Elbow: 5
Unknown: 1
Fearing Blue you are amazing. Great work. I noticed a few pitchers who weren't on your list that we've lost but then I realized they never made the BA top prospect list.
I can't imagine them trading Adam Dunn and who knows if what something someone said on a blog has any basis in reality and even if it does the major leagues are probably full of productive egotistical brooding morons.
http://www.stevenkwagner.com/seinsoth.htm
I was a kid when he was at SC, but remember reading a lot about him.
Grins. As is the blogosphere, except for the "productive" part.
That's a story this old timer doesn't remember. I remember the Angels having serious bad luck with prospects dying in accidents but not the Dodgers.
That Vegas road has killed lots of people. Guy I went to High School with, was killed on it while in High School.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Sharperson
That's what I was thinking Steve. If anything, send an average prospect to the Reds for Kearns, then hope either he or Werth gets hot and package them in a deal for a top starter with the hopes that the other OFer can step in adequately.
And if you can't trade for a top pitcher, there's nothing wrong with adding to your strength (hitting) by trading for Dunn. The Cardinals last year seemed to get through with an A+ lineup and B+ pitchers. Dunn would fit perfectly in the 5 hole. And from that great chart Fearing Blue provided us, trading a hot but not elite pitching prospect seems to work out almost all the time.
As for Choi's platoon splits, he has 71 plate appearances against LHP over the last 3 seasons. 71! 11 BBs and 3 HBPs, and 57 other ABs. So yeah, his .507 OPS vs. LHP is a lot worse than his ..814 against RHP, but I'd say it's not really this big a difference, if only he'd get more chances. Yeah, Friday's was his first HR vs. LHP this year, but it was only his 18th PA for the season.
As for lineup construction, I thought James or someone had shown that it really doesn't matter much - that "protection" in the lineup is a myth, especially for good hitters. If batting second really does mean more fastballs, then that's only gonna matter for a guy who can only hit fastballs. Good hitters will adjust to whatever they get. I think it's more likely in the small-sample case of Choi this year that he is more relaxed hitting 2nd, knowing that a single or a walk is fine with good hitters still to come, whereas he was pressing more hitting 5th, and especially 7th, figuring he was the last chance to put up runs that time thru the lineup. Not that that would be a systematic effect on all hitters, but that on a young guy playing under so much scrutiny, it might have mattered.
On an unrelated note, can a Rule V player be traded? I'm not trafficking in Dodger-talk level craziness. I'm just curious. If so, would that team have to keep him on the roster the entire year? And finally, was the last Dodger Rule V player (before Houlton) Chad Fonville, or were there others in between? (McKay Christensen?)
imagine a lineup that has choi-bradley-dunn-kent-drew hitting 2-6. that's unstoppable. and pretty LOOGY-proof.
The other thing about Werth is that taking the luxury of learning more could be great (we could find out that he's very good while he's still very cheap), but it could also be bad (he could play away good expectations and lose market value). If we find out that he's Brian Jordan-lite, then we'd better find out before everyone else does, or he won't be Werth much in a trade. OK, I apologize. That was lame.
"I'm not sure why we would need to trade for [] carbon copies of our [] players."
I prefer this order: Dunn, Bradley, Drew, Kent, Choi
Pipe dreams, certainly.
You can't trade a Rule 5 pick to a team other than his original team. The Dodgers could work out a trade with Houston for Houlton if they wanted to keep him around.
I believe with Nunez that the Dodgers drafted him from one team and then put him on waivers. San Diego picked him up and then the Padres had to keep him on the roster for the whole year, which they did for the rest of 2001. Nunez was on the Padres briefly in 2002. The Dodgers drafted Nunez from the Mets.
Fonville was a Rule 5 pick for the Expos, who decided they didn't want him and the Dodgers picked him up and kept him around for the rest of the year.
Why that was so is unknown.
Kearns 2003 OBP -- .364 OBP .819 OPS
Kearns 2004 OBP -- .321 OBP .740 OPS
Kearns 2005 OBP -- .306 OBP .700 OPS
Better than your average .220 "rashly"-type hitter, but there's quite a regression there from '02 and '03, and with decent if not optimal (200+ AB) sample sizes. I hope this will trigger a discursion from FB about BB/K or OBP regression in a young MLB prospect.
But I will say that I don't care if he kills kitties and wears them as hats if he can hit.
.252/.313/.358 2 HR 23 RBI
I do not remember Jose Nunez.
Jason Grabowski " -- 10
Grabowski is also a former Rule V pick of the Oakland A's, which is tremendously exciting, I know.
He had a 3.31 ERA for the Padres the rest of 2001 in 56 games.
I think he hurt his arm after that. He was in the low minors in 2003-2004. He was last in Seattle's organization. He's only 26.
He was pitching for Los Rieleros de Aquascalientes earlier in the year, but they seem to have let him go.
They have a loud website.
Turns out I was right.
Ryan Langerhans
Wilson Betemit
Andy Marte
and when the score got out of hand they added Brian McCann.
They may struggle for a while but it looks like the Braves are reloading. Marte is the top 3b prospect in baseball and McCann is in the top 3 for catchers. Johnson and Langerhans don't look to be anything special but should be an upgrade on Jordan/Mondesi. Nice job of Atlanta to have these guys ready.
I had the direct opposite reaction. I loved his name and hoped he'd be good because I loved saying Bo Ca Chi Ca.
It's Rule 5, not Rule V, according to Baseball America.
Here's a link to a great blog entry that goes step-by-step through Kearn's injury history:
http://tinyurl.com/a5ymu
It's the "Short history of Austin Kearns" entry.
"...the Brewers picked him up in the Rule 5 Draft, and sold him to the Rockies."
There could be a distinction between trading and selling a Rule 5 draft pick.
But in NFL terms, I was XXVI.
It was June 4.
https://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/189545.html
Some dance to forget
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh...
Obviously not much, but did anyone actually witness this abortion of good taste?
Thanks.
Candiotti was an ESPN guy for a while.
I can't find any stats for this on The Baseball Cube, but I know I'm not making this up.
Bob?
Was Olmedo on the ballot?
No clue on Gagne...
At the All-Star Break in 1992, the Dodgers didn't really have anyone who could fit in. I think Candiotti had a really bad record at the break.
Karros didn't that quick of a start. Kal Daniels was the starting first baseman for the first week or so.
The last article I tracked down on him was one from spring training 2000 in the Washington Post. The Orioles brought him in for a look. One of the other outfielders in camp for the Orioles that spring: Jayson Werth.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/allstar/voting
But if Bob couldn't find anything I don't know...it's a good story, anyway.
A Bigger Unit?
At 6 feet 5, Billy Ashley isn't as tall as the 6-foot-10 Randy Johnson, but at 250 pounds he is definitely wider.
And the former Dodger figures to be an imposing--and
intimidating--figure on the mound, which, at times, is where he will be as Ashley tries to reestablish his career as either a pitcher or outfielder with the St. Paul Saints of the independent Northern League, it was learned Wednesday.
Ashley, 28, was released by the Tampa Bay Devil Rays at the end of spring training after being released by the Boston Red Sox at the end of the 1998 season. His signing with Mike Veeck's Saints, a sort of halfway house for players trying to extend or reestablish careers, is expected within days.
In confirming the arrangement, agent Jeff Moorad said Ashley had discussions with several major league teams about joining their triple-A affiliates--one of those teams being the Angels, according to a source--but "Billy was looking for an opportunity to showcase his ability to as many teams as possible, and the Saints also offered the opportunity to pitch, so he'll be on the mound every five days."
"People may not know this, but when Billy was drafted by the Dodgers [in the third round in 1988], he was considered the second-best pitching prospect in Michigan, behind only Steve Avery. The Dodgers, in fact, were the only team, among those that expressed interest, to view him strictly as a position player. The element of pitching has long intrigued Billy, and what better place to see if he can do anything with it?"
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So it looks like Ashley may have tried pitching in 1999 but when he came back in 2000 with the Orioles he just tried as an outfielder.
May 20, 1999, L.A. Times
Abstract:
And the former Dodger figures to be an imposing--and intimidating--figure on the mound, which, at times, is where he will be as (Billy) Ashley tries to reestablish his career as either a pitcher or outfielder with the St. Paul Saints of the independent Northern League, it was learned Wednesday.
Thanks Bob, now I can go back to feeling better about myself.
interesting.
Derrek Lee .377/.462/.693 17HR 53RBI
And Saenz has started at 3B six times, so a little of the C-S composite is overlapping. I bet the Cubs would love to have Lee bat twice each time throught the lineup.
18 HR, 47 RBI, .296/.366/.579 .945 OPS
Regarding Kearns, how about trading Edwin Jackson for him? The Reds were into him a long time ago, and reportedly offered Dunn for him 2 offseasons ago. Gee, good thing we turned that down. Anyways, Kearns for Jackson does make a little sense in that both teams have abundence of players at their position. Kearns is basically the 4th OF in Cinci, and I'm wondering with Lowe, Penny, and Perez signed for a few years and plenty of pitching prospects moving ahead of him, whether Jackson can ever really be expected to make LA's rotation. While we're at it, throw in one of our nineteen infield prospects if we have to.
I like Werth, but I like Kearns more. I also like have spare quality OFs on the bench. Particularily with all three of Drew, Bradley, and Werth not exactly being the most durable of players.
"good old fashion challenge trade"
....there, now it's complete.
"If you play Olmedo Saenz every day you'll break him or you'll fatigue him to the point he won't be effective,"
-Jim Tracy
Plus we might ruin his approach against southpaws.
Did you see the big guy pitch?
My Olmedo is really sore this morning.
Izturis
Choi
Drew
Kent
Bradley
Saenz
Werth
Phillips
Perez
Just to confirm, though, I don't suppose retrosheet would say whether it was towel night?
We need him up first to keep the opposing pitchers off-balance!
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