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Nomar Encore
2006-09-24 16:37
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Less than two months ago, it appeared that Garciaparra had either priced himself out of the Dodgers' future plans or would grab a big chunk of salary to remain. Barring a heroic finish to the season, Garciaparra now stands to merely attract another one-year contract with incentives or a two-year deal at affordable rates. A three-year deal would seem out of the question.
- Dodger Thoughts, "Nomar No More?" September 10

Aye, mateys, it's been a pretty heroic week for Nomar.

But I'm not here to talk about 2007. I'm here to talk about your bumbling, stumbling Dodgers, who still haven't given up the ghost in 2006. However many easy wins they're not getting, they're still getting enough the hard way. If Friday's game was a third-down conversion, today's came on fourth down. And the drive is still alive.

Hard to complain about Brad Penny when Hong-Chih Kuo has been a September gift from the gods. As for the decision to let Oscar Robles bat in the ninth with the game on the line, all I can say is, like Grady Little must have, I had suspended rational thought. I was believing, though I shouldn't have been. I was hoping against the odds for magic. And it came ... eventually.

Philadelphia and San Diego have dominated the week, yet they haven't shaken Los Angeles yet. That's the spin I'm using.

* * *

The Final Seven (Minus One)
DayDateSan Diego (83-72)Los Angeles (82-74)Philadelphia (82-73)
MondaySeptember 25at St. Louisoff vs. Houston
TuesdaySeptember 26at St. Louisat Coloradoat Washington
WednesdaySeptember 27at St. Louisat Colorado at Washington
ThursdaySeptember 28at Arizonaat Colorado at Washington
FridaySeptember 29at Arizonaat San Franciscoat Florida
SaturdaySeptember 30at Arizonaat San Francisco at Florida
SundayOctober 1at Arizonaat San Francisco at Florida

If Philadelphia finishes ahead of a tied Los Angeles and San Diego, there would be a tiebreaker game for the National League West title in Los Angeles on October 2.

If San Diego finishes ahead of a tied Los Angeles and Philadelphia, there would be a tiebreaker game for the NL Wild Card in Philadelphia on October 2.

If Los Angeles finishes ahead of a tied San Diego and Philadelphia, there would be a tiebreaker game for the NL Wild Card in Philadelphia on October 2.

If San Diego and Los Angeles finish tied ahead of Philadelphia, San Diego would be the NL West champion and Los Angeles the NL Wild Card.

If all three teams finish tied, San Diego would play at Los Angeles to decide the NL West champion October 2, and the loser of that game would go to Philadelphia to decide the wild card October 3.

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2006-09-24 16:41:24
1.   Greg Brock
The last week of a pennant race. Time to stock up on Maalox, beer, and coffee.

Diabetes, here I come.

2006-09-24 16:52:17
2.   Gagne55
First Comment!!! :D
2006-09-24 16:53:38
3.   Uncle Miltie
From the other thread:
391- Loney is far too slow to play CF and might even have trouble playing a corner outfield spot, though he did play LF/RF briefly at Vegas. Best case scenario: Dodgers offer Nomar arbitration; he declines and signs with elsewhere, Kent is traded, freeing up $11.5 million, and the Dodgers make a play for Jose Castillo. Betemit could become a super utility player like Bill Hall. If healthy, Andy LaRoche should be given every opportunity to win the 3B job. Next year's possible infield (with # of at bats)

James Loney 450
Olmedo Saenz 100
Jose Castillo 400
Wilson Betemit 400
Rafael Furcal 600
Andy LaRoche 450

Not sure if there are that many at bats to go around, I'm just estimating.

I expect Kuo to make another start. I'd like to see both Kuo and Billingsley make a start this week rather than have Maddux pitch on three days rest. Maddux hasn't pitched very well this month, so I don't see any reason why he should make more than 1 start. Would Mad Dog be willing to come out of the bullpen? Lowe has been the Dodgers best pitcher for the last two months, so he definitely deserves 2 starts.

2006-09-24 16:54:17
4.   Gagne55
Sorry, Brock, I didn't see yours. 0:-]

Wow. Three contenders all have to go on the road to finish the year. Please, San Deigo, collapse.

2006-09-24 16:54:52
5.   Bob Timmermann
Matt Albers is now listed as the starter for Houston tomorrow in Philadelphia, not Jason Hirsh.

Randy Wolf, the pride of El Camino Real High, will be flinging for the Phils.

2006-09-24 16:55:22
6.   Greg Brock
4 Didn't have the heart to tell you.
2006-09-24 16:57:18
7.   MMSMikey
3 - are you talking about the castillo on the pirates? thats 4 for his last 70 or something?
2006-09-24 17:00:20
8.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres will not face Carpenter in St. Louis.

Right now, the schedule says: Suppan, Reyes, and Marquis. Presumably La Russa is trying to set up Carpenter to get two starts in the playoffs.

2006-09-24 17:01:05
9.   D4P
6
James Ingram, is that you?
2006-09-24 17:03:24
10.   Greg Brock
9 It's the last thing I want to do.
2006-09-24 17:05:36
11.   Greg Brock
9

Man fingers soul singer in first post fiasco.

2006-09-24 17:10:29
12.   bhsportsguy
3 Again, LaRoche is going to have the dreaded torn labrum surgery according to yesterday's notes so that may play into whatever plans the Dodgers make. Since Ned and Jeff have a strong history, I would be very surprised if he traded him and I would also be surprised if anyone wanted him at his price.

Just got back from the game, spent the first 4 1/2 innings up in the Stadium club, which really should offer something more than brunch at that price but it kept us in the cool for a while, came down in time to see the Dodgers score their first run.

I have watched Kuo pitched twice during this homestand, he has struck out 16 in 12 1/3 innings and he has had pretty good control. Again it is too early to start summarizing this season but as Jon said in his post, Kuo maybe the piece that bridges us from Chad and himself to Elbert, Kershaw, etc. If Kuo becomes a legitimate contender for the rotation next year, it makes the search for a true number one (Schmidt or Zito) a lot less desperate but if they get one those guys and can scrape up some bullpen guys, it should make next year much more settled in the beginning than we were this year.

2006-09-24 17:11:05
13.   D4P
11
I can't respond, at least, not the way you want me to...
2006-09-24 17:17:03
14.   bhsportsguy
BTW, Carpenter is due to pitch on Tuesday, that would line him up for some work over the weekend unless they need him to pitch again and still set up him to open up for the playoffs. Carpenter is 5-0 in his last 8 starts at home and has a league best 1.36 ERA at Busch.
2006-09-24 17:19:45
15.   JoeyP
I missed pretty much all of the Dodger game bc of the Rams, but its nice to see Nomar give the Fan Appreciation crowd a going away present.

I dont see the Dodgers catching the Phillies (Nationals and Marlins seem dead) so I think the best thing to hope for is for the Cards to knock around the Padres and to hope the Dodgers can make up 2 games over the last week.

2006-09-24 17:21:08
16.   MMSMikey
i think someone out there would take a chance on kent, i know hes pricey, but sometimes teams look more at how many years than how many millions, and kent only has 1 year left on his deal, which would make him attractive, maybe.
2006-09-24 17:21:25
17.   Bob Timmermann
14
Ahh, I skipped ahead one page on the probable pitchers there.

That makes more sense.

The Padres magic number is 6. The Cardinals is 5. There's not a lot of time left.

2006-09-24 17:23:07
18.   D4P
There's not a lot of time left

It seems like only yesterday we were rooting for the likes of Danys Baez and Lance Carter. Oh wait, that never happened...

2006-09-24 17:24:14
19.   Bluebleeder87
8

The Cards have great hitters so i'm hoping they hit S.D. hard.

2006-09-24 17:26:16
20.   dzzrtRatt
I'm sitting in Starbucks trying to rescue the contents of my laptop's dying hard drive, following the action on Yahoo! during the moments when this balky hard drive didn't freeze up. So I'm hoping today's game will be re-run tonight on cable so I can see the 9th unfold.

Did Nomar do these kinds of things for the Bosox?

Interesting, except for the Phils makeup game, all three contenders are on the road all week. I guess this is the only real mystery left for the season, apart from the seedings. Unless the Cards or A's stage an epic collapse.

2006-09-24 17:27:38
21.   Bob Timmermann
I still like calling the Padres, Phillies, and Dodgers the Andy Ashby Division, because, like Andy Ashby, the three teams are only apparently good.
2006-09-24 17:28:24
22.   JoeyP
I might be more apt to count on Kuo for the 2007 rotation than Billingsley. Kuo's got everything going right now. They let him throw 100 pitches today against a lineup of pretty decent hitters and he shut them down.

I'd be confident pitching Kuo in the last game of the season, if it came down to it.

2006-09-24 17:30:27
23.   Greg Brock
The Andy Ashby Division is an inspired Monicker.
2006-09-24 17:30:28
24.   JoeyP
21. Didnt Andy Ashby pitch for all three of those teams too?
2006-09-24 17:32:44
25.   willhite
Anybody know what Kuo's ERA is as a starter? I know it's a small sample size but I wouldn't be surprised if he's been our best starter, ERA-wise, during that period.

If not, he's certainly number 2 behind Lowe.

2006-09-24 17:42:01
26.   Linkmeister
20 If Prime Ticket's graphics are to be believed, Nomar had only 7 walkoff hits in his career prior to today. So he's had nearly as many for the Dodgers in one season as he did for the Bosox in several.

Of course, the Bosox had a slew of guys who could do it before Nomar was needed.

2006-09-24 17:43:49
27.   Benaiah
25 - Even with that 5 ER game that I think Dessens is more or less responsible for, I bet Kou is in the top two for starter ERA over that period.
2006-09-24 17:44:03
28.   bhsportsguy
25 2.59 ERA , 24 1/3 IP, 7 ER, 20 H, 7 BB, 29 K. 3 quality starts (with an ERA under 1).
2006-09-24 17:47:07
29.   bhsportsguy
28 He was still hitting the low 90s with his fastball in the 7th, he threw an unhittable 90+ fastball on the outside part of the plate to get a strikeout that inning.

I am really impressed and I think if he and Chad, remember Chad is only 22, can get some rest and come out strong next spring, we should be able to really throw out a quality starter each time out. And they will be fun to watch.

2006-09-24 17:54:16
30.   JoeyP
Yeah thats a good point about their arm strengths. I wouldnt be opposed to shutting Billingsley down so he doesnt get a sore arm until the season is over.

As for Kuo, fatigue shouldnt be a huge factor bc he really hasnt thrown many innings during his injury plagued career. I think the Dodgers have themselves a good one!

2006-09-24 17:54:59
31.   twerp
Good (but long) feature on Martin==

http://tinyurl.com/mpp4b

2006-09-24 17:55:07
32.   Robert Fiore
At least we get rid of that damned half game tomorrow.
2006-09-24 17:56:03
33.   willhite
29 -

Vin said he threw a curve which came in at about 60 mph. If he can go from a low-mid 90's fastball to a 60's curve, he'll be virtually untouchable.

They should have him spend some time in Spring Training with Koufax so he can master that slow curve.

2006-09-24 18:00:21
34.   PDH5204
2527 I don't know the starter ERA, but I do know that Kuo's problem was with the walks. Prior to today, his ERA was > 4.00 [4.70?], but yet his opposing BA was at .240, which is the best among the team's starters [and third only to Broxton's .221, and Saito's .176]. It was the walks per inning pitched that were killing him.

Billingsley otherwise leads the starters in ERA. I otherwise have to laugh, since for the year, well, Hendy's in the doghouse, but over the year, his ERA is 4.29. Penny's is 4.21. Apparently, Hendy has merely been mediocre, while Penny got his 16 wins via a good 1st half, and some timely hitting [for him] during his post All Star drop off the table [as it were][with his post All Star ERA approaching 6.00]. Among the starters, Penny "leads" the team in highest opposing BA, at .276 [Hendy is at .269].

2006-09-24 18:01:09
35.   bhsportsguy
33 I think that curve slipped but it the gun showed 56 mph.
2006-09-24 18:12:03
36.   Bob Timmermann
24

There's a war on metahumor.

2006-09-24 18:25:55
37.   Louis in SF
ALthough he will never be my favorite player Kent has been injured since July. The whole league knows it. So I think trading him is going to be tough. La Roche who has surgery coming up and who knows about the recovery for the labrem, makes the a stronger case for Kent....What about a two year deal for Normar with him also playing third base and easing in Loney.....Our old friend Jeff Weaver gives the Astros a gift, hopefully a win by the Astros has to motivate the Cardnilas to pop San Diego and in turn Houston can defeat Philadelphia.
2006-09-24 18:34:20
38.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
I like Kuo as much as the next guy--I've been following his career for a long time and still remember the rumors about his supposed lack of pain tolerance years upon years ago (all proved false)--but I think we should temper our expectations a bit. The injury history issue is a real worry. I think he's definitely earned a spot in the rotation for next year, but I wouldn't mind making a run at a free-agent starter as insurance. That being said, with Kuo and Bills and maybe Elbert potentially ready for a call-up, I don't think we should enter any extreme bidding wars in the off-season.

Penny's been so awful that I'd rather see Kuo ahead of him in the postseason rotation (gawds willing), especially in a series against the Mets. It looks like Kuo will get one more start, and I hope he impresses Little enough for him to ignore Penny's World Series heroics against the Yanks.

I will still defend the infamous "Trade," but in retrospect, DePo should have pulled the trigger and traded Penny and Jackson for Randy. Hindsight is always 20/20, of course, so oh well....

WWSH

WWSH

2006-09-24 18:42:52
39.   Gen3Blue
What that did to Luis Viscaino's ERA.
The poor bastard, or what would be apprpriate to call the unfortunite fellow.
A ninth inning walk-off is likely to be just one run. Only most rarely can 4 runs be scored in the home ninth.
2006-09-24 18:42:54
40.   Louis in SF
Any DT folks going to the game Friday night in San Francisco?
2006-09-24 18:43:36
41.   Bob Timmermann
Dodgers team offense records update:

Hits:
Record, 1515 in 1970
Current, 1478

If the Dodgers don't get more than 37 hits in the last six games, they will likely go 0-6

Doubles:
Old record, 286 in 2002
This year, 295!

Total bases:
Record, 2362 in 2000
Currently, 2309
They Dodgers need to average 9 totals bases per game to break the record.

Extra base hits:
Record, 504
Presently, 492
12 extra base hits in the last six? There are three games at Coors.

Batting average:
Record, .272 in 1974
Presently, .273
This figure doesn't go up and down much since the denominator is so large

Slugging percentage:
Record, .431 in 2000
Presently, .427
This record is unlikely to be broken unless the Dodgers pound the ball in Denver

OBP
Record, .342 in 1974
Coming into the game, the Dodgers were at .346 and it's too much trouble to update it, but it certainly went up today with 14 men reaching safely.

LOB
Record, 1223 in 1982
Presently, 1182

The Dodgers need to leave 7 runners per game to break the record.

No team hitting or fielding records are going to be broken.

2006-09-24 18:45:30
42.   PDH5204
37 Which Nomar, the on 15 July, .350 hitting Nomar? Or the very nearly abysmal Nomar since that time? Please speak with our fellow poster named Mr. Scott re the matter of the 6 RBI, 4 RBI, and two walk-off homer games clouding your better judgment re Nomar's very nearly abysmal 2nd half. And if you disagree with the "very nearly abysmal", then simply consider where, exactly, 15 July falls in the season, then consider the games missed since that date due to injury, and then ask yourself how abysmal the hitting has to be to go from .350 on 15 July to .300 now [the numbers you are looking for are a .215 BA for July, .261 for August, and .222 so far for September]. Those numbers usually don't get asked back. I'll let you make the call on whether we expect any injury-influencing the performance to be or not be repeated next year.

And why otherwise think only next year? They not only do not have a 3rd baseman, they also don't have a 2nd baseman beyond next year [I'm assuming Kent is not asked back after next year, though with no one waiting in the wings, the Dodgers might have no choice but to ask him back].

I would otherwise agree with your last remark[s], but I won't, since I reported my prayer for a Marlins sweep and all I got was the proposed sweep-or playing the role of sweep-ee. So I'm gonna have to go another route this time, and so I officially have "no comment" on the upcoming SD v. STL series.

2006-09-24 19:00:09
43.   Greg Brock
So, the NFL is going to play a preseason game in China next year.

Without getting into politics, I'll just say that this is a fascinating development.

2006-09-24 19:03:03
44.   Bob Timmermann
43

It's known as "Cover Two" Diplomacy.

2006-09-24 19:03:59
45.   Greg Brock
44 I'm sure Kissinger was involved somehow.
2006-09-24 19:04:16
46.   Bob Timmermann
I know realize that I'm old enough to realize what a big deal it was when Nixon went to China and how my parents got all of us together to watch his arrival in Beijing.
2006-09-24 19:04:38
47.   Bob Timmermann
And I can't even spell correctly.
2006-09-24 19:05:54
48.   Greg Brock
It's not misspelling, it's just a "Great Leap Forward" in redesigning the lexicon.
2006-09-24 19:12:21
49.   Bluebleeder87
Wells
2-5, 4.80

@

Suppan
12-7, 4.07

Probable Pitchers

times have changed look at those FAT era's

2006-09-24 19:12:54
50.   natepurcell
Kuo is a pitcher that you slot into the 5th slot for 2007 and hope he can give you 170 injury free innings. Because of his injury history, you cannot rely on Kuo to become an anchor of your pitching staff. Its just the way it is since his arm could snap at any minute.

as for next season, I love maddux just as much as the next person but hes passed 40 and we need a legitamate 3.4 or below era type pitcher. Penny needs to develop a third pitch if he wants to get to that level.

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2006-09-24 19:41:59
51.   thinkingblue
50.

Nate, did I see Kuo throw an eephus today? I was at the game, and he threw something relaly slow that read 56 MPH. Did he do that on purpose? I mean, if he can actually change speeds from 56 mph to 90 mph, that will be tough to hit.

And you're right, as much as I think Kuo can be an ace, his innings pitched will be an issue because of his unreliable arm?

2006-09-24 19:44:00
52.   das411
Biggio for MVP!!!
2006-09-24 19:51:29
53.   natepurcell
51

someone else said it was a curveball that just slipped or someting. But when he threw that, I thought it was all over for his elbow. It should have been a strike too, it was right down the middle. Even the ump was completely fooled.

2006-09-24 20:01:48
54.   MMSMikey
50 - i think penny needs to develop a 2nd pitch before he develops a 3rd, that spin ball he throws just doesnt get it done. what ever happened to his so called "splitter"?
2006-09-24 20:11:25
55.   thinkingblue
54.

I've only seen him throw one spiltter in the last 4 months or so, and that was the K Martin dropped.

2006-09-24 20:50:11
56.   D4P
If the Dodgers don't get more than 37 hits in the last six games, they will likely go 0-6

I can see them going 1-5 if they get 37 hits in one game...

2006-09-24 21:14:02
57.   das411
"Blum got to it, but it appeared too deep to get Sanchez in time. Then, in a stroke of luck, Sanchez stumbled on his bat coming out of the box, slowing him down enough for Blum to calmly throw him out at first."

the conspiracy has reached MLB.com! http://tinyurl.com/gdrs3

2006-09-24 21:34:25
58.   Frip
Jon: "Philadelphia and San Diego have dominated the week, yet they haven't shaken Los Angeles yet. That's the spin I'm using."

"That's the spin I'm using"?

I hate when you cop out like that.

Believe in what you say or don't say it.

2006-09-24 21:35:37
59.   sweepstakes
If San Diego and Los Angeles finish tied ahead of Philadelphia, San Diego would be the NL West champion and Los Angeles the NL Wild Card.

I hate to be ignorant, but how is this so?

2006-09-24 21:47:51
60.   Bob Timmermann
The team with the best season series record is given the title of "division champ" such as the Yankees had in 2005 when they finished tied with Boston.
2006-09-24 21:49:26
61.   sweepstakes
Because the Padres won 13 of 18?
2006-09-24 21:52:03
62.   Bob Timmermann
61
Precisely...

The same tiebreaker is used to settle homefield as well in the first two rounds. Unless the wild card team is involved. That team always starts on the road.

Except in the World Series when it all comes down to what Trevor Hoffman did against Michael Young.

2006-09-24 22:16:02
63.   Xeifrank
I have trouble getting too excited about the latest late inning heroics. Sure, it's nice to win. But the fact that the Dodgers have played so poorly and lost to some pretty bad teams with so much at stake that has left a bad taste in my mouth that won't wash off until we regain either the wild-card or division lead. Atleast the way the Cardinals are playing, their games against the Padres could become important for them.
vr, Xei
2006-09-24 22:17:46
64.   scareduck
Speaking of late-inning heroics -- photos from Monday's game --

http://6-4-2.blogspot.com/2006/09/four-homer-game-slideshow.html

2006-09-24 22:21:03
65.   Jon Weisman
58 - I believe what I wrote. You're overreacting.

I have two choices of what to believe. That the Dodgers are in the race or that they are out of it (because the other teams are playing too well). I'm choosing to believe that The Dodgers are in the race. It may not be rational, but that's what I'm telling myself. So what's the problem?

I believe everything I say here. I don't know what led you to think otherwise.

2006-09-24 22:45:50
66.   underdog
The Dodgers are clearly in the race. Philly and the Padres have been hotter this week but with one week left that could change. LA obviously has to play with more consistency, alternating wins and losses at this point ain't gonna cut it (though they don't have to win out either).

But I'd be perfectly okay with them getting in as a wild card instead of as div. champ, especially given the WC's recent history. I do hope we avoid needing a playoff to get in, but whatever it takes.

2006-09-24 22:46:41
67.   Yu-Hsing Chen
the 56mph pitch was most likely a slipped pitch or something... or he was simply mad at the ump (who hosed him on a strike out or two this game) and threw a joke pitch... he didn't follow through the pitch at all . so it can't be what he intended to do.

(or maybe he was pissed at his teammates that provided 0 game support until after he left - -b)

2006-09-24 22:48:48
68.   das411
The Padres are going to destroy the Cards, no worries guys (and oswald!). Gotta keep hope of that Astro comeback alive!
2006-09-24 23:01:04
69.   bhsportsguy
More Kuo notes, as a starter in both AAA and the majors:

13 starts, 62.1 IP, 18 ER, 2.59 ERA, 55 hits, 20 BB, 70 K.

2006-09-24 23:08:50
70.   WellsforKemp
I know alot has been made of the Dodgers choking down the stretch.....even though they nearly did what I would have hoped they would, just go .500 in the last month. Dispite this However, the Phillies have been 10-2 of late and making it all the more frustrating for Dodger fans alike.

in addition, while they (phillies) have been obviously playing well, I can't help but think of the luck they may have recieved with the pitching they have and, will face ......

Jason Hirsh, RHP (3-3, 6.10)
Wandy Rodriguez, LHP (9-9, 5.43)
Sean Marshall, LHP (5-9, 5.34
Wade Miller, RHP (0-1, 6.75)
Les Walrond, LHP (0-0, 7.59)
Ricky Nolasco, RHP (11-9, 4.56
Brian Moehler, RHP (7-9, 6.09)
Matt Albers, RHP (0-2, 6.00)
Ramon Ortiz, RHP (10-15, 5.40)
Pedro Astacio, RHP (5-5, 6.12
Michael O'Connor, LHP (3-8, 5.04
Brian Moehler, RHP (7-10, 6.22)

also consider the Braves game Matt Diaz gave away in LF, and the fact they now skip Roger Clemens after beating him with one swing.......(note I fully understand the Dodgers have not taken advantage of several scrubs they have faced over the past month)

2006-09-24 23:11:59
71.   Xeifrank
Another great outing from Guo. Vin Scully really butchers his name. His name has three syllables and Scully butchers all three very badly. It should sound like...

Guo: Gwo (long o)
Hong: (long o)
Chih: Chi (Chir / rhymes with fir, like the tree).

Guo Hong Chi. Last name first, then the first name comes last. On top of that all three syllables are being butchered. You would think Scully would take the time to atleast learn 1 or 2 out of three. :)
vr, Xei

2006-09-24 23:33:41
72.   PDH5204
As long as the math does not rule it out, no reason to lose hope. I mean, it's not like we're asking that they play over their heads for 142, since there's only 6 left. And sometimes the seemingly victorious simply fall apart.

That's one reason why I listed the 9th inning of game 3 of the '77 NL playoffs as one of those things to compare this past Monday with. But there weren't any home runs, nor any other "spectacular" play[s] in that top half of the ninth. 3-3 in the bottom of the 8th, Phils score 2, to go ahead 5-3, with that five game series then split 1-1.

Top of 9, Baker grounds out to 3rd, Monday to 2nd, and so 2 down. And looking rather bleak. But then Manny Mota's "twin brother" Vic Davalillo bunts for a hit. The other half then follows with a "double." The "double" is in " " because, well, seems to be the rule that unless the batter strikes the outfielder with the ball, then no error, so call it a double, Mr. Official Scorer, if you like, but I'll say, why was Greg Luzinski even in the game to misplay Mota's fly to left into that double. Not saying that it was "routine", but even Greg Luzinski makes that play most of the time [and with that 2 run lead in the top of the ninth, it shouldn't have been Luzinski but a defensive replacement, as I recall Vin discussing at the time]. So the one "twin" named Vic scores, and the other "twin" named Manny goes to third on an error by Sizemore on the throw back into the infield.

Then Lopes hits a turf seam single, well, maybe not, since after the hit hit the turf seam and then bounced off Schmidt to Bowa, it looked like Bowa threw Davey out at first, but the ump called it "safe". Mota scores from third, and we have a 5-5 tie now.

Tied, 5-5, who would have thunk it, especially how it happened. But then the bizarre truly takes over as Lopes then gets picked off first, or would have been picked off first, but for a Gene Garber error, so it's now 5-5 with Lopes on second. Russell then singles to center, and what looked rather bleak only moments ago now looks like victory when Lopes' foot touches home plate, and it's 6-5 Dodgers. Reggie then grounds out to the pitcher to end the inning.

And what the heck did I just see? No real heroics, a bunt single, a misplayed fly to left, with an error on the throw in, a turf seam grounder with some help from the ump, a botched successful pickoff, and a single to center, for three runs and a 6-5 Dodgers' lead.

Garman comes in, closes it out, and the Dodgers go up 2-1. TJ then bests Carlton in the game of his life, and the Dodgers defeat the Phillies, 3 games to 1.

So anything can happen, sexy or otherwise, and so there's hope, at least until the math truly and finally rules it out. And rather than worry about just who is and who is not hitting, slams or otherwise, I would simply suggest that the hurlers imitate TJ and start pitching the games of their lives. Kuo, Broxton, and Saito did their part today...and here's to the repeat performance on Tuesday. And let some others simply fall apart, with some help from the zebras if need be.

2006-09-25 05:43:24
73.   Vishal
[71] as an american with a non-english/european/christian name, you pretty much get used to the fact that it's going to be anglicized in the US. pretty much everyone i know (besides indian people) calls me vih-SHAWL, which i'm fine with, but really it's supposed to be pronounced vee-SHAHL. you just accept it. here in china i'm wei shang :)

btw, wikipedia says it's Gūo Hóngzhì (i don't know if the pinyin tones will show up here), for what it's worth. vast, strong-willed city wall?

2006-09-25 07:25:15
74.   Bob Timmermann
The pinyin tones do show up here!
2006-09-25 07:57:57
75.   D4P
73
FWIW, I've always pronounced it "vee-SHAHL" in my head...As in "vee shahl be free"
2006-09-25 08:19:50
76.   Jon Weisman
71 - I think you should consider the possibility that Vin is pronouncing the name the way he has been taught. I'm guessing that Hong-Chih Kuo doesn't listen to a lot of Dodger broadcasts and that he doesn't go around telling Dodger management in general how to say his name.

Beyond that, it does feel like we hear you make this point every time Kuo pitches, and I think it's safe to say your point is duly noted.

2006-09-25 08:43:53
77.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 76

Kuo's games are all televised in Taiwan, where the play-by-play will be done by a Taiwanese crew (the same goes for Wang's starts for the Yanks), so outside of the sizable Taiwanese population in SoCal, there aren't many people who know the actual pronounciation of Kuo's name that listen to Vin's play-by-play.

If any of you are confused by my name, it's actually mis-spelled. It should be Wei-hsiang. I think something got lost when my parents did the paperwork when we came over, and my parents didn't catch the error in Romanization.

WWSH

2006-09-25 08:48:14
78.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
The last time Philadelphia hosted an important make-up game, the outcome was to the Dodgers' detriment - and a familiar name had the big hit.
http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B09110PHI1997.htm
2006-09-25 09:00:00
79.   Sam DC
Don't think I saw it mentioned as I motored through the comments I missed this weekend (and I realize folks likely saw the news elsewhere), but the Dodgers playoff hopes took a modest blow when Nick Johnson broke his femur in a collision with Austin Keanrs on Saturday. He had surgery yesterday and will miss the remainder of the Nationals' season, including three against Philly this week.
2006-09-25 09:06:46
80.   Bob Timmermann
One of the scouts who signed Hong-Chih Kuo was Jack Zduriednick.

I'm still working on that surname.

2006-09-25 09:16:28
81.   Jacob L
Here's my three dot column for Monday morning . . .

Andy Ashby only "apparently" pitched for the Dogers . . .

Nomar hit a walk off grand slam for the Red Sox in my first game at Fenway Park . . .

The only other walk off homer I've seen in person was hit by Ron Cey . . .

Today could be a good day for the Dodgers, or at least I like our chances better when we're not playing . . .

2006-09-25 09:20:08
82.   Bob Timmermann
Don't bring that Herb Caen style to a Dodgers blog ...
2006-09-25 09:28:48
83.   50 years a Dodger Fan
77 You can legally change it back if you like. But I think all of us are going to have to accept the fact that people are going to pronounce our names the way they seem to be spelled. A name that is spelled C-A-T is always going to have difficulty getting people to pronounce it DOG. No disrespect of any kind intended, I have no animosity toward people of foreign origins. It is just that in an English speaking country such as this, people are going to pronounce your name written in our characters as we do our own names. And even that leads to a real rat's nest of differences.
2006-09-25 09:29:21
84.   Jose Habib
There was an article about Rick Dees' return to radio in the LA Times yesterday (after being replaced by Ryan Seacrest on KIIS-FM a couple years ago). The article said:

Vin Scully has recorded the show's preamble (which takes a vague shot at Seacrest), and Justin Timberlake, the man with the No. 1 album in America right now, recorded a polished reworking of his hit "SexyBack" to provide a theme song. The lyrics: "Rick Dees is back / On Movin' 93, he's back / He's going to wake you up and get on track…."

Anyone know what Vin actually says/said?

2006-09-25 09:30:25
85.   ToyCannon
I Stayed:))))))

I have "little" hope for the week given our problems on the road and the fact that Penny is still in the rotation. When Tomko and Hendrickson were this bad they were removed. We only need a four man at this point so I don't see why Penny is not in the bullpen and Billingsly is in the rotation. Penny has had success against the Rockies but the Rockie bats are hot as they have pummeled the Giants and Braves, which does not bode well for our 5 inning rotation outside of Lowe and Kuo and bad middle relief. We best be bringing our sticks if we expect to take 2 or 3 in Colorado.

2006-09-25 09:36:14
86.   Bob Timmermann
But everybody pummeled the Giants on this road trip. They had an ERA over 11.00 on it!

That takes a lot of work.

2006-09-25 09:44:51
87.   Bluebleeder87
Penny pitches very well against the Rockies so i can understand management wanting him to pitch there, i see you're point though.
2006-09-25 09:56:34
88.   regfairfield
Is anyone able to get on Dodgers.com?
2006-09-25 09:57:23
89.   regfairfield
Never mind. For some reason dodgers.com works and dodgers.mlb.com doesn't.
2006-09-25 10:01:03
90.   ddger
Brad Penny's performance in the 2nd half and down the stretch run has to be the most disappointing among the Dodgers. Ethier gets a pass because he's a rookie and Lugo does not play every day.
2006-09-25 10:02:53
91.   ToyCannon
86
Let's hope by the time we play the Giants that our 3 game ERA is not over 10. Hate running into a team as hot as the Rockies. The kids are playing loose and Helton is making up for lost time. I think we'll be lucky to win one game.
2006-09-25 10:04:24
92.   ToyCannon
90
Lugo doesn't get a pass. He plays enough that rust is not an excuse. He's just been putrid which I only care about because he's been solid for several years. Putrid, I can smell him from the rogue seats.
2006-09-25 10:09:29
93.   blue22
88/89 - Wow, I was able to get 4 field-level tickets to the first home game of the first round for less than $50 each just now.
2006-09-25 10:11:15
94.   still bevens
I bought NLCS tickets. I just hope this purcahse isnt as ill advised as my Milton Bradley tshirt last season.
2006-09-25 10:17:27
95.   blue22
I didn't read the fine print, but I'm assuming everything besides the service charges is refundable in the unfortunate event they become useless.
2006-09-25 10:22:12
96.   still bevens
At least getting the tickets by mail is an option. Some events these days dont do the standard mailing thing so you look at an 8-10 dollar service charge on every ticket.
2006-09-25 10:25:07
97.   Bob Timmermann
The face value of the tickets is refundable and has to be by law. Essentially, when you are buying a ticket to an event, it's like entering into a contract. So if the Dodgers don't deliver what you paid for, you get your money back.

Think of the service charges as paying your friendly neighborhood attorney to handle the paperwork.

2006-09-25 10:27:11
98.   blue22
96 - They put a one-per-order charge of $2.50 to have the tickets emailed to you. Given that Game 1 could be just a week from tomorrow, I'd caution against standard mail.
2006-09-25 10:27:47
99.   regfairfield
84 What? They just ran me 21 dollars for top deck.
2006-09-25 10:28:42
100.   blue22
98 - For anyone buying Game 1 tickets at least. I'd say you've got time for the NLDS tix to arrive.
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2006-09-25 10:29:10
101.   JoeyP
85- Penny only has 1 more start left. I dont think that his 1 start (against the Rockies whom he's dominated this year) is going to cost the Dodgers a playoff spot.
2006-09-25 10:35:58
102.   Greg S
41 No team hitting or fielding records are going to be broken.
You mean other than all of the hitting records you named? =)
Given that this is not a team that was expected to necessarily hit so well, does Eddie Murray deserve any credit?
2006-09-25 10:36:04
103.   JoeyP
According to Ken Gurnick, the Dodgers are going to start Maddux and Lowe for the Sat/Sunday games each on 3-days rest. I dont think thats a good idea.
2006-09-25 10:39:29
104.   Bob Timmermann
102
I meant to say pitching records.

The only notable pitching record that will be set will be an individual one as Eric Gagne added to his career record for saves.

Gagne, Brazoban, and Werth all appeared to be Photoshopped into the team photo that was given out Saturday. If you look at the photo closely, you will see that they are in different lighting and also lack legs.

2006-09-25 10:40:17
105.   Bob Timmermann
103
And the better idea for starting pitching is ...????
2006-09-25 10:45:15
106.   blue22
105 - Billingsley, for one, is nowhere to be found this week. Is there an update I missed?
2006-09-25 10:47:08
107.   ddger
I wouldn't mind having Lowe and Maddux start on 3 days rest considering our other options are Billingsley, Hendrickson, or Sele.
2006-09-25 10:49:09
108.   Terry A
With no legs, Werth will now have a normal-sized strike zone.

But I fear Gagne and Brazoban will have difficulty adjusting to pitching without legs. On the plus side, they won't have to worry much about balks.

2006-09-25 10:52:27
109.   Greg S
There are two good things about pitching the top dogs on 3 days rest. One is that Billingsley doesn't get another start. The other is that Billingsley is available out of the bullpen.
This might seem like a contradiction but I certainly would rather see Lowe on 3 days rest than watch Bills start. And I would rather watch Bills in relief than ANYONE who might otherwise pitch before the 8th.
2006-09-25 10:55:29
110.   blue22
I can see the logic of having the top-3 go in Col (Maddux, Lowe, Penny), but I'd give Billingsley a chance to pitch in SF.

I'm sure the next 3 days will determine who ultimately starts in SF, but I'd really like to see a Billingsley/Cain matchup next Saturday.

2006-09-25 10:57:13
111.   Benaiah
I would like to see Billz start instead of Maddux. I think that as an old man pitching at the end of a long season, Maddux is going to be tired, Billz had some time off recently, and I think he should be given a chance to get the job done. Plus, by pitching our best pitchers then, even if we made the playoffs who is our game 1 starter? Penny? Shiver.
2006-09-25 10:57:48
112.   Telemachos
Another positive with Lowe on short rest... doesn't he pitch more effectively with a tired arm?

Just got tix to game 2 of the division series -- seats aren't great (reserve), but this will be the first playoff game I've ever attended (assuming the Dodgers get in, of course).

2006-09-25 10:58:34
113.   Benaiah
110 - So would prospect lovers everywhere. Two of the top 5 pitching prospects entering the year, going toe to toe the second to last day of the year with the playoffs in the balance? Wow.
2006-09-25 11:00:12
114.   Greg S
111. Holy crow. Really? Bills over Maddux? Not sure where to start with that one but... really? See Maddux... but, um.. Billingsley... really?
2006-09-25 11:06:25
115.   caseybarker
78 But the Dodgers finished two games out.

Hopefully the Phillies lose today, and the Dodgers need only to outplay them by one game instead of two the rest of the way. On the other hand, I think an end-of-regular-season playoff game is the most likely scenario for the Dodgers to get into the postseason.

2006-09-25 11:07:20
116.   blue22
114 - Given the choice of Maddux on 3 days rest (having just pitched Tuesday in Colorado) or Billingsley on 9 days rest (last game was last Thursday against Pittsburgh) for this Saturday's game at SF, I can see the case for Billingsley.

I mean, Kuo is getting his start on Friday against SF. Seems weird that Chad is getting skipped right now.

2006-09-25 11:07:32
117.   Benaiah
Maddux has a 4.25 ERA over his past five starts. Obviously a lot of that comes from his one horrible start, the 6 ER effort against Milwalkee, but then a lot of that is offset by his one great start, his 7 inning no hit bid against the Padres. He is no more consistent than Billingsley, and since he pulls himself out of games early I think he is tired. Thus, I would prefer to have the young gun out there fully rested, than the ole crusty vet getting it done on an 85 MPH fastball pitching to contact.
2006-09-25 11:14:45
118.   CanuckDodger
There is no rational reason to want to see Maddux start on three days rest instead of a well-rested Billingsley. Plenty of irrational reasons, but no rational ones.
2006-09-25 11:15:07
119.   bhsportsguy
I think we need to see where we are after Friday's game to determine if Maddux and Lowe pitching on 3 days rest really matters.

I also saw a note that both Lowe and Maddux have pitched well on short rest in their career. Maddux of course doesn't usually stretch out a start anyway and Lowe, outside of the painful 5th inning in Chicago, had pitched as well as anyone in baseball for the last two months.

It would not surprise to wake up on Wednesday morning with three teams tied for 2 spots in the playoffs. Grady always thought 87 wins would win the division, if you gave me 87 now, I would hope that it would be good for one of the two spots.

2006-09-25 11:16:02
120.   Greg S
117 Calling him an ole crusty vet doesn't seem very fair.
He has thrown several of the best pitched games of the year since he got here. There is also the fact that he is one of the greatest pitchers of all time with more big game experience than Bills has even watched on television. There's also the fact that he pracitally no hit the Giants the last time he faced them. There's also the fact that the last time Bills had that much rest he almost didn't get out of the first inning. But mostly it's just that if your whole season comes down to 1 game, the opportunity to throw a guy like Maddux is golden. As is avoiding a wild rookie.
2006-09-25 11:16:46
121.   caseybarker
I agree that Billinsley deserves to start one of the remaining games including a winner-take-all playoff game at the end. He looked better his last game, and his curve ball was nasty.

I wonder what Maddux would look like out of the bullpen for one of these games.

2006-09-25 11:18:05
122.   bhsportsguy
118 I think either way, he sets himself to be second-guessed so he is going with the veteran, it is unfortunate that Bills went down with the oblique, while the concern might be his innings pitched had he not gone down, there is no question that he lost the consistency he had in his last few starts and he might have been able to squeeze out a few wins though Stults did pitch well in his spot start.
2006-09-25 11:19:11
123.   Johnson
If you look over their last ten starts, Maddux has an ERA of 3.26, with a WHIP of 1.15 and a K/9 of 4.3, while Billingsley has an ERA of 2.67, a WHIP of 1.44 (!) and a K/9 of 6.7. So Chad is striking more batters out, but he's also walking too many, resulting in his high WHIP. On the other hand, he's been pretty consistent in getting out of his jams. It does look like there's a reasonable argument for Billingsley over Maddux, especially if he's on a longer rest.
2006-09-25 11:22:45
124.   Greg S
I'm shocked that there are at least several peope who feel this way. But back to an earlier point... if Bills DOESN'T go to the bullpen, are you more comfortable with the parade of arsonists that make up our current middle relief than you are with Maddux on 3-days rest?
2006-09-25 11:25:08
125.   Benaiah
I think that Billz should be out there on a short leash, if he doesn't have it, pull him. I think we need to out and out sweep the Rockies, and hope that someone went 1-3 or 2-2 in the meantime. Either way, we would need 2 or 3 against the Giants, and while I love Mad dog and I think he has been awesome since he got here, I gotta go with fully rested youth over the arm that probably has 60 or 70 thousand pitches on it.
2006-09-25 11:26:42
126.   Sam DC
Buster speaks:

Paddy (St. Louis, MO): Love your work Buster, 2 quick questions. After last Monday's fantastic finish, what hasn't Vin Scully seen in his career, and two will my Dodgers get any help from the Cards this week?

Buster Olney: (2:10 PM ET ) Paddy -- thanks for that... No kidding on Scully. I heard from a colleague that he was monitoring the Hoffman record-setter as he was doing the Dodgers' game yesterday, which is what you would expect -- he has so much respect for the game, no matter whether he's talking about the Dodgers or players with other teams. Cardinals are something of a mess right now, but the Padres are not a great team -- a good team with good pitching, and a tough schedule in the last week. I do wonder if all the work required of the bullpen lately is going to come back and bite SD.

2006-09-25 11:29:07
127.   Sam DC
And one more just for atmosphere:

John (Los Angeles): Buster--do you even watch Padres games? What pressure was put on the bullpen in the last few days when only Meredith and Hoffman pitched yesterday, and Young went 8 1/3 on Saturday? Do you really think the Padres are counting on anyone beyond Hoffman, Meredith, Linebrink and Embree out of their bullpen? As a guy who's covered the Padres, I'm surprised you'd make such misinformed comments.

Buster Olney: (2:27 PM ET ) John: Think you could make your point without being nasty? And do you watch the Padres' games yourself? Trevor -- pitched in 6 of last 8 games. Meredith -- pitched in 6 of last 9 games. Linebrink pitched in 4 of 6 games last year. I'm surprised you'd feel compelled to want to bury somebody when you haven't been paying attention.

2006-09-25 11:41:19
128.   Bluebleeder87
if anything Wells does have a fatter era than Suppan so i'm still hopefull the Padres will loose today.
2006-09-25 11:42:40
129.   blue22
127 - "You stay classy, San Diego [fans]."
2006-09-25 11:43:50
130.   Benaiah
I generally root against the Cards, but I am hoping that they somehow right the ship. Wells isn't good anymore and hopefully that shows today.
2006-09-25 11:43:59
131.   Sam DC
Buster also predicts Zito to SD for 6/$72M.
2006-09-25 11:44:04
132.   Marty
At this point Id like to see Kuofax start every game until his arm falls off.
2006-09-25 11:58:13
133.   Bluebleeder87
132

Thats the thing though, he's about 60 + years old & can only throw about 80 mph.

2006-09-25 11:58:56
134.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
115 - Yes, the Dodgers finished two games out. But that doesn't mean the Giants-Phillies make-up game didn't matter.
Look at this like this: Say the Dodgers win a playoff spot by two games - are we to say the comeback against San Diego didn't matter? Of course not.
2006-09-25 11:59:41
135.   Benaiah
133 - On the other hand, he does have name recognition, maybe they will be intimidated.
2006-09-25 12:05:57
136.   Marty
I was referring to Kuo not Kou.
Sometimes the joke works, sometimes it doesn't
2006-09-25 12:06:50
137.   Bluebleeder87
i'm really confident the Phills will loose atleast 2 to the Stros.
2006-09-25 12:08:03
138.   Bluebleeder87
poor Cubbies, Griffey Jr. just hit a 3 run bomb & are loosing 5-4 now.
2006-09-25 12:10:17
139.   bhsportsguy
137 Phils are only playing one against the Astros, its a makeup game for a rainout from a game a few weeks ago.

Frankly, I still think a best hope is for the division although the Phillies are only 2 games away from making us the leader in the W/C.

2006-09-25 12:10:41
140.   bhsportsguy
138 More incentive for the Cards.
2006-09-25 12:12:04
141.   Bob Timmermann
139
Stop replying graciously! I had bluebleeder all set up for an easy bet!
2006-09-25 12:12:05
142.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
For us, Houston timed its hot streak quite well.
2006-09-25 12:13:41
143.   Bluebleeder87
139 oh yeah i remember now, 140 one can only hope.
2006-09-25 12:14:06
144.   blue22
140 - StL's primary incentive is home-field against in the first round. Do they need anymore incentive than that?
2006-09-25 12:14:44
145.   bhsportsguy
141 Sorry Bob, I just hope there are no Husky alums at the library and I am sure you have found a way to eliminate any contact with USC alums during the football season.
2006-09-25 12:16:32
146.   underdog
Since we're all chiming in on this, I'll add my own two cents: I'd rather see Billingsley pitch than... Penny right now. I'm fine with Penny and Maddux. On the other hand, Bills is a rookie and Greg made a good point - Bills would be better than any of the other long relievers the Dodgers currently have to throw up, er, out there with the possible exception of Sele. If, God forbid, one of our starters gets blown up this week but we're still in a game I'd prefer Bills coming in than most of the other long options. It's tricky here, and the Dodgers are for the most part playing it smart but most importantly pitchers have to step it up.
2006-09-25 12:16:33
147.   Bob Timmermann
145
Except for my girlfriend who is a lifelong USC season ticket holder.

But she's going with me to the Rose Bowl Saturday night. We've missed each other the last three weekends since we worship at different churches.

Her church usually beats my church.

2006-09-25 12:16:42
148.   bhsportsguy
144 I still think that there is a small concern that the Astros could win 6 out of their 7 remaining games, so while home field is important, especially based on their record at home, clinching the division as soon as possible is what they need to first.
2006-09-25 12:16:54
149.   underdog
146 Meant "fine with Lowe and Maddux" up there, of course.
2006-09-25 12:17:57
150.   underdog
Yeah, Houston just swept the Cards to creep close enough to make them nervous - I'd say making the playoffs and holding off the Astros is their first concern. At any rate, they should have motivation vs. the Padres. Hope they can execute.
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2006-09-25 12:20:30
151.   bhsportsguy
147 I wonder if the Dodgers are still playing for a playoff spot, will the crowd cheer at strange times during the game, similar to what happens during the past Laker playoff runs when at the Dodger game, the crowd will roar when the Lakers do something even though nothing is happening on the field.

I for one certainly hope that will be the case and I will be one of the fans who will have two games going on at the same time.

2006-09-25 12:20:31
152.   Bob Timmermann
Homefield edges:
https://griddle.baseballtoaster.com/archives/518687.html

Central Division handicap:
https://griddle.baseballtoaster.com/archives/518608.html

2006-09-25 12:21:06
153.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
The thrills and spills of this pennant race has obscured important developments: LA has guaranteed itself an above-.500 season, and a double-digit improvement in wins.
Considering the disaster that was 2005, plus the preseason conventional wisdom this year was all about hanging on until the kids arrived, I'd say this team has done well for itself, playoffs or not.
2006-09-25 12:22:36
154.   Bob Timmermann
But are the 2006 Dodgers going to be the same as the 2005 Indians?
2006-09-25 12:25:48
155.   underdog
153 Stop being so darned positive! You're spoiling all the griping. ;-) (Seriously though, I agree. It gets disappointing if you're so close to making the playoffs and then don't - but some perspective here is in order.)
2006-09-25 12:25:55
156.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
154 - More worrying, will the '07 Dodgers be the '06 Indians?
2006-09-25 12:26:37
157.   Bob Timmermann
156
I was going for that effect too.
2006-09-25 12:50:07
158.   GoBears
153. The only positive I really take from this season in terms of the big picture is the emergence of some of the rookies. We knew in April (heck, last April) that this year's team would benefit from the farm system much more than last year's team.

But the number of wins is, as predicted, a function of (1) a slightly-better-than-average team playing to expectations, instead of succumbing to a ridiculous spate of injuries and (2) a significantly fatter payroll. Drew, Furcal, and Martin played basically the whole season. Kent and Nomar didn't, but neither did they miss half the season. 3rd base was the same unproductive revolving door - a little better than last year, but also a lot more expensive.

I said as soon as Colletti was hired that he was in a no-lose situation. His first team would win a bunch more games just due to reversion to the mean, and he'd get credit. This is not to say that he's had no effect, but I see his influence as positive in some areas and negative in others, mostly a wash.

He was given a 20% larger budget, which meant that his bench scrubs were mostly major league talent, instead of replacement-level throwaways. And he saw his expected lineup play a lot more games. And he reaped the benefit of positive-to-terrific contributions from a lot of rookies. Really, did anyone expect Ethier, Billingsley, Broxton, Martin, Kuo, and Kemp (even Loney) to do as much as they did in 2006?

We might look back and say that this team should have won even more games, given all those factors. Who knows?

So while being in a pennant race is certainly more fun than being out of it, I wouldn't look at the improvement in the win-loss record as an independent indicator that the team is on the right track.

2006-09-25 12:51:10
159.   Strike4
154
You'll be torn whether to predict the Dodgers to win in '07. Maybe your predictions affect AL races only.
2006-09-25 13:00:26
160.   Terry A
158 - "He was given a 20% larger budget, which meant that his bench scrubs were mostly major league talent, instead of replacement-level throwaways."

I want to agree with this, but I'm not sure it's factual. Can we prove it was McCourt holding down DePodesta's spending, and not DePo himself?

I do agree with your larger point, and I attribute the improvement from '05 to '06 more to the farm's production than any front office maneuvering.

2006-09-25 13:00:35
161.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
GB, you had me until:
I wouldn't look at the improvement in the win-loss record as an independent indicator that the team is on the right track.
I know what you're saying, but it seems completely counter-intuitive to declare wins don't reflect a team's quality.
2006-09-25 13:01:45
162.   bigcpa
SD is 5-2 this month when scoring 2 runs. Since 9/8 they're 2-2 in Peavy's starts and 8-4 in the rest. Yes I'm cherry picking, but I'm not buying them as a team of destiny.

This week they should drop the Carpenter/Webb games, win the Young/Peavy games and go 1-2 in the others for 3-4. We go 4-2 to tie em. Philly goes 5-2 to clinch the WC. Penny vs. Peavy on Monday for the divison. Plaschke writes his Penny-as-goat and Nomar-as-hero columns in advance.

2006-09-25 13:09:25
163.   Sam DC
From the comments at Phillies' Nation (linked at right):

"Dodger fans, on the other hand, sit on their hands and don't make any noise until the team does something. There is no home field advantage at Dodger Stadium."

2006-09-25 13:10:24
164.   GoBears
I want to agree with this, but I'm not sure it's factual. Can we prove it was McCourt holding down DePodesta's spending, and not DePo himself?

Fair enough. Generally, I'm more likely to attribute the size of the payroll to the owner and not the GM (why not spend what you're given to spend?). But it could be that DePodesta wanted to pool the millions that Colletti spent on the mediocre vets to acquire a difference-maker than he never managed to acquire. Or maybe he thought that Edwards/Grabowski/et al. were really no worse than Mueller/Lofton/Tomko et al.

If the former, he miscalculated. If the latter, the problem was, again, the injuries. It wasn't just that those scrubs were on the roster - it was that they were on the field more often than the "starters."

Who led the team in games played last year? Phillips? Izturis? Probably Kent - he had a great year. But after him?

2006-09-25 13:10:26
165.   underdog
161 Yeah, I don't see how someone can say the team is on the wrong track, either, compared to last year. While there are obviously still some needs - bullpen, another starter, etc - the mix of youth both here and coming soon with veterans seems much more solid these days. I can't see saying they're on the wrong track as much as they still need some improvements. They probably won't quite reach this # but a near 20 game turnaround over last year is nothing to sneeze at either.
2006-09-25 13:11:47
166.   Daniel Zappala
We've missed each other the last three weekends since we worship at different churches.

Her church usually beats my church.

Bob, this would make perfect sense if you were Mormon and your girlfriend was a Notre Dame fan.

2006-09-25 13:13:14
167.   underdog
164 It was indeed Kent last year. Followed by ... Choi. And then Repko.

This year Furcal and Drew (both with injury concerns new and old to start the year) lead the team in games this year. Comparing these two paragraphs shows you another reason for the improvement.

2006-09-25 13:14:55
168.   Sam DC
I would note that the Phillies have a home record of 41-39 and the Dodgers are well just slightly better at 49-32.
2006-09-25 13:16:50
169.   Sam DC
164 The payroll thing could also be that both managers had a multi-year planning window for budget purposes, and Colletti is now spending money "saved" last year by DePodesta.
2006-09-25 13:17:07
170.   Bob Timmermann
Obviously, the loud noise created by Phillies fans, all done spontaneously, has spurred them on to their unparalleled success during their storied history.
2006-09-25 13:18:04
171.   GoBears
I know what you're saying, but it seems completely counter-intuitive to declare wins don't reflect a team's quality.

Not at all. W-L record is the result of both quality and luck (good and bad). Or, if you wish, it's a measure of the sum-total relative quality of the team actually fielded each day compared to the teams actually fielded each day by the opposition.

And I said "independent indicator." We have lots of better indicators of quality than W-L record that filter out a lot of the luck.

Obviously, W-L record is the ONLY thing that actually matters, but in terms of the relationship between talent (and hence management decisions) and final result, we're better off looking for more direct measures of the former than inferring it from the latter.

2006-09-25 13:18:52
172.   underdog
158 I just made the same point over there on that Phils blog (without jinxing the Dodgers in any way, I hope).
2006-09-25 13:19:17
173.   underdog
I mean 168 above...
2006-09-25 13:21:39
174.   GoBears
165 Yeah, I don't see how someone can say the team is on the wrong track, either, compared to last year.

I didn't say they're on the wrong track. If anything, what I said implied that they're still on the same track as last year, just with fewer derailments to slow things down along the way.

Which, as a fan of what DePodesta (and even Dan Evans) seemed to be trying to do, is the highest praise I have for Colletti. He made some weird, some pointless, and some smart choices along the way, but basically, he hasn't changed the big-picture plan much at all. That the team won more games this year is mostly a function of Lady Luck frowning less on the plan this year than she did last year.

2006-09-25 13:25:08
175.   bigcpa
174 Lady Luck helped us in the games played column this year, but we still haven't recaptured the 1-run game mojo from 2004.
2006-09-25 13:27:18
176.   Bluebleeder87
163

i just answered "Jeremy" over at Phillies nation, respectfully ofcourse.

2006-09-25 13:28:38
177.   JoeyP
I agree GoBears.

If you take out the good that Colletti did (Furcal, Nomar, Saito) and the bad (Hendrickson, Tomko, Baez, Lugo) and just plug in the team that was last year, along with the rookies, I dont think the record is really all that different.

If the goal for McCourt was to win 81-85 games then he succeeded. I just dont think the cost that he paid to insure those 81-85 wins was smart business.

2006-09-25 13:31:12
178.   Bluebleeder87
168

my competetive juices flow to fast for my own good, i should have used research to counter "Jeremy"

2006-09-25 13:43:38
179.   underdog
174 Ah, I gotcha. Okay, makes sense. Except I still think Colletti's good signing outweigh his bad or weird ones (and there were undeniably some of those). If we'd not signed Furcal, kept Izturis, we'd have neither Furcal nor Maddux. Clubhouse chemistry is better with Ethier over Bradley (though certainly MB's bat, when he's healthy, is hard to question), and he didn't mortgage the farm. Agreed that some of his trades were questionable (Lugo was odd, given he also got Betemit and then later Anderson - though at the time he didn't know he'd have a shot at the latter and also there were questions about Kent and Nomar's health, etc) . But overall I don't see it as a "wash" if we subtract all his moves.

But I guess if we're both saying that the future was and still is their prime farm system and that really hasn't changed much, than, basically, agreed.

2006-09-25 13:52:20
180.   Bluebleeder87
i'm a Colletti fan, but what was he thinking when he signed Tomko, Hendy & Carter? did his brain have a cramp kind of like home Depo had a cramp when he signed Drew?
2006-09-25 13:52:44
181.   Jacob L
I ask this as an honest question:

With the top guys moving up to the majors this year, the subtraction of Aybar, Navarro etal through trades, and the injury issues with LaRoche, would the Dodgers still be considered a top farm system?

2006-09-25 13:54:42
182.   bigcpa
180 Violation of rule #3!!
2006-09-25 13:57:03
183.   regfairfield
180 You do realize Drew leads the Dodgers in most offensive statistics, right? He leads the Dodgers in on base percentage, home runs, doubles, walks and OPS. The only categories he's not out in front in are batting average (5th) and slugging (2nd).
2006-09-25 14:01:26
184.   caseybarker
Jay Dee Drew. Jay Dee Drew.
2006-09-25 14:03:21
185.   JoeyP
Would you rather spend 11 mils on JD Drew, or 11 mils on (Hendrickson, Tomko, Mueller)?

I dont think the two are even in the same ballpark.

2006-09-25 14:03:51
186.   underdog
181 Someone else can probably answer this better, but I think they're no longer considered to have the #1 farm system - but they are still widely considered to be in the top 3 or 4 after drafting well the last couple of times, too.
2006-09-25 14:04:54
187.   regfairfield
181 They probably fall out of the top five since they either lost or promoted every top 100 prospect except Elbert and Dewitt (who will probably drop off) if we don't count LaRoche. But, similar things happened to the other top systems. I don't enough about other teams to spot any new prospects, but Clayton Kershaw, Jonathan Meloan, and Tony Abreu have a chance of cracking the list.

I think they'll fall behind the Diamondbacks, who still have Carlos Gonzalez, Chris Young, and Dustin Nippert, but that's it.

2006-09-25 14:05:23
188.   Jacob L
J.D. Drew - clutch and durable.
2006-09-25 14:05:35
189.   JoeyP
Clubhouse chemistry is better with Ethier over Bradley

Havent Lugo, Hall, and Tomko all made more inflammatory remarks to the press than Bradley?

I dont think clubhouse chemistry matters either way, but I'll disagree if you think this year's is better. There's just as many upset people on this year's team, as last years.

2006-09-25 14:05:39
190.   Bluebleeder87
183

man some of you guys will deffend home Depo to death, it's always nice to hear people realise that NOT EVERYONE IS PERFECT & that people do make mistakes. i don't know what Depo would have done if he was still hear but i really doubt Russel Martin would be up in the bigs, head case Bradley would Depo have traded him??

2006-09-25 14:05:46
191.   still bevens
181 I think the answer to your question is no on a technicality. Most of the players you mention would no longer be considered prospects since they played so many games this year. I think we were going to drop in the standings because of the the playing time the rookies got this season, but Im sure we'll still be in the top 10 due to our sweet draft.
2006-09-25 14:08:38
192.   ssjames
181 I think the answer to your question depends upon what you call a top farm system. If you mean that we have one of the 2 or 3 best farms systems, then the answer is no.

If you mean do we still have one of the top 7-10 farm systems then the answer is yes. We still have two pitchers who are arguably the best in the minors right now. And they are both lefty. With LaRoche and Loney we have two of the top 25 or so position prospect, and then we have a lot of depth to our system especially at the lower levels right now that most clubs can't match.

As far as who is ahead of us, I would say probably Tampa, Colorado, Angels, Arizona. Other than those it is at least close between the Dodgers and almost any other organization.

2006-09-25 14:08:53
193.   regfairfield
190 If you're trying to single out DePo's mistakes, pointing out the best hitter on the team isn't the best tactic.

I'm sorry I responded initally, since arguing about DePo never gets anywhere.

2006-09-25 14:10:10
194.   Bluebleeder87
183

& i hope he leads us to the promise land fellow Dodger fan, but his injury prone history speaks for it's self, i truly hope i'm wrong though, a couple of more years left in his contract & i'm hoping he proves me wrong.

2006-09-25 14:12:17
195.   regfairfield
190 I will, on the other hand, defend Bradley. Have there been any stories about how bad the A's clubhouse is, despite having "malcontents" Bradley and Frank Thomas. No. In fact, there's been multiple articles about how great the A's clubhouse is.
2006-09-25 14:12:28
196.   caseybarker
I saw that Jim Callis (or someone at BA) thinks the Devil Rays and Rockies are tops in terms of prospects.
2006-09-25 14:13:01
197.   Jacob L
190 Nobody knows what Depo would have done if he was still with the Dodgers. Nobody did a very good job predicting what he was going to do while he was here.

I'm curious though why you think Russell would not crack the bigs under Depo. As it is, he got a shot this year because Navarro got hurt.

2006-09-25 14:14:32
198.   Bluebleeder87
193

i love that Depo resigned Izzy, that kind of says alot about him, realising that defense is huge in baseball, but to be really fair he wasn't a good comunicator.IMO.

2006-09-25 14:16:15
199.   JoeyP
Russell Martin was a sabermetrician's dream in the minors.

Considering how much DePo valued OBP, I dont think Martin would have been overlooked. Who would overlook a guy that OBP's over .400 in the southern league?

Its not like Colletti gave Russell Martin the job, quite the contrary. He gave Navarro the job until Navarro got hurt.

2006-09-25 14:16:31
200.   50 years a Dodger Fan
180 True enough, but for $11M you should get more, a lot more. Those aren't superstar stats.
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2006-09-25 14:16:47
201.   underdog
189 Well, I think you'll agree neither of us can literally measure clubhouse chemistry as if it were a science ;-) and I agree some of those disgruntled exTB-ers didn't help much with their whining. However, they've appeared much more on board with the team concept over the past month and have been as quietly supportive as they can given they probably (esp. Hall) still want playing time. In general, though, from what I've seen of this year's team, the support they have for each other, the enthusiasm particularly after some of their comeback victories, I see more of a "team" than last year's model by a long shot. Granted, there's a bit of a catch-22 too (or is that "chicken vs. egg"?) - in that when a team is losing consistently obviously chemistry will suffer. But I definitely see people picking each other up a lot more this year and really enjoying seeing their teammates do well. For whatever that's worth.
2006-09-25 14:17:32
202.   JoeyP
198. Thats interesting you'd point to Drew as DePo's biggest mistake, and resigning Izturis as one of his best accomplishments.

I think of it as the exact opposite.

2006-09-25 14:18:30
203.   JoeyP
the enthusiasm particularly after some of their comeback victories,

Isnt the team 1-57 when trailing after the 7th inning?

2006-09-25 14:19:17
204.   50 years a Dodger Fan
Oops!!! #200 referred to #183, not #180; I'm no superstar either. Blame DePo for paying steak prices for ground chuck.
2006-09-25 14:19:28
205.   Bluebleeder87
197

Are you kidding me! Russell took Navarro to school on D last year during spring training any body with half a baseball brain new that, plus Navarro dosed off at times behind the plate, & that's a fact.

ps & Martin had only been catching for like 2 or 3 years.

2006-09-25 14:21:29
206.   JoeyP
but for $11M you should get more,

Not really.
I think .280/.400/.520 is what you'd expect from an 11mils dollar player.

There's a misconception about Drew being paid a 'superstar' salary. Its just not true.

Ortiz, Manny, Beltran, Jeter, Sheffield, A-Rod, Bonds, all make alot more than Drew does.

Drew's salary is in that "good" player slot. Its not a 'superstar' slot.

2006-09-25 14:23:42
207.   JoeyP
205. If thats true, then why didnt Russell Martin start the year with the Dodgers this season?

You seem like you're stating that DePo wouldnt have given Russ Martin a chance. But Colletti didnt either, until Navarro went on the DL. So what is the difference?

2006-09-25 14:24:11
208.   Bluebleeder87
Thats interesting you'd point to Drew as DePo's biggest mistake

20 dingers & maybe about 100 RBI'S for 11 mill? come on.

2006-09-25 14:24:25
209.   Penarol1916
205. Yet Martin still started the year in the minors with Navarro being the opening day starter for the big club under Colletti with Martin not coming up until Navarro was injured. Why are you having so much difficulty understanding that?
2006-09-25 14:26:43
210.   50 years a Dodger Fan
195 If we make one change: Get rid of Kent this year instead of Bradley: What effect would it have had on our season? That's a question, I'm not taking either position, just curious how it would have worked out. Do you think Bradley's blow-ups AND achievements this year are on a par with Penny's?
2006-09-25 14:29:22
211.   Bluebleeder87
207

all i know is that Russ's D screamed out alot better than Navarro's period.

2006-09-25 14:32:11
212.   Bluebleeder87
210

like i said before i feel Brad Penny, Bradley is just a head case that thinks everybody is against him.

2006-09-25 14:32:16
213.   Jacob L
All those arguing that Navarro is better than Martin raise your hand . . .
2006-09-25 14:33:45
214.   bhsportsguy
It will be interesting to see what J.D. and Scott do with his player option, with only Carlos Lee and Soriano as offensive threats on the market, they could take a shot and see if they can get another deal for more years or more money for the same amount of years.

While I think both Boras and Drew would have reasons to not opt out (I get the feeling that Drew really likes the atmosphere here and Boras wants the Dodgers to have money available for both Zito and Gagne), the lack of offensive players does give them the opportunity to make some more cash.

2006-09-25 14:34:27
215.   bigcpa
http://tinyurl.com/km364

According to this 4/05 BPro column, Drew was the best FA signing in his class out of 47 FA's signing for >$5M. That projected him at 29 WARP over the 5 years. He's at 10.4 WARP already and is pacing for around 30 WARP over the deal if he plays 140 games each year.

2006-09-25 14:36:03
216.   Penarol1916
213. According to bluebleeder, only Depo ever was and the fact that Navarro was starting the season in the majors was some kind of bizarre act orchestrated by the GM who had been hired months ago and was something that the current GM was powerless to stop.
Or perhaps bluebleeder is really arguing that Depo would have signed a better back-up catcher than Alomar and thus Martin wouldn't have gotten all of that playing time when he came up.
2006-09-25 14:36:40
217.   Bluebleeder87
All those arguing that Navarro is better than Martin raise your hand . . .

If only the brain trust knew that last year or this year.

2006-09-25 14:37:39
218.   Jacob L
I think a month ago most of us would have loved for J.D. to opt out. I don't think its going to happen, in any case, but its funny how things change.
2006-09-25 14:40:32
219.   underdog
Zzzzz... DePodesta vs. Colletti talk bores me. Begone with it! {{clap hands}} Fetch me another conversation topic - even a "Who was a faster runner, Garvey or Cey?"
2006-09-25 14:40:59
220.   underdog
WARP speed ahead!
2006-09-25 14:41:21
221.   bigcpa
208 Brian Giles put up 15 HR and 83 RBI at age 34 in his walk year and signed a below-market deal for 3/$30M. Drew's 2006 season at age 30 with excellent defense would have to price him at $12-13M/year easy.
2006-09-25 14:41:50
222.   Daniel Zappala
217 arguing

Exactly, you guys are arguing. Pointless stuff. None of you will change your minds. Have a civil conversation, already.

2006-09-25 14:42:21
223.   Sam DC
Boras wants the Dodgers to have money available for both Zito and Gagne

That strikes me as a highly unethical way for an agent to handle his obligations towards one of his clients. Has Boras ever been charged with unethical behavior by one of his clients, or has there ever been any evidence reported that he would engage in this sort of misconduct?

Why do you think he would do this?

2006-09-25 14:43:00
224.   DodgerBakers
192. Regarding other good farm programs:
I would add Florida to the list. Lots of good prospects still in minors, especially pitchers.
2006-09-25 14:43:20
225.   ssjames
219 I don't know the answer to your question, but who was/is slower between Jason Phillips and Olmedo Saenz?

To me that is a head-scratcher. Although I am leaning in Phillips direction, just because of how he leans backwards while he runs.

2006-09-25 14:43:29
226.   Bluebleeder87
218

no matter what i still think J.D. Drew is a robot inside & shows no feelings out there.

ps just cough up the dingers & RBI's & i'm be o.k. with it.

2006-09-25 14:44:15
227.   capdodger
217 - Re: Martin.
If only the brain trust knew that last year or this year.

What the heck are you saying? The GM this year played Martin after Navarro got hurt. Then, and only then, was he annointed the every day starter. That was Colletti.

Martin wasn't called up last year because it was a lousy season. The brain trust probably thought it would better serve the player and the team to hold off on a call-up. It served the team because it held off on starting his clock. It served the player because he was able to improve in a low-pressure environment. We reap the benefits of the latter now, and will reap the benefits of the former in Russ Martin's arby years.

2006-09-25 14:44:39
228.   Jacob L
220 Seriously, and I for one, disclaim my part in it. I thought, perhaps, there was an interesting point to explore there, but alas.

Ron Cey had 29 career steals, including a high of 5 in 1975. The Garv actually had 83 including a career high of 19 in 1976. Garvey also used to get the occasional bunt hit. Take that, Eric Karros!

Possible additional tangent, Nomar is starting to remind me of Garvey.

2006-09-25 14:46:48
229.   capdodger
226 no matter what i still think J.D. Drew is a robot inside & shows no feelings out there.

The same thing was said of Shawn Green when he was the Dodger's leading hitter. I guess that what would make you really happy would be a right fielder who can hit, but plays with a massive chip on his shoulder?

2006-09-25 14:47:08
230.   underdog
228 Those are kind of astonishing stats. Thank you, Jacob. I guess they'd both outrun Saenz and Phillips (to bring in the other poster's question), who would probably practically run backwards.
2006-09-25 14:47:29
231.   Bluebleeder87
To me that is a head-scratcher. Although I am leaning in Phillips direction, just because of how he leans backwards while he runs.

it also looks like he has weights on his legs.

2006-09-25 14:48:28
232.   capdodger
Oh... and Phillips was slower than Saenz, but it's a close one. They could both be put out 9-3.
2006-09-25 14:48:57
233.   bhsportsguy
Just some what ifs to ponder on the off-day:

1. What if Gagne and Brazoban stay healthy, do we see Broxton and Saito this year?
Probably we would have seen them but it may have taken a while, certainly Baez and Carter don't get exposed as early as they do but unless they had both pitched better than they did, Saito may have come up in May and Broxton might have been up by mid-year.

2. What if Navarro doesn't get injured, what happens to Martin, this is a hard one to figure, I would have to believe short of a big slump offensively or defensively, the change would not have taken place this season and given Grady's desire to not split time, I don't see both young catchers up at the same time.

3. What if Repko doesn't climb the wall in May? Cruz was already putting up horrible splits so Ethier would have eventually got some starts against right handers but we probably don't see Matt Kemp until September and maybe Ethier never gets regular time.

4. What if Odalis doesn't get a brain lock in early May? Its hard to say what happened during and after the Houston/Arizona starts for Odalis he got leads in both and blew them, next thing we know he's back in the DR for personal reasons, Sele comes in and Odalis never recovers. What if he goes to management and tells them what is going on (I have no reason to know if he did or not) and they grant him some time off right then and bring Sele up earlier, maybe Odalis comes back and recovers, Sele replaces Seo, etc. Now maybe they were always trying to move OP but that was a strange week for OP.

2006-09-25 14:49:31
234.   ssjames
This debate about J.D. Drew - Depo v. Colleti seriously feeling a really boring episode of the Twilight Zone that just keeps repeating itself. This is the worst beating that the dead horse has ever received.
2006-09-25 14:49:33
235.   underdog
Drew is just a laid-back Southern guy who's lack of intensity on the outside should not be mistaken for lack of intensity or interest on the inside, imho. I actually always liked Shawn Green - he seemed like a nice guy (a nice Jewish boy, like me!) but when he started to slump (or made goofs in the outfield) people got on his case. Sometimes he does seem to check out a little bit, but I still liked him. Ditto Drew, though I'll admit in the chemistry dept. he's not Nomar or Saito.
2006-09-25 14:49:35
236.   Bluebleeder87
229

no don't put words in my mouth, somebody like Garciappara would be nice. atleast show that you have a pulse out there.

2006-09-25 14:50:51
237.   Johnson
219
Husband: Ah, yes, Major League Baseball General Managers, I think we'll have that conversation. (takes cheat sheet)
Wife: Did you know that John Schuerholz is the general manager of the Atlanta Braves?
Husband: Why, yes! As a matter of fact, Bill Stoneman is the general manager of the Los Angeles Angels, and Brian Sabean is the GM of the San Francisco Giants!
Wife: Do all general managers start with 'S'?
Husband: Why, yes, I think they do.
Wife: What about Brian Cashman? That doesn't start with 'S'.
Husband: But it has got an 'S' in it!
Wife: You're right! What about Paul DePodesta? That's got an 'S' in it, is he a general manager?
Husband: (peruses list) No, no I don't think he is. (awkward pause)
Wife: Well, who is the general manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers?
Husband: Ned Colletti.
Wife: But Ned Colletti hasn't got an 'S' in it. (awkward pause)
Husband: Waiter! This conversation isn't very good!
2006-09-25 14:53:47
238.   bhsportsguy
223 Well, the same year that Beltre claims he wanted to sign with the Dodgers, he eventually gets a bigger offer from the Seattle while both Drew and Lowe get deals from the Dodgers.

Again, I do think Scott Boras has to represent each client to his fullest ability but Boras also knows there is only a finite amount of money out there with a finite amount of teams to deal with so unless he knows for a fact that Drew would get either more money or more years, I think he would want to have the teams he believes are in the market for his teams available to deal with him for those players.

2006-09-25 14:56:20
239.   Terry A
229 - Where have you gone, Gary Sheffield? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

Woo woo woo.

2006-09-25 14:56:52
240.   greenchris
Anyone know the Dodgers All Time record at Coors Field, or know where I could find such a stat...

thanks in advance!

2006-09-25 14:57:33
241.   underdog
237 Hah hah!
Reminds me of that Monty Python routine about the dirty utensil in a restaurant (one of their few sketches to end with an actual punchline). Where a stream of cooks and waiters come out increasingly apologetic and despondent...

re:
233
What ifs are always fun to play with though they can make our heads explode. Martin vs. Navarro is hard to say but was obvious to me even before Navarro got hurt that Dodgers' brass was increasingly frustrated with his defense and the scouting dept. definitely favored Martin. So it's possible that Russ might still have been called up at some point and Navarro still traded.
As for #4, well that's the one on your list that I just can't see an alternative for. ;-) Odalis would have had a brain lock no matter what the circumstances.

2006-09-25 15:01:30
242.   JoeyP
Whom actually shows an acceptable amount of emotion on this team?
2006-09-25 15:02:06
243.   underdog
239 Ironically, Sheffield is now being tried at first base, just like Green was. Looks more awkward than Green at first (at first).
2006-09-25 15:04:03
244.   Johnson
241 Actually, it is a blatant ripoff of a Monty Python routine - one in "The Meaning Of Life".
2006-09-25 15:05:24
245.   bhsportsguy
223 The only comparable free agent deal from last year would be the Yankees signing of Johnny Damon, he got $52M for 4 years, which is 2 million a year more than J.D's deal but last year the only players they got 5 year deals last year were:
Kevin Millwood, B.J. Ryan, A.J. Burnett, and Paul Konerko, Jarrod Washburn, Ramon Hernandez and Damon were the only players that signed 4 year deals.
2006-09-25 15:06:38
246.   Jacob L
Julio Lugo has been prompting me to update my list of All Time Least Favorite Dodgers (tm), and somehow while mulling all the Juan Samuels of the world, I completely spaced on Darryl Strawberry!?!
2006-09-25 15:07:05
247.   Bluebleeder87
all i know is that this year looks alot better than last & that's the bottom line
2006-09-25 15:07:38
248.   JoeyP
Ditto Drew, though I'll admit in the chemistry dept. he's not Nomar or Saito.

See, this is stuff that I dont understand. What is the difference between JD Drew, and Nomar/Saito in the clubhouse chemistry department?

Does Saito even speak english? How much pregame pep talks has he given?

As for Nomar, he's been hurt some of the season. He's played great in the 1st half, and then cooled way off in the 2nd. He's never been a guy thats been a pillar of chemistry in other places (Boston bc he was basically ran out of town and the team went on to win the WS)...

I dont really see the clubhouse chemistry difference in any of these players.

2006-09-25 15:08:16
249.   Sam DC
238 I just don't really follow. Beltre got a bigger offer from Seattle and follow on reporting has never suggested a larger offer would have been possible from LA if Drew or whoever was not in the picture. SO I don't really see how that supports the assertion that Boras would manipulate his negotiations with one client to the potential benefit of another.

If there was evidence that the Dodgers wanted to offer more for Beltre (which might have priced them out of Drew or something) and Boras steered Beltre away to the Mariners, that would be different.

Anyhow, I guess I just think that Boras takes a lot of unfair hits based on not a lot more than doing his job well. I think there are a number of interesting discussions/criticisms based on his handling of his players and the affect his work has on them and on the game. But I have not seen any evidence that has done anything unethical.

2006-09-25 15:09:59
250.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers are 49-44 at Coors Field since it opened. Unless I made a math error, which is highly likely.
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2006-09-25 15:10:23
251.   Bluebleeder87
246

& don't forget Eric Davis, i remember him with the Reds, wow did he give me goosebumps

37 dingers with 50 stolen bases, & that cool cool swing.

2006-09-25 15:12:35
252.   Jacob L
230 No problem. Add, however, that Garvey was caught stealing a staggering number of times, including 11 in 17 attempts in 1980. His career success rate was something like 57%, but I guess he was "putting pressure on the defense."

When Underdog asked for a Garvey/Cey speed analysis back in 219, I took him at his word.

2006-09-25 15:15:33
253.   Jacob L
251 Eric Davis might place in the running for the Raul Mondesi Award (All Time Most Disappointing Dodger), but he's not on my Least Favorite list. Mostly what he did here was get hurt.
2006-09-25 15:18:24
254.   natepurcell
With the top guys moving up to the majors this year, the subtraction of Aybar, Navarro etal through trades, and the injury issues with LaRoche, would the Dodgers still be considered a top farm system?

we are still a top 5 farm system I think. We got the top spots in the Pioneer and GCL top 20 prospect list. Loney, Elbert and Laroche are still considered prospects. A big time sleeper in Meloan to go along with a potential breakout player in dewitt for next year, we still have a ton of talent down there.

I would say though that the drays have a clear amount ore of talent. its arguable with every other system considering we hold 2 out of the top 3 left handed pitching prospects in the minors.

2006-09-25 15:18:33
255.   JoeyP
The thing with Nomar and chemistry is a tricky one. Playing devil's advocate, one could argue that Nomar hasnt been good for chemistry, bc his own incentive laden contract has led him to accumulate at bats in which if he was a team player, he'd take himself out of the lineup instead of staying in there and hurting the team (but helping himself) in the process.

Just throwing that out there as a tangible thing to look at, when evaluating an intangible (chemistry).

2006-09-25 15:19:17
256.   greenchris
Re: 250...

Thanks a lot!

2006-09-25 15:19:36
257.   Bob Timmermann
I give Eric Davis a break because he was so badly hurt when he was here and I heard him apologize once during a Roy Firestone interview (although he didn't cry) for disappointing L.A. fans by not being able to perform as well as they expected.

Then there is the whole matter of Eric Davis not being as much of a jerk as Raul Mondesi, but few of us in life can reach Raul's level.

2006-09-25 15:22:35
258.   Jacob L
I still say that when Mondesi said, "(Expletive) Davy. (Expletive) Kevin Malone," he was speaking for us all!
2006-09-25 15:22:40
259.   Xeifrank
If JD Drew had a "so called" pulse. How many runs per game would it be worth?
vr, Xei
2006-09-25 15:22:45
260.   bhsportsguy
249 I think you misunderstand me Sam, I am not saying that if Boras thought the market was there for J.D., he would hesitate to have him opt out but he also happens to represent to other players that may want to play for the same team. I just don't know how he cannot view everything in the big picture.

This is also his first opportunity to deal with Ned as the GM of the Dodgers, while I believe he represented Bonds and probably others on the Giants, Ned has never been the guy who has the final say.

Finally, I will say this, I think Boras is a professional at the highest level, he probably only has one problem with the Dodgers and that person resides in Arizona and he only has to deal with him when signing amateur players.

2006-09-25 15:22:51
261.   natepurcell
255

re: money. I dont think Nomar and Mia Hamm are really too concerned with money.

2006-09-25 15:25:07
262.   Xeifrank
I like Johnnie's football analogy. Would John say that today the clock is stopped while the refs move the chain and that tomorrow's game is first and ten? Only Jonn knows? vr, Xei
2006-09-25 15:25:30
263.   Bob Timmermann
Chris Sampson is starting for the Astros tonight in Philadelphia, not Matt Albers. I have a feeling that it's really "Astros staff vs. Randy Wolf"
2006-09-25 15:26:12
264.   Bluebleeder87
227

good point, i know nothing about arbitration "stuff" or other "stuff" for that matter. i knew Saito was good from the get go, i've been quoted on that.

2006-09-25 15:28:00
265.   underdog
Nate, check your email re fantasy trade possibility.

244 D'oh! I knew it was from MP - or should have remembered anyway. "Oh, I'm sorry, sir... We do have one today that's not on the menu. It's a sort of... er... speciality of the house: Live Organ Transplants."

2006-09-25 15:28:36
266.   Bob Timmermann
It's scary that I've seen the Phillies play so much recently, that I can rattle off their batting order without much trouble.

The Phillies are still in it with Abraham Nunez (571 OPS) starting everyday. Mike Lieberthal's name has come up on Charlie Manuel's "Wheel o' Catchers".

2006-09-25 15:30:49
267.   Bob Timmermann
The Cardinals will have Preston Wilson batting leadoff against the Padres today. And they will have Jose Vizcaino starting at shortstop.

Also Mike Thompson is starting instead of David Wells for San Diego.

2006-09-25 15:31:00
268.   underdog
{248] "See, this is stuff that I dont understand. What is the difference between JD Drew, and Nomar/Saito in the clubhouse chemistry department?
Does Saito even speak english? How much pregame pep talks has he given?"

Maybe I meant less "chemistry" than animation - they are more animated and jovial/jocular on the surface than Drew. That's all. I think they seem to all be liked by their teammates from what I gather.

Not sure why your snide response re Saito's English speaking has anything to do with anything - but to answer your question, yes he speaks some English. He's also extremely pumped up when he gets a save and obviously a very fun guy to have around. I've heard this from some of his teammates and from what I've seen.

2006-09-25 15:35:53
269.   Bluebleeder87
259

winning over fans counts for alot in my book, how about your's!!?? but then again you can't be a fony because fans can smell it coming?? what are you're thoughts on that??

2006-09-25 15:38:18
270.   Bluebleeder87
267

not cool!

2006-09-25 15:39:31
271.   bhsportsguy
267 I wonder if Wells is done because they have Williams and Young lined up for the next 2 games and then there next open game is Saturday. But having Thompson pitch is a good for us, lets hope Albert has a big series.
2006-09-25 15:39:45
272.   Bob Timmermann
270

Actually my statement in 267 is just a reflection of what LaRussa has left to work with. Edmonds is likely out for the year. Eckstein hurt his hamstring last night, and is he all that much better than Vizcaino or Miles?

2006-09-25 15:40:12
273.   blue22
254 - How is Loney (97 AB's) still a prospect, but Kemp (158 AB's) not? Is there a playing time threshold?
2006-09-25 15:41:44
274.   blue22
I heard that Anthony Reyes is pitching Wednesday for the Cardinals, and not the listed Jason Marquis. Big plus for the Blue, if true.
2006-09-25 15:42:00
275.   Bob Timmermann
The full lineups:
Houston
Taveras CF
Ensberg 3B
Berkman 1B
Scott LF
Burke 2B
Lane RF
Bruntlett SS
Quintero C
Sampson P

Philadelphia
Rollins SS
Victorino CF
Utley 2B
Howard 1B
Dellucci RF
Burrell LF
Lieberthal C
Nuñez 3B
Wolf P

2006-09-25 15:42:58
276.   Bob Timmermann
Wednesday is

TBD vs. Reyes according to MLB.com

2006-09-25 15:43:29
277.   Bluebleeder87
269

i respect Drew, but am i fan of his no way give me the #'s 5 years pass & good buy, he will just be another so so ex-dodger that didn't pan out.

2006-09-25 15:43:49
278.   Xeifrank
260. Good point. Unfortunately, baseball is both a game and a business and players who are in their contract year (and lugging around an incentive laden contract) will have that shadow hanging over them. It's kind of a no-win situation for Nomar. If he sits (while able to play) then he will take a huge hit (see Manny Ramirez). If he plays hurt and doesn't do well he also will hear some criticism. The Dodgers signed the incentive laden contract, so you can't really blame Nomar for wanting to earn his $$$. vr, Xei
2006-09-25 15:44:18
279.   ssjames
273 Yes, there is a playing limit for prospects, namely whether they will be R.O.Y. eligible, and players lose their R.O.Y. eligibility after 150 ABs.
2006-09-25 15:45:09
280.   natepurcell
273

130ABs and 50IP in the majors for prospect graduation.

2006-09-25 15:45:49
281.   bigcpa
Bob- if we win the west and tie StL in the loss column do they have to replay the missing 162nd game on Monday?
2006-09-25 15:47:17
282.   underdog
Another possibly bad omen for the Pads-Cards game, from Yahoo's "favorable matchups":

M. Piazza SD Career vs J. Suppan
5 HR, 10 RBI, .533 AVG (15 At Bats)
D. Roberts SD Career vs J. Suppan
.667 AVG, 3 SB, 1 HR (9 At Bats)

2006-09-25 15:48:14
283.   xaphor
237. Ah, the Meaning of Life has a quote for any situation…

Maitre d': Et maintenant, would monsieur care for an aperitif, or would he prefer to order straightaway? Today, we have for relievers - excuse me - uh, Gary Majewski soup, Bill Bray parfaits, fried Daryl Thompson strips, Eddie Guardado and chili sauce, sweat Philly Rheal Cormier, rosemary seasoned Kyle Lohse, the tender Ryan Franklin, Scott Schoeneweis on a bed of sauerkraut, Tim Bausher with garlic, or the ever popular Sun-Woo Kim. It's very delicate, very succulent.

GM Krivsky: I'll have the lot.

2006-09-25 15:48:43
284.   Bob Timmermann
281
I believe the Cardinals can play the game if they want to.

The Giants could have made up a game in 2003 to decide home field edge against the Braves, but decided not to.

And then the Giants and Braves both ended up losing in the NLDS.

2006-09-25 15:49:14
285.   blue22
276 - ESPN had Jason Marquis vs. Chris Young this morning.

That had looked like an easy Padre victory. Reyes makes it a bit more competitive.

279/80 - Thanks. I was actually surprised that Loney had so few ab's this year. I thought him and Kemp would be much closer.

2006-09-25 15:49:36
286.   Bluebleeder87
i hope somebody has mlb.tv to give us updates, Bob?
2006-09-25 15:51:05
287.   Xeifrank
269. I guess I need a definition of what "Winning over fans" is. I don't want a player on the Dodgers to be a jerk to the point that it affects the rest of the team or gives the organization a black eye. But other than that, I just want them to win. I could really care less if a player doesn't have a colorful personality. Colorful personalities can be fun, winning is funner. You can't always have both. I will take winning over colorful personalities any day of the lunar month. vr, Xei
2006-09-25 15:51:09
288.   Bob Timmermann
Jason Marquis pitched Saturday.

I don't have mlb.tv because I fear for the decline in my productivity.

2006-09-25 15:51:37
289.   Telemachos
269 I don't get it. Are you saying JD Drew is a phony? Most fans -- generally speaking -- are huge lemminglike masses that surge towards a lowest common demoninator when it comes for rooting for/against people. It can be fun when you're part of the masses (cheering your team, booing Barry), but it's all emotion and no reason or logic.

But while I agree that a GM needs a certain intuitive sense that she/he can rely on, they also need to have a fundamental core of logic and reason, and their plan for the ballclub needs to come from this core.... otherwise they'll always be grasping wildly at the quick fix.

Passion and joy and excitement for a player or a team are wonderful; they are also emotions that I hope a GM would have but not let affect his final decisions.

2006-09-25 15:56:02
290.   DodgerDodger
236

Red Sox fans would be astonished to hear you claim that Nomar has a pulse. Never showed it in Boston. And I was in Fenway for one of his walk off homeruns:

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B04200BOS2003.htm

2006-09-25 15:59:25
291.   Bluebleeder87
289

you took my bate there for i win. ;p

2006-09-25 16:02:13
292.   bigcpa
289 Ned still has to consider the PR hit for letting Nomar walk. Something tells me a Loney/Saenz platoon won't win over the masses.
2006-09-25 16:04:48
293.   Bluebleeder87
292

how about Loney & Kent?

2006-09-25 16:05:58
294.   natepurcell
292

thats why you offer arbitration and only a one year :)

2006-09-25 16:12:20
295.   bigcpa
294 I could be sold on Nomar for 125 starts and Loney for 35+. If Loney hits a ton that's a good problem to have.
2006-09-25 16:12:52
296.   Bob Timmermann
A walk and nothing else for the Astros in the first.
2006-09-25 16:15:59
297.   Bluebleeder87
296

your the best Bob.

2006-09-25 16:18:10
298.   Telemachos
291 At least I didn't bring up Choi, right? :)
2006-09-25 16:18:20
299.   blue22
295 - That's not the direction of the platoon you'd want though - Loney will be doing a lot of sitting.

If Nomar comes back I think I'd feel better about Loney playing everyday in Vegas, if only to build up his trade value.

2006-09-25 16:18:34
300.   Bob Timmermann
Chris Sampson sets down the Phillies in order in the 1st.
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2006-09-25 16:19:00
301.   Jacob L
294 I assume the plan is still to offer arb to Julio Lugo, but I'm starting to worry that there is a risk that he'll accept.
2006-09-25 16:21:33
302.   bhsportsguy
301 He wants to play SS so as long as Raffy is here, he won't accept, the question is what team will want him to play SS, most believe the market will be either Toronto or Boston.
2006-09-25 16:22:16
303.   underdog
301 I agree, but hopefully there's a way to offer arbitration in a lowball way where you'd have to know between the amount and the lack of promise for playing time, it'd be sure that Lugo would turn LA down, and thus... draft picks. But I will be slightly nervous, too.
2006-09-25 16:22:47
304.   Bluebleeder87
301

agreed, he's been that bad.

2006-09-25 16:22:53
305.   bhsportsguy
299 Loney got named the AAA 1st baseman of the year by Baseball America (the only Dodger prospect named to those particular all star teams), so anything he does in the minors may only hurt him at this point.
2006-09-25 16:23:00
306.   blue22
301 - It's almost the same non-risk that offering arbi to Baez was going to present. LA won't offer him what he wants - a starting gig with a multi-year deal.

He's only making $5M this year. He should be able to squeeze a 3/$24M from someone (Red Sox, Blue Jays?).

2006-09-25 16:23:33
307.   Bob Timmermann
And the Astros go down 1-2-3 in the second.
2006-09-25 16:24:55
308.   bhsportsguy
303 Its a risky call, I do not believe you actually put up a figure at the time you make the offer, again the hope would be is that he signs during the winter meetings to automatically give the Dodger draft picks.
2006-09-25 16:27:37
309.   blue22
305 - If they're intent on Nomar coming back (not set in stone by a longshot), then I would like to see what "the AAA 1st baseman of the year" could bring in return. I'm not so sold on Loney that he's an untouchable.

But Loney/Saenz looks dang good. Take Nomar's $8M and add it to the Jason Schmidt fund.

2006-09-25 16:28:05
310.   Bob Timmermann
At arbitration hearings, the numbers aren't put on the table until the hearing starts, but presumably both sides have been negotiating prior to it.
2006-09-25 16:28:50
311.   blue22
308 - He's at $5M this year. The least LA could offer would be, what, $4 or 4.5M? He'll turn that down.
2006-09-25 16:30:31
312.   Daniel Zappala
Loney to the Angels for Santana.
2006-09-25 16:30:48
313.   Jacob L
I'm trying to picture Theo Epstein picturing Julio Lugo as his every day shortstop for the next three years. But then he's been through Nomar, OCab, Renteria, and Gonzalez. I guess anything's possible.
2006-09-25 16:32:40
314.   Bob Timmermann
A 2-out single by Burrell and nothing else for the Phils in the second.
2006-09-25 16:38:49
315.   CanuckDodger
Minor league first basemen have little trade value. The Phillies tried to trade Ryan Howard for a couple years, and no doubt shopped him to the Dodgers, but couldn't get anything worth having. Loney will be playing first base for us next year for sure. Nomar is history. A couple clutch home runs do nothing to detract from the fact that Nomar has been one of the worst offensive players in the National League since the All-Star break. The Dodgers won't trust that gimpy body past this season.
2006-09-25 16:39:08
316.   50 years a Dodger Fan
What about Hall; do we offer him arbitration? By the way, my mother's maiden name was Hall; I wonder if I could be related to The Tobster?
2006-09-25 16:39:41
317.   bhsportsguy
312 I don't think Arte will settle for rookies and that deal doesn't make sense since based on their comps, Kotchman and Morales could be considered equal to Loney and they have him already.

Actually despite all the stories, when it comes down to it, only Aramis Ramirez or in some fantasy world, A-Rod makes sense for the Angels to shore up their offense. You already have a suspect defensive outfield with Anderson and Guerrero at the corners, and even if you play Rivera in LF and Garrett is at DH, none of them can play CF so getting Carlos Lee or Soriano doesn't make sense.

I do expect them to go after A-Rod and maybe trade some of their big prospects, now maybe they can deal for Manny by sending some prospects plus Rivera but can you imagine an outfield with Manny and Vlad in the corners, whoever plays center better get a good pair of shoes.

2006-09-25 16:42:32
318.   bigcpa
317 Don't rule out Nomar at 1b/DH for LAA.
2006-09-25 16:43:40
319.   50 years a Dodger Fan
317 Let them sign Eric Byrnes; that ought to run him down a bit...
2006-09-25 16:45:25
320.   regfairfield
I think there's no way he accepts arbitration. He had three and a half solid seasons before he came to the Dodgers, so people will look at that rather than his current streak. Plus, there's no way he'd stay on the Dodgers, since he'd be stuck in the same role he's in right now, further hurting his chances of cashing in.

Unless Hall is fully confident he can be someones starting catcher (which he can't), don't offer him arbitration. He'd be a fool not to accept.

2006-09-25 16:45:46
321.   blue22
315 - Nomar is history.

I wish I could believe you, but Ned did extend Kent's contract by (potentially) two years. I would not be shocked to see Nomar get a 2-year deal as a "reward" for this year, especially if LA makes a little noise in the playoffs.

If that were to happen, Loney's next year scenarios are:
- rot on the bench
- continue to obliterate Vegas
- get traded for .50 on the dollar

I'm for Vegas.

2006-09-25 16:46:49
322.   Jacob L
320 He'd be a fool not to accept.

We are talking about Toby Hall here.

2006-09-25 16:48:06
323.   Jacob L
BTW, 'stros strand lead off double + 2-out walk in the third.
2006-09-25 16:49:02
324.   blue22
Toby makes $2.25M. Even if a team were to give him a starting gig (Philadelphia, hello!), it's doubtful it would be in the range of his guaranteed arbitration haul from LA.
2006-09-25 16:49:48
325.   Jacob L
And Phils go 1-2-3 in bottom half.
2006-09-25 16:50:04
326.   overkill94
The only thing stopping Lugo from getting a multi-year contract this offseason is a horrible injury or an anti-semitic tirade.
2006-09-25 16:51:40
327.   bhsportsguy
326 Just a reminder, sarcasm is an acquired taste and during this time of year, that joke (I assume it was a joke) is particularily ill timed.
2006-09-25 16:53:15
328.   blue22
326 - Or a recurrence of the incident that got him shipped to Tampa Bay in the first place.
2006-09-25 16:59:38
329.   JoeyP
Lugo might get the Jeff Weaver Free Agent treatment this fall.

Not many teams need a shortstop, and I just dont think Lugo's likely asking price/true ability really mesh well.

2006-09-25 17:04:04
330.   thinkingblue
329.

Toronto may over pay for him

2006-09-25 17:05:24
331.   Bob Timmermann
The Phillies with their first rally. Two on, two out for Burrell.
2006-09-25 17:06:25
332.   Bob Timmermann
Exit Sampson, enter Russ Springer for the Astros.
2006-09-25 17:07:44
333.   thinkingblue
Sampson out in the 4th? interesting, PHI hasn't scored yet
2006-09-25 17:08:59
334.   Bob Timmermann
I'm pretty sure Garner is just pitching "staff" tonight.
2006-09-25 17:10:08
335.   Jacob L
Bases llenos. Hay dos outs.
2006-09-25 17:10:45
336.   Bob Timmermann
El receptor Mike Lieberthal at bat!
2006-09-25 17:11:36
337.   Bob Timmermann
I'm sure the homefield advantage of the adoring Phillies fans helped Lieberthal foul out there.
2006-09-25 17:11:49
338.   thinkingblue
336.

"In play, outs recored"

2006-09-25 17:13:35
339.   Telemachos
Popout for Lieberthal!
2006-09-25 17:13:41
340.   Bluebleeder87
el receptor the los phillies es buen batiador, no lo tomes lightly. spanglish at my best. :o)
2006-09-25 17:15:27
341.   Bluebleeder87
337

los aficionados the phillie, estan pensando con su corazon in no con su coco! :o)

2006-09-25 17:16:26
342.   Jacob L
Have the Astros been fielding this lineup for a while? This is bringing back visions of 1991.
2006-09-25 17:16:40
343.   Bluebleeder87
341

coco meaning "dome" or coconut (sp?)

2006-09-25 17:17:40
344.   Bob Timmermann
1st and 2nd with one out and the top of the order up for the Astros in the 5th.
2006-09-25 17:18:15
345.   Jacob L
Exit Springer for pinch hitter (Jimerson), who comes through with a single. Stros now threatening.
2006-09-25 17:18:38
346.   Bob Timmermann
This is about the best offensive lineup the Astros can field now.
2006-09-25 17:19:06
347.   Jacob L
Otra vez, bases llenos. Hay solamente un out.
2006-09-25 17:19:07
348.   Bob Timmermann
Hitting Willy Taveras with a pitch is not a good thing.
2006-09-25 17:20:12
349.   Bluebleeder87
please score stros!
2006-09-25 17:21:02
350.   Bob Timmermann
Sac fly by Ensberg makes it Houston 1, Philadelphia 0.
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2006-09-25 17:21:17
351.   bigcpa
1-0 StL too!
2006-09-25 17:21:18
352.   bhsportsguy
Duncan homers for the Cards, again Padres down by one early in the game.
2006-09-25 17:21:35
353.   Jacob L
Sac fly Ensberg. IBB to Berkman. Bases llenos. Dos outs.
2006-09-25 17:21:39
354.   Bob Timmermann
All 3 runners advanced and Berkman is getting walked with two outs to load the bases for Luke Scott.
2006-09-25 17:22:48
355.   underdog
DodgerThoughts = GameDay today (hee)
2006-09-25 17:22:51
356.   Bluebleeder87
los Astros me estan asiendo sentir como los 50's cuando no avia forma de conecto? gracias Bob. por to 21st century coneccion.
2006-09-25 17:22:59
357.   Jacob L
Use the force, Luke. (Sorry, couldn't help it.)
2006-09-25 17:24:35
358.   Bluebleeder87
me gusta este anticipo, gracias astros i cardenales
2006-09-25 17:24:38
359.   dzzrtRatt
The correct answer is: Offer Lugo arbitration. He won't accept, but if he does, fine. Based on his numbers for LA, I think arbitration will not go as poorly as everyone assumes. Kim Ng will go in there and say, "He's a utility player. He doesn't play every day." His low BA and fielding miscues will take a toll.

Then, if we end up signing him, it will be for one year only. And that makes him an extremely tradeable asset.

So: Best case, he leaves, Dodgers get two draft picks. Worst case, we sign him for one year and immediately trade him to the Blue Jays for what is probably the equivalent of two draft picks.

Where am I wrong?

2006-09-25 17:24:40
360.   Greg Brock
This New Orleans thing is really great. The fact that they got local musicians like U2 and Green Day really says a lot about the whole thing.

It would be even more awesome if there was any kind of music that was easily identified with New Orleans. I don't know, some kind of music with brass instruments. Alas, no such music exists.

2006-09-25 17:25:16
361.   underdog
Meanwhile, Jae Seo's pitching line today vs. Yankees:

1.2IP 7ER 8R 8H 2BB 2HRs

2006-09-25 17:25:58
362.   Bob Timmermann
That Luke is not my father.

Now I can break into a few verses of "Wandy" in honor of the new Astros pitcher.

2006-09-25 17:27:34
363.   bhsportsguy
354 I think the plan for anybody playing the Astros is to walk Berkman whenever possible.
2006-09-25 17:28:38
364.   Jacob L
Pads threatening in 2nd (sigh).
2006-09-25 17:29:33
365.   overkill94
327 Sorry if I offended anyone, I was just going with the latest celebrity faux pas as a means for humor. I would've gone with illegally monitoring someone's phone records, but it didn't have quite the same cache.
2006-09-25 17:30:22
366.   Bob Timmermann
And the Phils have two on and two out for Utley.
2006-09-25 17:31:51
367.   Jacob L
365 The could be a rule 5 violation, but I'm perfectly willing to let it slide. And I wasn't offended by the earlier post, though I suppose I'm among those that could be.

Was that cryptic enough?

2006-09-25 17:32:15
368.   Telemachos
1-1 in Saint Looie.

2 on, 1 out for the Padres.

2006-09-25 17:32:18
369.   underdog
Darn Suppan. I guess the "unfavorable matchup" thing was true to form.
2006-09-25 17:33:47
370.   underdog
This Jew wasn't offended - was obviously just using that as an example of something terrible - but I could understand why some folks might be sensitive these days.
2006-09-25 17:34:08
371.   overkill94
367 I was referring to the Hewlett-Packard scandal, nothing politics-related.

I'd be the last one to bring up anything political, the only thing I ever voted for was student body elections in college because I wanted the hot chicks to win.

2006-09-25 17:35:20
372.   Bob Timmermann
Bases loaded, 2 outs for Ryan Howard in Philly.
2006-09-25 17:35:41
373.   Telemachos
Bases juiced for Ryan Howard.

uh-oh.

2006-09-25 17:37:08
374.   Jacob L
Bad guys up in both games now.
2006-09-25 17:37:10
375.   Bob Timmermann
At least it was just a 2-run single for Howard....
2006-09-25 17:37:46
376.   Bob Timmermann
And Wandy has blown Russ Springer's chance for a win!
2006-09-25 17:38:22
377.   Bob Timmermann
And it's snowing in Philadelphia!

Fernando Nieve in the game.

Time to go home for me.

2006-09-25 17:38:32
378.   Telemachos
Both games go from 1-0 to 2-1 within minutes.

Dammit.

2006-09-25 17:39:11
379.   underdog
According to Yahoo, the Padres just skipped right over Dave Roberts and went straight to Giles after the pitcher grounded out.
2006-09-25 17:39:36
380.   overkill94
370 Because of Rosh Hashanah? Isn't it just the Jewish New Year? I don't mean to be insensitive, just trying to feel out the situation. One of my best friends is a practicing Jew, but he doesn't really elaborate about the holidays all that much.
2006-09-25 17:39:53
381.   Jacob L
Exit Wandy. Enter Nieve.
2006-09-25 17:40:29
382.   joekings
379- Unfortunately I think the 5-1 score is correct.
2006-09-25 17:40:48
383.   bhsportsguy
Again, I only raised it as a possible heads up, the written word can only be interpreted as you read it, there is no inflection, wink of an eye, etc.

If DT was only read by those who post regularly, I wouldn't worry but Jon's made a name for himself this year so I think we get a lot of lurkers out there.

2006-09-25 17:40:50
384.   Vishal
5-1 padres. disgusting. stupid cardinals.
2006-09-25 17:41:07
385.   overkill94
Will either of these teams ever lose?
2006-09-25 17:41:45
386.   Greg Brock
380 Quit apologizing. It wasn't offensive in the slightest. It takes effort and the thinnest skin this side of Phyllis Diller to be offended by an obvious joke.

Relax...You're in the clear.

2006-09-25 17:43:34
387.   joekings
I have a feeling the game in philly is about to get out of hand.
2006-09-25 17:43:41
388.   Bluebleeder87
Jewish holidays & the Dodgers don't mix.
2006-09-25 17:44:51
389.   Jacob L
Well, San Diego's probably not going to blow a four run lead with their bullpen and Houston's probably not going to win with revolving door pitchers and one legitimate hitter. A promising day looks promising no more.

Not that San Diego would never blow four run leads . . .

2006-09-25 17:44:54
390.   Greg S
I would sure hope that saying "anti-semitic tirade" doesn't qualify as offering one.
2006-09-25 17:45:15
391.   MMSMikey
thanks suppan, you can shut down the dodgers everytime you pitch against them but cant do anything against the padres.
2006-09-25 17:46:47
392.   das411
Wow, GHWB looks pretty good for a 90 year old ex-President.

386 - The Clear? A WITCH!!!!!

2006-09-25 17:46:47
393.   Telemachos
2 on and 2 out, Suppan coming up to bat.

Do you pull him in the second inning? I'm sure La Russa won't.

2006-09-25 17:46:53
394.   underdog
Honestly, the Cards don't deserve to make the playoffs - their pitching's made ours look rock solid and consistent. After Carpenter it's been close to an abomination other than Reyes occasionally. Phil, SD and LA (and Houston) all have played better as of late. But anyway, hopefully they (StL) can come back.
2006-09-25 17:47:10
395.   Greg S
387. Nope. Tie game. 2-2
2006-09-25 17:47:16
396.   Jacob L
Woo hoo!
2006-09-25 17:47:40
397.   Telemachos
Thank you Jason Lane!
2006-09-25 17:49:04
398.   Greg S
388. Getting closer. Perhaps we should just drop it.
2006-09-25 17:49:32
399.   underdog
And the Cards had 2 on base with the pitcher up and let Suppan bat, thinking he can suddenly get it together on the mound. LaRussa should've done like the Astros and do a committee approach today. (Not that that is working all that great so far either.)
2006-09-25 17:49:38
400.   overkill94
I need everyone to send good vibes out for the Falcons defense, Joe Horn, and Marques Colston so that all my fantasy teams can win this week.
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2006-09-25 17:50:06
401.   Jacob L
Exit Nieve for pinch hitter (Biggio). At this rate, Biggio might stay in the game to pitch an inning.
2006-09-25 17:50:07
402.   underdog
Oops, woo hoo! Scratch my parenthetical above.
2006-09-25 17:50:25
403.   Sam DC
That black church opening bit on ESPN's MNF show had my wife in near-tears.

At least, I think she hadn't glanced over and seen the San Diego score . . .

2006-09-25 17:50:58
404.   underdog
I have Colston, too, but unless he and the NO kicker go off tonight my fantasy team is doomed for the week.
2006-09-25 17:51:31
405.   Jacob L
Exit Wolf. Enter Madson.
2006-09-25 17:52:03
406.   overkill94
You can't stop Humberto Quintero, you can only hope to contain him.
2006-09-25 17:53:23
407.   Sam DC
bhsportsguy -- I abandoned our discussion before seeing 260 (real life and all). No real follow up comment, just wanted to acknowledge the comment.
2006-09-25 17:53:35
408.   bhsportsguy
Since we last played the Cardinals, they have gone 24-33, barely playing at a .400 pace.

Fortunately for them, the Astros only began to play well otherwise they could be looking up instead of trying to slide into the playoffs.

2006-09-25 17:54:08
409.   overkill94
If that extra point the Falcons D "gave up" is the only scoring the Saints do tonight, I'm gonna be very upset considering it has already cost me 5 points.
2006-09-25 17:55:12
410.   Bluebleeder87
i swear i feel like the guys that useualy are bad mouthing gameday, except i'm not using game day i'm using Dodger thoughts, thank you DT for not being bad like gameday.
2006-09-25 17:55:56
411.   natepurcell
warrick dunn needs 200 yards and 2 tds for me to win.

pshhh, not worried at all.

2006-09-25 17:56:27
412.   dzzrtRatt
The Astros will only be 2.5 out if things go well for them tonight. There have been worse collapses. And while the Cards play SD, they play Pittsburgh.

I realize no one here cares, but if the Cardinals start really freaking out, maybe they'll freakin' play better!

2006-09-25 17:57:04
413.   Telemachos
What's the record for DT posts on an off day? I suspect the record may be set today.
2006-09-25 17:57:48
414.   bhsportsguy
In other races, I am sure there is a cheer everytime they post an update in the Metrodome tonight as Cleveland as taken a 10-1 lead in the 6th, so if the Twins can beat the Royals (oxymoran perhaps) they too can clinch at least the wildcard, leaving the A's and Angels out west to settle their business.
2006-09-25 17:59:06
415.   das411
412 - Dzz, I am rooting for an incredible Cardinal collapse if only for the sheer symmetry there would be with 1964.
2006-09-25 17:59:28
416.   Greg S
First and third nobody out in St. Louis with Pujols coming up.
2006-09-25 18:00:01
417.   Sam DC
Pujols up, first and third, no outs.
2006-09-25 18:01:13
418.   overkill94
Phew, one of the guys I'm trying to get a comeback victory against has Crumpler, that TD would have been a real back-breaker.
2006-09-25 18:01:32
419.   overkill94
Ha, 2 in a row!
2006-09-25 18:01:46
420.   Sam DC
Singles, 5-2 SD, Rolen coming up.

It's really great to actually be able to root for Pujols when it couts.

2006-09-25 18:02:01
421.   overkill94
5-2, 2 on, no outs, hope springs eternal!
2006-09-25 18:02:59
422.   Bluebleeder87
413

i don't know the record but i've seen 800+ with out my me & i'm good for atleast 80+ comments a game.

2006-09-25 18:03:25
423.   Greg S
420. That's funny, I was thinking the same thing. First time I've been excited about Albert and not scared of him.
2006-09-25 18:04:03
424.   Sam DC
Hope sinks.
2006-09-25 18:04:03
425.   overkill94
And Rolen hits into the DP, thanks a lot Cards.
2006-09-25 18:04:33
426.   Greg S
Pads get out of it with no more damage. =(
2006-09-25 18:05:58
427.   MMSMikey
this is not looking good, rollins just hit a pop up homerun.
2006-09-25 18:06:02
428.   Bluebleeder87
there's still hope 425 & 426
2006-09-25 18:06:14
429.   Greg S
When can something good happen?
4-2 Phillies.
2006-09-25 18:07:05
430.   Sam DC
Good heavens, Rollins has 25 home runs. I really had no idea he could do that.
2006-09-25 18:07:57
431.   Telemachos
Jimmy Rollins is dead to me.
2006-09-25 18:08:59
432.   MMSMikey
why would anyone ever pitch to poo-holes when you have an escape hatch on deck?
2006-09-25 18:09:39
433.   Bluebleeder87
427

it's called a phillie HRrun

2006-09-25 18:20:20
434.   Greg S
The Padres have won 9 out of 12 and the Philies have won 11 of 13. And they've both winning tonight. If they keep doing this for another six days, what can you do? You gotta figure they can't keep this up.
Don't you?
2006-09-25 18:20:27
435.   Bluebleeder87
what part of the park was it hit?
2006-09-25 18:21:03
436.   Bluebleeder87
434

exactly

2006-09-25 18:22:00
437.   das411
Sam, when you are batting ahead of Chase! Utley! and Ryan Howard, you get plenty of pitches to see.

433 - Actually Bb87, the Phils moved the LF wall back this year, see www.thegoodphight.com for some more discussion about this.

2006-09-25 18:24:19
438.   Bob Timmermann
The White Sox are apparently going to go down without firing a shot. They are getting clobbered tonight.

The AL could be settled tonight.

2006-09-25 18:25:33
439.   Sam DC
So two on two out for Chris Burke.

I know he can hit a home run.

I watched him do it on tv once!

2006-09-25 18:25:33
440.   overkill94
I assume a pitching change for the Phillies here, Burke hits lefties a lot better than righties. Is it Geary time?
2006-09-25 18:28:35
441.   Greg Brock
Sacks drunk for Lane.

Come on you stupid Astros!

2006-09-25 18:30:09
442.   Bob Timmermann
Time for the triumphal return of Jim Edmonds!
2006-09-25 18:30:35
443.   Sam DC
Two on the corners at Busch as well. One out. Edmonds in to PH.

The Tension!!

2006-09-25 18:30:44
444.   Greg Brock
Edmonds Bomb!!!!

Edmonds for Galactic Emperor!

5-5

2006-09-25 18:30:49
445.   overkill94
The youngest flying Molina brother just choked with 1st and 3rd nobody out, now it's up to woozy Jim Edmonds to get the job done.
2006-09-25 18:31:15
446.   Greg S
Bob, regarding those Dodger offensive records that you were talking about this morning, are those LA Dodger records or all time?
2006-09-25 18:31:17
447.   Bob Timmermann
That was sufficiently triumphal.
2006-09-25 18:31:18
448.   Sam DC
429: Meet Jim Edmonds!
2006-09-25 18:31:37
449.   adraymond
Edmonds! Yes!!
2006-09-25 18:31:47
450.   overkill94
Heh, Jimmy must have been sandbagging it this whole time while saying he wasn't feeling "right". He was just waiting for the perfect moment to unleash the fury.
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2006-09-25 18:32:18
451.   Bob Timmermann
446
Those are LA records. The Brooklyn records are all much higher. The 1953 Dodgers slugged .448!
2006-09-25 18:32:22
452.   Greg S
Edmonds has my vote!!
2006-09-25 18:32:46
453.   Sam DC
And in Philly we have the old pull out the guy who just hit a home run move.
2006-09-25 18:33:00
454.   das411
So who's with me in starting a petition to change Geoff Geary's Gameday pic to a cropped version of the one here?

http://tinyurl.com/r2ug4 (scroll down)

2006-09-25 18:33:08
455.   overkill94
The immortal Orlando Palmeiro, he of the .620 OPS against righties, is in to save the day for the Astros. How did this guy ever get the reputation of being a good hitter?
2006-09-25 18:33:13
456.   Bob Timmermann
But Orlando Palmeiro will give you a professional at bat!
2006-09-25 18:33:18
457.   MMSMikey
well lets hope the cards can score more, they dont want to get into a bullpen battle with the pads they will lose.
2006-09-25 18:33:44
458.   Greg Brock
Palmeiro for Pope!
2006-09-25 18:34:00
459.   Bob Timmermann
Matt Smith no longer has a career ERA of 0.00
2006-09-25 18:34:02
460.   Greg S
448. Indeed! I missed it because I was watching the exciting Astros inning.
Which just got more exciting! Good things abound!
2006-09-25 18:35:06
461.   Bob Timmermann
On TV, you can hear a Philadelphia heckler yelling "Geary had a little lamb!"
2006-09-25 18:35:06
462.   adraymond
WooHoo! Pinch hitters are coming through.
2006-09-25 18:35:11
463.   confucius
I love it when a plan comes together!
2006-09-25 18:35:14
464.   Greg S
457 We can always rely on MMSMikey to find the dark side of the brightest moment.
2006-09-25 18:35:42
465.   MMSMikey
atkins in for the padres, im surprised hes not in a neck brace from homerun number 2 of 4 from drew last monday.
2006-09-25 18:35:44
466.   overkill94
I need to start berating pinch-hitters more often, it's working like a charm tonight.
2006-09-25 18:36:16
467.   ToyCannon
Nice last 5 minutes for DT fans. I thought Edmunds was done for the year. Always one of my favorite players I'm glad he came through for us. Not a great time to have head problems in your option year. I'd like him in CF for us even for 100 games, let Kemp play the other 62.
2006-09-25 18:37:16
468.   MMSMikey
hey what can i say? i've suffered.almost as bad as don sutton, pitching for the dodgers from 1966 to 1980.
2006-09-25 18:37:31
469.   Bob Timmermann
Going to the 5th in St. Louis. Both starters are out and it will be up to the bullpens. I believe Bruce Bochy sent Rudy Seanez to go get toasted ravioli for everybody to keep him busy.
2006-09-25 18:37:42
470.   overkill94
Mike Lamb has a unibrow, now hit a homer neanderthal!
2006-09-25 18:38:35
471.   bhsportsguy
444 I thought you were just hoping out loud since I did not have gameday up so when I went back and checked I was surprised, okay time to go home and hope one if not both of these teams come through.
2006-09-25 18:40:04
472.   Greg S
DTV Extra Innings officially became woth the investment over the last 10 minutes.
2006-09-25 18:40:12
473.   MMSMikey
wow lamb is having a battle
2006-09-25 18:40:22
474.   Bob Timmermann
The big AB in this inning for the Astros was by Scott. He showed Oakland-like plate discipline.
2006-09-25 18:40:28
475.   overkill94
A long silence in the box score either means Lamb's fouling off a lot of pitches or they're trying to type in all the runners moving bases. Come on option #2!
2006-09-25 18:40:43
476.   MMSMikey
base hit!
2006-09-25 18:40:44
477.   Sam DC
And in meaningless games, Nationals now up 7-2 on the MEts and OF Guillermo Mota has come in to pitch in the 8th. Ryan Zimmerman has his 102-04 RsBI and his 46th double.

If they hold on, Nats will take the series 3 games to 1, and take a one game lead in the MASN Cup.

2006-09-25 18:41:04
478.   Bob Timmermann
E-4 to give the Astros the lead?

Or perhaps a hit?

2006-09-25 18:41:12
479.   Greg Brock
Mike Lamb for Undersecretary of Health and Human Services!
2006-09-25 18:41:34
480.   confucius
469 That doesn't make me feel good. I think the bullpen advantage goes to the Pads.
2006-09-25 18:41:36
481.   Bob Timmermann
475
A little of both!
2006-09-25 18:42:08
482.   MMSMikey
we are all getting really excited, but lets not forget the dodgers have to go out there and win.
2006-09-25 18:42:39
483.   Greg Brock
482 Hey Eyor, we get it already!

Let there be joy!

2006-09-25 18:43:06
484.   ToyCannon
Hard to believe that the Card bullpen can outdo the Padre bullpen but maybe a tired bullpen will el foldo against Pujols/Rolen and Wainwright/Looper can find the early season magic.

Houston is as hot as you can be with such a bizarre offensive lineup. Luke Scott is the Astro answer to Ethier the only difference is that Scott is doing his hitting at the end of the year while Ethier did his in the beginning and middle.

2006-09-25 18:43:16
485.   Bob Timmermann
The White Sox have lost, so the Twins can clinch if they hold on to their 2-0 lead over KC at home.
2006-09-25 18:43:54
486.   Sam DC
Nice last 5 minutes for DT fans.

Sign #6472335 you might be living the season just a little too closely.

2006-09-25 18:44:21
487.   MMSMikey
how many frikkin realievers do the phillies have?
2006-09-25 18:44:32
488.   oswald
this is sad. instead of going to the gym, i'm sitting here watching the phillies and padres on gameday. the dodgers better make the playoffs so that it will compensate for me dying fat and alone.
2006-09-25 18:45:26
489.   Bob Timmermann
488
Try to die on the toilet too for the full effect.
2006-09-25 18:45:34
490.   Bluebleeder87
give me the score please??
2006-09-25 18:45:43
491.   Greg Brock
488 Hey, dying fat and alone is alright.

Worked out pretty well for Marlon Brando.

2006-09-25 18:46:14
492.   Bob Timmermann
487
It's September. There are many relievers.

This half inning has lasted longer than 30 minutes.

2006-09-25 18:46:34
493.   oswald
489 lol
2006-09-25 18:46:55
494.   Bob Timmermann
5-4 Houston going to the bottom of the 7th.
2006-09-25 18:47:47
495.   Sam DC
Does Adam Everett really count as an "Offensive Replacement"?

I guess, if you pronounce the first word the right way he does.

2006-09-25 18:48:05
496.   Greg S
490
http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/mlb/scoreboard
2006-09-25 18:48:12
497.   overkill94
Darn, I didn't have time to berate Adam Everett for having dopey ears. I'll take the blame for his pop-up.
2006-09-25 18:49:12
498.   Bob Timmermann
I believe Adam Everett led the league in Olneys one year.
2006-09-25 18:50:05
499.   Bluebleeder87
494

i love it

2006-09-25 18:50:08
500.   Greg S
I didn't know that Adkins could throw pitches that aren't hit for home runs. Hadn't seen that out of him before.
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2006-09-25 18:50:12
501.   Bob Timmermann
Brad Ausmus is in the game now. Every month "Brad Ausmus" is one of the top 10 Google search phrases to find the Griddle. And I can't recall ever writing about him.
2006-09-25 18:50:59
502.   Bob Timmermann
"Old friend" Trever Miller now pitching for Houston.
2006-09-25 18:51:02
503.   oswald
491 yes, but somehow fat never works well for women. call me pessimistic.
2006-09-25 18:53:03
504.   Greg Brock
491 Shelley Winters had it goin' on.

What?

2006-09-25 18:53:25
505.   Bob Timmermann
Ahh, there it is. Brad Ausmus appeared in a piece where I mentioned he was second in the NL in GIDPs.

And Ausmus appeared in another piece I wrote on GIDPs.

Brad Ausmus grounds into a lot of DPs. And Brad Ausmus must have a fan who obsessively Googles him.

2006-09-25 18:53:46
506.   Greg S
Ryan Howard pops up. That could be his last at bat of the game (we can hope). 2 outs nobody on in the Phillies 7th.
2006-09-25 18:54:23
507.   Greg Brock
505 That fan would be Brad Ausmus.

Brad Ausmus love The Griddle.

2006-09-25 18:55:09
508.   Greg S
505. Careful Bob. Now all of those "Brad Ausmus" hits are going to go to DodgerThoughts.
2006-09-25 18:55:46
509.   Bob Timmermann
The most famous person I know who has read the Griddle is Buzzie Bavasi. He emailed me about something I wrote.
2006-09-25 18:56:27
510.   Sam DC
Well,as a companion to 420, it's somewhat disconcerting to be relying on Brad Lidge.

Even though I know he is, in the abstract, very good.

2006-09-25 18:58:00
511.   Bob Timmermann
There are only three people in Jon's Top 10 this month from Google hits.

I will share them because I consider them to the be "The Big Three":

Hong-Chih Kuo
Bert Blyleven
Ellen Pompeo

2006-09-25 18:58:31
512.   Greg Brock
510
Even though I know he is, in the abstract, very good.

Cubism, Abstract Expressionism, or Neoplasticism?

2006-09-25 18:58:51
513.   Daniel Zappala
If Brad Lidge comes in during the 7th now, who is the Houston closer?
2006-09-25 18:59:32
514.   Daniel Zappala
509 That's validation, Bob. You must sleep well at night.
2006-09-25 18:59:49
515.   Bob Timmermann
Dan Wheeler is the Houston closer now.
2006-09-25 18:59:50
516.   Sam DC
That is one dedicated Brad Ausmus fan. I googled Brad Ausmus and went through 10 pages of results wihtout getting to The Griddle.
2006-09-25 19:00:25
517.   oswald
any reason why wells didn't go for the padres tonight?
2006-09-25 19:00:34
518.   Greg S
511. But can Ellen Pompeo start on 3 days rest?
2006-09-25 19:00:52
519.   Bob Timmermann
Buzzie is supposed to be pretty adept at using a computer for a guy in his 90s.
2006-09-25 19:01:34
520.   Vishal
wait, lidge was brought in during the 7th with 2 outs and nobody on? why?
2006-09-25 19:02:18
521.   Bob Timmermann
Lidge pitched in the 6th last night.
2006-09-25 19:02:23
522.   Vishal
oops, i missed that bit about wheeler being the closer. that's sad.
2006-09-25 19:02:58
523.   Greg S
519 He would probably be among the most interesting baseball people you could talk with. I base this on his history, not his personality as I have never met the man.
2006-09-25 19:04:15
524.   Bob Timmermann
523

Buzzie knows where all the bodies are buried.

2006-09-25 19:06:36
525.   Sam DC
Wimpy Paciorek: "Well I tell ya, everything that Minnesota does these days turns to gold."

Sam DC: Well, not so much that bringing Liriano back from his DL stint.

2006-09-25 19:07:03
526.   Bob Timmermann
The Astros broadcast had an ad from "The Foundation for a Better Life."

It's almost like Festivus!

2006-09-25 19:07:22
527.   oswald
jose vizcaino is still alive!? this joke is still being made?! unbelievable?!
2006-09-25 19:08:39
528.   still bevens
516 In spite of his inability to hit, Ausmus is somewhat popular in Houston. He was batting .300 in April and part of May and I was beginning to wonder if he had signed a contract with Satan along with Adam Everet, who was also batting .300 at the time. I see time has straightened all that out.
2006-09-25 19:15:13
529.   MMSMikey
isnt aaron miles that little bootleg second baseman that used to kill the dodgers? (albiet only at coors field) there have been a few of those, nefi perez, tom goodwin (barf)
2006-09-25 19:15:17
530.   Greg Brock
I would just like to go on record as saying that the production value of local Houston advertisements makes Romper Room look like the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
2006-09-25 19:16:02
531.   Sam DC
Oh dear. Trying to find my way to pulling for Preston Wilson, but it's not easy.
2006-09-25 19:17:00
532.   Greg S
531. Don't bother. It wouldn't have helped.
2006-09-25 19:17:41
533.   Sam DC
Well, that didn't work out so well.

Maybe I never really got behind my rooting.

2006-09-25 19:18:04
534.   Bluebleeder87
524

Buzzie will never talk!!

2006-09-25 19:18:14
535.   MMSMikey
is qualls houstons closer?
2006-09-25 19:18:36
536.   Greg Brock
Chad Qualls, pride of Harbor CC.
2006-09-25 19:18:50
537.   Greg S
Nice! 3 outs to go in Houston.
2006-09-25 19:19:33
538.   MMSMikey
harbor CC, baby! the Seahawks!
2006-09-25 19:20:40
539.   MMSMikey
brian giles just had the luckiest double ever, no not ever. but almost as bad as jasons bays againts kuo the other night.
2006-09-25 19:23:04
540.   Sam DC
Well, I'm no big fan of the IBB, but I could behind putting Piazza on here.
2006-09-25 19:23:18
541.   Bob Timmermann
15 pitchers used so far in the Astros-Phillies game. If one more pitcher comes in and the game goes just nine, that will match the major league record for most pitchers in a game.

A couple weeks ago, the Rockies and DBacks used 19 pitchers in an extra inning game.

2006-09-25 19:23:50
542.   Sam DC
540 I was right! I was right!
2006-09-25 19:23:56
543.   Bob Timmermann
540
You should have told LaRussa that!
2006-09-25 19:24:08
544.   Greg S
I'm no fan of "infield in" and that showed why. Chopper by Piazza makes it 6-5 Padres.
2006-09-25 19:25:25
545.   Bob Timmermann
I have a hard time believing that putting Manny Alexander into any baseball game could ever be considered a positive, but go figure.
2006-09-25 19:26:22
546.   MMSMikey
545
and batting 3rd.
2006-09-25 19:26:32
547.   Bob Timmermann
There will definitely be AT LEAST 16 pitchers since Qualls is being pinch-hit for.

9 pitchers for the Astros will tie the NL record for a 9-inning game. If the game goes just nine innings....

2006-09-25 19:27:19
548.   Greg S
545 Manny Alexander evil eyed me repeatedly the night of the 4 home run game. He is now my mortal enemy.
2006-09-25 19:28:05
549.   Bob Timmermann
In 2004, the Orioles used 10 pitchers in a 9-inning game:
http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B09120BAL2004.htm

They would best be described as "motley"

2006-09-25 19:28:16
550.   MMSMikey
here we go, meradith, linebrink, hoffman.
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2006-09-25 19:28:43
551.   Sam DC
Sir Albert coming up . . .
2006-09-25 19:29:10
552.   Bob Timmermann
548
He'll probably plant steroids in your car next.
2006-09-25 19:32:34
553.   Sam DC
Sir Albert going down . . .
2006-09-25 19:32:38
554.   overkill94
2 more outs for the 'Stros, come on Wheels!
2006-09-25 19:32:44
555.   Bob Timmermann
One out in Philly. Victorino up.
2006-09-25 19:36:06
556.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Wow, super exiciting game.... Vic really battling.
2006-09-25 19:36:18
557.   Bob Timmermann
All up to Utley now.
2006-09-25 19:36:21
558.   MMSMikey
utley scares me with that PORCH in right.
2006-09-25 19:37:18
559.   MMSMikey
haha the houston announcer "the dodgers who are idle are big fans of the astros right now."
2006-09-25 19:37:49
560.   ToyCannon
If Houston holds on and the Card's lose today and tomorrow with Carpenter pitching the Card's might start wetting their pants.
2006-09-25 19:39:38
561.   Yu-Hsing Chen
2 away, it's up to Utley now
2006-09-25 19:39:47
562.   scareduck
Phillies are idiots for giving up Abreu. Karma demands they pay.
2006-09-25 19:40:22
563.   Bob Timmermann
Gentlemen, we have a tie for second in the Andy Ashby division.
2006-09-25 19:40:29
564.   Greg S
YES! Back in a tie for playoff berth!
2006-09-25 19:40:32
565.   Greg Brock
We win!

Sort of.

2006-09-25 19:40:42
566.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Houston win..............
2006-09-25 19:40:54
567.   Sam DC
Checkered Jerseys all around!
2006-09-25 19:41:00
568.   scareduck
5-4 Astros! Hot dog!
2006-09-25 19:41:44
569.   Sam DC
So, Juan Encarnacion can hit Cla Meredith no problem, right?
2006-09-25 19:41:52
570.   overkill94
Time for Cla Meredith to remember he's not unstoppable.
2006-09-25 19:42:04
571.   Bob Timmermann
Should I get the checkered jersey out of the dirty clothes basket?
2006-09-25 19:42:42
572.   sanchez101
562. I dont get any of this IDOITIC "the Phillies are winning b/c they traded Abreu". Think of how many MORE runs Howard couldve drove in if Abreu and his .400+ OBP were still on the team.
2006-09-25 19:42:47
573.   Greg S
563 Huh? I'm confused. We do?
2006-09-25 19:43:06
574.   MMSMikey
great at bat by spezio.
2006-09-25 19:44:00
575.   JoeyP
With the Astros playing the Pirates their next 3 games, the NL Central could get awfully close.
2006-09-25 19:44:15
576.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres lead the Andy Ashby Division.

The Phillies and Dodgers are the only other members.

2006-09-25 19:44:59
577.   Greg S
576 I though the Andy Ashby Division is the NL West.
2006-09-25 19:46:07
578.   clopez
Come on Schu!
2006-09-25 19:46:53
579.   Sam DC
Need one more baserunner to ensure this game gets to Pujols.
2006-09-25 19:47:59
580.   gpellamjr
An open letter to the Astros:

I have always disliked you. But as a Dodger fan I shall never forget the service you have rendered in the last five days.

Greg Pellam

2006-09-25 19:49:13
581.   MMSMikey
is it just me, or do blum and barfield at 2nd and short get the easiest 1 hop plays?
2006-09-25 19:49:13
582.   Gagne55
The Pads removed Meradeth. Come on Shoemaker.
2006-09-25 19:50:09
583.   Terry A
It's just you.
2006-09-25 19:50:21
584.   Bob Timmermann
577
Andy Ashby didn't play for all the teams in the NL West. He missed out on the Giants.
2006-09-25 19:51:02
585.   MMSMikey
what does "A" stand for terry?
2006-09-25 19:51:17
586.   Bob Timmermann
8-1 Twins in the 9th. 3 outs from the playoffs.
2006-09-25 19:51:38
587.   Gagne55
576 Ashby also played briefly for Atlanta and Colorado.
2006-09-25 19:52:03
588.   overkill94
The Twins are bringing in Joe Nathan to close out an 8-1 game against Tampa Bay even though he has pitched the last two nights. Are they really that worried about clinching a playoff spot by winning today's game?
2006-09-25 19:52:20
589.   Terry A
My last name. :)
2006-09-25 19:52:59
590.   Louis in SF
In looking for a bright side tonight in addition to the Philly loss, if San Diego ends up beating St. Louis, with Houston's win tonight, the Cardnials will be extra motivated tomorrow and Wednesday, hopefully taking two out of 3. We of course must take care of some serious business-Colorado will be tough and the Giants with Houston's win I believe are now offically eliminated from the Wild Card.they were eliminated yesterday from the division.
2006-09-25 19:53:41
591.   Greg S
585 Mikey, where you are negative with nearly every single post you add, eventually someone, if not everyone, will get annoyed.
2006-09-25 19:53:51
592.   Gagne55
Thinks looked grim for the St. louis Cards
the score was six to five
but if they could send up Pujols
it would keep the game alive
2006-09-25 19:55:21
593.   Bob Timmermann
588
Nathan was warmed up and if you nail down this one, you can let him rest.
2006-09-25 19:55:28
594.   Gagne55
But Duncan was ahead of him
so too Wilson and Miles
The former was a coach's son
the others brought no smiles
2006-09-25 19:56:14
595.   Greg S
591 Sorry if that's a rule (or multiple rule) violation but I needed to say it. I won't add anymore violations to that.
2006-09-25 19:57:13
596.   Gagne55
Looper better not give up A RUN, OR I'll have to rewrite this poem.
2006-09-25 19:58:43
597.   overkill94
593 But what if a Save Situation (TM) arises tomorrow? What will they do?!?!
2006-09-25 19:58:45
598.   xaphor
595. I think it was in violation of rule 6. :)
2006-09-25 19:58:47
599.   Gagne55
Russell Branyan can tun this into a 9-5 game quickly. don't throw a fat one, Looper.
2006-09-25 19:59:42
600.   Gagne55
Guess nobody else is watching the Pads on gameday...
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2006-09-25 20:01:13
601.   oswald
no, i'm watching it.
2006-09-25 20:01:54
602.   underdog
Sorry to bring football into this for a second, but is there a more boring pair of announcing sidekicks than Theismann and Kornheiser. If you suffer from insomnia, pop in a tape of one of their broadcasts.

But in better news - my fantasy team started the night 21 points down with the Saints kicker and the receiver Colston - who now have 17 pts. If Carney kicks another 40 or 50 yarder or if Colston scores a TD (unlikely).

Also: Vick is so erratic as a QB.

2006-09-25 20:02:04
603.   Terry A
Wow. Chris Duncan for ROY?
2006-09-25 20:02:19
604.   overkill94
600 I'm using the more RAM-friendly Yahoo box score. It may not be pretty, but it gets the job done.
2006-09-25 20:02:47
605.   scareduck
And that, my friends, is what you call a miracle. Linebrink singles, and the Pads run into the third out at the plate. 6-5 Padres.
2006-09-25 20:03:27
606.   scareduck
600 - watching on Extra Innings.
2006-09-25 20:03:53
607.   overkill94
I guess Old Man Hoffman needs a rest tonight. Linebrink hasn't quite been his lights-out self this year, hopefully this bottom of the 9th will be nice and fruitful.
2006-09-25 20:03:53
608.   Sam DC
Sorry, huh, Scott Linebrink batted with RISP, and got a hit, and then the lead runner got thrown out at home?

Sure, just what I expected.

2006-09-25 20:04:05
609.   gpellamjr
603 I've been surprised nobody's been talking about it (that I've heard, anyway). He seems awesome every time I see him. Is it a limited playing time thing?
2006-09-25 20:05:07
610.   Terry A
And not just ANY lead runner. It was Dave Roberts.
2006-09-25 20:06:05
611.   Bob Timmermann
Ryan Zimmerman has all those shiny RBI.
2006-09-25 20:06:26
612.   bhsportsguy
I am sure that the Twins have joined the Marlins and the Astros as being more than 10 games out of a playoff spot in recent years and then win at least the wild card.
2006-09-25 20:06:34
613.   gpellamjr
Miles singles!
2006-09-25 20:06:41
614.   underdog
And now that I've turned off MNF and turned on the Cards Pads game with the Cards announcers on MLBTV, they are tied for second with the MNF announcers in the Dull Contest.
2006-09-25 20:06:54
615.   Terry A
The Cardinal announcers are hoping to jinx Linebrink by constantly yammering about the Padre bullpen implosion in the Four Homer Game the other night.

It works, so far. Miles with a leadoff single.

2006-09-25 20:07:23
616.   gpellamjr
No double plays and we will see Pujols (barring, of course, the Cards winning before Pujols comes up).
2006-09-25 20:07:25
617.   Sam DC
Allright, Miles on. Now no one swing until Pujols is up.
2006-09-25 20:07:26
618.   underdog
Let's go Mookie, Jr.!
2006-09-25 20:07:32
619.   oswald
aaron miles, you're my hero!
2006-09-25 20:07:41
620.   scareduck
I'm all in favor of come-from-behind victories. Preston Wilson has a leadoff single to start the 9th.
2006-09-25 20:08:24
621.   underdog
Um, yeah. Well done, Preston.
2006-09-25 20:08:44
622.   scareduck
Is it just me, or is Linebrink morphing into David Wells?
2006-09-25 20:08:51
623.   Bob Timmermann
620
The first person who has ever confused Aaron Miles with Preston Wilson.
2006-09-25 20:09:17
624.   Terry A
Wilson's strikeout was scary ugly. He doesn't get cheated! (And he has no strike zone judgment!)
2006-09-25 20:09:30
625.   scareduck
620 - oops, that's Aaron Miles.
2006-09-25 20:09:46
626.   Bob Timmermann
OK, Albert, this is your time. Sydney or the bush!
2006-09-25 20:10:15
627.   overkill94
Between Horn and Crumpler I need either 90 yards or 1 TD to pull off the win in one of my leagues. Now that I'm screwed in one of my other leagues, I wish I hadn't wished ill will on Crumpler earlier since I own him in this league.
2006-09-25 20:10:45
628.   underdog
Pujols is 5 for 9 vs. Linebrink with a HR in the past. But the past is of course the past.
2006-09-25 20:10:58
629.   bhsportsguy
Do you walk Albert Pujols?
2006-09-25 20:11:04
630.   scareduck
623 - I have no excuse.
2006-09-25 20:11:21
631.   overkill94
Do you go against every rule ever made and walk Pujols to get to Rolen?
2006-09-25 20:11:27
632.   Bob Timmermann
Past results do not guarantee future performance.

Your mileage may vary.

2006-09-25 20:11:49
633.   bhsportsguy
Hey, I am just happy we got the Astro win. A Cardinal win would be icing on the cake.
2006-09-25 20:12:23
634.   underdog
Cowards!

It's up to Rolen now.

2006-09-25 20:12:34
635.   bhsportsguy
3-0, quick Bob, what is Rolen's record againsst Linebrink?
2006-09-25 20:12:48
636.   Greg Brock
630 I once confused Miles Davis with Preston Sturgis.
2006-09-25 20:12:51
637.   Bob Timmermann
633
But does anyone like cake without icing?
2006-09-25 20:12:58
638.   Gen3Blue
I walk Poujous
2006-09-25 20:13:54
639.   natepurcell
joe theisman: "He must have seen something to take it out of his pants"

wow.

2006-09-25 20:13:55
640.   Terry A
In the dugout, Preston Wilson just swung at that 0-2 offering from Linebrink to Rolen.
2006-09-25 20:14:22
641.   Bob Timmermann
Rolen is now 0 for 4 in his career against Linebrink.
2006-09-25 20:14:47
642.   bhsportsguy
637 Depends on what kind of cake.
2006-09-25 20:15:29
643.   bhsportsguy
Mike Shannon sounds a little concerned about the Cardinals situation.
2006-09-25 20:15:57
644.   das411
So has TLR officially become the new Gene Mauch yet?
2006-09-25 20:16:10
645.   underdog
Rats.

636 Hah. "The Rebirth of the Miracle of Morgan's Creek" is one of my favorites.

2006-09-25 20:16:31
646.   Greg S
Well, one out of two ain't bad. If we can get that every night from here on out, we'd have a real chance.
2006-09-25 20:16:48
647.   Sam DC
590: I appreciate that you're trying, but I'm afraid to say I don't find the argument that this loss will incentivize SL to do better tomorrow much encouraging.
2006-09-25 20:16:48
648.   bhsportsguy
644 It's going to take a little more losing to equal 1964.
2006-09-25 20:16:53
649.   overkill94
So us going 4-2 and the Padres going 2-4 will do the trick from here on out. I think it's doable.
2006-09-25 20:17:55
650.   bhsportsguy
Has Preston Wilson batted leadoff in his career before tonight?
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2006-09-25 20:18:34
651.   Bob Timmermann
Dave Niehaus of the Mariners broadcast just said "The Dodgers and Phillies are in a virtual tie."

Well, actually they have the same record.

2006-09-25 20:18:51
652.   bhsportsguy
As someone said once, just win and then worry about the standings.
2006-09-25 20:19:03
653.   Terry A
650 - Quite a few times for the Cards this year, while Eckstein was on the DL.
2006-09-25 20:32:39
654.   Bob Timmermann
652
I believe Derek Jeter was quoted as saying that. But I'm sure others have.
2006-09-25 20:34:24
655.   Bob Timmermann
Prior to this year, Preston Wilson had been in the leadoff slot 6 times. Let me see how many times he started as a leadoff hitter.
2006-09-25 20:34:44
656.   Benaiah
So we are basically 3 games back in the division with 6 to play. Probably gonna have to focus on the wild card, that said... Go Cards (and Nationals/Marlins)!
2006-09-25 20:35:37
657.   Sam DC
I mentioned this early this morning, but the Nationals losing Nick Johnson with the Phillies coming to town really is a significant blow to the Dodgers. He has been the anchor of the Nats' offense all year, getting on base at a tremendous clip and with a .948 OPS. Also, Austin Kearns has not played since the collision and has been reported to be quite shaken up.
2006-09-25 20:35:47
658.   Terry A
Anybody seen Steve lately? I can't recall the last time I read one of his comments.
2006-09-25 20:36:43
659.   Sam DC
Also, the Nationals on tonight 7-3, so what's wrong with this sentence from the mlb.com wrap: "A three-run double by Ryan Zimmerman in the third provided the bulk of the offense."
2006-09-25 20:37:06
660.   Bob Timmermann
657
I have faith in Robert Fick!
2006-09-25 20:40:57
661.   Sam DC
659: "on" = "won"
2006-09-25 20:41:03
662.   das411
Steve is waiting for about 4 more comments...
2006-09-25 20:43:34
663.   Bob Timmermann
I have faith in Roman Ortiz. I have in the managerial brilliance of Frank Robinson.

The Nats want to win their Metro Area battle don't they? They're only up by one game.

Granted the Orioles are going to be in New York and are sending Hayden Penn to meet his doom.

2006-09-25 20:43:55
664.   Sam DC
So, former Dodgers farmhand Beltran Perez has had a nice Nationals debut. Just a couple of starts, of course.
2006-09-25 20:49:39
665.   Xeifrank
Overall, not a bad night for our playoff chances. Perhaps Jon should just leave the "Nomar Encore" up there until the Dodgers lose again. Maybe the "Nomar Encore" headline gets us into the playoffs. :)
vr, Xei
2006-09-25 20:50:02
666.   Daniel Zappala
The Angels have rediscovered winning and are trying to hang with the A's. Problem is, the A's are playing Seattle, whom they have beaten every single game they've played this year. Talk about futility.
2006-09-25 20:51:14
667.   Daniel Zappala
Yay, I get the comment of the beast.
2006-09-25 20:51:27
668.   Sam DC
NY Times has an article about a 110 year old fellow who played in the Negro Leagues or on pre-Negro League teams. Pretty interesting stuff.

http://tinyurl.com/jxvk9

He attended a Devil Rays game this year.

2006-09-25 20:52:00
669.   Sam DC
Hey -- he played on the Homestead Greys!
2006-09-25 20:52:52
670.   Bob Timmermann
I probably should have spelled Ramon Ortiz's first name correctly.

Also, the Mariners have beaten the A's once this year. It was the first time they played back on April 6.

2006-09-25 20:54:06
671.   Uncle Miltie
663- The Roman Ortiz? He must be a real warrior. Just kidding Bob.

Ortiz has been awful this year, mostly in the past 2 months of the season. He's walking way too many guys and as always, is prone to the long ball. If Frank Robinson played Ryan Church over Nook Logan, he'd be giving the Nationals a better chance of winning.

2006-09-25 20:55:53
672.   Bob Timmermann
Can I have faith in Pedro Astacio then?
2006-09-25 20:59:53
673.   Sam DC
671 But Ortiz took a no hitter into the ninth. Against the Cardinals. I was there.

We'll always have Memorial Day!

Church played right tonight for Kearns. He batted eighth. Behind Logan.

2006-09-25 21:00:47
674.   Sam DC
672 You can. He of the Griddleworthy complete game.
2006-09-25 21:01:54
675.   Daniel Zappala
The ERAs for the pitchers Seattle is sending to face the A's tonight: 14.73, 12.60, 18.00.
2006-09-25 21:05:32
676.   Bob Timmermann
675
That's Orioles like.
2006-09-25 21:09:28
677.   JoeyP
With the Padres owning the tiebreaker, in essence a 3 game lead with 6 to play is almost a lock for them winning the division.

That leaves the WC.

2006-09-25 21:10:52
678.   Xeifrank
677. Unless it's a three way tie between the Padres, Dodgers and Phillies. Right?
vr, Xei
2006-09-25 21:10:59
679.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers best chance of winning the division may be a 3-way tie with the Phillies and then winning the tiebreaker playoff.
2006-09-25 21:11:41
680.   Bob Timmermann
678
Great minds...
2006-09-25 21:12:06
681.   Xeifrank
679. wow, 7 seconds. That's service!
vr, Xei
2006-09-25 21:13:30
682.   Xeifrank
680. Great minds? Not sure where I come into that equation. Now if it were great mines!
vr, Xei
2006-09-25 21:14:24
683.   JoeyP
http://tinyurl.com/gtz3d

Chris Simms is one tough dude.
How many players have ever played with a ruptured spleen and were gasping for air between plays?

Unreal.

2006-09-25 21:18:06
684.   Bob Timmermann
I worked with a guy who had a football injury in his high school that required his spleen to be removed. He got a call at the hospital to cheer him up from Rick Reichardt!

He said it hurt a lot.

2006-09-25 21:21:13
685.   natepurcell
goldstein talking about the disappointing performances of most of the 1st round prep pitchers from 2006:

This group is the only disappointment so far, but there are two mitigating factors. First off, Clayton Kershaw, according to those who have seen him, has enough potential to makes up for any failures otherwise.

2006-09-25 21:31:13
686.   Daniel Zappala
Alert! The Mariners have the tying run at the plate!

.... Oh, never mind.

2006-09-25 21:39:58
687.   Bob Timmermann
If the DBacks could stop scoring and end the game, I could make my next post on the Griddle.

The Giants pitchers can't get anybody out. AT&T Park looks like Stade Olympique.

2006-09-25 21:41:52
688.   Daniel Zappala
The A's will not clinch tonight.
2006-09-25 21:45:13
689.   underdog
I wish the Giants could save some of that for the weekend series. If I knew in advance it would be like that I'd even consider braving it and getting a ticket to one of those games. But I know SF will get up for the possibility of knocking the Dodgers out, and that combined with my fear of jinxing might not be as favorable.
2006-09-25 22:11:53
690.   Jon Weisman
Miss me? Good to see Dodger Thoughts runs itself.

Oakland 9, Seattle 9, Inning 9. Amazing.

2006-09-25 22:12:36
691.   Uncle Miltie
Just got back from the gym and just as I walk in the door, I see Huston Street give up the tying run. Was anyone else watching this game? What happened?
2006-09-25 22:12:58
692.   Daniel Zappala
Greg Dobbs is my new favorite player. Oh for some pitching from the Mariners tonight!
2006-09-25 22:17:49
693.   sanchez101
690. Thanks for ... I guess every thing, or at least this site :)
2006-09-25 22:18:05
694.   Daniel Zappala
692 Despite having DirecTV, I was busy with other stuff. Just watched through Yahoo and Street gave up tons of hits in the 9th, 3 runs. Mariners needed one more hit but couldn't get it. Extra innings.
2006-09-25 22:22:38
695.   bhsportsguy
690 If your absence guarantees gaining ground, maybe you should stay away more often.

But I believe that as much as a certain young actress as a network executive but then I digress, maybe if there was tv site.

2006-09-25 22:25:03
696.   Jon Weisman
20 hits now for Seattle.

Street gave up three runs and five hits on 19 pitches.

2006-09-25 22:30:25
697.   godvls
Have you read "In the Shadow of the Senators"?
2006-09-25 22:33:33
698.   underdog
As well done as it is, does anyone else find that new ad with Audrey Hepburn dancing for... the Gap instead of Breakfast at Tiffany's?

okay, now back to Studio 60.

2006-09-25 22:34:25
699.   underdog
... offensive, I meant to say at the end of that sentence, "do you find it offensive?"

Sigh.

2006-09-25 22:34:40
700.   Jon Weisman
Is this a setup?!

https://screenjam.baseballtoaster.com/archives/505852.html

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2006-09-25 22:36:19
701.   gibsonhobbs88
677 - Yes. Since the Padres seem top be on a roll and have lost only 1 game since the "Monday Miracle at Chavez", I think our best chance is the wild card. If the Cards don't sin a couple games soon, the Astros could catch them, 2.5 out. Are the Cards headed for a monumental collapse? Carpenter better have his A game tomorrow!
Wow! that was some 9th inning comeback to tie by the Mariners. Huston Street blows his 2nd save recently including the Friday game the Angels tied but later lost in 12.
2006-09-25 22:38:26
702.   gibsonhobbs88
701 - I meant "win" and not "sin". Boy, is that a Freudian slip or what? Cardinals don't sin, that was inadvertently funny!
2006-09-25 22:40:01
703.   Jon Weisman
Hit No. 21 - Black Jack.
2006-09-25 22:43:31
704.   gibsonhobbs88
Wow, the Mariners finally beat the A's, maybe there is hope for the Angels to make that 4 game series interesting yet. The Angels would still have to win the next two days against Texas and hope the A's lose one more to make a 4 game deficit with 4 to play. Stranger things have happened. Cards and A's trying to avoid a '64 Phillies collapse.
2006-09-25 22:51:39
705.   underdog
700 Hah. Jon, weird, unintentional set-up. I was just watching it for the 3rd or 4th time during Studio 60 and finally couldn't take it anymore. Not surprised I'm not the only one.

I always feel that way when I see deceased actors brought back to life against their will to advertise some crap on TV. It's just... wrong.

2006-09-25 23:03:47
706.   Linkmeister
Completely off-topic, but for the Star Trek fans, John M. Ford, who wrote "How Much for Just the Planet" has died. It was pretty much the only pure comedy among all the Star Trek novels.

Here's a post from one of his friends, with links to a zillion other tributes.

http://tinyurl.com/mkoh4

2006-09-25 23:10:30
707.   Frip
65

Jon, I was harsh. I'm sorry.

2006-09-26 05:43:35
708.   Daniel Zappala
702 Actually, cardinals can and do sin. See the persecution of Gallileo and other numerous examples. By the way, I highly recommend "Gallileo's Daughter". Great book.
2006-09-26 05:59:08
709.   xaphor
Finally, a fantasy league for those who value chemistry over statistics:

http://www.scientific.thomson.com/nobel/

2006-09-26 06:45:19
710.   Sam DC
So, the charter train carrying the Nationals back from NYC derailed in Wilmington Delaware overnight. No one was hurt, but the team does appear to have been awake all night dealing with getting a new train and such.

http://tinyurl.com/onqcq

Meanwhile, two memories are haunting me as I try and imagine the Nats giving the Dodgers a little help this week. (1) the Nationals have lost 67382 out of 67385 to the Padres the last two years, so they're not natural Dodger-helpers, and (2) the Phillies came to RFK for the last series of 2005 needing to win out to have a chance out catching Houston. The Nats made some noises about fighting back "for pride", and also about shutting down Rollins' hit streak, but they rolled over and swept. (Houston won their way into the WC on the last or maybe penultimate game of the season).

Alas.

2006-09-26 07:20:03
711.   Sam DC
Needless to say, this news both supports and undermines Delaware's claim to actually be a state.

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